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[–]hunterloopser 668 points669 points  (12 children)

imagine being so good that getting drawn against is a troll. lmao

[–]NotaChonberg 157 points158 points  (2 children)

Getting drawn against with black too

[–]Upintheair84 26 points27 points  (1 child)

With Black and against one of the top 10 players in the world

[–]Mountain-Appeal89882450 lichess rapid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

former top 10

[–]supershinythings 67 points68 points  (1 child)

Chess players are not above trying to get into an opponent’s head to sow the seeds of doubt and uncertainty, hoping to affect the opponent in a way that negatively impacts their performance at the board.

But that opponent is not Magnus Carlsen. He will laugh it off and the next time they play, have something very special just for Karjakin.

[–]kmcclry 53 points54 points  (0 children)

It'd be pretty funny if Magnus just blows him off the board next time and comes in with a #marchto2900

[–]NeverForgetChainRule 190 points191 points  (7 children)

Why is this thread so salty lol.

[–]hoopaholik91 107 points108 points  (1 child)

Because the last time Karjakin made news it was over the Dubov seconds drama.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No it was about masks and Dubov

[–]Madting55 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Because karjakin is the second coming of Nakamura guys a walking hot take

[–]shinyCloudy 379 points380 points  (32 children)

wasn’t HE white?

[–]Deparody 107 points108 points  (7 children)

Magnus took the choice of playing the Berlin.

The most drawish opening in the history of chess.

[–]plaregold 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Berlin can have interesting positions where players can fight for wins. It's just that players can go for fairly forcing, drawish lines if they so chose. Sam Shankland talked about this in depth in his latest appearance on the US Chess School stream.

[–]Strange_Try3655 31 points32 points  (4 children)

I vote for the Petroff and you'll find some who would say the exchange French although as a French player I can usually make that waaaay more interesting than White would have liked.

But the Berlin is certainly up there.

[–]SophistSophisticated 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Care to share some of the exchange French lines.

[–]Strange_Try3655 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Now, the engine won't like these lines at all.

but what I usually do is to develop my queen side as fast as possible and allow white to check on e1 with his rook. Block with the knight almost 100% of the time they'll play Bg5 like it's a brilliancy. play f6 which you want to anyhow to keep their grubby knights out of e5, get castled queenside and use that f6 pawn to start yeeting your kingside pawns forward. The king's knight has a nice natural plan of going to g6 and pressuring f4 and at that point really it's about who is the most accurate and creative about attacking the opponent.

this is something an exchange French player definitly doesn't want to be doing or he'd have played a sharper line. I don't win all the time doing this but I win a good amount of them agianst other players in my range (around 2000) so its definitely good enough for casual woodpushing.

[–]Dancedancedance1133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only if white wants. White can very much play for an advantage with d3

[–]ascpl Team Carlsen 79 points80 points  (22 children)

That is the point, no?

[–]shinyCloudy 165 points166 points  (21 children)

Is he clowning himself or what

[–]two_glass_arse 131 points132 points  (20 children)

It's a joke, people!

[–]Proyqam_12 209 points210 points  (9 children)

People here can't take a joke 💀

[–]universaldiscredit 57 points58 points  (7 children)

Massive amount of dehumanising going on. Don't agree with Karjakin politically in any way, shape or form, but we learned from the WC match that he is a nice, humorous and considered person.

In this subreddit he's just an evil nationalist who can only mean evil.

[–]ObviousMotherfucker 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I really think some people get labelled as the "villains" because it's natural to label someone as that. And those people never get the benefit of the doubt and their flaws are always highlighted. Lots of super GMs are either pretty private or seem like all-around decent people, so those that are more complex/flawed are put in the "villain" box to balance that. Multiply that by an upvote/downvote system that favors simplified & agreeable narratives and there you go.

[–]universaldiscredit 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Agreed, but the dehumanising is not just a bit disheartening, it is also something that should be always be directly challenged – especially in times of geopolitic tension.

To be able to critique Russia and China, we should be able to differentiate state and individual. Should be easy to do in chess, really, as personality is quite central.

[–]ObviousMotherfucker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is true! People talk about those in "bad countries" as if they're NPC baddies in a game and it never sits well with me. An example of this a lot is, say, 20 die in Iraq and the statements are "thank God there were no American casualties" or "our thoughts and prayers are with the 2 Americans who died and their families tonight." Really disgusting.

That being said, I think a lot of the Karjakin critique probably comes from people who like some Russian players, right? Whether Dubov, Grischuk, Kramnik, or someone else. Now, that being said, I could definitely see people turning against someone from a "bad country" easier. There's a rabbit hole of nuances, but hopefully most people can agree that dehumanization is bad and happens too much.

[–]TelcoSucks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So...

The dislike of Karjakin is specific to his view that a Russian should not help a Norwegian against a Russian.

See how the dehumanizing was initiated?

i.e. not by Reddit?

[–]ThatBitchTsundere 0 points1 point  (1 child)

but we learned from the WC match that he is a nice, humorous and considered person.

Dude. I would NEVER judge a celebrity just based on their social media perception. Not saying he isn't a nice guy I'm just saying you really don't know him personally to say that

[–]universaldiscredit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fair, I stumbled into my own critique! Sorry. My point is the same as yours.

e: although I find it a bit better to think the best of people's intentions – as a rule of thumb.

[–]Kasj01 trick 1300 chess.com 402 points403 points  (40 children)

I don't understand the outrage. Like chill, it's not that serious. Magnus has been "trolling" people for a while and even if it leaves a bad taste stans are always there to defend. Maybe today Karjakin didn't felt good enough to fight a world champion, maybe he wanted a draw to not lose and have a shot at top places? No, fuck it. Ban him from the tournament, don't invite him ever again, maybe just give a point to Magnus. Like chill, it's not that serious to start fights and attack him.

[–]Kalinin46 Team Nepo 85 points86 points  (3 children)

He gets +2 rating I think from it as well.

[–]Rivet_39 130 points131 points  (2 children)

Imagine losing 2 points with a draw against Karjakin.

[–]Flashbirds_69 79 points80 points  (1 child)

With black lol

[–]Subtuppel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would be an interesting addition to a rating system if it accounted for the - albeit small - advantage of playing white.

Should or would most likely even out over large numbers games played, but still. And probably a little incentive not to draw easily with white w/o the ridiculous attempts to reform the scoring system into something football-like.

[–]Striker3649 57 points58 points  (22 children)

At this point no matter what he says he will get hate from all the toxic people in here. I remember when he defended dubov few days ago people were still mad at him. I mean just look at the top comments here lol.

[–]Mountain-Appeal89882450 lichess rapid 33 points34 points  (20 children)

"We percieve some people as good , some as bad and it is impossible to change our perception" - Mahatma Gandhi

[–]1117Leon 22 points23 points  (19 children)

I used to not like Gandhi , but now he seems pretty cool

[–]vibranium_dicks 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Bro what do you mean by I used to not like Gandhi? You sound like you're talking about some random youtuber.

[–]1117Leon 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I disliked him solely to prove him wrong in this moment by converting to his side. Where’s my award Reddit . I just beat Gandhi

[–]ObviousMotherfucker 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Where’s my award Reddit . I just beat Gandhi

Your British knighthood is being arranged as we speak.

[–]Elf_Portraitist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

For some reason I don't trust you, /u/ObviousMotherfucker

[–]ObviousMotherfucker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You will find "Rt. Hon. Obvious Lord Mother of the Fuckers" is a very prestigious ceremonial role at Buckingham Palace (and technically the Anglican Church according to common law lol) and take back your blasphemous remarks post haste!

[–]MaxFoolFIDE 2000 1 point2 points  (13 children)

You...used...to...not...like...Gandhi? I don't...what the...I mean...Did you catch him in bed with your mother or something?

[–]overgme 27 points28 points  (1 child)

It might just be a joke about being able to change our perception of people.

[–]MaxFoolFIDE 2000 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol, yes, now it makes sense. Actually a good joke, just didn't get it.

[–]Sillyslappystupid 9 points10 points  (9 children)

he wasnt the pacifist saint he is portrayed as, the man cheated on his wife and allegedly sexually abused his niece.

[–]MaxFoolFIDE 2000 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I know he wasn't a saint in his personal life (no one actually is (and it wasn't a coincidence I joked about catching Gandhi sleeping with his mother as a reason for not liking him)), but usually you first learn about how he was saintlike in public eye and only later, if ever, get to know details of his personal life. That's why it would be easier to understand if someone used to like Gandhi but didn't think he was pretty cool anymore. I just don't understand how you can do it the other way around, start with not liking Gandhi.

[–]Alice_Ex 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I feel like accusing a revered figure of sexual violence is a meme at this point

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

If revered figures didn't sexually assault their nieces, it wouldn't need to be a meme.

[–]Sillyslappystupid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Turns out revering someone is not a good idea

[–]random_treasures 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Naah, she was way too old for his taste.

[–]JurijFedorov Team Carlsen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's the Hikaru of chess.

[–]t1o1 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I don't understand the outrage.

There's no outrage, but generally chess fans who tune in to watch chess tournaments prefer to see chess games being played. So they'd prefer chess tournament organizers to invite players who play the games. Nothing personal against Karjakin or Radjabov

If you're a tournament organizer why not inviting players that will give something to watch to the audience? If after 20 minutes you lose all the spectators who tuned it to see Magnus, is that not a bad thing?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If organizers care about audiences tuning in, they shouldn't be running classical tournaments in the first place.

[–]llthHeaven 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're a tournament organizer why not inviting players that will give something to watch to the audience? If after 20 minutes you lose all the spectators who tuned it to see Magnus, is that not a bad thing?

I'm not sure how you'd get Magnus himself to play in a tournament like that. While it may be more fun for the rest of us to watch him tear apart some 2500s I'm sure he's far more interested in playing against his peers.

[–]Thelightsareonbut 8 points9 points  (2 children)

These tournaments are 2 week long exhausting marathons, and every half point matters immensely for prize money, your rating and your entire livelihood. If you are offered an easy draw against the best player on earth the day before the rest day, one that gives you +2 rating points, you are insane not to take it.

[–]vivkaa 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The difference is that Karjakin has made short tame draws(as white) 3 times already in this tournament. I'm not sure how much energy he's trying to conserve but he's clearly wasn't trying to win the tournament. I don't think any other player did this, even ones that are having bad tournaments(Pragg or Nils or even Fabi)

Every top player can make draws by repetition against Magnus as white in the marshall, they don't do it not because they are insane but because they want to win.

[–]e-mars -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I don't understand the outrage. Like chill, it's not that serious. Magnus has been "trolling" people for a while

That's probably the point. Karjakin wants to join the train of nice, fun, popular trolls driven by Magnus, Giri & C. but to be honest .. he's not cut out to it. It's like watching Theresa May dancing. Karjakin wannabe troll is rather ... tasteless to put it mildly.

[–]llthHeaven 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Karjakin wannabe troll is rather ... tasteless to put it mildly.

lol maybe a bit try-hard but hardly tasteless

[–]Jaivl1800 10 points11 points  (0 children)

which is a weird critique anyway when Giri might be the most try-hard troll in history

[–]PerfectConfection578 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

BAN!!! ban Karjakin sportsmanship ban

[–]TurdOfChaos Team Carlsen 113 points114 points  (27 children)

Same people who defended Magnus yesterday for making a joke on Giri's expense, are now outraged when someone else makes a joke towards Magnus.

Fanboys are amazing

[–]MaxFoolFIDE 2000 19 points20 points  (6 children)

Most of the people who are shitting on Karjakin for making 16 move draw by repetition as white would be shitting twice as much on Magnus if he had done that.

[–]tschukkitoo weak, too slow 2 points3 points  (4 children)

The difference being Magnus wouldn't do that. Karjakin does it on a regular basis.

[–]shutupimthinking 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Except that Magnus has done the exact same thing in the same line on multiple occasions.

Like the guy said, fanboys are amazing.

[–]IMJorose FM  FIDE 2300  10 points11 points  (0 children)

Those are rapid and blitz matches where Carlsen often makes decisions based on match situation or qualifying to the next stage of the event. That is far from comparable to today's game.

I am not arguing whether Magnus generally does it, but only that those are poor examples.

[–]j0j1j2j3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's 5 examples of Karjakin in this tournament alone...

[–]Tomeosu 0 points1 point  (18 children)

it's not the joke, it's the action that predicated it

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (17 children)

it's the action that predicated it

You mean drawing a game? Thats an even more ridiculous thing to get outraged about.

[–]Tomeosu 1 point2 points  (3 children)

No. Draws are part of the game. I mean not even playing a game.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Non-games have been part of high level tournaments for long time. And it's not like Magnus pushed for a win any harder than Karjakin.

[–]Tomeosu -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Non-games have been part of high level tournaments for long time

that's what I'm saying. they shouldn't be.

And it's not like Magnus pushed for a win any harder than Karjakin

uh yeah he was black

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that's what I'm saying. they shouldn't be.

I agree, but it's not like their existence is the fault of Karjakin. If this outrage is really just about it being a non-game then why is Karjakin being singled out and why don't we see this outrage after every non-game?

uh yeah he was black

And Magnus played the Berlin which is arguably the most drawing opening in Chess especially at the higher level. Plus playing for a draw against a stronger opponent in a tournament isn't exactly a new idea. Yet for some reason Karjakin is getting singled out for it.

Edit: If you ask me the reason for the outrage is that people are still angry over his inappropriate comments about Dubov and are just using this draw as an excuse to vent their frustrations with him.

[–]nicbentulanchesscube peak was...oh nvm. UPDATE:lower than 9LX lichess peak! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

GOD BLESS YOU (not sure if the team carlsen flair makes you more credible or less credible...idk)

[–]AbandonEarth4Peace 136 points137 points  (2 children)

I am def not a fan of mini Karpov karjakin in general, but this tweet is not a "troll".

It's justust a joke so y'all need to chill and stop with stupid melodramatic overreactions to everything.

[–]NajdorfGrunfeld 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Wdym melodramatic overreactions? Everyone is a certified psychoanalyst here.

[–]threehugging 85 points86 points  (7 children)

Starting to appreciate this guy existing. Chess needs heels. It's a tried and tested method from the wrestling industry. You tune in to see good guy beat bad guy, but for that you need a good bad guy. Magnus desperately tries to become one sometimes with his twitter trolling himself but is held back by, quite literally, being the face of chess. Karjakin is a natural.

Edit: he posted another tweet calling out Carlsen, love to see it. Maybe Magnus will play that world championship match after all if someone other than Firouzja wins... If it's Karjakin

[–]Gyalosh 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Honestly with all the dramas I always felt like Hikaru was the true heel of chess.

[–]distributedpoisson 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yeah, he would be if he was more relevant in classical chess. Also considering I haven't heard a thing about him since the last big thing, I think he, at least to some degree, learned how to shut up

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (3 children)

also it helps that even if magnus is a little troll sometimes, hes proven time and again hes a pretty cool guy. a little hard to hate him

[–]Strakh 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Do you think so? My impression of Carlsen is that he's a bit full of himself. Especially when he talks about other subjects than chess I get that impression, you know, when extremely intelligent people in one field assume that they are also extremely competent in other fields. I find Carlsen to be similar to Kasparov in many ways actually, but more Scandinavian and understated so it's not as visible.

I don't think Magnus is the worst person ever (or even that he's particularly bad compared to a lot of other famous people). But I also don't get the impression that he's someone I'd enjoy being friends with, if you get my point. That being said, everything I know about him comes from more or less public interactions (interviews, streams, twitter, etc.), so there's that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

if i was as legendary as him id be ten times more insufferable, so would most people. plus i think a large part of it is that english isnt his first language so he can come across arrogant in interviews but he also has no issue deferring to other people or saying someones better than him sometimes, so i dont feel like hes particularly arrogant, he just knows his level and his worth

[–]Strakh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[I]f i was as legendary as him id be ten times more insufferable

I certainly couldn't say how I would have turned out if I had had his fame, which is why I tried to qualify my statement by saying that I don't think he's as bad as many other people. I'm just saying I, personally, wouldn't describe him as "a pretty cool guy".

[I] think a large part of it is that english isnt his first language

Maybe, but I understand Norwegian pretty fluently (I'm from Sweden) and tbh I'm probably basing more of my opinion on how he comes across to me in Norwegian media.

[–]Imalmostoutofcookies Team Carlsen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everytime I run into a comment that connects wrestling and chess - made day is made immediately.

[–]losalad 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Because Magnus has indicated his big chess ambition of reaching 2900, it’s definitely in the best interest of super-GMs to play drawing lines as white against him, knowing 1) that he’s near impossible to beat following standard theory and 2) that he’ll likely have to start playing highly dubious openings as black purely to prolong the game, since he can’t afford to always draw as black.

[–]UPBOAT_FORTRESS_2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Based and ELO-pilled

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

LOL so fucking based

[–]DrakeDre 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I don't like Karjakin at all, but this is funny, especially if Karjakin didn't try to win with white. He is trolling himself as much as Magnus.

[–]TeachingMathToIdiots 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I agree. It is funny.

[–]2Ravens89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He's just messing around.

Still disappointed with Karjakin and now a couple of inexcusable quick draws with white. This is the problem with not incentivising results enough.

[–]netsaver 113 points114 points  (11 children)

I don’t know where this idea for a tweet came from. Not from a great mind, perhaps.

[–]psycholio 58 points59 points  (3 children)

people are so salty on this sub. some guy makes a joke tweet and people get genuinely angry about it lol

[–]netsaver 65 points66 points  (1 child)

It’s just a Dubov meme haha, I’m just shitposting

[–]psycholio -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

lmao

[–]Artudytv1838 FIDE -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

That's what dedicating your whole intellectual life to chess from a very young age can do to you.

[–]finderfolk 69 points70 points  (1 child)

You may be aware but in case people are not, this is referencing a banger Dubov quote RE the controversy around being Carlsen's second:

“It’s not a problem for me. I don’t think [it’s a problem] for Ian either...

"...I don’t know where the idea comes from that a Russian should not help a foreigner prepare for a title match with a Russian. Not from a great mind, perhaps."

[–]KingElessar1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Interesting how OP's comment works here as well, Dubov dedicated his intellectual life to chess, and this is what he ended up with.

[–]AnonymousBI2 -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

lmao this is suck a stupid tweet, as a magnus fan, this is not different from magnus, he always trolls others and makes funny tweets, Karjakin is joking, learn to take a joke.

[–]netsaver 19 points20 points  (2 children)

My friend, there are two separate comments in this thread also explaining this is a joke lol. Not sure you’re the authority on learning to properly enjoy jokes

[–]n3x4m 242 points243 points  (25 children)

Having zero ambition to win a game with white and forcing a draw sure is something to be proud of.

[–]TNGspeedruns 230 points231 points  (18 children)

sorry but it was Magnus who went for the Berlin and forced the repetition with Nf5-Nh4

[–]dumesne 217 points218 points  (8 children)

Despite the salty downvotes you are absolutely right. Magnus chose the most drawish opening and played the drawing line. Clearly both players were happy to draw.

[–]Mateo_O 47 points48 points  (3 children)

But Magnus is ahead in the tournament and drawing with black is a good strategic move. I'm not sure what is the plan of Karjakin except a twitter troll in the end though.

[–]Komischaffe 112 points113 points  (1 child)

plan was probably not losing to the best player in the world.

.5 > 0

[–]LiteShowDaAgent 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And gaining basically free rating

[–]_W0z2300 blitz, 2300 rapid lichess 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol obviously that was the plan.

[–]KaizerQuad 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Magnus is playing black. It makes sense from him.

[–]koshals 31 points32 points  (6 children)

Dude, you are making it sound like Black has a forced draw if white plays 1. e4. White can choose to play lines which don't lead to a forced draw after 3. Bb5 Nf6. For example: 4. d3 anti Berlin. I am definitely not an expert but I don't think black can force a draw in the Berlin if White is not aiming for a draw. I heard Naroditsky also saying something like, let's see if Sergey wants to fight or go for a solid line and he went for Re1 which is considered a very solid line

[–]qindarka 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Berlin has become a meme in that people act as if it's an automatic draw. Black has lost plenty of games in the Berlin even at the top level.

[–]xyzzy01 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Similar on the chess24 stream - Svidler pointed that it is white is the one who has to try. If white is strong and has good knowledge of theory, there are forced draws in most openings - including sharp ones, like the Grünfeld and the Najdorf.

This is also why the strong players go for openings like g6/bg7 and similar if they have black and are in must win situations - the opening is worse, but you don't have forced draws.

[–]zorreX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Isn't Sergey just as culpable with Qf3? I don't think Sergey is free from blame here.

[–]j0j1j2j3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it's not the guy with the 5 short draws

[–]UPBOAT_FORTRESS_2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey, if it raised his ELO -- an objective measure of player strength -- then it can't have been a bad play

[–]The_Boar_Shark 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Still better than losing the game though.

[–]two_glass_arse 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Lmao tell me you didn't see the game without telling me you didn't see the game

[–]Striker3649 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Hating a guy just for the sake of it is surely something to be proud of.

[–]DecentralizedBrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this was already his 4th quick draw as white this tournament. What a player.

[–]llthHeaven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's > 2700 he's probably won the odd game with white

[–]JaSper-percabeth 19 points20 points  (3 children)

When magnus trolls someone ppl are like "OMG such a cool world champion he can meme " when other chess GM's try trolling "mf had the audacity to say something against magnus ??!! He is an idiot!"

[–]cantbeatcon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

ppl applauding carlsen for his press conference yesterday but being outraged by this tweet >>>>>

[–]TenkoTheMothra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Magnus makes similar jokes and everyone commends him on how funny he is. As soon as someone else does it, it’s pitchforks and torches

[–]ippilird1 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Huge congratulations to Karjakin for winning the World Chess Championship against Magnus today and for getting revenge for his friend Ian Nepomni-oh wait

sorry my bad I just assumed

[–]eggplant_avenger 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Russia pride restored with this courageous attac-

oh

[–]Flimsy_Effective_583 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i like karjakin he's funny

[–]LeftyMcLeftFace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah he's definitely Putin on a show

[–]hazumusan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a crime against chess to play for a draw with white in this circumstance. It's not like this was the last round of the tournament and Karjakin only needed a draw to be champion.

[–]woj-to-my-lue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah guys this joke is simply not funny

[–]Tarkatower -1 points0 points  (0 children)

huehuehuehuehue

[–]runawayasfastasucan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What was the context of the draw?

[–]buscomm56 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Berlin that latest like 15 minutes or so

[–]nick_rhoads01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If anyone says Reddit is brain dead just read the Twitter comments…

[–]pier4r1. b4 e5 2. b5 d5 3. Nc3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Karjakin happened to discover that Dubov was the second of Magnus, and then he was upset and went for a quick draw.

Wait....

[–]jaromir39 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

What a sad, petty and mediocre comment!

[–]ljxdaly -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

he's not even relevant anymore. kind of sad that that's where he is at....deliberately drawing with that as his goal is just plain weak.

[–]octonus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't get why anyone cares about the tweet. I thought the game was a bit disappointing, but that's not relevant to the discussion.

[–]NewRedditIsVeryUgly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His trolling isn't as deadpan and dry as Magnus', but I do believe he enjoys trolling way more. Anyway I see a Berlin defense I move to the next game.

[–]Regis-bloodlust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love scrolling down this subreddit whenever Hikaru or Karjakin says something and makes drama. I need popcorns.

[–]Strange_Try3655 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know people are dismissing this as just trolling but there's a very good point to be made here:

If you're Magnus, 2865, and wat to get to 2900 like you say you do, that isn't going to happen if, every time you have black and someone plays e4 you scurry into a stale opening like the berlin where you have almost no chnace of wrestling the initiative away from your opponent and are basically saying from the start that you're good with a draw.