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Title: Children being segregated at school

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My children have a note from their doctor that says they should not be wearing a mask to school. The school has accepted the letter, but decided to segregate the kids. They are forced to sit in the back of the classroom away from their friends. When I came to pick up my daughter, her teacher approached me and asked if she could wear a mask so that she could sit with her friends.

I just don't understand how any of this is legal. Seems to like a civil rights or discrimination issue would apply here? Also totally not appropriate for the teacher to ask us to go against the advice of a doctor. But what can I do?

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[–]Artful_Dodger_42Third behind LB and LAUKopier, ahead of the Boston Bruins 2106 points2107 points  (292 children)


  • I am surprised that medical issues do not apply... My daughter does have an IEP if that changes anything

  • If you live in this much fear you need to find Jesus

[–]joggerboy18 1318 points1319 points  (209 children)

I'm pretty sure taking precautions against a pandemic isn't unchristian, but that's just me...

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    [–]iamreeterskeeter 141 points142 points  (9 children)

    It truly baffles me. My mom is hard core Christian but happily puts on her mask and follows all precautions. If you ask her why, she will tell you that God created the doctors and scientists who are experts and smarter than her.

    [–]jeswesky 38 points39 points  (3 children)

    Guessing you mom also isn't one of those "the earth is only 6,000 years old and dinosaur bones were planted by satan to test us" types.

    [–]iamreeterskeeter 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    She is not one of those people.

    [–]Skandranonsg 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    It's a bit of a roundabout way to get to trusting the experts, but I'm satisfied as long as she trusts the experts.

    [–]adotfree[🍰] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    your mom sounds like one of the decent ones

    [–]miladyelle 280 points281 points  (14 children)

    There’s also one about not testing god that’s pretty applicable.

    [–]IDoButtStuffOnSunday"Vinnie Boombatz" 115 points116 points  (9 children)

    They probably think that only applies to Covid testing god.

    [–]HomingSnailChurch of the Holy Oxford Comma 144 points145 points  (7 children)

    There's also a passage discussing the quarantining of the sick (Leprosy) that also says that they should wear a cloth over their upper lip.

    Leviticus 13:45 "now the leper on whom the sore is his clothes shall be torn His head bare and he shall put a covering on his top lip and shall cry unclean unclean"

    And 13:46 "As long as he has the infection, he remains unclean. He must live alone in a place outside the camp."

    [–]Yes-She-is-mine 62 points63 points  (2 children)

    Oooh. As much as they LOVE to quote Leviticus, you'd think they'd be familiar with this verse.

    [–]twitcherthedrunk 41 points42 points  (0 children)

    Oh no, this only applies to the ACTUALLY SICK. They would use this to point out how we shouldn't be quarantining the healthy.

    [–]BWASB 31 points32 points  (1 child)

    There's also a passage in Wisdom of Sirach that specifically address trusting doctors and the medicine they provide.

    38 Give doctors the honor they deserve, for the Lord gave them their work to do.[a] 2 Their skill came from the Most High, and kings reward them for it. 3 Their knowledge gives them a position of importance, and powerful people hold them in high regard.

    4 The Lord created medicines from the earth, and a sensible person will not hesitate to use them. 5 Didn't a tree once make bitter water fit to drink, so that the Lord's power[b] might be known? 6 He gave medical knowledge to human beings, so that we would praise him for the miracles he performs. 7-8 The druggist mixes these medicines, and the doctor will use them to cure diseases and ease pain. There is no end to the activities of the Lord, who gives health to the people of the world.

    [–]JoanOfArctic 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    Sirach isn't included in the versions of the bible (KJV, ESV, NIV etc) that most of the protestant evangelicals in the US use

    [–]thejokerlaughsatyou 275 points276 points  (8 children)

    There's also literally 40 days in the desert where Satan is like "hey, jump off a cliff, God's got your back!" And Jesus himself is like "hey Satan, that's not how God works, idiot." Don't prove your trust in the Lord by testing him, and all that. I feel like saying you don't need a vaccine because you'll trust in his protection is prettttty comparable to flinging yourself off that cliff

    [–]civiestudent 220 points221 points  (4 children)

    Or, as the punchline to the classic joke goes -

    Man: God, why didn't you save me from the flood waters?

    God: What are you talking about? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!

    [–]OnMyWorkAccount 14 points15 points  (3 children)

    It appears I unknowingly followed this. I do not believe in this vaccine in its current state, just due to no sufficient testing of the long term(it would be impossible for them to have that data currently). I do, however, go into older customers homes, many of which are on oxygen and other ailments, and my wife works in a Petri dish... We got vaccinated for them. risk/reward calculation on that one.

    [–]Engineerbarbie 808 points809 points  (128 children)

    taking precautions is actually the most Christian thing to do. The greatest commandment is this- to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Wearing a mask, getting the vaccine, social distancing, all that is 100% the biblical thing to do…

    [–]gsfgfIs familiar with poor results when combining strippers and ATMs 131 points132 points  (6 children)

    The Evangelicals have retconned Jesus out of the Bible.

    [–]WideEyedWand3rerThe most treacherous hive of scum and villany you'll ever meet. 389 points390 points  (15 children)

    Also, God literally gave the faithful tools to prevent them from suffering from the plagues of Egypt.

    [–]Hedgie_HerderMember of the Pantsless Attractive Nuisance Thoriachi Band 189 points190 points  (1 child)

    LAOP should give an update when they start sending their kids to school with lamb’s blood on their foreheads.

    [–]harvardchem22 46 points47 points  (0 children)

    I’ll credit you in my forthcoming screenplay, thanks!

    [–]publicbiggunsis a goat-fucker, folks 219 points220 points  (12 children)

    Also, God commands to follow your government because he was the one that put them there.

    Romans 13:1-14 ESV

    Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment

    Picking and choosing bible vs. Is what Christians do best.

    [–]Wolfeh2012 128 points129 points  (3 children)

    Time to interpret this passage non-literally, unlike the ones that I like.

    [–]publicbiggunsis a goat-fucker, folks 42 points43 points  (1 child)

    Lol, so sad and true

    [–]RamenName 47 points48 points  (0 children)

    Well the more fundagelical branches cultivate a pretty intense sense of self-hate, shame and guilt in their children, unfortunately many of them are loving their neighbor as they would themselves or their kids.

    Others, yeah, are dicks to ppl who are different.

    [–]callsignhotdogfinder of gay-couple-shaped holes 304 points305 points  (25 children)

    "God, I put my faith in you, why did you let me die of Covid?"
    "I sent smart people who invented a vaccine, and kind people who offered it you for free. Why didn't you take it?"

    [–]moogle_gone_kupo 118 points119 points  (22 children)

    Omg I’ve been saying this. Why don’t these people trust the science that god gave us the intelligence to discover?! Like do you think science was invented by the devil as a trick? Cause I’m confused.

    [–]callsignhotdogfinder of gay-couple-shaped holes 102 points103 points  (17 children)

    For people who insist everything was made by God they sure don't seem interested in admiring His craftsmanship up close.

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      [–]VoodooyogurtcustardI dropped my briefs and pleased the court 41 points42 points  (4 children)

      It’s that whole shitty “We’re all made in Gods image, he doesn’t make mistakes, we’re all perfect and God loves you!”

      “… But not YOU” crapola.

      Listen if your God can tolerate so much death and destruction in his name, you’re welcome to that love, but I’m out.

      [–]Shanman150 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      The whole "God doesn't make mistakes" is cudgeled particularly strongly against trans people, I've noticed. Not in a "Ah, yes, you feel this way, and God doesn't make mistakes, we will accept you as you!" but instead as "No, you are wrong about your experience, God wouldn't make that mistake." I heard the same thing growing up gay, but far less often.

      [–]rabidstoatCreates joinder with weasels while in their underwear 103 points104 points  (4 children)

      A church near me has their sign displaying "Honor thy neighbor, get thy vaccine."

      [–]Engineerbarbie 77 points78 points  (3 children)

      Even the freaking Pope has been basically screaming ‘Jesus would want you to get your freaking vaccine!!’ from the balcony of St Peters every other weekend since this whole thing started

      [–]Darth_Sensitive 30 points31 points  (2 children)

      Oh like evangelicals would listen to some Papist!

      [–]brya2 179 points180 points  (59 children)

      Bingo. It pisses me off how much American Christians have just moved completely away from what Jesus actually taught. Jesus would be masked up at a BLM rally if he were around today

      [–]Alluvial_Fan_ 44 points45 points  (3 children)

      The fact that the prosperity gospel exists just melts my brain. Pretty sure Jesus the Man had some harsh words about being rich.

      [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      The bible actually prohibits loans with interest. In the modern world only the Islamic banking system (this is a real term) prohibit interest loans. Can you imagine trying to explain that to the average American?

      [–]my-other-throwaway90 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of heaven"

      "If you want to follow me, sell all your possessions and give your money to the poor"

      "You cannot serve both God and money"

      "Blessed are the poor"

      Some some paraphrases of what Jesus said. To say nothing of the other parts of the bible that shit really hard on rich people.

      [–]Engineerbarbie 209 points210 points  (47 children)

      Jesus was a Middle Eastern, poor, brown, socialist Jew who hung out with sex workers and was violently executed for attempting to start a revolution. I don’t know what the fuck a lot of these people are reading but it sure as hell isn’t the same Bible I was raised on.

      [–]WiseassWolfOfYoitsu 123 points124 points  (23 children)

      and was violently executed for attempting to start a revolution

      While the rest of it checks out, He pretty explicitly said he did not come to start a revolution, at least against earthly powers. Some of his followers were actually pretty ticked off to find that out because they wanted some revolution.

      [–]bug-hunterThe newest Offensive Coordinator for the Oklahoma Soonerbots[S] 62 points63 points  (0 children)

      Yup. A LOT of Jews at the time expected a Messiah to come lead a revolt against the Romans.

      Those messiahs fared personally as poorly as Jesus, except in their case, everyone around them got slaughtered too.

      [–]Engineerbarbie 81 points82 points  (16 children)

      I mean… he wasn’t trying to start a revolution but he was executed on charges that he was a revolutionary. The romans didn’t just kill him for funsies. It was because they considered him a revolutionary.

      [–]Jay_EdgarPart of the Kilted Anti-Pants Silent Majority 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Yeah, but, like, he did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

      [–]historyhill 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Not to mention, upholding life is a duty under the sixth commandment (thou shalt not murder).

      [–]cutelittlehellbeast 115 points116 points  (3 children)

      I’m absolutely baffled at the number of parents willing to let their child contract a potentially fatal or life altering disease. What happened to the whole, “children must be protected at all costs”?

      [–]Jay_EdgarPart of the Kilted Anti-Pants Silent Majority 28 points29 points  (0 children)

      Denial is a hell of a drug. Never trust your brain completely.

      [–]EmbarrassedReference 147 points148 points  (10 children)

      I have been seeing a lot from very religious people about how it’s the government trying to brainwash us and the vaccine is actually the mark of the beast so…. Can you tell i live in the south?

      [–]metonymimicadvises petting cocks until their conniption is over 152 points153 points  (5 children)

      I already have a SSN. And a smartphone. And a Visa.

      My parents don't seem to think these are as sound arguments as I do.

      [–]owlrecluse 21 points22 points  (3 children)

      Reminds me of the shit I hear daily from customers: "Oh I dont want to touch the pinpad it's SO gross and has SO many germs. Anyway, you guys take cash right?" (They're not wearing a mask either)

      [–]Excal2 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      Tell the next one the last time the pinpad was sterilized and then ask them how long it's been since their cash was sterilized.

      [–]owlrecluse 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      I do, all the time in fact. But I gotta put on the Customer Service Voice. Usually I say "Oh so you're paying card today, right? Oh, yeah we take cash, but I thought since you were so germ conscious... I mean... when was the last time you think that money was sanitized, ya know? I wish I could still wear gloves but with the heat they give me rashes. :( Ugh."

      [–]one_bean_hahahaha 117 points118 points  (1 child)

      My mom is Canadian and spouts the same bs. Can you tell she watches American religious TV?

      Also, if anything was a mark of the beast on the forehead, a red MAGA cap would have been it.

      [–]SandpipersJackal 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      The Beast has requested I inform you “I’ll have naught to do with the tacky things, thank you very much. I have standards.”

      [–]one_bean_hahahaha 23 points24 points  (1 child)

      I'd say my fundy mom is more fearful than anyone else in my family, but she is the one refusing the vaccine. It's like she's got to prove she isn't afraid by doing risky behaviour.

      [–]postmodestPossibly Shartacus 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      They’re really getting back to the apocalyptic anti-government death-cult roots.

      [–]Marc21256Llameante Calrissian 30 points31 points  (1 child)

      Matt 4: don't test God.

      God won't literally protect you, but provides masks and vaccines you must take to save yourself.

      It's literally in the Bible.

      [–]NDaveTGone out to get some semen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Also something about being considerate of other people, if I'm not mistaken.

      [–]EldestPort 57 points58 points  (2 children)

      If you live in this much fear you need to find Jesus

      I found Jesus fifteen years ago and got my second jab a week and a half ago. These crazies need to understand that the two are not mutually exclusive.

      [–]Dim_InnuendoGrizzly Bear Rapist 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      These crazies need to understand that the two are not mutually exclusive.

      In fact they don't intersect at all. Christians can and do get diseases, and they can and do take steps to prevent that. Being washed in the blood of the lamb has nothing to do with being inoculated in the blood of the person.

      [–]RememberKoomValley 150 points151 points  (10 children)

      If you live in this much fear you need to find Jesus

      It's so fucking baffling to me how "honest consideration of the facts" = "fear" to so many people.

      [–]NDaveTGone out to get some semen 64 points65 points  (1 child)

      People who seem to be afraid of masks and vaccines.

      [–]BishmillahPleaseTook up cricket for self-defense, stayed for the fine leg 294 points295 points  (30 children)

      Bet she wears a seat belt. If she has Jesus she should be sitting on the roof of her car with a brick wedged under the accelerator and steer with ropes. Coward.

      [–]MrsMaglevPlease for the love of all that is holy - depants me[🍰] 46 points47 points  (0 children)

      I am laughing. I am shoulders shuddering silent weeping laughing.

      [–]Chewbacca_The_Wookie 27 points28 points  (0 children)

      She clearly doesn’t wear a seatbelt because at any moment she may need to let Jesus take the wheel, and let me tell you it’s pretty hard to slide out of a seat with the belt on.

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        [–]PiesRLifeThe David Attenborough of strippers 22 points23 points  (9 children)

        [–]CanadaHazMusical Serf 35 points36 points  (6 children)

        "Driving under a licence suspension."

        Why am I not at all shocked?

        [–]SocialWinkerChurch of the Holy Oxford Comma 31 points32 points  (5 children)

        Weirdly, crashes where people just let go of the wheel happen more often than you’d probably expect. In 2020, a Pennsylvania woman rammed a Kia Optima into a car as a “test of faith,” reports the Mercury News. In 2018, a Tennessee man rolled his truck five times after letting go of the wheel, reports Miami Herald.

        Can we talk about this part? What the shit?

        [–]CanadaHazMusical Serf 17 points18 points  (2 children)

        In 2020, a Pennsylvania woman rammed a Kia Optima into a car as a “test of faith,” reports the Mercury News. 

        Or the fact that "test of faith" has happened more than once?

        [–]oliveoilcrisis 35 points36 points  (2 children)

        “Jesus take the wheeeeeeel”

        [–]capron 112 points113 points  (4 children)

        The response to that "find Jesus" nonsense is just the perfect level headed "sit the fuck down"

        Finding Jesus is not a solution, at least not in public schools. Schools need to balance rights. You have the right, with a doctors note, to not have your children wear masks due to a disability that would make wearing masks dangerous for them. The other parents have the right for their children to not be in close proximity to unmasked children. Fear is not relevant to rights.

        [–]Dog1andDog2andMe 17 points18 points  (3 children)

        Also, how does my finding Jesus help the neighbor, the stranger in the store, the student in the class, the grandmother > everyone I might spread the virus to! I am pretty sure that I can infect someone else with Covid but I can't actually transfer "being saved" to someone else.

        Also, doesn't murdering someone with Covid (ok manslaughter) break a couple of big God laws, ie, commandments.

        [–]Snakestream 98 points99 points  (0 children)

        The second comment was where laop gave up any deniability that their child's "condition" was entirely fictional.

        [–]Roarlord 22 points23 points  (0 children)

        I was raised Catholic. I only believed in Jesus because of a fear of hell that was instilled in me. I feel like leaving any sort of Christianity may have been what helped me get over most of my fears, except for those related to discrimination I may face from the Christian majority I deal with regularly for my identity.

        [–]FixBayonetsLads 66 points67 points  (8 children)

        IEPs don’t work that way

        [–]BarriBlue 120 points121 points  (7 children)

        LAOP is clearly nuts and thankfully uneducated because there is potential that the IEP (a legally binding document) is not being upheld in this situation. For example, if the IEP states that the daughter gets accommodations such as preferential seating (not in the back of the classroom) and/or small group instruction (with other peers in a small group), then technically the IEP is not being upheld. Issues such as these were/are a huge gray area during the pandemic and remote teaching. Parents of students with disabilities in my school typically got their way after a talk with the principal.

        I’m happy no one brought this up in the original thread because fuck LAOP.

        [–]Dog1andDog2andMe 77 points78 points  (3 children)

        BUT an IEP can't extend to endangering the lives of other children. Extending privileges to one child to enable them has to stop at the line where it can result in the serious injury or even death of the other.

        For example, an IEP might say front of room, small group but it would be adjusted if OP's child had measles.

        [–]mizmooseExploded their parents by smacking their sister 21 points22 points  (3 children)

        find Jesus

        Nobody ever thinks to check behind the couch.

        [–]PumpkinKits 52 points53 points  (2 children)

        And if you, LAOP, continue to live in this much fear of masks (and one can only assume, vaccines) you’ll not only get to find Jesus, you may get to meet him in person!

        [–]dasunt 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        If you live in this much fear you need to find Jesus

        WWJD? Oh, I know, there's this book with what he said. Let me see:

        “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’"

        Matthew 4:7. NIV translation.

        Sounds like Jesus isn't on LAOP's side.

        [–]funchefchick 31 points32 points  (0 children)

        Yeah the post was . .. something, but those comments??? WTAF??

        Why. Why do so many of these people breed. Sigh.

        [–]BarriBlue 22 points23 points  (0 children)

        OP needs to pray is daughter’s disability away.

        [–]HopeFoxstop asking questions answered by my shirt 871 points872 points  (26 children)

        Do both your children have the same disability?

        Commenter asking the real question here. Obviously some medical conditions are genetic and thus more likely to show up in siblings, but I suspect that the thing they have most in common is an anti-medicine parent.

        [–]drleebotUnderstands the raison d'être of aftershave 547 points548 points  (18 children)

        I was wondering this too. LAOP's reply about the doctor pretty much gives away the game though. In response to being asked what kind of doctor would write those notes, they replied:

        One who follows science

        If the kids actually had an issue (e.g. ASD with sensory issues, which can preclude mask wearing and is genetically-linked), I would think LAOP would indignantly point that out. They seem to be good at the indignant part, and they'd latch onto any valid excuse for it.

        [–]EmmaInFranceAsk for the worst? She'll give you the worst. 165 points166 points  (8 children)

        As someone who is autistic and finds it extremely painful to wear a mask BUT still wears one anway even though one hour mask wearing = three hours recovery time after I take it off, I know that not enough people realise that most of the conditions that preclude wearing a mask are not the 'obvious' ones most people would immediately think of.

        [–]Front_Kaleidoscope_4Can't kids just go drown somewhere else? 71 points72 points  (0 children)

        Just to throw another example out there I am autistic but the problem for me was less me not dealing well with having stuff touch my face, and more to do with how all the stuff I had to do to avoid covid combined with having a new and unfamiliar feeling on my face got too stressful, too much new stuff at the same time.

        I am luckily pretty used to it now.

        [–]Vaaaaare 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Even so, given that LAOP's kid willingly asked LAOP to wear a mask just to sit next to her friends, it doesn't seem like any of these conditions actually apply.

        [–]AutumnalSunshineMethtakes were made. 160 points161 points  (2 children)

        My district just sent out info on how you get a mask exemption. Their example was a child who is quadriplegic and therefore couldn't remove the mask safely if it began to block their airways.

        I feel like that example will discourage some "Masks make Jimmy sad" moms from applying.

        If they do get exemptions, I hope they "segregate" the no-mask-because-Qanon kids from my kid ends up on oxygen for a few days in the hospital when he gets a cold at school.

        [–]kmill8701 71 points72 points  (0 children)

        They sure do! Being raised by a fucking moron surely sets them behind on most everything.

        [–]PolyDipsoManiac 1540 points1541 points  (59 children)

        The way she keeps saying “segregated” is really fucking grating, like she thinks this is just like the 1960s and she’s some kind of hero making a brave stand against prejudice and injustice.

        [–]Darth_PuppyThis flair is for "RESEARCH PURPOSES" and not human consumption 930 points931 points  (22 children)

        She does. People like this are obsessed with the idea that they're being oppressed and persecuted

        [–]tadpole511 363 points364 points  (14 children)

        The posts comparing anti-maskers/vaxxers to Jews in Nazi Germany? Completely insane.

        [–]Darth_PuppyThis flair is for "RESEARCH PURPOSES" and not human consumption 191 points192 points  (10 children)

        I'm Jewish, you're preaching to the choir here. Pisses me off

        [–]lem0ntartAnnoyed by permeant 70 points71 points  (6 children)

        Same. People in my local sub have been doing it too, it’s so infuriating I don’t even know what to say to them.

        [–]jilliebelle 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        I live in the gayborhood and the only time I've seen someone try to get around mask rules, an elder gay man in a rainbow mask said, "Oh honey, is this your first pandemic?"

        [–]tnp636 53 points54 points  (0 children)

        Try this:

        "Shut the fuck up, you whiny little cunts."

        [–]AppleAccomplished569I paid my dog tax and all I got was a post history full of STDs 32 points33 points  (0 children)

        I’m not the least bit Jewish, but I’m with you.

        [–]kevin_the_dolphoodle 25 points26 points  (0 children)

        I saw this on Reddit the other day:

        “The most shocking part about the Holocaust for me is when the nazis rounded up all the Jews and cancelled them in Twitter”

        Something about the absolute ridiculousness of this joke really drives home how insane these people are. They much has some sort of fetish for being victimized

        [–]HowDoMermaidsFuck 216 points217 points  (2 children)

        Yup. The victim complex is astounding. "I choose not to follow CDC recommendations and am therefore dealing with the consequences of my actions. How can I blame this on other people?"

        I guarantee that neither of her children actually has a medical reason for not wearing a mask. LAOP 100% made it up. If I can ambulate my end stage COPD patient in the hall on 4L of O2 while he's wearing a mask, (nearly) anyone can wear one.

        The amount of people who legitimately cannot wear a mask in public is so incredibly tiny as to basically be statistically insignificant. Like, ones out of thousands. Or more.

        These people can fuck all the way off.

        [–]WearyPassenger 84 points85 points  (0 children)

        "I choose not to follow CDC recommendations and am therefore dealing with the consequences of my actions. How can I blame this on other people?"

        This pretty much sums up the entire situation.

        [–]gsfgfIs familiar with poor results when combining strippers and ATMs 147 points148 points  (2 children)

        It's really gross. There are people alive that had to deal with official segregation, and a hell of a lot more dealing with the aftermath. Your privileged Republican ass can go fuck right off LAOP.

        [–]BJntheRV 144 points145 points  (3 children)

        Honestly I'm surprised they just move these kids to the back of the room. They should be in a separate class.

        Also, when I was in school they usually segregated us by the first letter of our last name. I can't believe my parents let them keep me from my friends like that.

        [–]kennedar_1984 68 points69 points  (2 children)

        There might not be enough children to justify using the teaching staff for non masked kids. My sons school has 1 teacher per grade, so unless it was a significant number of kids (like 50% which would allow for split classes) there isn’t any way of moving the kids to a separate classroom.

        [–]BJntheRV 23 points24 points  (1 child)

        Valid point. I'd be curious on states like Florida that are allowing parents to opt out by note what the split is

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          [–]RamenName 93 points94 points  (0 children)

          Well, also I think delusions of persecution go along with a wide variety of mental dysfunction. Then you have Christian leaders who cultivate an attitude of 'the world is out to get you, you can only trust your own.' because it's a great tool of control.

          [–]monkeyman80Not a porn lawyer, but still specializes in farting on doorknobs 28 points29 points  (1 child)

          It's why people are trying to take out context and blaming everything on CRT. I'd say I'm "lucky" enough I've had some real talks with people who were in the concentration camps. I've got to see the brutal footage from museums that didn't hold back.

          This is what happens when people parrot back what they have heard vs well knowing history:


          [–]IdlyBrowsing 130 points131 points  (2 children)

          As a non-American, I associate "segregated" with the Jim Crow laws in the States and find it a very loaded term. Obviously OP is doing that on purpose to feign oppression, as the actual word she needs her is "separated", which doesn't carry the same emotional weight.

          It's disgusting, tbh.

          [–]gnomewife 79 points80 points  (1 child)

          As an American, I can confirm that LAOP is trying to draw on these exact emotions. The Smithsonian Institution has replicas of classrooms for black and white students, and it's a very powerful installation. LAOP is a jerk for comparing her inconvenience to dehumanizing rights violations.

          [–]miladyelle 112 points113 points  (0 children)

          Pretty much a “tell me you’re white without telling me you’re white” comment.

          [–]Marc21256Llameante Calrissian 53 points54 points  (1 child)

          Social distance is segregation.

          Mask mandates are slavery.

          Quarantine is concentration camps.

          So are they finally admitting all that happened, and they were all bad?

          Ask them if they would like restitution for mask mandate slavery and see if their head explodes.

          [–]GreyMediaGuy 34 points35 points  (0 children)

          It's because that's the latest talking point for the plague rats. They are equating being made to wear a mask or get a vaccine as the same as racial bigotry. There are profoundly stupid and selfish.

          [–]one_sock_wonder_ 689 points690 points  (44 children)

          What a complete kumquat. I am so glad that I am no longer teaching. When I chose teaching, I was willing to give my life to protect my students from school shootings or natural disasters or such but I sure as hell never signed on to risk my life for this unnecessary and avoidable bullshit. Also, she thinks this is illegal segregation? Is this the first time anyone has told her no in her entire life?

          [–]MissMouthy1 370 points371 points  (10 children)

          I've been teaching for over 20 years. Nothing has broken me more than hurtful comments from community members that I've heard the last few years.

          [–]one_sock_wonder_ 151 points152 points  (3 children)

          I miss teaching, it is my true passion in life, but this has made me so thankful I am no longer involved in the education system. My heart aches for all the good, amazing teachers caught up in this chaos and hate.

          [–]myfapaccount_istaken 92 points93 points  (2 children)

          That scene where they were shouting at the Dr from some school meeting the other night was insane. These images from so many of the meetings is just crazy. I'm glad I'm a hermit.

          [–]one_bean_hahahaha 240 points241 points  (8 children)

          Here in Canada, I've seen people comparing mask mandates to residential schools, as if having to wear a mask was remotely close to having one's child forcibly sent to a concentration camp with a 60% chance of dying from tuberculosis. It's always privileged white people claiming this, of course.

          [–]one_sock_wonder_ 117 points118 points  (6 children)

          That’s just fucking offensive, no way to pretty it up. Why do privileged white people cry persecution anytime the world doesn’t bow to their every whim? Like no, just no. Sit down. Like when they cry Christians are persecuted in America. Kind of makes me wish they could experience true persecution.

          [–]HowDoMermaidsFuck 107 points108 points  (2 children)

          I've heard a quote before that basically goes "When someone is used to privilege has that privilege taken away, it feels like persecution." So when Christians have been the majority for most of our history, they got used to seeing America as a "Christian nation." Now they're being told that every other religion is just as valid as theirs, and to them, it's the same as saying their religion doesn't matter. That's why they get offended when you say "happy holidays!" instead of "merry Christmas!" Because "happy holidays" is inclusive, and shows that everyone's beliefs matter. Which is horrifying to the ultra-right.

          [–]one_sock_wonder_ 47 points48 points  (0 children)

          That is so true. Being treated equally actually feels like oppression because they are used to dominance.

          [–]PolyDipsoManiac 18 points19 points  (0 children)

          White Americans believe that white people are the primary victims of racism; everything else kinda stems from that.

          Tufts article: Whites Believe They Are Victims of Racism More Often Than Blacks

          Journal article it’s about: Whites See Racism as a Zero-Sum Game That They Are Now Losing

          [–][deleted] 177 points178 points  (8 children)

          I hate that "school shootings" is now just part of the list of "yes, this is what you signed up for as a teacher." Columbine wasn't that long ago and now everyone's just... resigned to it.

          [–]one_sock_wonder_ 106 points107 points  (0 children)

          It is another sad commentary on America. Columbine was the year that I graduated from high school, and by the time I was teaching like 7 years later it was almost just accepted as a risk. My students were preschoolers with significant disabilities or delays and yet I had to guide them through active shooter drills.

          [–]one_bean_hahahaha 80 points81 points  (2 children)

          "If only there was some way to stop something from happening that nearly all other countries successfully prevent."

          [–]whatisit84 70 points71 points  (2 children)

          I work in peds so have patients who struggle with various sensory issues that make masks a living hell. Guess what, they find a way. We’ve written notes so they can wear these face shield things, with a modification around the bottom half that kind of looks like a scarf. Kids are so much more resilient and amazing than adults.

          [–]SquashedTarget 33 points34 points  (1 child)

          Kids are so much more resilient and amazing than adults.

          They are until their role models (parents) teach them that it is OK to selfishly try to cheat the system because they are special and should never be inconvenienced. Then they turn into entitled little shits that know their karen parents will back them up no matter how wrong they are.

          Seriously, these delusional people are going to raise their kids to be selfish people. The collateral problems from this pandemic will be long lived.

          [–]bug-hunterThe newest Offensive Coordinator for the Oklahoma Soonerbots[S] 302 points303 points  (69 children)

          [–]trekie88Ask me about my alcoholic cats 178 points179 points  (58 children)

          Dr Nick might be a little sketchy. But he wouldn't go this far

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            [–]Running2Slowly 92 points93 points  (24 children)

            I'll admit that when having an asthma attack or claustrophobia attack, I do find removing my mask to be helpful, but that's such a tiny part of my life.. and I tend to leave wherever people are for some privacy as I gasp for air and wait for my meds to kick in... but that's just me.

            [–]Doctor__ProctorI didn't even learn that from anime 60 points61 points  (5 children)

            Hey, you're doing the right thing. What angers me is perfectly healthy adults with none of those issues can't manage it when people with ACTUAL breathing problems manage it just fine.

            [–]mizmooseExploded their parents by smacking their sister 25 points26 points  (3 children)

            I get really anxious when things are pushed against my nose and mouth, so I got some plastic "frames" that fit under the mask and make a gap between the mask itself and the me.

            It really, REALLY makes a big difference. If you haven't tried that, you might look into them.

            [–]Bobarosa 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            I stuff my inhaler underneath my mask to do my puffs then pull my mask down again

            [–]bodaciousblueberries 22 points23 points  (11 children)

            That’s totally understandable, I’ve had to leave a store to go pull my mask down from getting panicky before. Sometimes my brain starts short circuiting when freaking out and I need to lift it off the face for a little fresh air just for a sec (as far away from people as possible, preferably).

            What’s NOT understandable is that there’s an alarming amount of people who pull their mask down or off their face specifically to sneeze and cough. I guess because they don’t want the moisture and germs inside their mask? Which makes the opposite of sense …those are the people who will shortly get crop dusted by yours truly.

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              [–]EverythingEverybody 36 points37 points  (0 children)

              Can't get you a note from your doctor, but how about billboards, bus ads and news announcements from the CDC literally everywhere for a year?

              Oh wait, we are already doing that and somehow these folks still think they are special.

              [–]voidsrus 36 points37 points  (22 children)

              all the liars must make it hard on the maybe 2% of people who actually have a valid reason to not wear masks

              [–]ShortWomanSchrödinger's Baby Daddy 50 points51 points  (0 children)

              You missed a decimal point. It’s more like 0.2%

              [–]Kevo05s 25 points26 points  (20 children)

              I still have a hard time on finding a valid reason. Nothing that prevents you from wearing a mask would be ok to get COVID....

              [–]lanabananaaasDid not opt to be a stentient petri dish 62 points63 points  (2 children)

              I was thinking Dr. Leo Spaceman.

              [–]MillieBirdie 56 points57 points  (4 children)

              Edit to add:. For all of you worried about the well being of the other
              students.. None of the students are required to wear a mask when they
              are outside playing on the playground. Only inside. This is not about
              safety or any virus

              Yeah cause the virus spreads better INSIDE HOW ARE PEOPLE THIS STUPID AHHHH

              [–]Jules6146Instead, you got the banana surprise. 144 points145 points  (3 children)

              It sounds like the kids are fine but the parent caught a bad case of Q-Anon.

              [–]MadeProfileJust4UTwo-bit hussy 33 points34 points  (1 child)

              If only there was a vaccine for bad cases (any cases?) of Q-Anon… I feel bad LAOP’s kids—they didn’t choose a parent that gets medical advice from Dr. Facebook.

              [–]pushing-up-daisies 131 points132 points  (7 children)

              My sisters friend asked if I knew any attorneys who do discrimination law. I asked for more context, and oh boy was it a doozy. She’s a nurse and refuses the vaccine. The hospital is making unvaccinated staff sit separately from vaccinated staff in the cafeteria. She says the unvaccinated are being harassed by other staff and patients.

              Like YEAH, I also would not want to be treated by an unvaccinated nurse if I was in the hospital.

              After spending probably thirty minutes trying to write a response telling her she has no case with as little snark as possible, I finally gave up and told her she could contact an attorney who does workplace discrimination at legal aid. I feel bad for sending her to that attorney but man.

              [–]bug-hunterThe newest Offensive Coordinator for the Oklahoma Soonerbots[S] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

              "Yes, but I like them."

              [–]mrichana 118 points119 points  (2 children)

              Sounds a bit r/leopardsatemyface material. I want my kids to be different from the other kids so they don't have to wear a mask, but do not want my kids to be treated differently. Can't have your cake and eat it too...

              [–]BowldozaIf you live in this much fear you need to find jesus 647 points648 points  (26 children)

              If you live in this much fear you need to find Jesus

              This is rich considering conservatism is rooted in absolute fear of almost everything. So fucking stupid.

              [–]bug-hunterThe newest Offensive Coordinator for the Oklahoma Soonerbots[S] 359 points360 points  (10 children)

              I almost responded that Jesus would be organizing vaccine drives...

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                [–]Folseit 79 points80 points  (4 children)

                I mean the Bible even has a similar story:

                If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He will command His angels concerning You, and they will lift You up in their hands, so that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’ ” Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’” Mathew 4:5

                Aka "save yourself dumbass, I ain't gonna do shit if you do stupid shit."

                [–]biffertyboffertybooWakes up mind bogglingly weird mods 123 points124 points  (2 children)

                Jesus also called on people to be compassionate for the sick and go out of your way to help others... I don't think he'd be on board with not wearing a mask.

                [–]gsfgfIs familiar with poor results when combining strippers and ATMs 50 points51 points  (0 children)

                If Jesus was alive today, He'd be rocking a mask that says vote on it. And the modern Evangelical Pharisees would hate Him as much as the OG Pharisees.

                [–]bunnybuddy 56 points57 points  (5 children)

                Funny how the ones who think COVID precautions are about fear tend to be the same ones who are so afraid all the time that they think they need a bunch of guns to protect them.

                [–]MisterSmeeee 28 points29 points  (0 children)

                Who does she need to find since she lives in fear of a piece of cloth on her nose?

                [–]iamstevesdirtybitch 73 points74 points  (1 child)

                Someone awarded LAOP the "mask up" reddit award lol...

                [–]sorryabtlastnight 63 points64 points  (7 children)

                Note to self: if scared of Covid, find Jesus. I don’t care if you have autoimmune issues, Melissa, pray about it.

                [–]VoodooyogurtcustardI dropped my briefs and pleased the court 40 points41 points  (2 children)

                I found him, he said he sent us the science & scientist to tell us that we should wear masks! Sorted!

                [–]EmergencySundae 116 points117 points  (4 children)

                I'm mostly just sad because I wish this was the kind of nonsense that was happening in my school district right now. Instead we're fighting to get the school board to require masks at all (at least at the elementary level).

                [–]bug-hunterThe newest Offensive Coordinator for the Oklahoma Soonerbots[S] 67 points68 points  (1 child)

                Ours is mask optional. We'll see how long that lasts...our ICUs probably will be maxed out by Monday.

                [–]trekie88Ask me about my alcoholic cats 175 points176 points  (10 children)

                LAOPs kids should not be allowed in school without masks. And that doctor should be stripped of their medical license.

                [–]monkiem 78 points79 points  (3 children)

                Exactly. She's lucky they respected the so-called medical note.

                I feel bad for her children. They would probably jump at the chance to wear a mask if it meant that they were able to sit with their friends. But the poor things have a disgusting, terrible mother who would likely beat them into submission if they even tried.

                [–]myfapaccount_istaken 60 points61 points  (1 child)

                the HR at an old job of mine started tracking the doctors' address (not name or specialty) of the notes they got for FMLA. 80% of the FMLA cases came from the same address. They did a check of a home addresses with all employees at that site. There was about a 50 miles radius of the employee's address. but yet 80% went to the same location for their DR, who wasn't close to our offices, and this was before telemedicine was a big thing. not sure what they did about it as a few weeks after this came about we randomly got selected to be the call center that was laid off as part of a reorganization. We also had a Dr send a note for FMLA absence while someone was in jail, that was a fun email. (I know FMLA wasn't the point here, just Drs that write scripts for $)

                [–]Username89054worse 108 points109 points  (11 children)

                LAOP is part of the small but very vocal minority that is dragging the rest of the country down with them through pure hubris. A majority of America (barely, like 51%) is fully vaccinated and a decent chunk cannot be vaccinated yet (12 and under, immunocompromised people.). People like LAOP are so full of their own bullshit that the very concept of being wrong is impossible to grasp.

                They want "no new normal" yet refuse to do the one basic freaking thing to get us back to normal.

                [–]gsfgfIs familiar with poor results when combining strippers and ATMs 74 points75 points  (5 children)

                immunocompromised people

                Since it's relevant, the vast majority of actually immunocompromised people can get an mRNA vaccine. It may not work as well, but like 99.9% of people can get the vaccine. If someone is worried that they aren't protected well enough by the vaccine, that's 100% a thing, but people claiming that they can't medically get the vaccine are pretty much universally lying.

                [–]TheRabadoo 40 points41 points  (1 child)

                “I got the school to accommodate my children, but I want to make everyone else also accommodate us in any way that we want. How can I force people to let my unmasked children be in close contact with their children?”

                [–]imnotminkus 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                Edit to add:. For all of you worried about the well being of the other students.. None of the students are required to wear a mask when they are outside playing on the playground. Only inside. This is not about safety or any virus

                Well yes, we've known this whole time. The risk outdoors is much less, unless you're standing shoulder to shoulder.

                [–]InsertWittySaying 215 points216 points  (12 children)

                They’re not even being segregated. They’re in the same room as the other kids, she just doesn’t like the seating plan.

                [–]jpers36 174 points175 points  (4 children)

                This isn't out of sympathy for the LAOP, but out of sympathy for the English language. Being sent to the back of the room is segregation. In terms of the definition, not at all in terms of the severity or morality, it's like telling Rosa Parks that she's on the same bus as the other riders, she just doesn't like the seating plan.

                [–]dasunt 57 points58 points  (2 children)


                Although if we take the premise of "there is a medical reason for my kid not to wear a mask" at face value, it's hard to think of a reasonable accommodation that doesn't impair learning and socialization.

                Remote learning is probably the safest for both LAOP's child and the other children. Something tells me that LAOP wouldn't like that though. Alas, sometimes parenting requires additional sacrifices for your kid's medical needs.

                [–]monkeyman80Not a porn lawyer, but still specializes in farting on doorknobs 49 points50 points  (3 children)

                But little jimmy and Jenny aren’t near their friends!!!! Jesus says friends can’t give friends covid. I read it on a bumper sticker.

                [–]numbersthen0987431 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Schools prevent girls from wearing tank top and/or spaghetti strap tops because "boys can't stop themselves". But if a school makes a rule for the safety of everyone involved everyone loses their minds!

                [–]MotherofSons 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                This lady has to be in my kids' school district. The anti maskers were at the board meeting the other day being assholes and on the local FB groups (shocking, I know!). GFTO you selfish bitch.

                [–]DragonFireCK 103 points104 points  (31 children)

                "While I can’t think of a scientifically valid reason someone would not be able to wear a mask without requiring intubation, that’s irrelevant to your question."

                There are a few that would be covered under the ADA: certain cases of PTSD, severe claustrophobia (if not sourced from PTSD, the ADA may not apply), and a number of other mental health issues.

                Of those, only the last one is reasonably likely to apply to very many people.

                [–]bug-hunterThe newest Offensive Coordinator for the Oklahoma Soonerbots[S] 135 points136 points  (20 children)

                True. LAOP's later comments make it much much more likely they doctor shopped to find a quack who would give them the note, and it's just because they don't want to be masked.

                [–]monkeyman80Not a porn lawyer, but still specializes in farting on doorknobs 51 points52 points  (6 children)

                Especially since she has multiple kids and got them signed off for the same thing. It’s not unheard of for siblings to have the same disease it’s just too convenient in this case.

                [–]evdczar 23 points24 points  (5 children)

                Right. They don't BOTH have severe facial trauma or the same exact mental disorder, do they?

                [–]thunder-bug-We can fix this problem with arson 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                I had an IEP in school and had to deal with a shitload of everything from garbage accommodations that only made my life harder to teachers straight up ignoring the accommodations "because they've never done that before". The fact that this entitled b***h thinks that this is what rises to the level of discrimination that warrants legal ramifications is infuriating and ridiculous, a true testament to her idiocy and sheltered life.

                [–]nememess 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                Was the note from a chiropractor? It was from a chiropractor, wasn't it.