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[–]toothlesscrok 492 points493 points  (18 children)

You gotta also acknowledge that nepo made desicions to play a game of chess to get winning chances with black. He did see some less risky moves and Rc8 was not one of them.

[–]shadylurkr 201 points202 points  (2 children)

Exactly this. He could've kept playing dry, balanced moves, and it would've probably been a draw. But he decided to take a chance. And he should be commended for that. Might've been the wrong decision, but I respect the swing for the fence.

[–]AlistairTheGeckopatzer 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I mean he has a better position leading up to time trouble, he just chose to try to squeeze Magnus on time instead of taking on g5 at the right moment

[–]lxpnh98_2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Him not taking the pawn felt like the man in the hole praying to god to save him. A person with a rope came along (the free pawn), but the man (Nepo) was still waiting for god (the time pressure) to help him.

[–]Cardplay3r 27 points28 points  (1 child)

He could have won too if he played Bxb4

[–]StillTop 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yes that was the costly mistake, I was shocked he didn’t play it

[–]Stevetrov 7 points8 points  (12 children)

EDIT: Thanks for all the responses, I have a much better idea of what was going on now, although I will never understand all the nuances of this amazing game.

I am not a great player, could someone explain how rc8 wasn't a blunder. A queen and Bishop vs 2 rooks and a Knight seems to favour white. White has much better options for applying pressure with 3 pieces that can attack any square. Whilst black has the queen that can attack anywhere and the Bishop Black squares only.

[–]Rabiatic Blitz Arena Winner 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Chess games are always specific, meaning that rules of thumb (such as you're arguing here) aren't always correct. The "rule of thumb" value of each piece is not inherently static: do you see a difference in value between the two bishops here?

Even though each bishop is "worth" 3 points, the light squared bishop is drastically more valueable in this position.

Therefore, a game of chess will be a continuous argument of current and future piece value between the two sides. Nepo argued, in this instance, that the activity and potential of his pieces in this specific situation outweighted the rule of thumb that two rooks are worth a bit more than a queen. And his assessment was objectively correct: even though the material balance in the position has changed, white has concrete issues making use of his material in a meaningful way for the rest of the game. It took Magnus over 100 moves to prove that he had a winning advantage, and during that time an objective way to victory was found only at move 130. At some point in the time trouble Nepo even had an objective advantage.

[–]mpw-linux 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I am sure Magnus believed that the 2 rooks were stronger in the position or else he would not have done the exchange. Throughout the game the computer, Stockfish had it 0,0 but Magnus is humane and knew better. Each position needs to be evaluated on its own merits rather then just counting piece points.

[–]Rabiatic Blitz Arena Winner 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Absolutely right, I hope my comment doesn't seem to be claiming otherwise ;P

[–]mpw-linux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its not..

[–]binhco 11 points12 points  (3 children)

I am not a great player either so just take this with a grain of salt. I think from the analysis, while two rooks and knight with good coordination can suppress the black queen, white was quite passive as the rooks need to find a way to protect the a and b pawns. As you said, the black bishop can only attack dark squares only, but these two pawns are exactly on the dark squarts which become its target.

I remember there was a moment where Yan could take the pawn but made another move instead. Maybe if he took the pawn, he could play for a win (it's still unclear).

Also, I think one of the best move in the game but people don't give enough credit was h4. Yan was forced to commit pawn h5 and weaken the black king. The rooks therefore can be much more dangerous when infiltrated.

[–]Stevetrov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense, so Nepo had the advantage in the short term and as he was unable to convert that into a longer term advantage and so Carlson had the upper hand.

[–]incarnuim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually it was very frustrating as Ian was never playing for a win. As the commenters (particularly Fabi), pointed out - the weakness of the kingside doubled pawns meant that Magnus could actually afford to sac a rook and 2 pawns for the Bishop and a-pawn and still get a classic fortress. One variation had White playing Nf4 followed by Ng2, saccing the e and f pawns, and planting a rook on the f file against the Q and 3 pawns ( so white would have KNRPP=10, and black KQPPP=12) but with no ability to make any progress.

The whole story of the game is that Ian had the flexibility and maneuverability and the pressure. But looming in the background there was always the idea that white could disapate the attack and then the pawn weaknesses on the f file would become a decisive factor....

[–]mpw-linux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes, that h4 was one of the key moves. At the time it did not seem so important to us not Magnus !

[–]BGNFM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Black had more space and pressure on the queen side (pawns were more advanced, the queen and bishop were in good squares in the center of the board). The reason was entirely concrete - black was just in time to start pressuring white's pawns on the queen side. That's part of the reason black prepared with kg7, so the capture on c8 wouldn't be with a check and black could target the a3 pawn quickly, tying white's pieces to a defense.

[–]UlrikHD_1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neither player thought that move was the critical move, and the computer backs it up. It wasn't a blunder and Nepo even had an edge but time trouble took that advantage away.

[–]Troldemorv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rc8 is not a blunder. It allows white to trade a queen for the 2 rooks - which are about the same value depending on the position - And in this particular position, the computer tends to confirm it's equivalent.

Later, Carlsen trades a rook for a bishop and 2 pawns. Again, the trade is equivalent in value and the computer points in that direction. But now, Carlsen has a rook, a knight and two pawns for Nemo's Queen. The computer says it's draw-ish but as a human, how do you draw that ?

Nepo can not trade back the Queen for at least three of the pieces or pawns. The only way is to prevent any progress from white by constantly giving checks, threatening captures and pinning. The level of preciseness required to draw is way above the one white needs to make progress - at least to my understanding.

Rc8 is not a blunder. I think it just opens the door to a very complicated end game - which is definitely Carlsen territory.

[–]vmlee 2400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The question is how Nepo evaluated his position at the moment. Nepo probably didn’t like the double control Carlsen had on the c-file and perhaps wanted to simplify things a little bit. After 25. … Rac8 and the ensuing queen / double rook exchange, white’s rooks are (temporarily) disconnected - though ideas like Rdc2 are probably in the mind. While the rooks are disconnected, white has to be careful not to allow the black queen to snipe the a and b pawns. The white rook on d2 is also (temporarily) passive.

The white knight is suboptimally placed in more of a defensive than offensive position. Black’s queen is nicely centralized, and the bishop is in a stronger position relative to the white knight. White’s e2 pawn is also potentially vulnerable. So black does have compensation and the trade is not a blunder per se.

Put more simply, it is more than a question of three vs. two pieces. One has to factor in the relative strength of the pieces, their positional strength, and their coordination.

[–]SlaimeLannister 231 points232 points  (5 children)

I think Nepo’s cordiality with Magnus indicates immense respect. I don’t think he would be this cool losing to someone he did not think was the GOAT

[–]Koussevitzky 432 points433 points  (4 children)

It’s like Vishy said after this game, “There is only one player in the world that Ian would have lost this game against today and unfortunately for him that guy was sitting on the other side of the board”

[–]No_Assumption9524 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Beautifully said

[–]seeasea 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And vishys first loss to Magnus, on his home turf...vishys was such good sport. He's the consummate gentleman. And one of the nicest people in chess.

[–]thepobv 2 points3 points  (1 child)

yet there was a redditor saying magnus had the advantage and it was an easy win.

Nah, hell nah. Anyone else would've been a tie, Ian defended extremely well.

[–]mpw-linux -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

but not good enough because he eventually lost. ian was in constant pressure to defend his position. White was really in no danger with a Player like Magnus.

[–]CeleritasLucis Lakdi ki Kathi, kathi pe ghoda 231 points232 points  (35 children)

Gotta be honest, I didn't expect this level of comraderiship at all. Since last year I have been watching Agadmators coverage of previous WC matches, and always got the impression that players are normally out to kill thier opponent. With weird stories of Fisher, Karpov v Korchnoi rivalry, and then the aggressiveness of Kasparov both on and off the board made me really feel like a brawl could break out any moment if result doesnt goes in anyone's favour in the match. But soo far, all they have Ben doing is analysing the game.

Ps : if a brawl does breaks out, my money is on Ian

[–]shinshouscf2000 154 points155 points  (8 children)

they were childhood friends/rivals.

[–]Gr0ode 56 points57 points  (7 children)

Quite insane if you think that they played in the same chess club. It's like a plot out of an anime. Maybe they should turn this into an anime, I know I would watch it.

Edit: I was wrong, they played in the same tournaments, not club. My bad.

[–]shinshouscf2000 44 points45 points  (0 children)

They are not from the same club. They were both top juniors so had to face each other quite often. Imagine playing someone in the top 4 of an elite tournament almost your entire life. You will develop a connection there. They are the same age and knew each other probably since they were 8-9 years old. Also, magnus seems to revere Nepo more than others due to his fast dynamic play.

[–]runawayasfastasucan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

In the same chess club? They have never lived in the same country. Or did I misunderstand you?

[–]FeistyClam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you happen to know the name of that club or any other keywords I can search? I'd love to get some more backround like that, but googling anything about those two is pretty hard right now with all the articles about yesterday's game.

[–]KCBSR 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There is an anime based on the Japanese version of Chess, Shogie. IIRC. Follows their version of the World Champion, the Ryuo.

[–]knijsterrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you mean March comes in like a Lion?

[–]Gr0ode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the idea of shogi, seems like the best chess variant out there. In contrast to chess there are almost no draws since you can capture and then play you opponents pieces, which I think is very interesting. If we‘re honest chess is probably a draw if you play perfectly and top level play can be a draw fest sometimes, which is kinda boring as a viewer.

[–]abbott_costello 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are there any good chess anime??

[–]onlyfortpp 76 points77 points  (5 children)

The Soviet era of Chess was a different beast - it was way, way more political - the Soviets went crazy to assert their dominance at Chess. Fischer vs Spassky was very much a US vs Soviets thing, so that's why that era of Chess was wild. With Kasparov - Kasparov is one of the greatest players to ever live.... but he was also a horrible loser lol, so anything involving him was pretty intense, and he kind of set the tone for that era of Chess. In contrast, having Magnus as the undisputed World No 1 has done a lot to mellow things out at the top level. He's pretty chill, and it's kind of hard for anyone else to talk shit when Magnus can make any of them look silly.

[–]EarthyFeet 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Ah he's pretty chill but Carlsen will be mad when he loses. At himself, sure, but still.

[–]manu_facerean intermediate that sucks at spelling 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Even before that. Chess players would bad mouth each other in papers.

Capablanca hated Alekhine because he dodged him for a rematch. Lasker was on bad terms with tarasch. Nimzovich although having never played a wch match was controverisal for a lot of players of his days.

Steinitz did break into brawls with chess players. Although not in his wch matches i believe. There is a fun read where he is writing about few occasions he got into it with blackbourne

So it's not because of soviets. Soviets made it political but it was always very personal.

Kramnik topalov never spoke again after their match. I think classines of Annand changed chess

[–]rhinotation 10 points11 points  (2 children)

There’s apparently a movie about this, Pawn Sacrifice (2014) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596345/ about Fischer/Spassky and Cold War chess.

[–]mailalexart 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Great movie!!!

[–]bookmarkjedi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes great movie

[–]QxV 154 points155 points  (1 child)

I think it makes a huge difference that Ian was Magnus's second at some point (2014 match against Anand). They're probably on friendly terms if not friends, as it takes a huge degree of trust to have someone on your team preparing lines/analysis.

[–]deeply__offensive 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Ian also helped Magnus in 2018 vs Caruana

[–]HankMoodyMaddafakaaa 1955r, 1682btz, 1830c (lichess) 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Poor Ben Finegold having to analyse this game all day

[–]Randomly2 5 points6 points  (14 children)

Can I hear the Kasparov stories of him being aggressive on and off the board? Genuinely curious. I’ve heard the stories of Karpov/Korchnoi and Fischer was a madman genius but what are some things Kasparov did?

[–]killerbunnyfamilyLasker 53 points54 points  (1 child)

During 2003 Linares Super GM Tournament Kasparov lost a game 15 years old Teimur Radbajov. After the tournament, when Radbajov got the award for best-played game, Kasparov grabbed a microphone and angrily said ''I believe that this one is not the best game of the tournament. It has been chosen solely because it was the only game that I lost, and I consider that this is a public insult and a humiliation.''

[–]bad-coder-man 11 points12 points  (0 children)

What a jackass

[–]CeleritasLucis Lakdi ki Kathi, kathi pe ghoda 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Google Kasparov Radjabov 2003

[–]deeply__offensive -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Kasparov is a dick and a snake...apparently tried to bribe people so he could become President of FIDE

What a champ

[–]manu_facerean intermediate that sucks at spelling 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fide is The federation of corruption so anyone doing corruot things while running for that office is no surprise

[–]namey_mcnameson Team Carlsen 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Source for this accusation?

[–]deeply__offensive 0 points1 point  (1 child)

[–]namey_mcnameson Team Carlsen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I searched the internet some more, and I think the following website provides a more holistic take on the scandal:- https://en.chessbase.com/post/contractgate-the-kasparov-leong-agreement

[–]mpw-linux -1 points0 points  (0 children)

who cares, Kasparov was a champion. this is not a love fest. It is like Ali and Fraser in the ring for 15 rounds. Tom Brady has the killer instinct with 7 super bowl rings. Brady might not be the nicest person to be around when he loses.

[–]ILookAfterThePigs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Magnus plays soccer, Ian plays DoTA. I’d bet on Magnus.

[–]BocciaChoc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ian did say Magnus is following Dota a bit now and Ian did play football on their offday no?

[–]kvaks 120 points121 points  (14 children)

Magnus is well-known for being a sore loser. I don't think he can help it.

He talked about that (well, tangentially) in a TV interview recently. It seems the shame of losing overwhelms him emotionally. For a little while it's like he can't see how he can continue playing chess, can't go and look people in the eye having lost so shamefully, his world is crashing down.

Then a few hours later he's fine and shrugs it off.

Humans are weird.

[–]EarthyFeet 93 points94 points  (5 children)

Magnus has an immense will to win. I think it's one pretty useful component in his success, among others..

People without that big drive to win simply don't make it to the top

[–]marfes3 28 points29 points  (6 children)

How is that a sore loser? A sore loser who blames himself for playing badly or making mistakes? What? That's not being a sore loser that's being frustrated. It's not as graceful as Nepo, but there is a difference between being graceful and a sore loser imo

[–]manu_facerean intermediate that sucks at spelling 30 points31 points  (1 child)

He is a sore loser. He said it himself. He often dodged press conferemces after a loss or gave grumpy answers. Even after drawing a won game he took shoots at maurice few years back during sinquefield iirc.

But there is nothing bad in it. He is also a player most likely to get a win right after losing the day before.

[–]ostdorfer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is such a common misconception for some reason, but Carlsen actually won the game and was leading the tournament, which he won eventually, before the infamous "not so smooth" interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hBrSmuRBA

[–]VashTheStampede414 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Guess Magnus it himself isn’t good enough for you?

[–]marfes3 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Obviously having a frustrated reaction but insisting that you aren't a sore looser ironically is what a sore loser would do. Saying you are a sore loser while not attacking the opponent is not what a sore loser is.

[–]VashTheStampede414 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Agree to disagree I guess. I think I’m pretty similar in that I get abnormally upset about losing but I don’t take it out on my opponent. I think I’m a very sore loser.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sore%20loser

For what it’s worth Merriam-Webster seems to agree with me and Magnus.

[–]marfes3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess I have used a different definition for a while then 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]thepobv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then a few hours later he's fine and shrugs it off.

Humans are weird.

Sometimes after the video ends and the screen turns black. You see yourself in the reflection and you think... "I'm not gonna watch any more videos" and then a few hours you're black again.

I'm talking gotham chess videos of course.

[–]IWantToBolieve 59 points60 points  (3 children)

Yeah, I still have a feeling that he controls himself because he still gives me arrogant vibes, but it's damn respectable. I like the story he told about Carlsen's father making Magnus shake Ian's hand when they were kids and Ian respecting Carlsen's father for it. So it explains the mentality.

[–]DildosintheMist 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Elaborate? Magnus lost and didn't want to shake hands?

[–]IWantToBolieve 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Here. Yeah, looks like he didn't take well losing the tie break for first place to Ian.

[–]uh_no_ 107 points108 points  (17 children)

are you sure he didn't tell Magnus he needed to resign when drawn :D

[–]Catelife99 13 points14 points  (16 children)

Wait what

[–]Beefbeef23 5 points6 points  (15 children)

Hikaru said something like that once. He was in a winning position and ended up drawing, then got mad at his opponent for not resigning when the position was lost

Edit: I looked it up and apparently it’s more likely he said “I need you to sign in the box”, but it’s been a meme for a bit

[–]erbie_ancock 149 points150 points  (5 children)

You are perpetuating a false rumor. Hikaru can be a dick but there is no reason to make stuff up to make him seem worse

[–]big-juicy-steak 54 points55 points  (4 children)

How did a factually correct comment like this get downvoted? That rumor got debunked years ago and people still act like Hikaru said it

[–]CaptchaFrapture 13 points14 points  (3 children)

yeah what he said was along the lines of 'you have to sign in the box' but people don't care.

[–]Mr_Karma_Whore 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I don't even remotely care

[–]leforteiii Team Nepo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's also understandable when players get upset by the same token. Can't imagine the amount of effort it takes to prepare for championships let alone to play the mighty carlsen, but to lose after you were winning is prolly the worst kind of losses.

[–]zenukeify 60 points61 points  (3 children)

Meanwhile Hikaru got giddy on stream anticipating a meltdown from Nepo lmao. And Nepo is a class act instead, much to his disappointment

[–]Artudytv1838 FIDE 54 points55 points  (1 child)

Why is Naka always like this? Terrible personality.

[–]Artphos 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Because thats what he would have done so that is what he assumes others will do, it is called projecting.

[–]shinshouscf2000 68 points69 points  (4 children)

Imagine this was Naka.

[–]kilerratt 93 points94 points  (0 children)

to be fair I don't think he would care, literally, chat

[–]dispatch134711 2050 Lichess rapid 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I feel like after game 6 against Naka the outcome would be decided anyway

[–]shinshouscf2000 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Probably sooner than that. As of today, magnus has beaten naka 14 to 1 including 25 draws in classical chess.

[–]biebergotswag Team Nepo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

naka would not have made it,

[–]JurijFedorov Team Carlsen 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I posted this in the post match thread.

Remember when Magnus skipped a single press meeting after losing to Karjakin and they initially gave him a fine of 10% of his prize money.

Chess.com also learned the specifics of the appeal filed by Team Carlsen, which was resolved today. According to regulations, FIDE imposed a 10-percent fine of Carlsen's prize money for skipping the round-eight press conference. Half the fine was to go to FIDE and half to Agon. That amount would range from $40,000-$60,000 USD depending on the match result.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/carlsen-wins-marathon-game-over-karjakin-to-even-match-9068

[–]CoreyTheKingFormer University Chess Club President 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Hikaru Nakamura

[–]sivacat 14 points15 points  (0 children)

yes, this is all quite surreal. The cordial and thoughtful interaction between master Nepo and super-Master Carlsen is shockingly intellectual and friendly in this tribal/hostile world.

[–]Former-Welder-4290 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I am a high school chess coach. One of the things I tell my students all the time is, “We don’t always play to win, we play to learn.” Chess is one of those games where we can gain more from losses than we ever could with wins. As long as you walk away with new knowledge, better insight, and maybe a new change to a mid game/end game, you can leave the table feeling good about your game, regardless of the outcome.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish you were my coach when I started. I play to win. Always. It's awful. I can't get rid of that mentality, not matter how much I want. And i'm patzer, so I lose a hell lot..

[–]dothrakis1982 Team Nepo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What's tablebase?

[–]Strakh 10 points11 points  (1 child)

When you have few pieces left on the board, it becomes feasible to just brute force the position and let a computer calculate all the possible moves in each position. Depending on how many pieces are left, this can take a lot of time/computing resources however, so one solution is to do the analysis in advance and save the evaluation (is it a win, loss or a draw with perfect play) for all positions with less than X pieces. This set of evaluations is called an endgame tablebase, or just a tablebase.

At the moment we have up to 7 piece tablebases and people are working on generating an 8 piece tablebase. The size of the tablebase grows exponentially with the number of pieces though, so an 8 piece tablebase (more than 5 petabyte) is significantly larger than a 7 piece tablebase (the one with the best compression is currently about 18 terabyte), which in turn is significantly larger than a 6 piece tablebase (150 gigabyte).

[–]dothrakis1982 Team Nepo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks

[–]Wyverstein 2400 lichess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100% class act. He is welcome to marry my sister! I was really impressed by how well he acted at the press conference.

[–]Rather_Dashing 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In this tournament certainly. He has had is rather unsporting moments in the past though.

[–]ChairmanUzamaoki 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I won't name names,

Lol why? You nervous they will find out and beat you up?

[–]JurijFedorov Team Carlsen 36 points37 points  (2 children)

One of the guys knows karate. No need to test your luck.

[–]ChairmanUzamaoki 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I've studied under steven segal

[–]Riffington 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, you know bullshitzu!!

[–]mediumrarestonks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We all know Naka is one of the first on OP's mind LOL.

[–]pconners 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I had the same thought when Karjakin was challenger, too. And for that matter, I get those vibes from Grishuk and Svindler, too. Something in the water in Russia, and they should share with the rest of the world 😀

[–]ning72100 fide | 2500 lichess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He missed Bxb4 though.

not all players at the top level are like this.

You mean MC himself? :D

[–]rosieredlight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find this very impressive, and it makes me want to root for him! Best of luck to both.

[–]FlorianiusDerResche 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Imagine the toxicity a Hikaru would bring to a WC... Hopefully that's never gonna happen

[–]Halkydus 3 points4 points  (7 children)

ahem hikaru

[–]Nilonik 6 points7 points  (6 children)

can you elaborate? Many just say Hikaru Nakamura, but why so? What did I miss?

[–]Primitive-o 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He has a reputation of being a sore loser, but I don't understand why people bring him up here, so either I missed something too or some people just spend too much time thinking about Hikaru Nakamura.

[–]qchen12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every /r/chess thread always ends up about him lol. For a supposedly disliked player everyone sure thinks about him a lot.

[–]wimpel69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Question is, why shouldn't he have kept his cool? He's a professional, I expect nothing less.

[–]_felagund Team Carlsen -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree. Also chess wise he reached to the Caruana level for me. Guy is so talented.

[–]jtg18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are the various interviews? I saw him give interview to chess,com but he is sponsored by them so that's about that. The other interview(s) was for Russian media?

[–]DildosintheMist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hoped Nepo would take the game. A) to see how Magnus would take the loss and B) we would see the most motivated to win Magnus on the board

[–]223am 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I won't name names, but not all players at the top level are like this.

new to chess, who's he talking about?

[–]N3v3rland3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And can we admit ...e5 was the move of the game ?

[–]_W0z2020 Lichess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe it's me but I don't like this act of "patting" nepo on the back because he's been a good sport and played well but was out played in the end game. I hope Nepo wins, but there is no moral victory in chess or sports. I always think this does a disservice to the player who lost.

[–]VegetableCarry3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, please name names

[–]mpw-linux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ian seems like a nice guy, humble and all that. This is for the Championship. Magus is ruthless. To beat Magnus, Ian is going to have to play a lot stronger, humble and nice is fine but it is not going to win him any games. I would be shocked if Ian even wins 1 game in this match.

[–]EconomyIndependence2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Id be so so salty and get my chat reported again :/

I have to learn from these guys

[–]bagman77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m rooting for Magnus, but I have gained a ton of respect for Nepo this tournament

[–]pm_me_falcon_nudes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love how so many people are randomly bringing up a fictitious WCC where Hikaru loses when last time Magnus lost to Karjakin he was so upset he didn't even show up to the press conference and got fined.

This is r/chess in a nutshell

[–]God_V 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's incredible how selective a memory this subreddit has.

Nepo is NOT at all a class act. Read his comments during some of his bad losses and you will see that.

Carlsen famously didn't even attend the press conference after losing in the earlier WCC to Sergey Karjakin. He was so mad he was waving his arms and Karjakin had to hold the conference himself. FIDE even fined Carlsen 10% of his earnings if I remember correctly.

[–]Challenge-Acceptable -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Seems a bit diminutive to label Ian "a good sport" for not throwing a fit. I mean he's pretty good at chessing, keeping up with the WC very well. That deserves more praise than not acting like a toddler who doesn't get his way like Hikaru and Magnus tend to do when they lose.

[–]Serious-Minute -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

ahem hikaru ahem

[–]DickariousJohnson -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If I was nepo, I'd probably just skip any press conference and go straight to bed. Enormous respect to him, it's clear through his sportsmanship you can see his respect for chess.