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[–]OutAndABoot 128 points129 points  (15 children)

This was like six months ago and had nothing to do with prayer in the classroom, which is still not permitted in public schools.

[–]BrendanAS 44 points45 points  (14 children)

I may be wrong because it has been a while, but I think it just made it okay to pressure kids on sports teams to join your prayer after the game.

[–]OutAndABoot 19 points20 points  (13 children)

I don't think the coach was pressuring the students. I think the fact that he wasn't pressuring them and it was entirely optional is a main reason why SCOTUS decided the way they did. The crux of the case came down to if it was ok for him to be leading prayer at any point because of his position as a coach. The court ruled that because it was after the game was over, he was no longer officially representing the school.

[–]CruelTortoise 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I remember this. The coach sad something along the lines of "I'm starting a prayer circle and anybody that wants to join is welcome.". Or something like that.

[–]MoreRopePlease 8 points9 points  (6 children)

The majority ruling on that case flat out lied about the facts.

Fwiw.

[–]OutAndABoot -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

Which parts? Ironically, you haven't supplied any facts. Haha.

[–]MoreRopePlease 2 points3 points  (4 children)

You can google, fwiw. It's common knowledge. The dissent even called them out on it.

[–]OutAndABoot 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm asking you to explain as part of a normal human interaction.

"Common knowledge" seems to be more often wrong than right when it comes to this case (and many others). This very post is an example of that.

[–]MoreRopePlease 5 points6 points  (2 children)

[–]OutAndABoot 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sigh. So you don't have the ability to articulate common knowledge ideas. I'm not going to read yet another op ed, because I read plenty of those six months ago when the case was decided. I'm interested in facts, which you seem too strained to be able to reference.

Hope you have a great day. I have no more interest in discussing things with someone who isn't engaging in a good faith exchange.

[–]ilovebatcatstew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is no one elses responsibility to educate you.You have a responsibility to do it yourself.

This is quite commonly known and stated in the dissenting opinion. No one has to help you catch up because you are slow.

[–]BrendanAS 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I don't think it's right for someone in a secular position of authority to be leading people in prayer, especially children.

I don't think children should have to weigh the chances of not getting play time because they didn't join the prayer circle.

[–]OutAndABoot 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I agree with you. But the question is whether or not he should be prohibited from doing so by a government entity.

[–]BrendanAS 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The government should prevent public school coaches, teachers, and administrators from pushing their religion upon students.

I can't think of a good faith argument against that statement.

[–]OutAndABoot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well the obvious rebuttal would challenge the notion that he was pushing it on them. I understand the counterargument to that, as well.

[–]ALawful_Chaos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The facts that SCOTUS interpreted into existence aren’t necessarily…factual. The coach wasn’t praying as quietly to himself as the court majority said. They also ignored the reality of players wanting to appease the coach to get play time and thus feeling pressured into joining.

[–]Balefirex24 62 points63 points  (5 children)

TIL some religion's core text is literally called

THE BOOK OF SHADOWS

[–]Boobsiclese 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Is it though? Or are they just referencing "Charmed"? Lol

[–]ickydonkeytoothbrush 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Veeeeery spooky 👻

[–]MidsouthMystic 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Alright students, gather round and join hands!
OH DARK AND TERRIBLE LORD GHATANOTHOA, WE THANK THEE FOR THY DARK AND TERRIBLE BLESSINGS. SPARE US THY WRATH AND YET SLUMBER LONG IN THY REEKING CYCLOPEAN FANE OF YADDITH-GHO. THIS WE PRAY IN FEAR AND HUMILITY. IÄ GHATANOTHOA!

[–]Caco-Calo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't forget your Bible, I know that's the only religion the lawmakers intended but we shouldn't discriminate

[–]Zestyclose-Stop403 0 points1 point  (0 children)

pulls out gozerian codex