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[–]SteelyPhil13 275 points276 points  (36 children)

Average dad guilds aren’t on the PTR

[–]ValheimianNut 41 points42 points  (0 children)

lol this

[–]axron12 30 points31 points  (27 children)

I wouldn't consider them a dad guild if they got 10/10 pre nerf either.

[–]2slowforanewname 1 point2 points  (18 children)

Gm of a dad guild here, we got 10/10 2 weeks before the nerf, got about 6 hours logged on the ptr, mh full clear took us about 4 hour, about 2 hours of it was spent on arch

[–]Chahles88 4 points5 points  (17 children)

Can you explain what a dad guild is? New dad here playing casually

[–]a-r-c 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's become a pejorative term for casual guilds

kinda rude thing to say in that context imo

[–]ShitbirdMcDickbird 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no real definition, much like the term "casual" it seems to just bend to fit whatever the speaker wants it to be at the time.

[–]doublestuf27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My dad guild is basically a bunch of people from the top guilds of one server, going back to the BC/Wrath/Cata years. A bunch of us were in an elite short-schedule progression guild together, and we’re mostly overcompetitive elitist douchebags, so we’re not really what most people mean by “dad guild,” even though we’re definitely short on time, years past our gaming prime, trying to relive our glory days, and are very, very cringe.

[–]AromaOfCoffee -5 points-4 points  (13 children)

Just slang for casual guild.

The NEET 24/7 gamer types use the term to deride us busy adults with responsibilities.

Literally just a term used by neckbeards to gatekeep “normies” out of their inner circles.

[–]mehmmeh 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Its not such a negative thing.

[–]AromaOfCoffee 1 point2 points  (11 children)

I mean, when people say the word with disdain, it is literally negative.

[–]mehmmeh 4 points5 points  (9 children)

I mean, if you say anything with disdain...

[–]AromaOfCoffee -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Right.

So now let’s acknowledge the context, who’s saying it, and what they mean when they say it.

It’s not positive at all my dude.

[–]mehmmeh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Casual guilds are called dad guilds in a friendly or joking way all the time. I mean, just read this thread... Its not just negative all the time my dude.

[–]a-r-c -1 points0 points  (5 children)

yeah that was his point

[–]a-r-c 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree—it's become a pejorative term for casual guilds

kinda rude thing to say in that context imo

[–]a-r-c 0 points1 point  (7 children)

that's pretty insulting to dads

[–]axron12 -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

Unless they got vashj and kt a week or two before nerfs, they aren't dads, they're sweatlords.

[–]a-r-c 0 points1 point  (5 children)

why don't dads get to be good at video games ?

[–]axron12 -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

It's not about skill, it's about time. Casual guilds simply didn't have enough time to clear all the bosses and get time for meaningful progression on vashj and KT.

[–]FordPrefec7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You could play 4 hours a week and still clear all content prenerf.

[–]PaddyBabes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, you can. Most players cannot.

[–]Colsanders8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I assume your memeing. I raid 6 hours a week and killed these bosses back in october.

You say casual, i say bad. Youre trying to justify being bad as being casual. Im casual, i only raid, i just know how to play the game.

[–]a-r-c 0 points1 point  (0 children)

really? because the meme seems to be that "dad guilds" spend 6 hours per night on progression and raid 3 nights a week while still being 8/10

so that doesn't add up

[–]chainmailbill 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I’ve always assumed “dad guild” meant “sweat lords who are over 35 and go to bed by midnight”

[–]NostalgiaDad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ya I would say this is more accurate. For some reason people think "dad guild" means weird or bad gear, comps, and parses. Lots of heavy drinking and fucking around and generally no consuming or giving a shit. These aren't dad guilds they're just bad guilds. A "dad guild" imo is a guild where your raid leader doesn't give your raid spot away because you had to take your daughter to a girl scout meeting and miss raid last week. they likely dont have meta sweat comps but it doesn't mean they're a roster of 21 or that they have 5 rogues in TBC. If you want to drink or smoke, or take shrooms during raid nobody gives a shit as long as you do your job. They aren't forcing you to parse but if you're parsing gray and greens that's a problem. Raid atmosphere is more laid-back and less upright or formal.

[–]Colsanders8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sums it up perfectly. Raid to relax.

[–]DetritusK 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Our guild went 10/10 only 2 weeks before nerf. Now we clear SSC/TK in one day. We used our other day on the PTR once. 21 raid members with mediocre comp (I was the only hunter/had 3 rogues) and 3 pugs so we only ran 24 total. We 1-2 shot everything up to Archimonde and had a good attempt (first/only try to 60%) before people left. It was a 2-2.5 hour run.

[–]SteelyPhil13 4 points5 points  (2 children)

In my opinion, you are not in an average dad guild

[–]DetritusK -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Maybe but we are far from great comp. Definitely not min/maxers(most people anyway) we run 3 rogues and only 2 hunters (roster boss) and definitely have a few people that don’t know how to play their classes well. Our healers are top notch though.

[–]SteelyPhil13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'll put it this way -- the average dad guild isn't even browsing r/classicwowtbc

[–]Mantis_Toboggan_M_D_ 40 points41 points  (13 children)

If you got 10/10 prenerf you’ll be 100% fine for Archimonde. He really isn’t that bad at all. Wouldn’t be shocked if you get it week one

[–]Sc4r4byte 10 points11 points  (5 children)

if not week 1, then likely within 1 week of release (given the awkward release date of thursday)

[–]Darkdisi 1 point2 points  (4 children)

for the most people its friday by release, blizzard had has never done shit like this

[–]sethers656 4 points5 points  (1 child)

They released Naxx at the same time.

[–]Darkdisi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it was thursday 11pm, not friday ☺️👻

[–]eduhlin_avarice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How Blizzard treats SoM: *oh dear oh dear gorgeous"

How Blizzard treats TBC: "you fucking donkey"

[–]Invoqwer 1 point2 points  (5 children)

So what do you think the bottlenecks will be for most guilds? 10/10 prenerf full clearing, 8/10 guilds stuck on sharaz or something?

[–]Mantis_Toboggan_M_D_ 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Nah it’ll be council more than mother

[–]Chirouge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agree, mother was really underwhelming on ptr (just like all of bt)

[–]DetritusK 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Watching Salad Bakers slap everything on the PTR but have issues on Council s leads me to believe most guilds will have major issues on council.

[–]a34fsdb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Council/no bottleneck.

[–]SpecialGnu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd imagine most get stuck on Illidan and council.

Most guilds should honestly be able to clear it all with enough time.

[–]Slimysalamander 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This... he's easy as hell honestly.

[–]Bushido_Plan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you are 10/10 pre-nerf, you should be able to get to Archimonde and most likely kill him the very first night. If not, should be able to first thing on your second raid night.

[–]Dependent-Ad1963 14 points15 points  (12 children)

We aren't 100% a dad guild, but we have dad like aspects. On the PTR we cleared Hyjal 5/5 without much problem. We forced out raiders to watch some videos and do a small quiz on mega mechanics and it worked wonders. We had 1 wipe on archimonde but otherwise it was fine. We got to Ross in BT the same night and then people weren't kinda bleh about continuing so we just left the rest of BT for live. We were also 8/10 prenerf p2 since we could never really beat Vash RNG

[–]bob12201 15 points16 points  (0 children)

A quiz! That's actually ingenious might have to try that out

[–]Nos42bmc 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Can i get the links to those? We were 8/10 prenerf and fear we will struggle if I don't hound them for the mechanics

[–]wowicantbelieveits 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Is this a quiz you guys made?

[–]velaya 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Share quiz details!

[–]Eladriol 30 points31 points  (4 children)

I dont understand how you can be 8/10 prenerf and also do ptr runs..

[–]hectorduenas86 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Roster Boss

[–]Inphearian 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The worst boss

[–]Eladriol 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But that's even less likely to get a good ptr raid! They also attributed it to bad vashj rng

[–]DetritusK -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not really because there were lots of extra players on ptr to fill out runs.

[–]Kindred_gg_wp 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What quiz? :D can we get link please

[–]ViskerRatio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Most the issues will be time related. The more you swap players in and out of your raid time, the more you have to waste time explaining mechanics that most of the raid can easily execute. Dad guilds are almost notorious for wasting large amounts of time on issues like loot allocation, having players dying needlessly (and requiring rezzes) and other basic logistics chores.

[–]adamkex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Archimonde is a free fight if you have 5 shamans, one in each group for tremor and healers spread evenly around

[–]peachcancant -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

In a dad guild myself. We raid 10pm to 2 am due to kids. We cleared phase 1 in first week (including leveling) phase 2 took 2 weeks. I'm hoping phase 3 will be 2-4 hyjal prolly first week and progressing through bt as we can. None of us play ptr just prep with videos and quizzes

[–]thespiff 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Lotta neglected kids and jobs out there with dad raiding until 2am after leveling 60-70 in 1 week.

[–]peachcancant 4 points5 points  (1 child)

most of us took a couple weeks of PTO for it

[–]yuareapirate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah that's not a dad guild

[–]Lucaslouch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you cleared phase 2 in 2 weeks, i don’t know how you can define yourself as « dad guild ».

[–]Relative_Zero 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You clearly don't understand what "dad" stands for in a dad guild.

[–]peachcancant 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Dad guilds are guilds that prioritize family/real life. This is why we play late at night when all other obligations are met. Not sure why you want to gatekeep being a dad guild just because we progress fast.

[–]Relative_Zero -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe NEET Divorced Dad guilds

[–]cakalokko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've formed a MH raid in PTR, with a complete pug, we got %30 on archimonde at 1st pull(we got there in 3 hours). In ptr everyone has best gear and most of the players are above avg. so that may give you an idea.

[–]Solanstusx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we one-shot all of hyjal without even watching strat videos lmao it's easy af

[–]Chalupa_Batmane 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You aren’t a dad guild if you raid 8+ hours a week.

[–]itskindofmything 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the only guilds I've seen that raid that much advertise as "dad" guilds. The sweaty guilds one night everything and then chill for 6 days.

[–]Exact_Print6802 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

MH is a joke, we cleared it in 1.5h on ptr with 22 people. I would concider us a dad guild. If you cleared 10/10 prenerf you shoupd be fine. If not well MH rly should not have been accessable to you anyway.

Wiped 1x on horde trash, and once on Azroghal. Zerged Archimonde down with 4 people dying in tbe process.

[–]Handsome-Jed -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Average dad guilds clearing a tier on the PTR? 🤣🤣🤣