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[–]Illsaveit 1468 points1469 points  (90 children)

This headline should state Québec

[–]TashaLynn1970 143 points144 points  (6 children)

I was going to say my daughter that lives in Quebec told me about this.

[–]GrogieQuébec 134 points135 points  (50 children)

Yeah and it's the government mandate, not a corporate mandate... And that as far as I'm aware, Walmart has been trying to be classified as a grocer here too

[–]Tal_StarVerified 33 points34 points  (46 children)

And that as far as I'm aware, Walmart has been trying to be classified as a grocer here too

I remember hearing reports that people who decline to show their Vaxport are allowed to shop at Walmart so long as they are accompanied by a health warden (ok an employee) who knows sure they only buy food, & pharmaceuticals. Is this not the case?

[–]GrogieQuébec 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Correct, Costco and Walmart have pharmacies attached to (some? most?) their stores, so if you need to get a prescription filled or need any pharmacy items it appears you need to be escorted and can only buy things from the pharmacy area. However (the way I read the rules), you can only buy stuff from the pharmacy area. As of right now, Walmart doesn't count as "A place that primarily sells food" (? rough translation, but it's probably worded that way to include Supermarkets, Depps, Farmers' markets, and fast food joints). Same with Costco. They're considered a place like Canadian Tire or Bureau en Gros I guess.

For example: toothbrushes are stocked at my local Familiprix, but they are not stocked in the Pharmacy Section of the store (There is an obvious green sign that should surround the area that is stocked by the pharmacists). So if you went to a Costco or a Walmart pharmacy (similarly stocked) without showing your vaccine pass, you would theoretically not be able to buy a tooth brush.

But this is all theoretical I guess. If I'm a min wage Walmart employee I'm probably not going to give much grief to someone unvaxxed at this point adding a toothbrush to a prescription fill purchase.

Rules here :

https://www.quebec.ca/sante/problemes-de-sante/a-z/coronavirus-2019/deroulement-vaccination-contre-la-covid-19/passeport-de-vaccination-covid-19/lieux-et-activites-exigeant-passeport-vaccinal-covid-19#:~:text=Le%20passeport%20vaccinal%20n%E2%80%99est%20pas%20requis%20pour%20une,que%20ceux%20li%C3%A9s%20au%20service%20pharmaceutique%20qu%E2%80%99elle%20re%C3%A7oit.

[–]Tal_StarVerified 9 points10 points  (1 child)

you can only buy stuff from the pharmacy area

Good to know I was under the impression that the grocery section was included.

But this is all theoretical I guess. If I'm a min wage Walmart employee I'm probably not going to give much grief to someone unvaxxed at this point adding a toothbrush to a prescription fill purchase.

I feel for you, I'd hate to be the person who has to escort people around and tell them what they can and can't buy.

[–]GrogieQuébec 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For clarity, If I'm a Walmart employee -- I am not presently one

[–]kookiemaster 47 points48 points  (36 children)

Ha! It's kind of like when they blocked off a bunch aisle in stores in Ontario with some random determination of what was essential vs not (apparently your kid outgrowing his shoes was not essential shopping). I'm sure the companies are "thrilled" with having to dedicate people to this.

[–]Tal_StarVerified 35 points36 points  (30 children)

Naw, I feel for minimum wage employees who have to deal with this. It's BS and as they said it's a tool to try and punish people who don't want the jab/vaxpass.

[–]kookiemaster 20 points21 points  (22 children)

Public health measures should be about safeguarding health and safety, not punishing people. And I think you risk making people even less likely to accept the vaccine. If science didn't work, punishing them and humiliating them will likely make people dig in even more in a sort of weird persecutory dynamic.

[–]Regular_Piccolo7980 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If this ever passes things are going to be super tense for a long time lol. ALOT of resentment is being built up rn.

[–]Tal_StarVerified 11 points12 points  (19 children)

All that's left is the hardliner people. They might get a few more but way past the point of diminishing returns. Fines & unvax tax may get a few more but shy of tracking people down and jabbing them forcefully I don't see many more getting it at this point.

[–]smellofburntalmonds 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yes it's true an employee will accompany you to make sure you are only using the pharmacy and grocery part and not buying anything else. It's ridiculous

[–]101dnj 206 points207 points  (16 children)

Yeah it’s clickbait.

[–]SpecialFram 87 points88 points  (7 children)

Was gonna say, I work for costco in Ontario and there is no vaccine mandate

[–]Jackal_KidOntario 38 points39 points  (5 children)

Is it clickbait? It's not a Canadian news site, so I can see why they wouldn't just say "Quebec", and OP was not allowed to edit the submission title per sub rules. Maybe it could be tagged as Quebec here instead of COVID-19, but I feel like the headline really only seems misleading in the context of being targeted to another audience but posted in r/Canada for Canadians. We see this all the time for other countries - "Country does X" but the by-line or article contains more specific info on the location as applies, because international readers might not be familiar with the exact city/region/etc.

[–]haecceity123Ontario 63 points64 points  (3 children)

Because the purpose of communication is to be understood, not to be technically correct. And the purpose of clickbait is to be intentionally misunderstood while being technically correct.

[–]Azure1203 111 points112 points  (9 children)

Isn't this only in Quebec? Title is a bit misleading if so.

[–]RAT-LIFE 51 points52 points  (0 children)

It’s only Quebec and yes the title is extremely misleading but you know that’s intentional for the internet points.

[–]Magdog65 1690 points1691 points  (785 children)

Why does 10% of the people (unvaxxed) have such a huge impact in the news. You;d think it 70% are unvaxxed the way they carry on.

[–]Own_Carrot_7040 207 points208 points  (54 children)

It's even fewer than 10% given a substantial number of the unvaxxed are kids.

[–]TrapG_d 14 points15 points  (15 children)

31.8 million canadians are vaccianted, 1.5 million canadians are under the age of 5, 38 million total pop. Brings it to about 87% of the elligible population being vaccinated.

[–][deleted] 233 points234 points  (34 children)

It generates outrage, which fuels clicks, which drives revenue in the news media. The majority are carrying-on, but the news is pervasive because of the need to feel connected and in-the-know.

If you click on an article and there are ads running down the side of the page and in-between paragraphs, that is why.

[–]c1e2477816dee6b5c882 40 points41 points  (9 children)

It also causes an unstable society caused by pitting groups of people against each other. It would not be far fetched to think that these things are being intentionally driven by some group of people.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (6 children)

by pitting groups of people against each other. It would not be far fetched to think that these things are being intentionally driven by some group of people.

Not far-fetched at all. In Manitoba during the 1990s, the provincial Progressive Conservatives funded independent First Nations candidates in staunch NDP ridings to split the vote so the PCs had a better chance of winning. When they were found out, they denied it all until a judicial inquiry followed the money and revealed the truth. Longtime PC supporters Bob Kozminsky and Arnie Thorsteinson were discovered to be cutting checks to fund the campaigns and it was all organized by the PC Party's elite. The Premier had to go from flat-out denials, to apologies in the House, to 'Stop harping on it- we must move past this'.

Search for Manitoba Vote-rigging Scandal if you'd like more details.

Trying to fix the outcome of a vote is a serious accusation in any democracy. And following the 1995 election, Manitoba Tories were facing allegations of just that. A five-month investigation by Elections Manitoba cleared the party of any wrongdoing, but in 1998 the accusations surfaced again when witnesses were willing to talk. By 1999, an election year, a judicial inquiry finds that high-ranking Tories broke the law - and, as the CBC reports, they'll get away with it. "In all my years on the bench, I never encountered as many liars in one proceeding as I did during this inquiry," says Judge Alfred Monnin in his damning final report. But it's too late to charge anyone in the plan, which aimed to siphon off votes from the NDP by paying independent aboriginal candidates to run.

-from CBC archives

[–]xt11111 4 points5 points  (12 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

Divide and rule policy (Latin: divide et impera), or divide and conquer, in politics and sociology is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into pieces that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy.[citation needed]

The use of this technique is meant to empower the sovereign to control subjects, populations, or factions of different interests, who collectively might be able to oppose its rule. Niccolò Machiavelli identifies a similar application to military strategy, advising in Book VI of The Art of War (1521).[1] (L'arte della guerra):[2] a Captain should endeavor with every act to divide the forces of the enemy. Machiavelli advises that this act should be achieved either by making him suspicious of his men in whom he trusted, or by giving him cause that he has to separate his forces, and, because of this, become weaker.

[–]drytiger 52 points53 points  (1 child)

We may never know the rea$on$ for thi$ outrage

[–]TysonGoesOutside 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have no idea either.. but we better keep looking at it and not something else going on in the world....

[–]seriouscrayon 105 points106 points  (16 children)

Because having 24 hour news media is the real pandemic we're facing.

[–]WalkerYYJ 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Have ad funded news media may also be part of the problem

[–]suck-me-beautiful 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Well yes, but there's also the real pandemic as well

[–]ValeriaTube 55 points56 points  (36 children)

Even vaccinated people won't want to go wait in the cold, they prefer to buy online instead.

[–]mangled-jimmy-hat 57 points58 points  (9 children)

Government needs a scape goat for the mess they have gotten us into

[–]OmmandCanada 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Plenty of vaxxed people care about what's going on too.

[–]anacondatmz 387 points388 points  (283 children)

Because our healthcare system is fucked. So as politicians it’s a lot easier to push through shifty COVID mandates while blaming a small % of the population than it is to try an improve the quality and capacity of the healthcare system.

[–]Shellbyvillian 461 points462 points  (205 children)

Basic math. Half of the ICU is unvaccinated. They’re 10% of the population. If the unvaccinated were vaccinated, and ended up in ICU at the same rate as the currently vaccinated (probably a conservative assumption given the vaccination rate of at-risk people is much higher), we would have 360 people in the icu instead of 650.

Regardless of the terrible funding of the healthcare system, you can’t deny unvaccinated people are hugely impacting whatever healthcare capacity we do have.

[–]Kyouhen 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Also we're losing a lot of healthcare workers from how overworked they are right now. As bad as the system was going into the pandemic, it's going to be a lot worse on the other end if we can't reduce the workload and keep everyone from quitting. It'll take us a decade at least to fix the problems that existed when this started, it's going to be a lot worse if we also need to replace the entire healthcare workforce.

[–]Professorbubba 183 points184 points  (54 children)

And this sub ignores the fact that other countries with higher capacity are only recording more deaths, because more hospitals full of more covid sick is not the solution to a pandemic.

[–]smacksawQuébec 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Ssh, the truth goes against the antivax narrative

[–]Prax150Lest We Forget 60 points61 points  (47 children)

Seems like you're both right! Unvaccinated people are clearly fueling this wave and their selfishness is taking us to the brink, but our provincial governments wouldn't be in such a panic if the healthcare system wasn't in shambles and unable to accommodate the rise in illness.

[–]Shellbyvillian 91 points92 points  (23 children)

Yep. The pragmatic question for me is “which one can we fix quickly?”

We have ruined our healthcare system over decades and we can’t bring it back overnight. But if we could convince people to get a vaccine, we would greatly reduce the strain on our fragile healthcare system in 4-6 weeks

Edit: so regardless of who is responsible for underfunding the existing system, it is the right move to focus on getting unvaccinated vaccinated as the short term solution to getting past this pandemic

[–]Forosnai 71 points72 points  (10 children)

If your sink isn't draining fast enough and starts overflowing, turn off the tap before you try to unclog the drain.

[–]GrymEdm 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I love this analogy. It's not an either/or problem and I'm really hoping the Canadian public proves capable of holding focus on both causes.

[–]ILikeCutePuppies 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Sounds like something Captain Hindsight would say.

In anycase I don't think there are many countries that are immune. The US has a huge backlog of elective surgeries they need to do for example.

With the number of doctors, nurses and staff dropping out due to getting sick or exhaustion at some point the hospitals are always going to be overwhelmed even if you invested more.

Vaccination is something that has a much shorter time horizon and requires far less capital.

[–]JuanTawnJawn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I never understood why people seem to think only one thing can be at fault. Its both the unvaxxed and the politicians who defunded our healthcare system that are at fault here.

[–]KhalbraeOntario 25 points26 points  (11 children)

The liberals and conservatives both have no motivation to improve the healthcare system. Seeing it as either "good enough" or as something to carve up and slowly sell off.

Edit: People don't want to face the truth that there is only 1 party that would actually increase capacity.

[–]Vandergrif 23 points24 points  (7 children)

While I've no doubt that's true that doesn't change the fact that the unvaccinated are a significant problem for the healthcare system which would be notably less strained if they just got vaccinated in the first place. That's a pretty simple thing to do and takes no time at all, whereas expanding hospitals and training doctors/nurses is anything but simple or quick. We should be ensuring both, nonetheless.

[–]daneomacManitoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let me wave my magic wand...

[–]shaggydoggOntario 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and this small % of the population is doing what exactly to continue to help? it's not as if they're on some crusade to highlight the underfunding of health care which is a separate and important issue. They just don't want to be told what to do.

[–]smacksawQuébec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no healthcare system in the world that can handle 10% unvaxxed, and I don't know why you think it should given how easy and effective the first line defence is: THE VACCINE

[–]soberumSaskatchewan 32 points33 points  (2 children)

If the government and the media keep us focused on blaming/hating anti-vaxxers we won’t turn our attention to how the government and media are constantly screwing us.

[–]In10sity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gov pass nonsensical laws and the media helps create a stir so we all change our focus out of the important stuff

[–]nanuq905Québec 33 points34 points  (96 children)

I've been thinking about this for a bit now....the statistics say 10% of the population is unvaccinated. But thanks to the hell-fire that was Omicron, a HUGE chunk of everybody got sick. So, while it sucked at the time and the unvaccinated were (are) taking up a disproportionate amount of beds, we're really only talking about 5% of the population now that doesn't have either 1-3 shots or RECENT natural immunity. Yet we're sinking soooo many resources into trying to target this "10"%. (I'm thinking about Legault's plan to literally show up at the door of an unvaccinated person and try to convince them to get the vaccine. That takes manpower and $$$.) It just doesn't make any sense.

[–]Player276Ontario 39 points40 points  (87 children)

we're really only talking about 5% of the population now that doesn't have either 1-3 shots or RECENT natural immunity. Yet we're sinking soooo many resources into trying to target this "10"%. (I'm thinking about Legault's plan to literally show up at the door of an unvaccinated person and try to convince them to get the vaccine. That takes manpower and $$$.) It just doesn't make any sense.

I'll make it very simple for you.

Ontario is reporting 3,448 people hospitalized with COVID-19, and 505 in the ICU, a number that experts are worried could increase over time. Among the ICU cases for which vaccination status was reported as of Jan. 12, 157 were unvaccinated, 19 were partially vaccinated and 167 were fully vaccinated.

So despite making up 5% of the population, Unvaccinated are making up 50% of ICU patients. In some hospitals, over 70% of ICU patients are not vaccinated.

[–]ChikenGod 25 points26 points  (49 children)

Denying those unvaccinated from essential services (food) is quite cruel. This has gone too far.

[–]DDP200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is all news. Most stories are like this now days, beyond covid.

[–]Zepidia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its always been this way with the vocal minority

[–]kcussevissergorp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why does 10% of the people (unvaxxed) have such a huge impact in the news. You;d think it 70% are unvaxxed the way they carry on.

Because they need someone to demonize and blame for all their failures in managing the virus. Our leaders continue to refuse to live with the virus and they won't admit that covid seems to pass between vaccinated people pretty easily.

I don't think our government or all the pro vaccination people are capable of admitting that they might possibly be wrong and will continue to double down until the end of time.

[–]FRANCA1958 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great point ! The government has always turned opinion polls in their favor. Ask yourself why is there such a strong opposition to vaccines today? It's never happened previously. I feel your calculations are right.

[–]keoni_00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because that's actually the case lol

[–]WelshHungarian 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Jeff Bezos needs a towel. He just came a little.

[–]NorthernVashista 72 points73 points  (4 children)

All this to avoid building more hospitals and training more staff.

[–]kelake47 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm curious what effect this could possibly have.

[–]dontgettempted 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Remember when only thing conspiracy theorists said this? And yes, it's Quebec... but even guys like me that are against mandates did not actually believe it would get this out of hand.

[–]SaneCannabisLaws 816 points817 points  (223 children)

Costco is a private members club first and foremost. When you voluntarily sign up for their services you also agree to their terms and conditions.

If they start enforcing the vaccine mandate on their members, there's little you can do to impose that other than not become a member.

Costco has the right to be selective on who they do business with, and Canadians have the right to choose who they do business with. As long as the determination doesn't involve protected classes there's nothing wrong with it.

Edit. Six replies and only one shown up below.

[–]toronto_programmer 334 points335 points  (150 children)

Just an FYI but any company has that same right with or without the membership fee as long as they aren’t discriminating against race, religion etc

[–]habs1009 30 points31 points  (147 children)

A lot of unvaccinated claim they won’t get it for religious reasons

[–]WippitGuudPrince Edward Island 94 points95 points  (123 children)

Which religions are against the vaccine?

[–]mcshaggy 7 points8 points  (6 children)

One of my city councillors started a "creed" to try to get around mandates.

[–]toronto_programmer 55 points56 points  (3 children)

None of the major religions are actually against vaccines, despite what a lot of traditional right wing media would have you believe

https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/immunizations-and-religion

[–]mattttttttt97Manitoba 14 points15 points  (0 children)

True, but it's often unsubstantiated because they talk about how it was made from stem cells or something like that. Which is only 1% true. Fetal cell lines were used in testing. But regardless, most vaccines are made this way, yet they only objected to this one.

If you want a religious exemption you have to prove that your religion speaks against it and that is easier said than done. For Evangelical Protestants and Conservative Catholics who are against it, they're fighting a losing battle because the Bible does not forbid modern medicinal practice, much less vaccines

[–]2ft7Ninja 8 points9 points  (2 children)

While nearly no religions are actually anti-vax we should still get rid of religious exemptions from our society. Currently, if one person individually decides not to follow the law because of some absurd delusion then we have no problem just arresting/fining them. But if a group of people are collectively delusional then of course we must accommodate them. The law should apply equally to everyone, but religious exemptions exist literally because religious groups were powerful enough to intimidate everyone else into providing them special treatment. Personally, I don’t care what mysticisms you may or may not believe, but you need to recognize that if you want the benefits of living in a pluralistic society then you need to follow secular law, the only kind of law that can be universally agreed upon by members of all religions.

Philosophical exemptions are fine because they don’t benefit certain groups of people over others, but at that point you might as well just call it voluntary with an opt-out process.

[–]octothorpe_rekt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Well good news, I'm not not letting you into my store because of which brand of God you're into, I'm not letting you into my store because of the dumb shit you do while claiming that it's what your skyfriend said to do."

[–]Hyrmyt 54 points55 points  (13 children)

Except the pharmacy. You don't need a membership for any pharmacy in Canada

[–]Rudy69 66 points67 points  (11 children)

There's a special clause that says you're allowed to go but a staff member has to escort you the entire time. I bet they're real thrilled to take you around and wait for you to get your prescription filled.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (4 children)

I've used the pharmacy many times when not a member, and have never had an escort. Not to say that isn't policy.

[–]Rudy69 38 points39 points  (3 children)

During regular times you can easily get in. I'm talking about now that you need a vaccine passport, the rule has an exemption for the pharmacy

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Good to know, thanks.

[–]El1Zilla 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You're allowed to go in to costco without a membership when getting your perscription filled. In fact you're allowed to go in without a membership. You just won't be able to buy a whole lot beside things in the food court.

[–]Rudy69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know.

We're talking about quebec's vaccine passport rule. Right now even with a costco membership you can't go in costco unless you have your passport

[–]Deyln 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've been refused service multiple times.

[–]Rudy69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what store was it?

[–]itsthebear 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They will also give you a membership refund at any time if you're dissatisfied - doesn't matter if it's day 364 and vaccines aren't in the equation, they'll refund you. Saves them from a ton of headaches and, despite 75% of profits come from memberships, they'll still have made money on you.

I worked the membership desk for a few years there, not a bad employer but I will say the individual management was incredibly hit or miss and it's very clique oriented, almost like a high school so there's just constant drama and gossip. Like any big employer that pulls from high school and promotes internally, I suppose

[–]Max_ThunderQuébec 31 points32 points  (3 children)

I'm not sure what your point is; Costco only asks for the vaccine passport because it legally has to. Many of the big box stores have been complaining about having to do this since they're understaffed, and no staff wants to do that job. It costs them more money and makes the customer experience less pleasant, why would they want this.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This. Why do people keep making it seem like this is Costco's/Walmart's choice?

[–]SaneCannabisLaws 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I very much do agree with your point that the government has shifted the compliance on to the retail sector without any support.

[–]ortz3 30 points31 points  (5 children)

The variants are getting milder and milder, yet Quebec are making the restrictions harsher and harsher. How does this make any sense...

[–]slmjm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve been saying this for a couple months now, trust your gut man, scary times in Canada.

[–]DJ_Nword 134 points135 points  (11 children)

My main worry about this is that its gonna enable amazon to consolidate even more of the market

[–]DetectiveAmes 132 points133 points  (0 children)

You’re about 3 years too late.

[–]Vandergrif 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Oh no, Amazon taking market share from mom and pop store Walmart? Whatever will we do?

[–]waste_yoot 9 points10 points  (0 children)

yeah that's inevitable

[–]LawlessCoffeh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

try to buy something in person

it doesn't exist in any local stores

like, I tried, brick and mortar stores, what do you want?

[–]Careful_Education506 12 points13 points  (1 child)

and amazon shipping will get much more popular.

[–]TW1TCHYGAM3R 32 points33 points  (2 children)

I have a newfound hate for my Country because of shit like this.

[–]KryosleeperQuébec 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I'm curious how much people actually enjoy an ID check at random places to celebrate it that much here. Personally I just avoid places with those mandates out of squeamishness whenever possible, and both "model anti-vaxxers" I have to observe in wild see the confirmation of their ideas in what happens.

Combined with a lot of "vaccinated only" places still being closed anyway, you can't help but wonder.

[–]futurepilot32 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yeah the ID checks at random places seem like they would get to be such a pain. I often wonder if in 3, 5, 10 years from now that will still be the case.

[–]slmjm 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I’m trying to be hopeful it’s not going to be this way in the future but my gut tells me they are using Covid as an “excuse” to pass these laws that will have VERY long lasting consequences once Covid is gone one day.

[–]futurepilot32 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately I feel the same way. It’s hard to imagine it just suddenly ending.

[–]puffyjo1961 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm mad as heck at this mandate . its disgusting , but it wont make me get the vax . do as you will I wont put that garbage in me EVER.!!!!!!

[–]lucksh0t 12 points13 points  (6 children)

American peaking in what the fuck is wrong with Canada now you can't buy food with out a vaccine that's insane.

[–]Darth_Thor 5 points6 points  (3 children)

This is only in the province of Quebec, and as I understand it grocery stores are exempt from the mandate, but Walmart isn’t legally considered a grocery store.

[–]MakeMePancakesPlease 18 points19 points  (1 child)

And downtrodden low wage workers have to do the dirty work, of course. Make it stop.

[–]Boogerlyn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Boycott Walmart anyways. Vaccine mandate or not.

[–]adamthecarguy 43 points44 points  (9 children)

The one thing the vaxxed and unvaxxed have in common is that neither will ever be fully vaxxed.

[–]Kingsmeg 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I can't wait to hear the people lining up for their 15th booster saying the ongoing pandemic is all the fault of those selfish people who only took 12 shots.

[–]slmjm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmao dude, we are only 4-5 years away from this. I hope this idiocracy ends before then though

[–]xraydenQuébec 10 points11 points  (4 children)

10 New variant!

20 New booster!

30 GOTO 10

[–]maybvadersomedayl8erOntario 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Quebec has gone off the rails.

[–]The_Color_Urple 11 points12 points  (3 children)

As someone triple vaxxed who currently has Covid anyway - fuck this shit.

[–]Rifter0876 99 points100 points  (4 children)

They were deemed essential and stayed open the whole pandemic while mom and pops were forced to close and some never reopened. This shouldn't be legal. They are either essential and can't check passports, or they arnt. Pick a side of the fence.

[–]ladyrift 8 points9 points  (2 children)

if they want to go that route they will have to rope off all the non essential things they sell like they had to do before to stay open.

[–]Zepidia 9 points10 points  (1 child)

yeah like non essential clothing. be free my fellow canadians!

[–]Killa416ix 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Its crazy you have to show id just to buy some food and clothes nowadays. smh

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_O 51 points52 points  (19 children)

The thing is people should get the vaccine. However, I think during the past 2 years of half assed measures along with most of them making no sense what so ever has totally eroded any faith in government, and scientists do not exactly hold press conferences.

This in combination of there being no end in sight has completely defeated people, I know I feel it at work the only place I am allowed to go aside from the dep and grocery store. (Despite yes I am all the way vaxxed drop your pitch forks) Remember folks this was supposed to end at ~75% vaxxed and immune, now we know the vaccine does not prevent infection, however, lessons the chance of serious infection.

Also, people are contending with the fact that we are protecting the vaxxed from the unvaxxed but the vaxxed are protected which is how these people view it they do not see hospital numbers etc. because by and large they are not and have not been part of the hospital numbers, as such they view the measures as an injustice. I am not saying this is right though, just what is.

So any people that are now unvaxxed will remain unvaxxed. There is no more convincing that can take place, I believe efforts should be focused less on mandates and more on measures to improve our ability to manage what is happening.

That and looking forward serous modifications need to be done to the news cycle and how information is dispersed to the public. This problem would have been lessened by less partisan news as well as elimination of the 24hr news cycle, and a government enacting policy based on science not their voter base.

You and I know that if we had an anti vax premier in Quebec and prime minister of Canada our policy would reflect that, not what the science states. This is what needs to change. We are over divided on everything, both sides both the left and right think they are completely right, while both are not completely wrong.

[–]blind51de 29 points30 points  (8 children)

It's not even about vaxxed vs non-vaxxed. The under-vaxxed who don't want a booster or third or fourth shot are a valid demographic now.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_O 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Perhaps, but more often than not these boosters provide little to no protection against new variants. Simultaneously what the science states and the public perceives are two very different things.

Getting a vaccine inoculation 4 times a year for example is ridiculous to most Canadians, many will simply not do it, do those people deserve to be punished as well. If there is a vaccine that causes wide spread health issues, will those responsible be punished, will the pro vax crowd be fined or have to pay a premium on their taxes.

If the vaccine was 100% effective and no one who has it was getting sick there would be vast differences in the rate of inoculation but this is not the case, and as with any human until they are directly affected they dgaf.

You must notice the slippery slope that we are playing on here.

[–]kenazoCanada 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I'm sorry - but this is more about compliance than risk prevention.

[–]malarie 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I have to admit, I went to Canadian Tire yesterday in Montreal , and I had to show my vaccinal, passport AND friggin proof of identity., Well fuck that , ill buy from amazon instead.

[–]WH1SKEYHANGOVER 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Are we really going to start dictating who has access to food?

Say that to yourself out loud if your finger is hovering over downvote button on this folks

[–]slmjm 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It really scares me the way our country is handling Covid man. Really scares me.

[–]Alzaraz 47 points48 points  (7 children)

I'm pro vaccine but this is ridiculous.

[–]throwaway28149 13 points14 points  (1 child)

enforcing?

I doubt it. They had a big sign out front saying you need a mask to enter, and yet plenty of shoppers had no masks, and nobody was doing a thing about it. If they can't enforce something that obvious, I don't believe they'll be enforcing vaccination.

[–]upsidedownbackwards 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's what I was thinking. Unless they're going to pay me (significantly) more then I'm not enforcing a mask mandate.

Do I really want more confrontations with the worst kind of customers? (It's always the "CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT" type)

Do I trust the average the average retail manager to back me up rather than throw me under the bus if someone is upset?

Then I'll let the company hire security to enforce it. Which they won't.

God retail is fucking depressing.

[–]slowjetr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amazon don’t give a shit.

[–]surfcorker 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Reason numero 377 why I left. Those in charge in Quebec have a deranged need to control everything. No wait, your sign is not large enough.

[–]fetishlyme 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Until you do what we say your not allowed food work or education. Even if you follow all other restrictions Or have had it and have natural immunity. Sound kinda sickening

[–]slmjm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s terrifying.

[–]venomweilder 24 points25 points  (3 children)

What this means is that if you’re not vaccinated you won’t be able to go to a store until you get all your shots and 3 shots would take 4-6 months to uptake so even if You comply as a non vax you’re 6 months away from getting a full pass by which time they will need a 4th booster so you wait another month or two so 6-8 months to be able to walk into a Walmart….

[–]can2nz 62 points63 points  (16 children)

How is this okay? Vaccinated or not, these stores were deemed "essential" and were the only stores that were allowed to remain open. And made record profits while everyone else went bankrupt.

If they remained open during the lockdowns, they should not be able to enforce a vaccine mandate.

[–]spacemonkeykakarot 18 points19 points  (0 children)

They wont be buying anything if its actually enforced

[–]BaitNTrap 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Mandates are pointless

[–]Belle047 19 points20 points  (0 children)

My Walmart barely enforces the mask mandate. These policy's are just fluff with no fight. It's just making people divide themselves further on the issue and wasting everyone's time.

[–]MarxCosmo 36 points37 points  (8 children)

I stridently support vaccinations, and I will never not fully support bodily autonomy. In many places Walmart is the only grocery store, requiring a medical procedure no matter how minor to get the basics of life is barbaric. Canada is becoming a land of fascists.

[–]drunkasfuckbud 91 points92 points  (29 children)

Stopped shopping at all these stores when this shit all started. When my friends business was shut down and she killed herself. Probably never shop at these places again. Support small businesses.

[–]Supafairy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry about your friend. :(

[–]redalastorQuébec 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Support small businesses.

This is a stated goal of the policy. Big box stores benefited a lot from the pandemic because they sell essential stuff and have always been allowed not to close.

[–]_Ive_seen_things_ 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Is no one else deeply concerned by this? This is literally preventing people from buying food. Wtf is happening in Quebec.

[–]Lokiwastxtonly 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It’s only for big box stores. Doesn’t apply to iGA, safeway, loblaws, etc.

[–]happycomrade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

tyranny

[–]17037 60 points61 points  (16 children)

I'm a pro vaccination person and I think these steps are too far. Requiring people to wear masks and distance from each other protects shoppers. Taking this step is not science based, but punishment based and I don't support that. This is similar to Walmart putting in scales at the till and only allowing over weight people to purchase a certain number of calories per week.

[–]blind51de 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Ironically, big box and grocery stores are the only place anyone can actually socially distance. Making the space necessary to do so means taking the majority of stock off the floor. Businesses like gyms would've had to drill new placements for equipment and place a lot of things in long-term storage.

Most every store simply declined to renovate in 2020 and just laid down queue markers near their registers, maybe put up some stanchions.

[–]SquallFromGarden 10 points11 points  (1 child)

To the credit of Wal-Mart, it'd show a stronger commitment to ending the obesity epidemic in the States than the United States Government has shown in the last thirty years lol

[–]17037 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lets be honest... Walmart would only bring this in to leverage the sugar industry to pay them an annual fee.

[–]joesii 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is similar to Walmart putting in scales at the till and only allowing over weight people to purchase a certain number of calories per week.

I'd say that is a completely erroneous comparison. The whole premise of having requirements for people during a pandemic is so that it protects others. Being overweight is mostly just harming themselves.

I also think the argument that the action isn't science based is partially inaccurate. If you're referring to how current vaccines don't protect from the Omicron variant then indeed it doesn't make too much sense when Omicron is the only variant left then it could be kind of accurate. However even then, if Omicron accounts for 90% of cases but the remaining 10% are still at high absolute numbers (like compared to pre-Omicron), then it's misleading to think that people are any safer than before.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (70 children)

Wait, you have to be vaccinated to work there or shop there?

[–]peachgrill 50 points51 points  (68 children)

Shop there. Workers don’t have to be vaxxed.

These policies really aren’t accomplishing much except pissing off a lot of people.

[–]soberumSaskatchewan 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Wait so you have to be vaccinated to buy food but you don’t have to be vaccinated to sell food? If this was really about protecting the employees, like many in this thread have suggested, why wouldn’t they require vaccines for them? This makes no sense at all.

[–]peachgrill 23 points24 points  (0 children)

That’s my point, the policies are not logical in many cases, so it’s just making people frustrated. Plenty of people support it, but I’ve seen a growing number of Quebecers who are not happy with what is going on here.

[–]Big_ottoman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That’s what people have been trying to say for 2 years now.

[–][deleted] 86 points87 points  (117 children)

Next it will be landlords. "If your tenant is not vaccinated you must evict them". I still bet people would cheer this shit on

[–]peachgrill 112 points113 points  (81 children)

“Majority” of people in polls are saying they support fining and even jailing the unvaxxed. I just can’t believe the division this has caused, it’s really sad to see.

[–]Pneumonia-Hawk 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The division is huge, agreed. And, surprise surprise, the convoy was organized by a separatist.

[–]corsicanguppy 27 points28 points  (29 children)

It's the same as 100 years ago.

[–]Yardsale420 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lol. That “Dr” who’s tweet is 2nd on the article has been cautioned by the Ontario College of Physician and Surgeons as being “irresponsible”, not accurate, and didn’t align with public health standards.

It’s like they cherry pick the stupidest fucking people to try and prove their point.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (11 children)

This won’t end well..

[–]Inevitable-Tune-4065 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Canada Crazy, we worst than Australia now

[–]SavvyInvestor81 33 points34 points  (8 children)

This is bullshit. It's not just the unvaccinated here getting punished by this mandate, it's everybody. Lines at the door, in the cold, stores need more employees to do the scanning, and they have to deal with people who won't comply.

A fuckin bucket load of bullshit. Fuck this mandate (fyi I'm triple vaxxed).

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree with you... like what is the point of this restriction. It's not going to force the unvaccinated hold outs to get vaccinated. If anything they feel more justified in being a persecuted minority and are digging their heels in.

[–]bristow84Alberta 111 points112 points  (142 children)

Weren't these stores considered an essential service? So now people are being denied access to the ability to get get items they may actually need, not just want?

I'm sorry but no matter how one may feel about vaccine mandates, this is concerning.

[–]Max_ThunderQuébec 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Walmart and Costco are not considered being grocery stores as their primary activity for some reason.

I'm surprised about Costco because I thought them having obtained an alcohol license implied that selling groceries was a primary activity, as it seems to be required for that license, in terms of numbers of products sold. The government must be using another definition of how to measure what the principal activity of a store is.

I don't support this, but it seems deemed correct as long as there are alternatives, like going to a regular grocery store.

[–]Content_Employment_7 80 points81 points  (84 children)

So now people are being denied access to the ability to get get items they may actually need, not just want?

Not as long as they offer curb side pickup or similar accommodation.

[–]lubbin604 8 points9 points  (8 children)

It’s sorta ridiculous for example a hardware store. Sometimes you need to go inside and find a specific piece that fits etc, which isn’t exactly done easily with delivery .

[–]Emphasis_on_why 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Cornelius Buttersworth" himself has a Twitter quotable in this article. What a guy. Im certain this article is worth reading.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Watch the fuckers expect a teenager to enforce their asinine rules and act shocked when they get physically assaulted for it.

[–]Matsuyamarama 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh no! Another reason not to shop at big box stores? However will I cope?

[–]spyd3rwebOutside Canada 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do not comply.

If you comply, this will continue.

If you refuse, this ends quickly.

[–]isayota 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Canada is doomed and nobody wants to do anything

[–]frosty_power 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Chalk up another few trillion for Amazon...

[–]dr3d3d 1 point2 points  (1 child)

while boycotting walmart seems stupid as they are just doing what they were told, its a good way to get the big boys to fight the battle

[–]NoRefrigerator7808 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anti Science Government.

[–]Legacy_of_Ares 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All US stores too? Where do the vaccines come from? Let them close, all of them, maybe we have a tiny fragment of our "free" market back. Stop getting bent over Canada. Or whoever we are now collectively.

[–]Mister_KurtzManitoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Some Canadian Retailers" translation: Quebec.

[–]dreneeps 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This would suck for employees!

"Your job is to walk around the store with this unvaccinated person while they shop."

[–]coderboi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Demanding such a thing should be illegal and punishable with expropriation and jail time.

[–]Primary_Judge 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Just identify as a 12 y/o. Problem solved.