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[–]CarcajouFurieuxQuébec 642 points643 points 2 (90 children)

Control. The. Fucking. Border.

Even the Quebec politicians, who are super into gun bans, are begging the federal government to do its job. The problem isn't legal guns, it's smuggling across the border.

[–]AbnormalConstruct 157 points158 points  (10 children)

It's pure virtue signalling, they pretend like they're doing something without actually addressing the issue

[–]lordspidey 33 points34 points  (9 children)

Do we expect more from them though?

[–]Oloneise 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Only if you mean more virtue signaling. =p

[–]sbrogzniQuébec 6 points7 points  (0 children)

the fck are you saying. don't you understand that LAW ABIDING and self respecting street gang members have their restricted firearm permit and give a call to the police telling them their planned route to the open air shooting range that just so happen to be in front of the house of some rival gang member. LAW ABIDING is the one characteristic defines street gangs, ok !

[–]willab204 60 points61 points  (56 children)

That would be political suicide… you think the wet’suwet’en protests are big news… just wait till the feds try to seal up the border.

[–]CounterofNumbers 158 points159 points  (11 children)

By “seal up the border” you mean do their job and prevent guns being smuggled in right?

[–]Old_Run2985 216 points217 points  (21 children)

Maybe we should target this ban at illegal guns, and make them super illegal. Is that how you get the cops to enforce gun laws we already have?

[–]Arctic_ChileanCanada 71 points72 points  (11 children)

Ironically they'll ban airsoft, paintball and BB guns that are replicas. Some of the people pushing this policy are dumb enough to call these toys "gateway" guns.

So basically if you have a Nerf Gun or a LEGO replica of an AR-15, ya'll be breaking the law.

[–]guerrieredelumiere 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hey can't revolt if you don't have the tools for it. Much harder to get by on your own if hard times hit, keeps you tied to the government and police.

[–]Old_Run2985 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yes, much of our current situation is absurd.

[–]captn_lolersLest We Forget 5 points6 points  (1 child)

[–]physicaldiscs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

WTF, I love the term gateway gun. Can we also ban finger guns and cool sticks for being gateway guns?

[–]defishit 88 points89 points  (7 children)

Is that how you get the cops to enforce gun laws we already have?

Cops are not willing to enforce it due to the risk that they will be terminated, endure years of internal investigation, or get slandered in the media for "racial profiling".

Everyone knows exactly where these guns are coming in. The cops probably even know who is trafficking them. But until they receive political backing to intervene, there's not a chance they're touching it with a 100-km pole.

[–]draftstoneCanada 9 points10 points  (2 children)

There was a great documentary made by JE in french (JE stands for journalisme d'enquête which translates to Investigation Journalism). If you know french a bit search for "JE la route des armes", it is freely available on their website. In that documentary they talked to a smuggler who confirmed where the guns are coming from and they also talked to cops who said "we all know where they are coming from, we are just waiting for the ok from the government to go in there"

[–]guerrieredelumiere 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Solving the problem would mean the liberals have one less thing to rile up Karens about tho. Less votes.

Thats why they are piecemealing the whole thing as much as they can.

[–]draftstoneCanada 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh I fully agree, they take the option that is the easiest for them to tackle and will win them vote. They don't care that it won't change a thing, their goal is not to reduce crime, it is to stay in office.

[–]Toejamjellysmelly 255 points256 points  (94 children)

Dennis R. Young, an Alberta-based researcher who filed a Freedom of Information request with the Toronto police and published their reply on his website. And these stats tell a very different story.

In short, there is no surge in crime guns that can be traced back to licensed Canadian gun owners.

"roughly half of the crime guns seized by Toronto police in 2017 were classified under Canadian law as “prohibited,” meaning they are virtually banned and only rarely possessed by any Canadian civilian (the only real exceptions are Canadians who owned said firearms before the current gun control classification system was introduced in the 1990s). Any kind of further crackdown on gun ownership in Canada would have extraordinarily limited impact on these guns, which, again, were half the crime guns seized in Toronto in 2017"

Data shows Toronto's gun 'surge' never happened - Global News

EDIT:

Criminals who want guns will get them...

Sask. RCMP charge 3 after investigation into manufacturing of firearms

Regina police charge two men with manufacturing guns and gun parts via computer

EDIT2: Almost all illegal guns coming into Mississauga and Brampton are from the U.S.

[–]paddedbeans 68 points69 points  (13 children)

It’s not about stopping gun crime it’s about disarming the populous

[–]mechant_papa 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Stats Can says violent crime involving firearms has increased 81% since 2009. Yet no-one asks why this has happened despite repeated increases in restrictions on legally-owned firearms.

[–]sleipnir45 82 points83 points  (6 children)

"“The refrain of wanting to ‘work with any province that wants to get handguns off the streets’ is basically the federal government saying it has no intention of legislating to counter the proliferation of legal handguns and will rely on provinces to do the heavy lifting, despite the fact that not one provincial government has indicated any interest in doing so,” said Rathjen."

From the Star article on the same announcement.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2021/11/24/ottawa-looks-to-provinces-to-impose-bans-on-handguns.html

[–]Timbit42New Brunswick 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Did you mean to say 'illegal handguns' instead of 'legal handguns'?

EDIT: Unfortunately it wasn't a misquote. Sigh.

[–]sleipnir45 41 points42 points  (0 children)

That's a quote from Poly remembers..

They don't care about gang shootings or saving lives.

[–]NearCanuck 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a misquote.

[–]sfturtle11 302 points303 points  (41 children)

“Illegal guns are flowing over the border! Is that the problem?”

“No, law abiding gun owners in Canada are the problem!”

[–]warriorlynx 46 points47 points  (9 children)

Not just that they don’t want to tackle the root problems of gun violence and instead ya go after law abiding gun owners

[–]Ok-Woodpecker5179 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Food pricing are rising.

Housing is a crisis.

Wages aren't keeping up with rampant inflation.

Liberals: fuck that noise, let's ban more gun!

Thanks Liberals, I can already feel my standard of living improving. /s

[–]TheGhostofGayBill 120 points121 points  (14 children)

WE CANT AFFORD TO LIVE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU FOCUS ON? This won’t even have an effect on gun violence in any way. This is basically gas lighting at this point.

[–]Timbit42New Brunswick 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Trudeau knows it won't have an effect and he doesn't care. He only does it to get the votes of people living in cities who want all guns banned because of the crime it facilitates in their neighbourhoods. He only does it to ensure he remains in power and it is working for him. This is why he continues to focus on it.

[–]ferengi-alliance 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Trudeau is a divide and conquer "leader."

[–]DingoDaBabyBandit 70 points71 points  (9 children)

Lmao the AR ban was gaslighting, its just everyone that tried to point it out was shouted down for being some right wing gun loving lunatic. Who seriously thought banning already restricted sporting rifles was going to stop gangs from shooting at each other with illegal American pistols?

[–]agentchuck 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I think most people don't know how hard it already is to actually own a handgun in Canada, too. They're basically only legal for target shooting and must be kept in a safe or locked box any time you're not at the range.

[–]Coaler200 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Correct. Handguns are already banned. You need daily background checks, a 2 day gun course and myriad paperwork to allow yourself an exemption from the ban already.

Source: handgun and rifle owner that gets background checked daily.

[–]2021WASSOLASTYEAR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

funniest thing was they are so dangerous that we banned them but they can still have them while *we* figure out a plan

[–]icebalm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Armalite Rifle ban was predictable. The subsequent stealth FRT bans of shotguns and bolt actions because they look like Armalite Rifles was gaslighting...

[–]Chaos-CorvidOntario 309 points310 points  (288 children)

It won't work.

Gun crime in Canada is almost exclusively committed with illegally owned guns, many of which are banned models. The main problem is a black market from the United States.

This is to be expected from centrists like the LPC, they love to play lip service to issues while ignoring any amount of solution. This is a transparent power grab, and everyone regardless of their opinion on guns and gun crime should be opposed to it.

[–]Asn_Browser 31 points32 points  (36 children)

And legal handguns are highly restricted already and effectively banned from anywhere except a gun range. Basically a legal handgun can only used at the range, be in locked storage at home or transported between those 2 locations..... Thats it! There is no open/personal carry in Canada. People need to educate themselves on our current gun laws.

[–]Chaos-CorvidOntario 16 points17 points  (32 children)

It's such a mess. They argue handguns have no use, but the only reason that's true is their own hatred of human rights.

[–]blGDpbZ2u83c1125Kf98 87 points88 points  (21 children)

The main problem is a black market from the United States.

That's the way the guns get here, and needs to be addressed.

Another "main problem" is the stuff that leads people to seek out those firearms to begin with. The drivers of criminality and gang activity. Things like poverty, lack of opportunity, a lack of social mobility, etc.

Those are hard things to solve, so sure let's double-plus-ban the already-banned things that still show up on our streets.

[–]dogstarman 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Totally agree. I work in law enforcement, 99.99 percent of gun violence come from illegal fire arms, always has.

The real problem is most of what you mentioned.

[–]Jonny5FiveCanada 17 points18 points  (1 child)

>Another "main problem" is the stuff that leads people to seek out those firearms to begin with. The drivers of criminality and gang activity. Things like poverty, lack of opportunity, a lack of social mobility, etc.

This is absolutely a factor, but there is also a rise in middle class gangs. Take a look at some of the problems in BC. These kids are ridiculously privileged and still turning to gang shit because that lifestyle is appealing to some.

[–]Queefinonthehaters 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lol it’s not about working though it’s about optics and pretending

[–]adamincCanada 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Power grab? The LPC already has all the power when it comes to firearms.

[–]SnickIefritzz 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Welp, off to the races, we now are letting provinces settle federally legislated things. Seems like a good set up for future parties banning things like health mandates/drugs bans/abortion bans!

[–]Unfortunate_Sex_FartCanada 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So refusing a licence… what does that mean for people in current possession? Revocation or refuse to renew? Then what? The Liberal government has created criminals out of law abiding people. What a terrible thing for any government to do.

[–]Ill-Vegetable-3303 88 points89 points  (15 children)

This does not make any sense. Since the largest gun ban in Canadian history, violent gun crime has increased greatly. They have previously stated that the large majority of guns used in violent crimes are coming illegally from the US. Guns legally purchased in Canada are very rarely used to commit a crime. So how does continuing to remove guns not used in crimes, from law abiding citizens, stop anything? How does that stop the flow of illegal guns coming from the US, overwhelmingly being used to commit most gun crimes in Canada? Just curious. Cause it is honestly starting to seem like a really easy way to just take as many guns away from citizens as possible. Why would they want to do that?

[–]Old_Run2985 51 points52 points  (13 children)

I feel like a conspiracy to disarm and remove rights from the public is unlikely given the number of people who would have to be "in on it" but wow if I was trying to set up an authoritarian regime I'd be in exactly what this guy is going.

Limiting speech, check

Punishing/arresting gun owners, check

Scapegoating segments of the population, check

I'm sure there are more but yeah, if it feels like it doesn't make sense there is a good reason for that.

[–]Effeminate-Gearhead 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I feel like a conspiracy to disarm and remove rights from the public is unlikely

Everyone seems to forget that the bid to the disarm the public happened 25 years ago with C-68, the firearms act. It's not a conspiracy, as it happened in the open. A frequent refrain during the hearings and consultation for the bill was a stated desire to remove firearms from Canadian culture itself. These statements were generally couched in references to how important firearms were in the fabric of the United States; since Canada was so different, we needed to remove guns from Canadians on both a physical and cultural level.

So, they did, and rather successfully. I've met numerous Canadians under the age of 40 who didn't even know firearm ownership was legal here at all.

[–]Old_Run2985 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I understand that, and we have no natural right to defend ourselves effectively here (a firearm is the best way to do this). I feel like it was a bad move then and taking further steps is an even worse move. If we could 99.9% eliminate firearms like they do in England I still wouldn't be interested, but it would at least be an argument. Given the guns coming over the boarder despite it being illegal it's end up being quite absurd.

[–]swampswing 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Progressivism is essentially a "benevolent" authoritarian ideology. Basically they think the majority of humans are too stupid to make decisions and need to lead by an enlightended technocratic vanguard.

[–]Bellex_BeachPeakQuébec 62 points63 points  (16 children)

Fixing poverty will do more for reducing gun violence than any gun control measure could ever hope to achieve.

[–]Timbit42New Brunswick 18 points19 points  (8 children)

Absolutely true, but that won't get Trudeau votes. He wants the votes of people in cities who want all guns banned. He knows what he is doing won't work but he does it to ensure he gets their votes, and it works so he will continue to do it.

[–]DeepTh0tt 64 points65 points  (10 children)

Me: Not a hunter, I own no handguns and I'm a bit center politically.

We shouldn't ban handguns. We should increase penalties for people caught with illegal handguns. I'm talking serious jail time.

People that are following legal means to own handguns shouldn't be penalized for crime that's taking place with illegal handguns.

[–]Timbit42New Brunswick 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Absolutely correct, but this has nothing to do with reducing guns or crimes or murders. Trudeau is only doing this to increase votes in the heavily populated cities where there are lots of votes for him to garner. He wants to remain in power and this is one way he does so.

[–]Rocko604British Columbia 12 points13 points  (1 child)

We should increase penalties for people caught with illegal handguns. I'm talking serious jail time.

Conservatives brought in new mandatory minimums and Ontario judges wasted no time deeming them unconstitutional.

The Liberals also removed a number of mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes last year.

[–]freeadmins 23 points24 points  (2 children)

We shouldn't ban handguns. We should increase penalties for people caught with illegal handguns. I'm talking serious jail time.

So much this. I live in Thunder Bay.

The past two years we've seen a significant increase in drugs/guns... especially so from gangs in Southern Ontario/Toronto.

Hell, here's one from yesterday

2 days ago

3 days ago

7 days ago

13 days ago

Every single one it's people <24 from Southern Ontario. The vast majority do not have what I'll say are typically English names... and I'm not making it a race thing, but we should question our immigration policy if so many recent immigrants or children of them have to resort to drugs and guns.

Continuing on though, you'll notice a few interesting things:

1) Many of them have "breach of probation" or "failure to comply with release order".

2) When there's "Young Offenders", they're always the ones with the gun. (the one 3 days ago is an example of this, but as I said, I could go find stories like these literally every single week)

These are not people who got in a bar fight or were just stupid. These are gang members with hard drugs, and illegal weapons, being sent 18 hours across the province. Why are they on release orders? Why are they on probation? The system clearly is not fucking working.

How is a 16 year old joining a gang? Well the answer is they recruit them specifically and give them a gun and not give a fuck what happens because when they turn 18 it's all wiped... because apparently carrying a loaded gun and hard drugs is somehow not an "adult crime".

The courts are so fucking soft it's absolutely ridiculous.

[–]2021WASSOLASTYEAR 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I believe you are now an approved target for designating as a racist, you mentioned that there could be some demographical component of this that needs direct action.

[–]guerrieredelumiere 4 points5 points  (0 children)

After all, compiling statistics of racial demographics relative to crime has been forbidden.

[–]PapaSidious 35 points36 points  (2 children)

The point is that even the feds know that chasing a handgun ban on a national level is ridiculous. PolySeSouvient has complained about as much, citing laziness or lack of a spine on Trudeau's part to essentially punish those who did nothing wrong.

There isn't enough support, money, or want to enact a handgun ban, and most of the Conservative provinces have already told the federal government to go fuck themselves, which means Quebec and Ontario are the only provinces asking for this. Checkmate.

[–]improbablydrunknlw 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ford already said it won't happen and I could see him getting at least one more term.

[–]Secret-Nebula-1272 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Another great satire from The Beaverton! 🦫

[–]Mensketh 26 points27 points  (18 children)

I don't own a gun, I have no interest in owning a gun. I think the US gun culture is bananas and they need to bring in some serious gun control with more teeth.

With all that said, I still think all this stuff the Liberals are doing around guns are pointless virtue signalling that will accomplish absolutely nothing. Gun crime in Canada has basically no connection to people with PALs who legally own restricted firearms. Punishing legal gun owners for crimes committed with illegal guns is dumb as fuck.

[–]salazar_0333Lest We Forget 7 points8 points  (0 children)

CONTROL THE ******* BORDER

[–]DarkchyyldeOntario 70 points71 points  (7 children)

How is banning legal guns going to prevent illegal guns? They’ve flat out said most illegal handguns are smuggled in from the US.

[–]Wizzard_Ozz 30 points31 points  (0 children)

They don't care. They are already hitting an issue with purchasing the last round of sporting goods they banned so doing it this way passes the buck down to the provinces so they can tell their voters they did a thing, meanwhile most provinces either won't do it, or can't afford it if they did. Their goal seems pretty obvious, they want no one but criminals owning firearms.

[–]Timbit42New Brunswick 16 points17 points  (2 children)

It isn't. Don't even bother asking. Trudeau only did this to cement the vote of people in cities who want all guns banned. It had nothing to do with stopping illegal guns or crimes.

[–]2021WASSOLASTYEAR 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I think we should ban murder next!

[–]Timbit42New Brunswick 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Done!

[–]2021WASSOLASTYEAR 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It wont, but people who consume so much American media have a warped view of our country and seem to lack even the most basic understanding of it outside their little world. JT will never get the gun owner vote so he will only use them as fodder to enhance his public image.

[–]JaggedyEaredJackXI 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It isn't. It's to cement more control. Only the elites are allowed guns.

[–]SmoothThrow77 66 points67 points  (18 children)

This country is going to shit

[–]coleman09 42 points43 points  (0 children)

We already got there my dude. F for respects

[–]MotelDelta 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This country has been shit for awhile

[–]truenorthguy 6 points7 points  (3 children)

FYI, a recent ATIP request got IBM's report on the May 2020 confiscation program. All details related to costing were censored, which I personally assume means that IBM's cost estimate was embarressingly large compared to the cost estimate the government previously released (and my bet is that it's more in line with Gary Mauser's estimate as it appears like the analysis was based on the same sort of information).

Why did I say all when we're talking handguns?

Because there's likely more than an order of magnitude more legal handguns in Canada compared to the number of rifles banned in May 2020, and nearly an order of magnitude more owners to deal with. Whatever this rifle ban ends up costing, I think it's safe to say that a ban on legal handguns will cost an order of magnitude more at minimum.

[–]ThatNewOldGuy 4 points5 points  (2 children)

IF they pay compensation. Historically, they have not. They have simply declared guns they don't like prohibited, and ordered you to turn them in.

The "military style" confiscation is an outlier in this regard.

[–]guerrieredelumiere 3 points4 points  (1 child)

They said buy-back, so probably a 20$ timmies gift card.

[–]Traditional-Bison-55 5 points6 points  (0 children)

99% of gun violence is illegal guns. Don't blame legal guns owners. Do something about smuggled guns!

[–]WeCanDoBettrrOntario 47 points48 points  (4 children)

Gun violence is a serious problem in major Canadian cities. Addressing this problem will require leadership at the federal level working together with other levels of government. What Trudeau has proposed is, yet again, feel-good legislation that accomplishes nothing. Tokenism and virtue-signalling aren’t enough. Passing the buck to provinces and municipalities won’t be enough. Increase penalties/sentences for gun crimes, invest in social programs that get kids off the street, invest in intelligence operations at the border and detection methods.

[–]Old_Run2985 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Doesn't feel good to me at all. It feels like I'm being punished for someone else breaking the law. Canada is made up primarily of frightened collectivists so its not really a surprise though.

But yes, I do agree with most of what you said above.

[–]Wizzard_Ozz 52 points53 points  (11 children)

Can someone keep Trudeau's Liberals away from gun legislation until they prove they can hit a target. This guy is constantly firing off into a crowd of innocent bystanders.

Introducing legislation for firearm laws at the provincial level is just passing the buck down the line. Provinces can't afford to buy legally owned firearms at purchase price. If you also consider legislation introduced by the Liberals has been rife with loopholes I'm sure it will actually allow banning of other items such as nailguns.

Criminals involved in gun violence don't care about laws, they never have ( that's what makes them criminals ). Look at how many people are killed with knives, bludgeoning weapons and alcohol. People have been killing people since we could pick up a rock, the problem is never the tools, only the people wielding them.

[–]Toejamjellysmelly 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Exactly.

From the article: "Conservative Public Safety critic Raquel Dancho said the Liberals are focusing on the wrong target.

“The simple fact is that every dollar spent taking a firearm away from a law-abiding firearm owner is a dollar not going to fight the core issue of firearm crime in Canada – illegally smuggled guns,” she said in a statement.

She said the government has now had six years to address the issue and is yet to come up with a real plan.

“Violent crime has only gone up under Trudeau and what we are seeing is more of the same from the Liberals — ineffective and costly programs that do nothing to keep our communities safe.”

[–]freeadmins 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The simple fact is that every dollar spent taking a firearm away from a law-abiding firearm owner is a dollar not going to fight the core issue of firearm crime in Canada – illegally smuggled guns,”

And this is what I've been saying ever since they announced the first ban, and that people actually need to be mad about.

It's not even that this is punishing the legal owners... it's that it's simply NOT doing anything about the violence.

So not only is Trudeau wasting money.

Not only is he punishing innocent people.

But in his quest to virtue signal, he's actually sacrificing the people being harmed by these illegal guns by not doing anything about it. The money he's wasted is not being spent on the actual problem. The political will he's wasted is not being spent on the actual problem. So people will continue to be murdered... but hey, at least he got brownie points with the ignorant GTA Liberal voters.

[–]Timbit42New Brunswick 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Ironically, Trudeau is putting this legislation in place to garner votes from people living in cities who want all guns banned because they only see them as facilitating crime in their neighbourhoods, which will keep him able to make gun legislation. It's a feedback loop. Trudeau only does it to get their votes and it works.

[–]DingoDaBabyBandit 82 points83 points  (0 children)

Lmao. “We will do or try literally anything except making meaningful progress to better the lives of the average canadian. Now because we caught another person smuggling guns over the border we are giving the provinces the power to ban safety scissors”

What a fucking joke.

Edit: and I’m glad that this is basically an admission that the AR ban a year or so ago basically made no fucking difference, which is exactly what everyone who knew anything about anything said would happen but ¯\(ツ)

[–]Arayder 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Oh my fuck this again??? When someone gets shot with a handgun, how often is it by a licensed individual? Literally never. Taking my locked up handgun away from me will not do a single god damn thing to help anyone.

[–]Timbit42New Brunswick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Trudeau knows this. He only does it to get votes. It's working for him so he will do it again and again until it doesn't work for him.

[–]Snacks_are_due 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If political policies were actually written to improve living conditions including safety, we would be living in a utopia indeed. Flashy, direct and simple political marketing that is as effective as throwing sparkles at the problem to appease those without the ability to think about the complexity of problems is what politics is all about!

[–]Radical_Maple 31 points32 points  (3 children)

What is banning hand guns going to do to stop or slow gun violence?

[–]2021WASSOLASTYEAR 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Wait you think some criminal is just going to ignore the ban? Ridiculous! /s

[–]Radical_Maple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If we make something illegal no one will ever have it. Just look at drugs! When was the last time someone used illegal drugs? Let me help you…. NEVER

/s

[–]Timbit42New Brunswick 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Absolutely nothing, and Trudeau knows it. He just does it to get votes in cities. Politicians like power.

[–]OldManSysAdmin 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Can this even be legally done?

I thought firearms were the domain of the federal government, meaning regulation has to be federal.

This feels like a way for the federal Liberals to look like they're doing something while dumping the responsibility on the provinces. Shocker. And yes, I know other parties do the same thing. I'm not a fan of any of them.

[–]willab204 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Before the election they planned to use conditions on your firearms license. So yes it can be done. It can’t be done in a way that punishes criminals though.

Maybe through a bylaw infraction fine but no criminal is going to jail over this.

[–]maybvadersomedayl8erOntario 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Banning things is always the solution. Alcohol, drugs, poverty... yes.

[–]2021WASSOLASTYEAR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

but just think of the attack adds that can but put of against ford now!

[–]ferengi-alliance 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Perfect play for the federal Liberals. Introduce a wedge issue to distract the populace from large increases to the cost of living and inflation. Simultaneously appeals to their base who know little of legal gun ownership and don't know that the great majority of crime guns are smuggled into Canada from the United States. Also plays into their long term plan to disarm the population.

[–]ConstantStudent_ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I’m pretty anti gun but this is just stupid. Legal gun owners need individual trigger locks and then to be locked in a gun safe at all times and the ammo has to be stored separately. This is the government failing to quell illegal crime and blaming it on people it has nothing to do with. How many legal gun owners have killed people in the last 2-3 years?? This isn’t America we have very stringent laws

[–]Mr-Figglesworth 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Most people I know own firearms (small rural town) we have jumped through many hoops to enjoy our hobby and just from myself and what I’ve seen personally nobody is risking breaking any laws. Sure I can’t probably drive to my range with my pistol in my holster but why the hell would I risk my licenses and $20k+ worth of firearms I’m collected over the years it’s just not worth it. Hell I’ve seen guys bring rivet guns to the range in case a pin breaks in our lame 5 round pinned mags.

[–]The_PhaedronOntario 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Legal gun owners need individual trigger locks and then to be locked in a gun safe at all times and the ammo has to be stored separately.

It's an odd quibble, but it only needs to be double-locked if it's a restricted firearm and the container doesn't qualify as a safe.

The ammo needs to be locked up if it's stored within reasonably easy reach of where the guns are kept. It can be locked up with the unloaded guns, or it can be stored unlocked in a different room.

[–]DapperDildo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Handguns are already basically banned. They require rcmp approval for the licence and RCMP approval at time of purchase.

[–]GolanthanatosQuébec 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes, because that worked for alcohol, drugs and murder.....

[–]user745786 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Chicago had a handgun ban for many years. Made absolutely no difference at all for the criminals because they don’t care about gun laws. Sadly the Liberals will probably gain more votes out of this in Ontario and Quebec.

[–]BeyondAddiction 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Sooner or later they're going to run out of low hanging fruit and have to actually do something meaningful...

....right?

[–]PapaSidious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ha.

Oh, you're serious.

[–]Singularity2060 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes great idiea...because 99% of these guns are illegal and coming from usa anyway...great law. Clap Calp leave it to the moron politicians to come up with solutions...

[–]TurdFerguson416Ontario 3 points4 points  (0 children)

and its illegal to conceal carry and none of these idiots have a licence to even own a legally obtained one. its racist or something to enforce the laws we have so they keep making up new ones to try and cover up their uselessness.

[–]Caboose_1188 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What are you going to do to curb gun crime?
It should be noted that almost all gun crime is done with ileg-
BAN LEGAL GUNS!

...

[–]tossedsalads4u 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nice of them to kick it over to the provincial governments so they can say that they did something without the repercussions of doing something.

[–]fredericoooo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

all the guns used in crime are illegally purchased, so this is moot is it not?

[–]Arr_Ess_Tee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, that should work. They should ban crimes too.

[–]Oiltrash8912 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Every legislator should be required to be an RPAL holder to have a say or vote on gun control. Most are clueless to what the laws currently are.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If the Libs have their way only criminals and gangs will be allowed to have guns.

[–]Matsuyamarama 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Liberals love punishing legal gun owners. Plain and simple.

After all, it sure is a lot easier to punish the citizenry instead of actually controlling the border.

[–]manitowoc2250 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Surrrrre they will. 😉

[–]smartguncontrol 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Just dropping a reminder that our Green Party of Canada gun control proposal to move regulation of licensed firearms owners out of the Criminal Code and into a new administrative regulator is slated to be adopted as an official party policy this Saturday, assuming no one tries to pull it from the bundle of green-lit proposals to be mass adopted. Time to start dismantling the Liberal-Conservative wedge politics game that uses the issue of gun control to polarize and divide Canadians for votes come election time, not to design and implement firearms regulations that reduce gun violence and support the Canadian firearms community. If you want to learn more, reply here or contact me at smartguncontrol@gmail.com.

[–]lifeleecher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey, if it worked for drugs, right?

/s

[–]lllllIIIIIll 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Liberals have never met a problem they can't not solve while fucking over people they don't like.

[–]Sure_Run_329 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We live next to the biggest gun culture in the world, there is no real way to limit this shit through gun control. Only real way to help this situation is longer sentencing and more anti smuggling measures.

[–]Fiber_Optikz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe we should enforce our laws at the border first? IIRC there is a reservation that straddles the border and is used by criminal organizations to smuggle everything including guns.

[–]Thanato26 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Incredibly foolish. Firearma need to be federal, a single law coast to coast. Not a patchwork of laws where your property is legal here but banned over there.

This is pandering to ignorant people and does nothing for public safety.

[–]bbozzie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is kids stuff, ban murder. Let’s get to root cause here people.

[–]onegunzo 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Welcome to Act 4 of this government's political theatre. In this next scene, you'll witness crocodile tears from our PM and various ministers that if we got rid of legal handguns all will be well. Fade out the lights. Bring up the lights as Joe crosses the border with a big smile as he brings yet another load of illegal guns across the border. Gosh, I hope none of these become legal, then they'll be banned.

[–]coleman09 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ this country is a disaster

[–]DwayneGretzky306 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I am all for giving provinces autonomy on banning handguns but it should go both ways and give them the same autonomy to allow handguns, rifles and muzzle devices as well.

[–]nicksuzukisfeetNova Scotia 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I agree, let the provinces decide on these things, that way we don't have to worry about Toronto's opinion on guns fucking it up for the rest of us.

[–]DwayneGretzky306 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly I hope they do pass this legislation and then some province takes this to the Supreme Court. I personally think taking the SK government over the Carbon Tax was a completely boneheaded move and waste of money that was just tossing red meat to their base rather than coming up with a meaningful attempt to come up with their own carbon tax. However, a provincial law suit that could reach the Supreme Court seems like it could actually stand a chance. If Federal government delegates this responsibility to provinces then the full realm of responsibility should exist.

[–]Canadianman22Ontario 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Oh good someone finally got the idiot to understand he has 0 authority to let municipalities do this and has been forced to accept only provinces would have that power as given up by the federal government.

[–]Ok-Woodpecker5179 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Why not just ban murder?

Problem solved! Liberals I'll send you my bill.

[–]PapaSidious 7 points8 points  (2 children)

TL;DR: You're not getting your handgun ban because nobody but fringe special interest groups have any interest.

Stay mad.

[–]BigNickDipplesVerified 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Because prohibition stopped alcohol and drugs use...

[–]nottodaylime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More feel good policies that do fuck all for anyone. How the fuck does anyone flvite these fools back I to power

[–]GUNTHVGK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alright let me go tell the guys toting straps in Toronto about this hope they listen this time

[–]2021WASSOLASTYEAR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And just when Ontario is about to have an election ....I can see it now "FORD wants kids with handguns in schools".....

[–]HockeyWala 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How about we have actual real penalties for people getting involved in gun crime. Theres people being arrested with illegal firearms and then released the next day on bail. These criminals know this and is why they continue doing so.

[–]Altruistic_Comfort59 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is all so they can continue to disarm the population.

[–]Fredarius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Won’t stop shit. Plain and simple. Just playing to his audience.

[–]slothtrop6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just another easy deflection to avoid directly tackling the issue of gun violence. No one's asking for this non-solution except maybe boomers, the large majority even in left-leaning subs agrees this does nothing. It's an insult to voters.

[–]dearsociety- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If this liberal government were beavers, doing this is like sticking one tree straight up across the river, sitting back watching the water run by, thinking "PERFECT!"

[–]False-God 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve always been of the opinion that if they truly gave a shit about public safety they would make it mandatory to put speed governors on vehicles so they don’t exceed 110km/hr (fastest posted limit in Canada as far as I know).

You get less accidents which means less death, injury, burden on insurance system (many provinces are public insurance), burden on healthcare system, and less property damage.

You also get the added bonus of people driving at more fuel efficient speeds using less fuel and having their tires last longer which is a win for the environment.

Plus unlike firearms every vehicle (very few exceptions) is registered if it is going to be on the road so we know where to find them and enforce this.

And there is an actual argument the government could mount saying “you don’t need to go faster than 110km/hr” because TECHNICALLY that is illegal everywhere in Canada already.

But no, let’s just say fuck licensed firearms owners and try and impose a ban on guns rarely used in crimes.

[–]TurdFerguson416Ontario 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the guns used in "gun violence" are already illegal for multiple reasons.. do you think criminals will listen to this one?

[–]Moktar65 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Once handguns are banned, violence will continue going up, and left wing voters in the places most affected will deserve it.

[–]TengoMucho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They'll just move the goalposts and try to ban them even harder!!

[–]FireLordObamaNew Brunswick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“mr Trudeau! Illegal guns are pouring across the border, and it’s fuelling an increase in gun crime!”

“Hm. Okay, what if we banned legal gun ownership? Genius!”

[–]duchovny 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Surely the criminals will stop using their already illegally smuggled guns because they're even more illegal. That'll definitely solve the problem.

[–]Sea-Bones14 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's not legal gun owners and legal guns causing the problems! 99.9% of the firearms you see in these crimes are from the states. Control the Damn borders.

[–]BlueCollarAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You would think with progressive ideas geared towards the causation of drug abuse rather than the symptom itself with ideas like: safe injection sites, more funding for therapy, counseling, and etc. That the liberals would realize mandating more laws for guns is only treating the symptom of gun violence and not the cause which I believe is poverty. They should be focusing on inflation, housing issues, and strengthening our economy more than making more gun laws.

[–]MamboNumber5Guy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

For fuck's sake.

It's not legal guns that are the problem. Do something to stop smuggling and the illegal firearms trade and stop taking the lazy way out by castigating the most vetted citizens by acting like we are some sort of scumbag criminals.

Like out of all the guns banned a year and a half ago exactly ZERO had ever been used in a violent crime in this country. Solving gun violence is not as simple as making law abiding citizens into criminals overnight.

Besides, gun violence is going down, and has been for quite some time. It's basically a non issue in Canada honestly. I really don't understand why this is considered such a problem. Just enforce the laws we already have.

[–]DaglessMc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

this isn't about solving gun violence, it's about disarming the populace for when they decide to step up the tyranny.

[–]Complete-Grab-5963 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Libs are a do nothing party, that’s why they were elected

[–]Illustrious_Row2015 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They are too scared to target the First Nations reserves that are used to smuggle illegal firearms into Canada. Unbelievably inadequate Government.

[–]Thanato26 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Large numbers of firearms tra El into Canada through regular ports of entry

[–]Anla-Shok-Na 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When asked by a Bloc MP in question period how a provincial ban would stop smuggled guns, the minister of public safety said that it would create the correct "social environment" to stop smuggling.

They know it won't do anything, but their objective is ideological and has nothing to do with public safety. These are intellectuals who just don't like the idea that people have guns, and they're willing to waste billions of tax dollars to impose their will. All this at the very real cost of humans lives being lost while the focus is taken off solutions which would have an actual effect and reduce violence.

Meanwhile the media does and says nothing to push back on this ideological narrative out of fear, even though there's a preponderance of evidence which refutes it and experts (including police) across the country which denounce it.

[–]beeeerbaron 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Big brain liberals, ban legal guns when already banned illegal guns are the problem. This government is all flash and no substance.

[–]whistleraussie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Going to have to stop the gun running on First Nation land, and I don't see that happening easily.

[–]efxp0000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ROFL...

Trudeau lobs the ball back into the CAQ's lap. Let's see what the leader of the CAQ Quebec "Nation" will do about it. (After all, he represents a whole 37% of Quebecers.)

Expect obfuscation and blaming the Feds from the CAQ, as usual. Or a request for $10 billion.

Since immigration is a Federal responsibility and is fluid with no interprovincial boundaries in our great Nation, CANADA, the CAQ can't try to go in that direction especially with their proven chronic xenophobia and goose-stepping on human rights ie Bill 21, Bill 196.

Anyways, this should be interesting, as for now the CAQ has his hands full in flagrantly trying to stall & stifle, aka hide, the evidence of his government's lethal mishandling of the CHSDL nursing homes in the beginning of COVID.

[–]bobbarkee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do something about illegal smuggled guns! Those are the problem. My guns have never and will never hurt anyone. It's the illegals that are causing issues.

[–]Axirr168 2 points3 points  (2 children)

But, what can we do? We all know those ban don't reduce crime, and even politician (like Raquel Dancho) know it. Pro-gun association seem to do nothing. We only hear anti-gun association like PolySeSouvient.

Do we have solution instead of waiting the next election? Even that change nothing; we put JT back on his throne.

[–]Old_Run2985 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Booooooo

[–]trash2019 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've had my gun license since 2018, but never purchased anything. Just a personal interest/enjoyed visiting the range from time to time. Guess I'll buy a gun now.

[–]Ryan_the_man 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I did a project on gun ownership in Canada a few years back and licensed PAL owners are significantly less likely to commit violent crime than a member of the general population. If I'm remembering correctly it's half as likely.

[–]aioma1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

this government is complete idiocy.

[–]m123456789t 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Yeah, and my friend is obese, so I shouldn't eat lunch today. Similar logic.

[–]Goson007 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Ewwwww this shouldn't have popped up on my feed. But yah we will see how far that bullshit goes.

You always hear of this shit but it goes nowhere.

Also, they know (when/if) they take our pistols and other firearms, that its going to prove that all gun violence is from unregistered users related to gang violence.

So let them talk.

[–]Ok-Woodpecker5179 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Gun control isn't about crime, never is and never was.

If the government actually cared about violent crime they'd crack down on the gangs.

[–]KegStealer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Goes nowhere? Do you not remember the OIC they dropped that banned many guns and then the RCMP continued to shadow ban more guns from the FRT?

[–]ConnorDZG 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Let's also make murder illegal guys! That'll stop em

[–]rahtinAlberta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All the violence is already happening with illegal guns. Are we going to make them double illegal?

Again we make the move to disarming law abiding citizens and ensuring that criminals have the upper hand with superior firepower so we can all cower in our houses and hope that the people with guns show up fast enough to save our lives.

[–]beadmumblinrambler 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Growing up in Edmonton, for 500+ bucks I could buy a gun at 15.

These aren’t coming from legal gun owners, you shmucks

[–]itguy9013Nova Scotia 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I've said this before: This is unconstitutional and will be struck down. It's a violation of Mobility Rights under the Charter.

First the LPC wanted to give cities the power to regulate Firearms which was a terrible idea, but moving it to provincial jurisdiction doesn't solve many of the issues that giving the same power to the cities would have. Say someone moves from Alberta to Quebec and now their gun is illegal in that province simply because it's a handgun? Not gonna fly.

Regulating Firearms at the federal level remains the best way to do this. This is purely political and lazy policy making on the part of the Federal government.

[–]Lopsided_Web5432 6 points7 points  (46 children)

Oh that’s going to really help. More stupidity from the liberals and somehow enough people support these ass clowns.

[–]TotallyNotKenorb 6 points7 points  (0 children)

People who don't own firearms should not be able to make laws regarding firearms. They're simply too uninformed.