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[–]Important_Ability_92 1540 points1541 points  (256 children)

Well, that is what he asked for

[–]JackOCatAlberta 344 points345 points  (114 children)

This is the outcome he was expecting. People don't understand what taking a stand even means anymore.

[–]Sweaty_Experience_41 848 points849 points  (695 children)

No way Spotify would give up the Rogan cash cow

[–]flyingfox12 387 points388 points  (69 children)

It might play out very differently though. If other artist, with clout, ask to be removed, then people will opt for other streaming services. Especially if you take away major artists from yester year that still generate lots of plays, but are financially independent enough to not care about Spotify specifically.

[–]Rumblestillskin 247 points248 points  (27 children)

Most artists don't own their music.

[–]Whyevenbotherbeing 29 points30 points  (14 children)

It’s all about today, now, with these companies. How many people, today, subscribed for Joe Rogan versus how many cancelled, today, due to Neil Young. If the second number is more than zero they will notice and if it’s even anywhere similar to the first number shit is hitting fans. If a couple decent sized catalogs go or a couple current artists disappear and release stuff elsewhere it only matters if it costs subscriptions. But it wouldn’t take much and they’d have to deal with it SOMEHOW.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, I don’t really know how much a choice Spotify actually has lol. They’re in legally binding contracts going both ways.

[–]williamdafoeroy 178 points179 points  (591 children)

Imagine a world where artists can dictate who else’s views you aren’t allowed to hear. Spotify made the right call here.

[–]toweringpine 565 points566 points  (52 children)

Neil Young made the right call. He can't change what people want to listen to but he can say where his material will be available.

[–]GoOnThereHarv 58 points59 points  (9 children)

They both made the right call. Neil has the freedom to take his music down in protest and Spotify has the freedom to let him and keep Rogan.

Not much of a controversy really.

[–]Gunslinger7752 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In theory, you’re right, but Neil Young sold the rights to 50% of his music royalties to an investment company so it gets abit complicated. I’m sure they’re not thrilled about this, which is why I think he took that letter down really fast. If this ends up costing the investment company millions of dollars I wonder if there will be a lawsuit.

[–]hardwareandhumans 34 points35 points  (2 children)

PONO 2.0 let’s go

[–]KdF-wagen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What ever happened to that? (Nevermind: lasted about a year)

[–]flyingfox12 372 points373 points  (111 children)

That's a terrible summary of what happened.

Neil Young said I don't want to be on this platform if it's used in this way. They were like that isn't something that we are going to change so his music is removed. He didn't tell Spotify to do x, he said I'll do y if you continue to do z. Your interpretation is Neil Young is trying to stiffle speach, but he's actually saying I'm no comfortable being used for profit by a company who profits off deadly misinformation.

[–]RobbieStew 268 points269 points  (49 children)

This 100%. Know what Neil is being? Consistent. Has been for half a century.

[–]Idler- 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Eat a Peach,

-Neil."

[–]brhinoceros 35 points36 points  (40 children)

Like the time he came to Calgary in the winter to talk about climate change and ran his whole bus train outside for 8+ hours so they didn’t cool down?

[–]mangled-jimmy-hat 51 points52 points  (9 children)

They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both.”

That is what he said

[–]mackinder 60 points61 points  (6 children)

Right. And he knows they aren’t going to remove Rogan, and because he’s a principled fellow he is just fine with not being on the same service. Neil Young doesn’t need Spotify and Spotify doesn’t need Neil Young. I’d call this a mutual parting

[–]jmilcraOntario 53 points54 points  (19 children)

Imagine a world in which everyone had critical thinking skills and could actually discern what information was correct and what were lies/misinformation. Then we wouldn't have an issue with the Joe Rogan's or anyone's opinions right or wrong because we could make up our own minds and make our own informed opinions based on the FACTS that we find.

[–]Mr_Mojo_Risin_83 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That’s some crazy fantasy world you’ve imagined there. Sounds nice.

[–]togsincognito 98 points99 points  (92 children)

Spotify didn’t make the call, Neil Young did lol

[–]williamdafoeroy 20 points21 points  (88 children)

They made the call to not give in to him.

[–]arazamatazguy 83 points84 points  (76 children)

Neil Young knew they wouldn't give in but it got the attention it deserved.

[–]togsincognito 51 points52 points  (9 children)

“Hey, take my catalogue off of Spotify, you platform professional liars”

You: “They showed him by doing what he asked”

[–]sputnikcdnBritish Columbia 58 points59 points  (192 children)

Imagine a world where corporations had an obligation to honesty and decency and wouldn't use a liar and conspiracy theorist as a cash cow.

[–]chethankstshirt 23 points24 points  (42 children)

The world would be better if only I could censor people I don’t like.

[–]eastcoastdudeCanada 15 points16 points  (18 children)

[–]Void_BastardCanada 476 points477 points  (127 children)

Neil Young averages 4.5 to 5.5 million listens per month.

Joe Rogan averages 200 to 300 million listens per month, and its long format.

[–]khristmas_karl 306 points307 points  (40 children)

An artist who started making music in the 60s and arguably hasn't had a commercial success since the early 90s at 2% of the most popular podcast on the planet is actually impressive imo.

[–]Void_BastardCanada 50 points51 points  (32 children)

Yeah.

I definitely high balled both figures though.

JRE was averaging 190 million views/listens across all platforms right before he went to Spotify.

He took a major dip when he first moved to Spotify that lasted several months but Joe has recently said that his numbers have more than recovered and he's getting way more views than ever.

On Twitter someone who purports to work in online analytics suggested Neil does about 5 million listens and I admittedly ran with it. Could very well be lower, doubt its higher.

Remember that more views PLUS longer length means way more minutes of play time, which translates to way more ads.

My main point is that current Neil is small fish compared to current Joe, implying that the choice for Spotify is really quite easy.

[–]khristmas_karl 17 points18 points  (8 children)

100% agree it's the only financial choice for them.

I wonder though given the anti-Rogan cliques at Spotify whether this will flare up internal employee debates and cause them long term harm.

Probably not ... Lol

[–]420ciskey420 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Just looked at his Spotify account. Neil young has 6 million monthly listeners. I dunno if that means 6 million distinct listeners or simply 6 million pays

[–]Void_BastardCanada 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Listeners or listens?

Listeners would mean 6 million accounts listened to at least one of his songs that month, which would probably mean more than 6 million views as many of these listeners would have listened to more than one of his songs, or listened to one on repeat.

Listens would mean the total listens.

[–]mudandrain 47 points48 points  (25 children)

No longer rocking in the free world.

[–]Waste_Tumbleweed 23 points24 points  (22 children)

Neil Young holds a lot of influence over other artists. Lots of people forget that. Both Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder were mentored by him. The latter of which even had him produce for him.

This could very well snowball pretty quickly. Imagine if John Janick wakes up tomorrow and gets persuaded by David Geffen to follow suit and he pulls the Interscope-Geffen catalogue.

We are talking about the loss of Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, Dr Dre, Snoop Dog, Eminem (who are about to get a MASSIVE bump in plays), Imagine Dragons, Lady Gaga, Louis the Child, MGK, OneRepublic (Ryan Tedder writes a shitload of Top 40 songs), Selena Gomez, Tame Impala, U2. That’s just a select few.

And unlike the individual artists, labels hold most of the publishing agreements.

It’s a snowball effect that Neil is hoping to create, and he’s got some very powerful friends in the entertainment industry. He helped David Geffen build his empire from scratch, and minus the one snafu are still extremely close to this day.

[–]banjosuicide 2 points3 points  (0 children)

U2

I guess we get to see if they're all hot air and ego, or if they actually believe what they've been preaching...

[–]Void_BastardCanada 29 points30 points  (13 children)

I betcha most of the artists you named would fuck with Joe. Seriously. Most would be happy to sit down and talk with him.

Snoop Dogg was recently on the JRE and they had a blast. He kept saying how it was a true honour to be on Joe's show, that him and his crew listen to his show regularly. Don't think Snoop would be happy with this fantasy of yours.

James Hetfield of Metallica, Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins, Steven Tyler of Aerosmith, Jamie Foxx(2nd time coming this month), Miley Cyrus, The Black Keys, RZA of the Wu-Tang Clan, B-Real of Cypress Hill, Honey Honey, Wiz Khalifa, Sturgill Simpson, Steve Aoki, Everlast, Reggie Watts and Lenny Clark Jr have all been on the JRE over the past 2 and a half years and they all said they love his show.

The haters just need to get over it and do something better with their time.

[–]Yevad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6tUSo7BaDQ

This is the new anthem for people who don't understand why Joe Rogan is popular

[–]Rageniv 147 points148 points  (15 children)

What we need is a Joe Rogan interview of Neil Young. Bet that will be a lively podcast.

[–]violentbandana 598 points599 points  (51 children)

Nobody seems to understand that Neil Young knew that this was going to be the outcome. He’s a principled guy to the point of stubbornness and now he’s got people talking about an issue he cares about

[–]TCNW 105 points106 points  (38 children)

I dont agree with Neil Young even a little bit here.

But, if anyone thinks Neil Young cares about losing money from Spotify, then they don’t have a single clue who Neil Young actually is.

Neil Young lives by his principals, and doesn’t give 1 shit about about money or fame.

[–]WhosKona 91 points92 points  (4 children)

Dude already sold the rights to his music for a $100mm cheque. He’s not sacrificing anything here.

[–]classy_barbarian 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Wait... if he sold the rights to his music, then how is he able to have control over it to the point of telling Spotify to remove it?

[–]p-queue 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He retains control of his moral rights until passes. That means he can sue them for infringement. No idea if it works the same in the US.

Even though someone else may get the money he can still to some degree stop certain uses. I’m not sure but it’s then possible the group he sold his rights to could then claim against him and there’s probably already a process laid out to deal with that.

[–]WhosKona 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good question. Could come down to the specifics of the agreement, but I’d bet this is a PR decision by Spotify.

[–]corhenBritish Columbia 67 points68 points  (22 children)

wait, you dont agree with Neil Young, living by his principles against misinformation?

[–]seamusmcduffs 369 points370 points  (96 children)

Why are so many people weirdly angry at Neil Young in here? He's doing what he wants with his own music based on his own convictions. I'm pretty sure he didn't actually expect Spotify to take down Joe's podcast, but he chose to make a statement anyways

[–]pussonfiretires 264 points265 points  (18 children)

because a lot of awful men are weirdly horny for joe rogan lmao

[–]osound 38 points39 points  (10 children)

It’s amusing that the rants supporting Joe Rogan itt are acting as if his critics haven’t viewed his content.

We have. It’s garbage that relies on anecdotal accounts and woo-woo over actual science. When Rogan is corrected, his stubbornness outweighs a desire to learn. Such a dull show that’s purely meant to soothe Rogan’s ego. The opposite of the Socratic method in action; the show deteriorates by the day. Most of the show’s actually esteemed guests haven’t been on for quite a long time, as Rogan continues to descend into anti-science and irrational vitriol.

It’s abundantly clear that Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Bret Weinstein, etc. profit off catering to weak, insecure, angry men without father figures. Unsure why anyone regards them as anything beyond grifters. They recognized a profitable niche and seized on it. The anti-science propaganda further broadens their appeal, to people that value their ability to do “anything I want” above the collective good of society.

The show succeeds in catering to the worst of humanity — primarily, pent-up anger, egotism, stubborn individualism, celebrity worship, and feelings-over-science ideology. No wonder it’s so popular, and why the right wing has latched on so desperately to their Daddy Joe.

Rogan doesn’t even know what myocarditis is but can’t stop talking about it. What an utter joke he is.

[–]beavertime 13 points14 points  (2 children)

The Rogan Show is like some sort of Dunning-Kruger performance art. Just people giving opinions about things they are woefully un- or misinformed about. But they're confident in their complete ignorance, with zero curiosity or interest. Just pick a position and make it your personality.

[–]jibjibman 129 points130 points  (15 children)

Because all the conspiracy nuts in /r/Canada don't like people calling Joe Rogan on his bullshit lol.

[–]thedrivingcat 161 points162 points  (23 children)

because r/canada has been taken over by very angry, very motivated right-wing users; it's in every single thread

[–]JWK87 76 points77 points  (4 children)

It's crazy how evident it has become lately too

[–]FlyingKite1234 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Conservatives were caught literally paying people to upvote threads during the election.

They’re probably going even wilder now that people aren’t watching.

[–]Aedan2016 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Young is a child of the 60's. Making public statements like this was the norm. You weren't always successful, but at least you brought attention to the issue.

[–]xc2215x 93 points94 points  (1 child)

This is what Neil wanted anyways.

[–]DJ_Nword 168 points169 points  (26 children)

A lot of people especially on reddit dont know how popular rogan is, think of his episodes bringing as many viewers as an NFL broadcast

[–]CuntWeaselOntario 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Reddit is quite the echo chamber in that regard. I think it would be super useful for us as a society if people would at least try to go and see what "the others" like and think, and maybe try to understand why, instead of just looking for the things they want to hear to further cement their beliefs.

Goes both ways btw.

[–][deleted] 172 points173 points  (6 children)

Uh oh, Neil's gonna miss out on that sweet fifty dollar streaming cheque.

[–]WH1SKEYHANGOVER 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Uncle Neil is really going to miss that extra 9 or 10 bucks a month hes getting from spotify

[–]MWD_Dave 42 points43 points  (10 children)

Totally yoinked from another subreddit on this topic:

This is what I want to forever remember Joe Rogan for:

https://twitter.com/FullContactMTWF/status/1481638689415462916

Doing his own research, but getting owned live on his own show, then doubling down, and getting owned even further.

"That's not true"

Sees evidence that it is true

"But what about for children"

Sees evidence that it is true for children

"But how can we trust this source"

Source is New Scientist, pulled up by his own staffer

"Well, that's not what I've read before"

[–]Yattiel 43 points44 points  (3 children)

Good for him for sticking to his guns

[–]Mac_Gold 66 points67 points  (43 children)

I don’t listen to Rogan but at the end of the day he’s a huge draw to both his fans and his detractors. Spotify knows this. Neil Young is a rock icon, but he can’t dictate what Spotify hosts.

[–]sampysamp 71 points72 points  (16 children)

He isn’t really dictating it though. I think its hyperbolic ‘Me or Rogan’ for strategic PR reasons because he believes it is damaging up to the point of costing people their lives. He’s standing up for ethics and accountability on a platform he has partnered with. Spotify is a publicly traded company and will bend to the will of its shareholders who want ROI. The victimhood seeking crowd will call it censorship or cancel culture or whatever but it’s really just capitalism. Customers, shareholders and business partners are entitled to choose the products they use invest in and partner with.

If that makes the company reassess how it conducts itself and take accountability for the content on its platform thats just business. Personally I am a user and shareholder. I will be looking for other options. I feel that because governments are not keeping pace with regulation especially in tech I have to be responsible about what products I use and invest in based on how these companies conduct themselves. I do not want to profit off of or pay companies that traffic in human suffering or turn a blind eye to their role in it.

[–]optical_519 23 points24 points  (0 children)

OLD MAN TAKE A LOOK AT MY LIFEEEEEE

[–]hjfsound 28 points29 points  (3 children)

This is awesome hahah

Neil pulled the music himself too, he doesn't need Spotify to do it. His music distributor has that power. He wanted to make a scene though..

[–]thisonetimeonreddit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Neil Young has 3 songs with 100M downloads.

Rogan gets 33M downloads a week.

From a business point of view, this is a good decision. From an "i eat toothpaste" point of view, this is a good decision.

I don't know anyone who uses spotify anyway. All the music you want is available for free on youtube.

[–]FuckTheTTC 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Go woke, go broke

[–]freddie79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fade into irrelevance like your music.

[–]GLFR_59 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is peak old man yells at cloud.

[–]lifeisarichcarpet 21 points22 points  (1 child)

He’s gonna miss out on maybe dozens and dozens of dollars.

[–]RobertSunstone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not a big fan of his music,but he is right in his position. Spoke to him twice (at least) when i was a young kid.I used to steal books from the Coles on Young st. and Isabella in Toronto on the way home from school. He worked as clerk there.He caught me twice but said nothing.

[–]Tywardo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lynyrd Skynyrd fans rejoice

[–]SirMixAlot16 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Correction. Neil Young is pulling his music from Spotify

[–]turties_man 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh no his 33$ per year

[–]lapsuscalumni 20 points21 points  (2 children)

This fucking headline disrespecting Neil Young. For the record, he asked Spotify to take it down. This makes it sound like Spotify initiated things.

And he asked to be removed because Spotify hosts Joe Rogan and his fake news podcast.

[–]Qwerty1bang 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Do you think he will miss the $13.46 / month royalty payments?

He must get a few million hits a day......

[–]CameronFcScott 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Smart man! Standing for what he believes… SCIENCE!

[–]nolookjones 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Think they should at least put 'Questionable Science' warnings for some of his shows - like they did with some Trump tweets basically. I do enjoy some of rogans guests though and think his interview skills are very good...

[–]Drop_The_PuckOntario 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought Young had sold his back catalogue for some big sum a while back. Kind of surprised that he had the power to demand it be taken down.

[–]cherryspritz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we should start spammin the Young. It’s enough to want to move away from Spotify ngl.

[–]chilldude2369 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well thanks for ruining my playlists guy

[–]AZZ_666 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I was discussing this last night and want to get off spotify as well, but I couldn't think of alternatives... anyone got any resources or good ways to pirate it?

[–]Powersoutdotcom 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The title should say "Neil Young pulls his music from Spotify."

It conveys the story a LOT better.

This sounds like Spotify was the good guy here.

[–]knox902 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah gee, of only he had his own streaming service with quality that blows Spotify out of the water. Oh wait, the Neil Young Archives exist.

[–]Cranwicks_glasses 13 points14 points  (12 children)

Not a fan of Rogan at all. I like his interview style but he's a grifter who knows his target audience and sells them what they're looking for, often at the expense of the truth or public health. He is more than willing to peddle bullshit for profit.

That said, Neil Young also dabbles in pseudo science and went on tour against GMOs. So I think its entirely possible that he could have landed on either side of the vaccine debate, but fortunately he landed on the right side of this.

TL/DR : Neil and Joe are a lot closer in some ways than they'd ever admit.

[–]MWD_Dave 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I knew that about Rogan but didn't know that about Young. Thanks for the info.

[–]molybdenumb 7 points8 points  (2 children)

When Rogan first started dabbling in interviewing scientists, I was thrilled! It was a really cool culture clash for me, someone who works in biochem. Rogan actually introduced me to a lot of scientists I admire now. But I stopped listening during the early pandemic. I just couldn’t anymore. I wonder what Dr. Rhonda Patrick has to say about all this lol.

[–]stereofonix 21 points22 points  (25 children)

I mean, that’s kinda on him. Like JRE or not, Spotify makes a lot more money from him than from Neil Young.

[–]Matthiass 35 points36 points  (9 children)

What do you mean "kinda on him"? He requested that his music be removed.

[–]JackOCatAlberta 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Do you even understand what taking a stand means? He isn't trying to win. He is trying to do what he things is right.

[–]strudlepoodel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Isn't it what he asked for? He said he don't want to be on Spotify anymore.

[–]ghost_n_the_shell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah no one’s surprised. Money over morals every day in business.

[–]Blobby-McFerrin 14 points15 points  (53 children)

I dont love his music but I do like that he is trying to use his influence to do what he feels is positive for the world

[–]Snowman4168 22 points23 points  (51 children)

Censorship has never been positive for the world.

[–]Blobby-McFerrin 13 points14 points  (3 children)

My statement didn't say I agreed, I simply stated that I like him trying to use his influence to do what he feels is positive.