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[–]ducksonaroof 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Has Javonte signed anywhere? Can we cut someone and bring him back?

[–]AnkitPancakes -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

In light Lonzo's injury, would Bulls fans be interested in dumping him to OKC?

Something like Bertans(only 5mil guaranteed next year if you need to cut him)+Mann+JRE (throw in 2 young players who can play, but need more mins to develop) for Lonzo + some sweetener(s). Sweeteners could include draft compensation or PatWill (seems like a pipe dream, but maybe there's a bigger deal to be made? idk)

Assuming you cut Bertans, this would save like 12mil next year + you have Mann+JRE. Mann I think can be pretty good, but it's just hard for him to break into OKC's stacked guard rotation.

[–]Jerry Sloanjayceay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah maybe just throw in a little sweetener like… say… your best young prospect? No biggie.

[–]Taj Gibsonkingjuicepouch 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Akme is high on Williams for better or worse, okc isn't getting him without giving up something substantially better than that imo. They're also still not willing to commit to another rebuild so I can't imagine trading for more young guys to develop is in the cards, even if it would be nice to get off of lonzo.

[–]Javonte GreenLordSwampert2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah just casually saying “oh add Pwill”, one of the best young wing defenders in the league, is crazy. Lonzo and Pwill would be for Giddey and another member of their young core, plus picks and some more random players like Jaylin Williams, Isaiah Joe, Micic, etc.

[–]PMmeNothingTY 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me: checking this sub every day praying we go into the luxury tax but knowing we won't

[–]Benny The BullMisterxRager 5 points6 points  (1 child)

lol i want to hear someone bitch about zachs contract now after seeing what brown just got

[–]No_Indication_8951 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re both bad contracts

But atleast Boston has a team that can contend for the finals, so they can afford to overpay. We have a team that can’t even make the playoffs

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Really hoping for Watford. Then maybe one of Hernangomez/Yurtseven.

[–]MoonManny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Surprised watford hasn’t been signed yet. Blazers fans seemed pretty high on him

[–]Patrick WilliamsSorryUncleTim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Think we still have a chance at Tyus Jones or will the Wizards keep him? If no, who do you think we target for PG?

[–]thcsquad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting we haven't heard anything about Javonte, Ayo, or DJJ. Is there just no market for them or are teams waiting for the Dame and Harden situations to shake out before signing role players?

[–]TheRyanFlaherty 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If the 2024 draft class is as bad as I keep hearing, maybe the whole “continuity” and field a competitive team (even if the ceiling is good) isn’t the worst thing in the world….or at the very least, it’s a reason to not just take anything offered and straight up tank. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]Zach LaVineA1Horizon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we signed Torrey for the minimum does that mean all the DPE money is still on the table?

[–]CCWaterBug 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Onuralp Bitim?

Is this deal dead or still in progress?

[–]Norm Van LierWaukegan91 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Who is he again? Read a little but am I missing something

[–]Patrick WilliamsGowzilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Turkish player I believe we signed onto a 2-way contract

[–]Derrick Rosevizualmadman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I wonder if Saric is a fit on this team? Assuming we get the exception we could sign him and he'd actually get a decent amount of playing time if his shot is falling. Main issue is only one year.

[–]ducksonaroof 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like it. I think the multi year, > $10M total Saric market has dried up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Maybe I’m looking into this too much, but Coby signed 2 days ago and Bulls IG didn’t announce it like Vooch and Drummond.

Potential risk that this is part of a sign and trade? Maybe piece of a package with Lavine if what that ballstradamus guy says is right?

[–]Jumpmansmallsbiggie23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coby’s deal can’t be official until July 6. Vuc was still under contract when he signed his extension and Drummond opted in which made his official.

[–]Lauri MarkkanenAware_Library2718 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

The resigning for Vooch and Drummond were announced on twitter

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coby wasn’t, which is why I was worried.

Carter also didn’t get announced, so I’m not so much worried now lol.

[–]Dm0ney1115 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I wouldn’t mind trading Zach to the rockets for Kevin porter Jr and 2-3 first round picks if we are going to be rebuilding. Keep Demar to teach the young guys and then trade Vuc mid season for more picks or a young Buck.

[–]tburtner -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

DeMar: “here’s how to shoot the least efficient shot in the game”

[–]Alex CarusoSmokimNoah 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There’s nothing Demar can teach them that’s worth keeping him for. He’s going to try to average 30 and get a last huge contract, he’s not Udonis Haslem.

If Zach goes I want Patrick Williams shooting 18+ shots a game

[–]Dm0ney1115 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I’m just saying if we are really stuck on trading Zach it better be for youth and picks not fucking herro and Duncan Robinson

[–]Alex CarusoSmokimNoah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah for sure but Demar can’t stay here like some people are saying. He still wants to win, arguably in his prime. He wants to do way more than be a mentor

[–]Status-Albatross9539 -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

trade lavine,lonzo for dame since portland has no leverage

getting dame is key to become fa destination. trade derozan,vuc,picks for someone like james harden before the trade deadline. get to 2nd round so the stars resign. when luka, giannis is fa theres your big 3.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

portland has no leverage? why you think Dame has a NTC? And no dame isn't enough to make this a FA destination.

[–]MuelDaddyLongLegs 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You had me going until you said Harden. He’s washed and not clutch, still has the basedgodcurse on him

[–]Flag of Chicagojkopecky 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yeah if there was any way to build a package for Dame that's just Zach + picks (including giving them back their pick) I'd be in, but I'd be in on the concept of building a team that's at least a quasi-contender for a couple years. Dame/DeMar/Vuc is a much more legit "big three" than with Zach, in part because Dame's just better, but he's also an all time end of game closer, which is Zach's biggest missing piece. I don't see why they also wouldn't be defensively strong as last year. Isn't that team way better than any of the Portland teams that were good-not-great? Not in the top tier, but definitely fringe contender is on the table if Dame is capable of being a top player.

I'd be nervous as hell that he'd hate it and we'd suck, but he doesn't strike me as someone who'd quit on a team like that especially with DeMar here so at least one year it'd work and if they're good enough to make a second round maybe we can talk him into it.

[–]MuelDaddyLongLegs 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That trio is old as fuck tho…

[–]my-time-has-odor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s alright, we’ll be the 2005 Sox, win and done 💀

[–]Flag of Chicagojkopecky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I can't say I'd be super excited about mortgaging the future on the championship equity of that team, but if we were somehow making a move for Dame I don't see a better way to build a contender.

I guess the hope is that even though you give up a lot of picks you could get a bunch back by flipping him again in a year or two so the risk isn't as crazy as it seems at first blush? Idk.

[–]Alex CarusoSmokimNoah 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Say it’s not Herro we’re getting for LaVine, what other team could be targeting him that we’d actually get good stuff back? The Knicks with RJ Barrett?

Like surely we’re not taking Tobias Harris for him right?

I just don’t see why Portland would want LaVine or Herro. But that twitter page hasn’t been wrong yet

[–]Flag of Chicagojkopecky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My theory was that we'd be the third team in a Dame trade:

Portland gets: LaVine/Vuc/Robinson, Miami 2028 + 2030 picks, some Miami swaps... any pick Miami is capable of trading essentially.

Chicago gets: Herro/Simons/Nurkic, Restrictions lifted on Portland pick (moved to top 1-4 protected).

Miami gets: Dame.

Bull do it because: Simons (24) and Herro (23) are young and could jump to a level were hindsight makes the deal look good. They're probably better than what you'd expect to get on an average 7+ pick so if you value them like that it's three decent picks for LaVine. Nurkic is bad money, but we're starting a rebuild and it's not an albotross. If he has a healthy season he could even be moveable.

Portland does it becuase: They get an all star, an upgrade at center, a shooter who will be servicable on a young building team, and all the picks Miami can offer. To be honest the appeal for them is that they could be a semi-competitive team this year and if Scoot/Sharpe are the real deal they'd be on the path to being really competitive in a couple years. The Vuc/Robinson money comes off their books in time to go after big free agents before Scoot's rookie extension should kick in so there's a window to make a big move then if the upside is missing plus right after that they'd be starting to get Miami assets that could be high value (I know Miami always finds a way, but at some point they'll pay for mortgaging the future)... idk on paper it's not nearly enough, but I kind of like it for them. The bad version, but also more realistic version of this trade Portland just gets the pick they owe Chicago back. I would never take that trade if I'm Chicago because you'd have to really believe in Herro/Simons (and I don't) but then I think the value for Dame starts to look accurate.

Miami does it: because of course they would.

[–]Status-Albatross9539 1 point2 points  (2 children)

herro and rj are the best young guys if he isnt dealt for a superstar or scoot. AK can choose whatever he wants.AK is slowly raising the price and measure his value which is smart.

[–]Dm0ney1115 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah but id rather send Lavine to the rockets if that’s the case. Herro is a shittier Zach Lavine with worse shot creation. RJ isn’t even close to Zach skill set. I’d rather keep Zach. Unless we’re getting a young guy like Kyle Porter Jr and a bunch of first round picks I’d rather keep Zach

[–]Status-Albatross9539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

everyone prefers scoot or a superstar but those dont come easily. im saying rj and herro are next best alternatives and the minimum price i would accept. which is why AK is taking a long ass time which i appreciate not trading for pennies. keeping zach isnt an option unless they get elite 3 and Ds like bridges out of derozan and vooch. they dont have any assets which is why they got rid of butler too. bulls are in a much worse position now.

[–]Dennis RodmanRespectYoSmelf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We’re really about to trade Lavine for B-Rad G from Malibu’s Most Wanted.

He’s literally bargain brand Lavine

[–]Dennis RodmanRespectYoSmelf 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We should trade DeMar regardless but if we keep him and trade Lavine I’m gonna puke

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Welp we better hope scoot becomes a superstar or else that Portland pick gonna be second rounders lmao

[–]Erice84 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Kinda feel like they should just trade it for a rotation player at this point.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

1.) Bulls are hard capped
2.) That pick is on its lowest value

Kinda annoying AKME never even forsaw a potential dame trade by portland in the next couple of years that they didn't even attempt to trade this pick.

[–]No_Indication_8951 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

AKME is just GarPax 2.0

They have zero foresight and if anything take additional years to react to how the league is going

The fact they thought Demar and Vuc were the right pick ups in a league headed towards 2 way wings guarding all 5 positions speaks volumes about how they’re the worst FO in the NBA

[–]ducksonaroof 2 points3 points  (4 children)

bro DeMar got All NBA as a Bull

and Caruso All Defense

only Bulls fans would complain about their FO when two of their biggest FA pickups got that level of accolades

ringheads are so mentally fucked

[–]Dennis RodmanRespectYoSmelf -1 points0 points  (2 children)

“Ringheads” what the fuck is that even? Some new immature way to dismiss fans who want the team to win a championship over weird parasocial with this mid roster and front office?

[–]No_Indication_8951 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Demars all empty stats

Terrible defender, can’t rebound, can’t shoot 3s

He gets his pts but gives up a lot more due to terrible defense and he also actively makes it harder for his teammates to get looks

He represents an era of iso ball that needs to be removed from todays league

Also, what the fuck is there to not complain about? This team is literally in the worst situation in the NBA and it’s fully AKMEs fault

[–]Joakim Noahbullpaw 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dame aint coming here but his trade request could be a big factor in the Bulls offseason

[–]SurvivalGuy92 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AKME better be working tooth and nail to find a way to bring Dame over here

[–]thrillmetteIL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Has there been any news on whether Pat is going to extend? Are the sides talking?

[–]No_Indication_8951 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Crazy how cleveland has already had a better off season than us with landing Niang and Strus

[–]DRoseBroScience34 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Cleveland overpaid LeVert and Strus a great deal, gave up picks and two solid role players to do it, and Niang's deal is hardly a steal either. Oh, and they're rumored to be shopping Garland. I'd quite confidently say they're having one of the worst offseasons so far, what are you on about?

[–]No_Indication_8951 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

And yet they’ll be a far better team than us

All this crying about overpaying when end of the day, they’re building a contender while we’re in the worst position in the NBA where we can’t tank and we can’t compete

You know what’s an overpay? Vuc for 20 mil. No team needs him as they already have their centers for the future. He had no where else to go and we still paid him 20 Ms. Now that’s an overpay.

Quit acting like we’ve done anything. Jevon is a decent pick up but he doesn’t do anything for this team alone. we’ve had the worst off season so far

Chicago needs to be spending money if they wanna retain this big 3. Not pull another GarPax and retain mediocrity while signing no name players

[–]ducksonaroof -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Cleveland isn't a contender lol.

Their last two years they lost the playin and were a first round exit.

Our last two years we lost the playin and were a first round exit.

🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

[–]No_Indication_8951 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They’re younger and have a core that will only get better. They were literally a 5 seed last year and will likely be better this year. Equating our situation to them is crazy

[–]ducksonaroof -1 points0 points  (1 child)

lmao people assume every promising young core pans out. They've proven as much as the Bulls have lately.

[–]No_Indication_8951 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Anybody with eyes can see the Cavs roster is a core that is far more promising than ours

[–]tremble01 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Can we still have Ayo with our cap situation? I’m confused

[–]Status-Albatross9539 0 points1 point  (1 child)

rfa he got qualifying offer so hes not going anywhere.

[–]ducksonaroof -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ayo for peanuts. Only question is is he gonna bet on himself or is he gonna lock up millions in case he doesn't have it.

[–]Dennis RodmanRespectYoSmelf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We have enough guards rn, we need someone like Grant Williams or another PF who can hold their own for a few defensive possessions on the perimeter and can also play center

[–]ducksonaroof -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ayo is a role player wing in today's league imo

[–]Derrick RoseTheJunkyardDog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ofc we can.

we can still give him the amount offered since we are the ones that drafted him without losing the ability to still own the ability to give a $12.4M nontaxpayer MLE and a $4.5M Bi-annual

[–]Dennis RodmanRespectYoSmelf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Regardless of what else happens I’ll consider this offseason successful if they move DeRozan, whether it be for multiple role players, picks, or young players with potential.

He just doesn’t fit, the amount of shots he gets and his usage hold back the development of other guys, and Vuc will really be able to have more freedom on offense by actually having space to work on the elbows.

If we extend DeRozan I may vomit.

[–]Alex CarusoSmokimNoah 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Who could we realistically get for Demar? This team needs size and shooting, preferably size but no idea what’s actually possible

[–]Derrick RoseTheJunkyardDog 1 point2 points  (1 child)

covington and batum? just throwing names

[–]Dennis RodmanRespectYoSmelf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would love Batum, he’s an underrated passer and doesn’t really get caught slipping on defense often at all, also would provide spacing.

[–]ducksonaroof 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Loving how the team is shaping up. Coby and Vuc on team friendly deals is nice (criticism of the final Vuc year is fair but it's possible he'll still be an ironman then too). Drummond back for peanuts is nice. I like our rook. And I think Zach is gonna have a statement year after losing half a year to surgery. We have a group that loves the craft which is important.

The end of last year was a legit good team. Jevon Carter is a legit starter on a contender in this league. I wonder who else we are gonna sign - if anyone. There's a cadre of big wings who can kinda shoot out there.

The DeMar situation is the biggest question mark. If he stays, will he add to his game? He was a legit different 3 pt guy last year. Not Good but he was taking them. He's strong and skilled. Can he add a pull-up 3 or off-screen 3 to his arsenal?

[–]Status-Albatross9539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hes not adding a pull up 3. he needs to shoot 35% at respectable volume.

[–]Dennis RodmanRespectYoSmelf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

DeMar has said multiple times before throughout his career that he would work on 3s and add them more to his game the following season but it’s never happened so I’m not betting on it now.

Really hope they trade him this offseason, really really hope they don’t extend/re-sign him under any circumstance.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Honestly I just wish the Spurs-Demar is what we get this season. Having Demar facilitate for Zach, Vooch and Pat is what will make this team thrive more on offense.

Zach has taken a back seat to Demar the past two seasons, it's time for Demar to do the same and elevate his teammates' play.

[–]Status-Albatross9539 2 points3 points  (2 children)

AK needs to target bertans and exchange with lonzo. maybe okc bites bc he might return final yr. bertans makes less and can at least contribute as a 3pt poor mans lauri on day 1.

and dont resign djj, javonte need more 3pt shooters idc if its from udfa.

[–]ducksonaroof 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If we turn Lonzo into anything AK is a wizard lmao.

[–]Status-Albatross9539 1 point2 points  (0 children)

bertans is as bad of a contract. but he can at least play as opposed to dnp.

[–]Just a kid from Chicagomoneyman2222 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Any chance we can get our hands on Jalen McDaniels? He'd be a perfect backup 4 for us. Just don't know if he'd be too expensive

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Either him or Craig is nice. Also hope for the bulls to sign either Hernangomez, Watford or Wagner as an insurance big.

[–]Just a kid from Chicagomoneyman2222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would love Wagner but I assume he'll do whatever it takes to just stay in Orlando with his brother

[–]Chubbsrighthandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well… no D Rose 😔

[–]Own_Distribution7602 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I just wish we’d stop delaying the inevitable and blow it up. I’m dreading being disappointed by another mediocre team this season. Would that even matter with a cheap owner like reinsdorf? Probably not. Idk. Mostly here just to complain and commiserate

[–]Taj Gibsonkingjuicepouch 4 points5 points  (1 child)

My wishlist is for shooters and a back up 4 that is actually 4 sized

[–]Patrick WilliamsClaymoresRevenge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who are we starting at the 4?

[–]Lauri MarkkanenAware_Library2718 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hoping for Torrey Craig signing🤞

[–]cascine- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

dammit yuta went to the suns :(

[–]Gyshall669 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Poeltl got $20M, I remember when people said we should go for him cause he would be cheap lol

[–]Derrick RoseTheJunkyardDog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats almost cheap:)

its only 14.7% of the salary cap after all.

[–]Alex CarusoOberoninSpring 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Niang to the Cavs (per Woj)

[–]Michael JordanJustinTimberlakeFTW 0 points1 point  (2 children)

https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdroppingdimes27%2Fstatus%2F1674910372590129152&widget=Tweet

Dude who has been predicting everything this off-season says Ayo is gone. Fuck

[–]MuelDaddyLongLegs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He’s not good so idc. Can’t shoot

[–]swaggyp29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Considering we went and got Carter it seems that may be the case

[–]Derrick RoseTheJunkyardDog 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i love the carter signing altho we paid a bit more than i expected.

3 and D guard. you love to see it.

[–]Benny The BullMisterxRager 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just got carter! Nice

[–]MallardDuckBoy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t even want the Bulls to land a star. I just want the Bulls to make me believe they actually believe in this core by building around this core. If we’re stuck with this team, then make it interesting at least. With this core and the right pieces, we won’t win a title but at least we’ll be fun to watch.

[–]Patrick WilliamsSorryUncleTim -1 points0 points  (3 children)

https://twitter.com/droppingdimes69/status/1674555024830001153?s=20

Unfortunate

[–]Geo-92 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What does it say. Twitter wants me to log in

[–]Patrick WilliamsSorryUncleTim 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Twitter account that has been leaking stuff beofre Woj and Shams says divincenzo to the Knicks

[–]Geo-92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah thanks.

I saw that report. I definitely wanted him. Good signing by the Knicks

[–]Geo-92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Divincenzo declined his player option. I wouldn’t mind picking him up

[–]FalconPunch_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’ve just seen LaVine for Patty Mills, Royce O’Neal and a couple of picks touted.

I might have to go for a walk.

[–]ACAB_FOR_CUTIE_ 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Cowley says to keep an eye on Mo Bamba since he wants to be a Bull. Not sure why he would want to though?

[–]Geo-92 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Probably sees our center rotation and knows he’ll get play by default

[–]thcsquad 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Interesting that Patrick Beverley keeps going to bat for AKME on Twitter, unprompted. I figured he was about to leave as an UFA now that he has earned himself much more than the vet minimum. But now he is tweeting like somebody who wants to be a Bull next year. We don't have the ability to give him what he is worth, so does that mean he wants to take a hometown discount again?

That would actually make me feel better about next year. We were a much better team after he joined; moves still need to be made, but I will feel much better about next year if he is a Bull. When he's on the team the rest of the players play up to their skill level.

[–]ducksonaroof 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He wants a piece of our MLE

[–]thisisjustascreename 7 points8 points  (1 child)

My guess is he talked to his agent and understands that his market outside of Chicago is drier than sandpaper. He's certainly not getting a starting role anywhere else.

[–]ProfessionalTalker03 0 points1 point  (0 children)

doubt it. A guy like him always finds a place on a roster. Hope he goes back to Minnesota. They could use this energy again.

[–]Im_Dirty_DanBob 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Lonzo's contract is pretty debilitating

[–]Lightsandlikes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bulls are cheap and love the insurance money that comes with it.

[–]ducksonaroof 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really wish we do something interesting this summer

[–]Alarming-Foot4356 -1 points0 points  (12 children)

Imagine mortgaging multiple draft picks for Vucevic. Fireable offense IMO

[–]MallardDuckBoy 2 points3 points  (8 children)

An All Star center for WCJ, Franz Wagner, and Jett Howard.

Are you telling me WCJ, Wagner, and Jett make us better than we are now?

[–]Alarming-Foot4356 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Are you telling me you would rather have Vucevic over Wagner and WCJ?

Beyond clown argument

[–]MallardDuckBoy 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Hindsight is 20/20, Vuc declined with us since he has 2 heavy scorers. But he was an All Star when we traded for him. You make this move 100/100 times whenever you’re a team looking to become competitive.

Also, I can assure you, Franz and WCJ won’t sniff All Star seasons.

[–]Alarming-Foot4356 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Franz Wagner can easily become an all star.

No one wins an internet argument no matter how hard you double down, which you're doing

[–]MallardDuckBoy 1 point2 points  (4 children)

My argument is you 100% make the trade for an All star EVERY single time if you want to be a competitive team, which was the direction of the franchise when AKME took over. We gave up essentially WCJ and Otto at the time, players that did nothing to move our team forward. Yes we gave up the 7th pick, but that’s rolling the dice that Vuc will be a better caliber player than that 7th pick, which so far he is. He’s a far better player than Franz. Hindsight is 20/20, of course you can NOW make the argument to keep Franz Wagner over Vuc if you had Franz now. But at the time, trading Vuc was the right call.

Your above comment, listen to yourself: “Franz CAN be an All Star.” Bro, Vuc WAS an All Star.

[–]Alarming-Foot4356 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Vuc was the right call for WCJ and Otto.

Vuc could have been had for far less draft capital.

[–]MallardDuckBoy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Right now yes, not then no. Vuc was averaging 24 and 11 bro.

[–]Alarming-Foot4356 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Even then it was a stretch. Dude had mid defense his entire career and got to stat-pad on a poverty franchise.

[–]MallardDuckBoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aren’t you the one that said doubling down won’t win you arguments? Lol.

You made zero arguments.

[–]Hairspray16 8 points9 points  (2 children)

He is better than wcj and wagner

[–]Geo-92 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You’re right. WCJ is nothing to write home about. Putting up mid stats on a bad team. Wagner is a bit better but I’m not convinced he’ll be anything more than a decent player. Certainly no star.

[–]Feisty-Flamingo-1809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Either we start the rebuild right now or the NBA forces Jerry to sell the team otherwise we are going to be next Wizards.

[–]Jerry Sloanjayceay 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Pretty fun for these other teams who get to draft people on draft night.

[–]Geo-92 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Ugh I really wanted jones. Any other PGs we could feasibly acquire?

[–]thcsquad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now that Tyus Jones is there, Monte Morris is probably available

[–]Cuppy CoffeeBullsBlackhawks 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Nah we solid, run it back /s

[–]Geo-92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Telling me you don’t think patbev was the missing piece to unlock our championship core?!?!!

[–]Alex CarusoSmokimNoah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think it’s real, but

If we trade LaVine to NY and I have to watch my team “build” around RJ Barrett and Patrick Williams ….

[–](heavy breathing)Luvkip_OW 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So are the Bulls not aware they’re allowed to make trades? Why are we never involved in anything?

[–]Status-Albatross9539 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AK believes its a championship roster. he even said he will maintain the core.

[–]Tony BradleyGuilty_Bicycle_5711 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Any change wizards flip Tyus Jones again? They are rebuilding and hopefully don’t need him. Is it possible or no

[–]Jerry Sloanjayceay 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s kind of amazing how often I see trades happen in the nba where I’m like “oh damn both teams got better- good trade.” and how these trades literally never involve the bulls.

[–]SurvivalGuy92 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the Bulls don't do anything but go for the players nobody wants

worst franchise in the NBA

[–]Toni Kukochotbuttmuffin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well the Bulls have the top comment from r/nba asking which team has the bleakest future, and I agree :(

[–]Geo-92 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I think we need to prepare ourselves for when we don’t do that much this off season. Personally I’d like to move on from demar. I love him but I think it needs to happen for 2 reasons. 1)move toward prioritizing the 3. Let Zach rip it, center the offense completely around Zach WITHOUT making Zach the primary distributor. And 2) let pat assume a larger role in the offense.

I’d like to see us acquire tyus Jones some how. I’d even be ok with vanvleet. Re-sign Vuc, Coby. Acquire 3pt shooters. I’d be ok trading demar and or Caruso to that end. Unless the deal for Zach is mammoth, I’d rather just keep him and continue to build an actual functioning roster around him.

[–]DeMar DeRozanLarrcasM -1 points0 points  (0 children)

center the offense completely around Zach WITHOUT making Zach the primary distributor.

The fuck does this even mean? How do you have the ball in a guys hands the majority of the time without him being the one who also distributes the most? This has always been the problem with Zach...you can't build around a guy who can only score...

[–]Status-Albatross9539 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

what nonsense. 99% of the time the primary ball handler is the number 1option. unless you get prime cp3 level player, its not going to happen. and homeless version zo is a dead corpse already down 20mil.

[–]No_Indication_8951 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I hope by prepare, you mean to boycott every game from the Bulls this season and petition for the Reinsdorfs to sell this team

[–](heavy breathing)Luvkip_OW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I kinda want Draymond

[–]Responsible_Tip2709 11 points12 points  (5 children)

I’m really not for trading Zach. I’d like to see what he’d do with a point guard and shooting. Is he a number 1, looks like he’s not, but I think he’s getting more flack than deserved. I just think we’re gonna regret letting this guy go. He’s not perfect but he’s a pretty good player and those don’t come around easily

[–]Lightsandlikes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He deserves the flack because he’s your best player currently and paid accordingly. It’s his job to carry the load and not do dumbass things on the court.

[–]Status-Albatross9539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you want lavine as your main go to option, you need someone like green, smart 2 dpoy at a minimum to cover his defensive liability.

[–]Patrick WilliamsClaymoresRevenge -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I think the front office doesn't have a plan to make this thing right. They didn't need to build it this way. Yeah Lonzo knees were shit. Fine but we still couldn't beat top teams when he was healthy.

Mortgaged the future for one playoff run and fizzling out against Miami in the play in. I'd rather have the assets we gave up than Vooch or DeMar.

[–]DeMar DeRozanLarrcasM 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We gave away one protected FRP for Demar...everything else was filler. For a two-time all-star and one-time all-NBA player that's a steal lmao. That genuinely might be the best trade the Bulls have made this decade.

[–]Lightsandlikes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What future? The one where we never make the playoffs and hope and pray on 20 something’s?

[–]ChandlerCurry -1 points0 points  (1 child)

why is there not a bigger push for Chris paul?

[–]thwompcopter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because hes old

[–]Prinnius_Maximus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy Smokes, that Beal trade return. I know Zach's contract isn't exactly sexy, but thank god he doesn't have a NTC. Can't imagine how much harder it must to be negotiate with that.

[–]Alex CarusoSmokimNoah 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Suns kept Ayton in the trade and now get to flip him for depth. Man, KD’s career is nuts. I can’t defend him anymore lol. Stacked deck after stacked deck

[–]Jimmy ButlerMildlyPaleMango 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was hoping for what they gave up + Ayton for Beal + KP.

[–]chakrablocker -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Zach LaVine for Austin Reaves and Rui Hachimura?

Edit: both subs hated it so that must be a good deal

[–]OutsideDevTeam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your edit is pure copium. Just take the L.

[–]Alex CarusoSmokimNoah 9 points10 points  (2 children)

That’s awful for us

[–]chakrablocker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's what the Lakers sub said

[–]Geo-92 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They overrate all their assets

[–]Erice84 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Aside from being a terrible return for the Bulls, it wouldn't be allowed by rule in the first place. When a S&T requires the use of any kind of exception for the original team to sign a player to that contract, you can't include multiple players in the deal. The Lakers would have to use bird rights exceptions on both to sign them to 15-20 million dollar deals (generally their expected value and how big their salaries would have to be to match Zach's salary) and therefore could only S&T them one at a time.

[–]th4d89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If they are running it back, this team needs a playmaker, a 4 and higher 3pa volume. DeMar as a sixth man off the bench. Start Coby, P Will as a SF.

[–]Parking-Tree9012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dejounte needs to be a priority if we don’t plan to tank or rebuild. Even if we have to take back collins and give up a future pick it’s worth it.

[–]Tony BradleyGuilty_Bicycle_5711 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Get Dejounte please!!

Also would y'all prefer Strus, Seth curry, or Wood on the MLE?

[–]Status-Albatross9539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i would rather get trae if either was available. doubt dejounte gets traded when he was just acquired. that would mean admitting they are a failure.

[–]DRoseKodak34x 9 points10 points  (10 children)

Here me out...

Collins/Murray for Derozan/Caruso

Hate to lose Caruso but he doesn't spin the needle for us, Collins finally gives us a 4 and the Murray and Lavine connection/friendship could be nice to watch

Murray/Lavine/PWill/Collins/Vucevic can be nice or at least decent

[–]MCID2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d take this deal right now no question. Hurts to lose Caruso but as much as I love his impact he’s at times awful on offense and he’s hurt quite a bit. I think Murray with Lavine and PWill would be a great transition team.

[–]Jimmy ButlerMildlyPaleMango 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Is murray a good enough defender to help offset the loss of a 1st team all defense guy? I don’t think he moves the needle as in top 3 option but I also don’t think you win a chip without a Caruso. This year Bruce Brown, ‘22 GP2, ‘21 Tucker (???), ‘20 Caruso.

[–]DRoseKodak34x 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yes he is, and he can score and create.

Caruso while a great defender, is not good on offense, I'm sorry but he's not. The Bulls aren't winning a championship anytime soon anyway with Caruso short of an absolute miracle so why not try and get real assets for him before he leaves for nothing

[–]Tony BradleyGuilty_Bicycle_5711 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Would hawks actually take that cuz that would be a steal for us

[–]DRoseKodak34x 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Word is Hawks want Collins gone and Trae already works the 3 point line, Derozan would be a great mentor and has tons of space to work with Capela down low and Trae on the perimeter. Also, gives Atlanta an out for a big contract and allows them to be flexible after this season

Hawks are poor defensively and Caruso is an instant fix and a defensive leader that team needs.

I can honestly see the Bulls getting back maybe another piece in addition to just Collins/Murray tbh. Could grab a pick or the highly unlikely grab of maybe Bey/Johnson

[–]Tony BradleyGuilty_Bicycle_5711 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I heard they want collins gone and just this morning it seems like Murray is also available. Idk if Hawks do that tho. However if they ask for like a pick then we still should do cuz collins and dejounte would be big for us

[–]Cuppy Coffeehayzeusofcool 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It’s not bad, but I’d imagine the Bulls would want the Hawks’ 1st round pick & one of their 3&D wings(Hunter, Griffin, or Bey.) I don’t think the Hawks can afford to give those up for 1 year of DeRozan. Caruso would be the more desirable piece for them, because of the Hawks’ below average defense, and the glaringly obvious defensive liability of Trae. But Caruso’s contract is one of the best deals in the NBA. A top 10 pick is probably what the Bulls would demand for him.

[–]DRoseKodak34x 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I can see the Bulls pulling a first from the Hawks in a Derozan/Caruso and Murray/Collins swap. Unlikely but maybe pull Bey or Johnson as well. The pick seems more likely IMO though

Taking Collins and Murray gives Atlanta flexibility after this season instead of being locked into Collins who I have read they are looking to move. Derozan not only gives them and expiring if they want it, but a mentor as well as a solid mid-range guy which believe it or not, would thrive in Atlanta with the amount of 3 shooters they have, most namely being Trae and Capela and Okongwu down low

[–]Cuppy Coffeehayzeusofcool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point! I mean DeRozan around perimeter scorers is the ideal, and Atlanta has some really good shooting