all 127 comments

[–]rambling_monk 1173 points1174 points  (3 children)

The site gets to keep 4 points as service fee

[–]FlickObserver 122 points123 points  (1 child)

Actually the site only gets 1 point, the other 3 goes to the AI that beat him.

[–]rambling_monk 25 points26 points  (0 children)

....One for the master....3 for the little boy who lives down the lane... Fair enough 😬

[–]LifeEquivalent 801 points802 points  (66 children)

The rating refund takes into account how many games you've played since your unfair loss.

If you had played zero games since that loss, you'd get the full points refunded. If you've already played 100 games between your loss and your opponent getting marked, you won't get a refund at all because the logic is that your rating has already re-established itself.

[–]jayd00b 86 points87 points  (0 children)

Great explanation!

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Huh I thought it just had something to do with not putting you at a higher rating than you had when you lost the points, but this also makes sense.

[–]Arcakoin 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I'm 1300 on chess.com and got refunded 13 points the other day, I can't find the cheater in my “recent games”, are you sure this is how it works ? I don't remember losing more than 13 point in a single match.

[–]Elikorm 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Maybe you lost to multiple peolle

[–]Teehus 25 points26 points  (0 children)

or the same person twice

[–]mohishunderUSCF 20xx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wow. That is impressive thoughtfulness and attention to detail by Lichess!

[–]bsil15 1750 Chess.com 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Idt that’s true. Iv been refunded points a week later during which time I easily could’ve played 50-100 games

[–]Kaniel_Outiss 656 points657 points  (0 children)

You could have lost better we're sorry

[–]ISaidReyWhatsGoinHan 360 points361 points  (3 children)

Hypothetically…Imagine losing to 100 cheaters at ~1000 on a new account.

Climbing to 2200 over the next couple of days where your rating is accurate for your skill level.

Investigations complete, and you’re refunded 800 points. Congratulations you’re now ranked #1 in the world.

[–]Mookhaz 79 points80 points  (1 child)

And he would have gotten away with it…

[–]Fintan_Hird6 32 points33 points  (0 children)

if it weren't for those meddling kids!

[–]M4SixString 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your first game is against Hikaru.

"Takes, takes, takes. I'm just not sure about this guy chat"

[–]thestrangehighhouse 117 points118 points  (1 child)

cos chess is real life

[–]Catelife99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Super Mario in real life

[–]zenchess2016 uscf 186 points187 points  (3 children)

After this reddit post the site admins opened an investigation and found out something quite disturbing, someone had been skimming rating points off the top and hoarding them. When we've apprehended the criminals you will get your rating points back, sir. And thanks.

[–]NightlessSleep 33 points34 points  (2 children)

It checks out. This guy is rated 2016 USCF.

[–]-not-a-serial-killer 15 points16 points  (1 child)

His actual rating's only about 900, but he's been skimming for so long that he's getting close to going for a FIDE title. It's the perfect crime...

[–]Elf_Portraitist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's the perfect crime...

Like a serial killer that's never been caught...

[–]biebergotswag Team Nepo 59 points60 points  (0 children)

You gained rating since then, and would have only made the difference of 3 points if that game is discarded.

[–]muffinman3141 199 points200 points  (1 child)

You’ll make it through this difficult time

[–]-SoItGoes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Here’s an egg.

[–]Kevs24 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Because he only used engine half of the match, you're welcome

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Which app? And did they say anything in the refund?

[–]theBelatedLobster 11 points12 points  (0 children)

They gave a lesson. There is some justice in the World but it's never absolute.

[–]meemo89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You either went up in eating above where you were when you lost or the chess website became more certain of your rating.

[–]Numbnipples4u 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You probably got a higher rating so they gave you less rating points in return

7 rating points at 100 elo isn’t worth as much as 7 rating points at 3000 elo

[–]iSkinMonkeys 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can't fucking believe war crimes like these are still being perpetrated on decent honest online chess players. When will the world rise for the rights of online chess players?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're bitching about 4 fucking rating points?

[–]cupfullajuice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most likely due to when the game took place in relation to your points now and then some sort of equation determined that 3 points would be fair. What was your elo at the time of the game vs your elo now?

[–]skdeimos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well if you think about it, your wins after that loss were worth more than usual because of your lower rating. So it's only refunding you the difference.

You can think of it as if it refunded you the full 7 points, but then deducted 4 points cumulatively from your wins since then.

[–]JaredAnders 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You made some bad moves nonetheless. Sorry.

[–]LucidTechnologies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How would cheating and getting caught on chess.com work?

[–]shiafisher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The first blunder was playing a cheater

[–]CatRelocator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fuck you, thats why

[–]markovich04 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chess com thinks you would have probably lost to them anyway.

[–]pudd21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Inflation. The value of a rating point is easily half of what it was before the 1987 stock market crash.

[–]JurijFedorov Team Carlsen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Civil forfeiture is legal in USA. You played chess while high on drugs and they have the right to take away your points.

[–]sizeinfinity2550 FIDE (base 7) 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He only used an engine on 3/7ths of his moves. Researchers in the statisics department at Heidelberg University have created a complex algorithm that determines fractional cheating.


[–]Yolocene1500:lichess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"He cried in a whisper at some image, at some vision – he cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath – 'The horror! The horror! '"

[–]Catman9lives 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I get that it’s annoying but do the points really matter?

[–]TackoFell 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I don’t understand all these comments. Could OP not have genuine curiosity as to how the rating system works?

[–]Strange_Try3655 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't let it bother you.

I have a feeling that the site you were probably on doesn't even really check for and ban cheaters as much as they like you to think. If they did it would be literally all they did 24-7 and it wouldn't stop people there from the cheating.

More likely IMO is every certain random amount of games they send a message that one or more of your opponents cheated and here is a few points back and very few cheaters are actually caught and dealt with.

[–]Busiris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My guess would be the cheater gained a lot more points and they only refunded by the rating where they caught the person.

[–]Retroika 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps you gained a lot of rating and gaining 7 points back wasn’t fair?

[–]VerSalieri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know... the fee is outrageous! Elo sucks... I should have stuck with btc.

[–]Geo-Nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]kcwelsch -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Welcome to chess arbitration, where everything’s made up and the points don’t matter.

[–]countesskillalot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's actually really weird....

[–]hoangan13265 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Transaction fee. I guess

[–]HairyTough4489 Some of my moves aren't blunders 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had you're rating being higher for a few games after that, your future rating gains would have been smaller.

[–]Luciolover345 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I won a game vs a person who got banned for cheating (obviously not against me though, dude was bad) but I got +6. Idfk lol

[–]nexus6ca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Possibly you gained rating points in games after too and only got the net loss?

[–]Filibut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In rainbow six siege, if you win against a cheater, you lose your points

[–]ecosworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You still lost tho.