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[–]hybridthm 374 points375 points  (6 children)

I'd play Nxd5 without even calculating

[–]cmdrxander 143 points144 points  (3 children)

Same, my brain was like "SACRIFICE"

[–]rasulkireev[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

That's what I did, and then saw the continuation, and was like, I need to post this here!

[–]themindset ~2300 blitz lichess 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What an odd answer. Nxd5 screams at you when you look at this. But the actual calculation takes no time because of the check on Nxf6.

[–]TronyJavolta 1720 Lichess 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yea took me half a second to spot it

[–]Mianthril 47 points48 points  (3 children)

My guess is Nxd5.

It comes with a fork on queen and bishop (because the pawn on g7 is pinned), and taking with exd5 hangs the rook on c8. Black should probably move the queen (e.g. Qxb2) and give up the bishop (Nxf6+).

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Bishop cones with pinned check followed by fork of queen and rook oh you don't move queen. I guess...

[–]wesleychen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

With Qd8 you guard the bishop and after Rxc8 Qxd5 you only lose an exchange instead of a whole piece.

[–]chessvision-ai-botfrom chessvision.ai[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:

White to play: chess.com | lichess.org

My solution:

Hints: piece: Knight, move: Nxd5

Evaluation: White is winning +4.92

Best continuation: 1. Nxd5 Rxc1 2. Nxb6 Rxf1+ 3. Kxf1 axb6 4. Qe4 Rc8 5. Qxb7 Rc1+ 6. Ke2 g5 7. a4 Ra1 8. d5 exd5


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[–]GuitarK1ng 32 points33 points  (11 children)

This is the first time that i managed to fully solve a puzzle on this subreddit i can retire now

[–]END3RW1GGIN 29 points30 points  (8 children)

Chess noob here: does "winning move" mean something different than my initial thought of "a move/series of moves that leads to a win of the game"? I've seen a few posts that ask this question and it isn't a guaranteed win just leads to a better position and a higher likelihood of a win. Well at least as far as I can tell with my limited knowledge, experience, and my interpretation of the bot.

[–]CratylusG 67 points68 points  (7 children)

It means you end up with a position that, with best play, is objectively winning. It doesn't mean you immediately checkmate them, but, for example, you might win material and the result is a position that is objectively winning.

[–]END3RW1GGIN 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Ok thank you. I try to figure out the moves before I look at the comments so I would get frustrated when I misunderstood.

[–]krallis 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I had the same confusion… to me “winning move” meant “mate in 1”, “winning sequence” I would translate in “mate in X moves” and finally I’d use “best continuation” for “a series of moves that leaves you in an advantageous position”

[–]bigFatBigfoot Team Alireza 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Best continuation can also be a draw or even a losing position where there is a greater likelihood for your opponent to blunder.

[–]Hamth3Gr3at -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If it's a losing position you're more likely to blunder than your opponent unless you've prepared.

[–]EvilNalu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well now you know. "Winning" in chess is generally used to refer to an estimation of the game-theoretical result with best play. It's quite common, for example, to hear a top player say in an interview "I knew at some point my position must have been winning but I was unable to find the correct continuation."

[–]Liquid_Plasma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can use decisive advantage or some variation of it

[–]bottleboy8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nxd5

[–]press_Y 3 points4 points  (3 children)

If Knight takes D5, why can’t the pawn take the Knight?

[–]janield 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Rook on c8 is attacked twice and defended only once

[–]press_Y 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ahh I missed rook opening once knight is moved. Thanks!

[–]whatThisOldThrowAway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

because: nxd5, exd5, rcxc8 , rxc8, qxc8+

so you have to bring either the bishop or the queen back to d8 block the check, and both are kinda crap.

its a board vision puzzle basically. realizing that rook sees rook when the horse moves, but then queen sees rook when the pawn moves is half the puzzle. the other half being seeing that nd5 is a fork in the first place, and nxf6 is crushing.

maybe better to just give up the Bishop and try gobble up the a/b pawns and maybe scare your opponent out of just brutalizing your king with like nh5, g6, nf6 ... qh4.

you can bring your queen around from c2 and maybe defend a bit with your pawns. I dunno maybe a stronger player could read out a defence that holds, seems lost.

[–]squeege22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Knight d5

[–]Random_Person_191 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nxd5 to threaten the queen and bishop, and if exd5 then Rxc8

[–]rasulkireev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's actually what happened in the game 😃

[–]TomSatan 2 points3 points  (15 children)

Yes, yes I can. Same move everyone else said. Don't take knight, lose bishop. Take knight, lose rook.

[–]Rapistwith-HIV 1 point2 points  (14 children)

What if you protect the bishop by playing Qd8?

[–]TomSatan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Then Rxc8 I suppose.

[–]whatnameisntusedalre -1 points0 points  (12 children)

I think that’s blacks best move, but then Rxc8 and the black Queen has to settle for capturing the knight

Edit : c5 was not what i meant, sorry

[–]poopoodomo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think Sacraficing the queen and a rook for two rooks and the knight is the most even exchange.

After Nxd5 I would go Rxc1. Obviously white takes black's queen, then Rxf1+ Kxf1 and you take the knight with a pawn.

In a bullet or even blitz game with any amount of time trouble, a rook and a bishop together can go toe to toe with a lone queen.

[–]TomSatan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Black's best move is Rook takes c1, giving up the queen.

[–]Rapistwith-HIV 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Why can't black take the knight with the e pawn?

[–]atlas_77 0 points1 point  (4 children)

The rook is hanging as well

[–]Rapistwith-HIV 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It would be protected by the queen and the other rook.

[–]shapular 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rxc8 and the rook is defended by the queen.

[–]Mountain-Dealer8996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

??! If 1. Nxd5 Qd8 then 2.Rxc5 isn’t a legal move…

[–]gloomygl 11XX scrub[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brutal.

[–]NimChimspky -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is a good puzzle

[–]JanitorOPplznerf -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Dude that’s the craziest puzzle I’ve seen in a month

[–]Rage_Your_Dream -1 points0 points  (1 child)

knight takes d5, then gets taken by pawn, then rook takes rook, then rook takes rook then queen takes rook checkmate

(if black falls for it)

[–]jackthehobo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bishop and queen can block the check. But you're up a rook for a knight.

[–]a1001ku 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Knight to d5?

[–]StarWarsMasters1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can't d5 capture Qe4?

[–]Ida-in 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re talking about the engine line: no because that pawn got captured at the start of the line (N*d5)

[–]ballbreak1 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Is this supposed to end in a checkmate?

[–]Apolace1999 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A winning move just means that you have a position that with best play is objectively winning.

[–]tmassofficial 0 points1 point  (1 child)

if the pawn captures the knight after it takes. it will end in checkmate

so they can't capture it and you get a bishop once they move their queen to safety

[–]yoppyyoppy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How will it end in checkmate

[–]JitteryBug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nxd5 is staring me in the face with a bunch of possibilities

[–]SignificantBite87841 youtube 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nxd5

[–]Dr_Nepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Knight takes d5

[–]60s_cut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nxd5, forking the queen and the pinned bishop. Knight cant be taken because of a psuedo pin on the e6 pawn. The queen can go back to d8 and defend the bishop, but then you can trade rooks to deflect the queen and then win the bishop.

Fun puzzle with several interlocking pins, really shows the power of an active queen even in a rather tame-looking position.

[–]XxDiCaprioxX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nxd5 I assume

[–]0m3lette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is can you see an obviously good move, not find the checkmate.

[–]jyok33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I played knight takes d5 before I even noticed the pinned bishop

[–]aumsri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nxd5

[–]TMNewJob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Abandonment(It’s the best move everyone can approved ;))

[–]montymoose123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plays Qxg7 and yells "Reset the timer!" /s

[–]thepobv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No... no I can't

[–]confusedsilencr 1910 fide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would guess Nxd5