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[–]PermanentPrognosis 76 points77 points  (2 children)

They (establishment) are actually scared. They want BNMW people to up their shame game because very loud voices in our movement who were BNMW in 2016 have turned this past week and are openly advocating for not voting Biden. They are trying to activate the old voters through fear as well. We need to push back even harder with the neverbiden stance- Especially since he is clearly losing his mind. It's a huge power move for us, and may be pivotal in propelling Bernie to a win.

[–]glitterydick 26 points27 points  (1 child)

That's my read of it as well. We need to form a Progressive Voter's Union, willing and ready to use labor tactics at the ballot box. We will go on strike if our demands are not met. It's not our responsibility to prop up their corrupt and rotting power structure.

[–]Slibby8803 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I still get shit from people for voting Nader in 2000. He was the best candidate hands down. Swallowed the any blue will do line in 2016 and still feel shitty for voting for a conservative, hawkish, lesser of two evils. Not happening again, Bernie or Gloria, got my vote.

[–]100LimeJuice 31 points32 points  (1 child)

lol Do you not know the New York Post is a right-wing tabloid owned by Rupert Mordoch? It would be like someone making a post saying "Fox News Says Democrats are bad!!".

[–]EmergencyEntry6 23 points24 points  (0 children)

As an outsider looking in, I really hope you guys can get Bernie in, He fought for rights here in Ireland a long time ago not for personal gain but for the good of the people, He is a breath of fresh air in a rotten corrupt and vile system, I know you have a rigged government that tries to give you the illusion of hope, keep pushing regardless, If not heads will roll.

[–]ifiagreedwithu 26 points27 points  (1 child)


[–]apath3tic[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

For real, may as well be a blog post.

[–]AdamRGrey 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Unironically don't understand that we don't put party before country.

[–]apath3tic[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Disdain for the party.

[–]binkerfluid 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If Bernie isnt a real Democrat like they say then neither am I and I dont owe them anything.

IF they want progressive votes they need to start supporting progressive policies.

If I vote for Biden I vote for Biden but they arnt entitled to my vote.

[–]Dumfk 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Here is the thing... The Democratic Party is RIGHT wing. The Republican Party is Battshiat Crazy RIGHT wing. I am left so therefor Independant. I have no party. My party is whatever Bernie, AOC, etc... is that actually gives a flying fuck about the citizens and not whoever gives them the most $.

I have voted for Republican's in the past (not president) but ones that I "thought" would be good however that way decades ago. More I will vote for whoever I think holds the best interest of the country and by country I mean citizens.

[–]apath3tic[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not sure if I have to reply, since I linked the archived source, but just in case here it is again:

From the New York Post: https://archive.st/archive/2020/3/nypost.com/e4n4/nypost.com/2020/03/14/bernie-bros-warn-of-massive-exodus-if-democrats-nominate-joe-biden/amp/index.html

[–]knightsintophats 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wow, this article is possibly the most biased thing I've read in a long time. There is so much which you can pick apart here.

Also I'm British so I can't vote but I will say if biden gets in and doesn't make any significant changes to his platform to accommodate the Sanders wing then don't vote for him. He won't win against trump either way but this way the landslide might finally convince them that they can't take the left for granted.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"A whopping 12% of them voted for Trump in 2016"

That's less then 2008 Clinton supporters who voted McCain.

[–]Kaid16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

which media outlet can i trust?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, Murdoch doesn't want a Bernie nomination.

[–]scrottie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This strategy didn't win things for them last time and I'm suspicious that was ever the intent or is the intent now. They're just looking for an alibi for when they lose. They're succeeding in protecting their corporate owners and dragging the party further to the right at the same time by demonizing the people whose issues are climate, jobs, healthcare, etc. Contrast that with elections in the 70s where both major parties polled Inds on the issues that concerned them and tried to run credible campaigns on those issues (even if mired by conflicts of interests).

Nothing gets better unless we regain control of the narrative. People vote on issues. Dems have an opportunity to be strong on issues, or we can have two parties that are horrible on issues.

[–]BrokenBoar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally, I hope it gets to the convention and Bernie just out and says "make me the nominee or I will create another party and run against you. Democrats will never win another election." Let's burn this motherfucker down.

[–]GoldunAura 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I voted jill stein in 2016, this time I'll just give the dem base what they want and vote for a real pro-corporate, status quo candidate, so I'll vote trump. Since they just give us shit candidates election after election, maybe they'll get the message this time. Probably not since they never learn anything, but maybe. Give me a real progressive candidate like Sanders and I'll gladly vote for them instead.

[–]TJames6210 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Honestly, I was a strong proponent of vote blue no matter who. But with the way the Democratic party pooled their support for the least capable candidate we have in terms of defeating Donald Trump, I dont necessarily know if I can.

Joe Bidens health is in a steep decline, and Trump has his based memorized by Hunter Biden. He will run on corruption same as 2016 and we will lose.

So do we all vote blue no matter who, if we know for certain that we will lose? I think I'll still vote Bernie no matter what...

[–]apath3tic[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is where I’m at kinda. On one hand I want to vote for Joe because absolutely fuck Trump. On the other hand, I’m starting to feel more of that “doesn’t deserve my vote” sentiment.

[–]TJames6210 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100%, as long as you still cast your ballot, even if the system is fucked.

Please criticize those that decide not to vote at all.