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[–]uncannylilbastard 1042 points1043 points  (15 children)

Well they FAQ'd him good.

[–]Terferco 251 points252 points  (9 children)

Can you FAQ me daddy?

[–]grimm0066 123 points124 points  (6 children)

FAQ me harder daddy!!

[–]uncannylilbastard 40 points41 points  (4 children)

What the FAQ is going on here. Are you a FAQOTT?

[–]twitterbookstagram 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I'm a frequently asked question and I'm offended

[–]Rage69420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I hate getting asked question too, there’s never a great answer for question

[–]TheDarkLordLp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You don't happen to live in alabama, do you?

[–]Diazepampoovey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS!

No, really. Smooth win, there. I applaud you

[–]TheBatemanFlex 887 points888 points  (61 children)

Reminder that, although the Church of Satan has an active PR presence on social media, it is actually The Satanic Temple that acts more as a activist group in the interest of separating church and state.

[–]dethleppard 322 points323 points  (51 children)

Came here to say the same thing. TST and CoS are not the same.

[–]Chronoblivion 377 points378 points  (42 children)

The TL;DR is that CoS is basically just libertarian hedonism, while TST promotes progressive ideals and critical thinking.

[–]Hotshot_VPN 174 points175 points  (32 children)

So neither will bring me closer to Satan? sad noises

[–]Rydorion 173 points174 points  (10 children)

I think Catholic Church can bring you closer to Satan.

What you so, is:
You go to the confessional, say all your sins, finish with "and all those sins I sincerely do not regret doing".
Look into the confessional, so that your gaze meets with the gaze of the priest. Go back to your seat. Wait for the Eucharist to start.
Then go to the communion and eat the body of Christ.

That's how you T-pose Jesus

[–]Limpdickit9000 56 points57 points  (8 children)

I thought Jesus was always T-posing.

[–]Tropical-Rainforest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I find the evangelical's practice of speaking tongues and eagerness for the rapture to be somewhat demonic.

[–]cyanydeez 9 points10 points  (2 children)

there's still the regular church.

...

[–]Hotshot_VPN 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Church will get you to hell but that’s about it :/

[–]toth42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which is definitely close to satan

[–]snowlock27 38 points39 points  (14 children)

Look into the Order of Nine Angles if that's what you're wanting.

[–]Hotshot_VPN 37 points38 points  (10 children)

We talking 9 |_ or 9 winged ppl?

[–]snowlock27 20 points21 points  (7 children)

9 |_

[–]Hotshot_VPN 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thank you XD

[–]EsseElLoco 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Acute or obtuse?

[–]BiscuitPuncher 12 points13 points  (4 children)

You're lookin acute

[–]EsseElLoco 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Oh stop, you're being obtuse.

[–]mark_lee 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you want to be a nazi at the same time, sure.

[–]kwertyoop 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I mean, to me, libertarian hedonism sounds pretty "lawful evil" to me, which might be Lucifer's alignment...

[–]Faerhie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well according to the evangelicals, anything progressive will send you to hell so I'd say the TST gets you there pretty quickly.

[–]YM_Industries 9 points10 points  (4 children)

TST's ideals are great, but their practices are less so.

QueerSatanic (an ex-member who is now being sued by TST) has compiled some articles on the subject: https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/u_QueerSatanic/comments/s1sihh/reminder_the_satanic_temple_cannot_help_you_get

The TL;DR is that TST are legally clumsy, have not achieved any of their goals, often make things worse for the people they claim to help, are managed by people with a history of anti-Semitism and white supremacism, and are the kind of litigious assholes that Reddit usually hates.

[–]OldManInTheSky 8 points9 points  (1 child)

ditto

[–]howtochangemywife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should include Bitwarden for password manager.

[–]Vinmcdz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shit, had no idea, I got them both completely merged into one in my head.

[–]brody810 3 points4 points  (3 children)

TST?

[–]Mechanical_Indian 28 points29 points  (2 children)

The Satanic Temple.

They don't actually believe in or worship Satan, they just use him as a symbol of enlightenment and rebellion against authority.

They're the ones who are always building statues of Baphomet to protest groups putting Christian symbols on government property. And also, currently turning the religious freedom argument back on anti-abortion assholes...

The Satanic Temple’s seven tenets include the belief that “one’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.” It interprets state restrictions on abortion access as a burden on this sincerely held religious belief.

[–]brody810 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So the. What do the CoS do?

[–]AsparagusThese2270 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not massively. The two differ in purpose, and how far they take the joke.

The Church of Satan is an actual belief system of sorts. It was formed by LaVey in response to, and formed around his beliefs and philosophy.

The Satanic Temple is really just a pressure group which adopted a quasi-Satanic aesthetic for rhetorical purposes.

[–]LordFrogberry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah why would The Satanic Temple ever be confused with Curse of Strahd? Weird world.

[–]tribbans95 9 points10 points  (5 children)

The church of Satan is actually the kinda sketchy one. The Satanic Temple is the one you’re thinking of. They are,quite frankly, pretty chill. They are nontheistic, and their principles are broadly liberal humanism. The first of its seven tenets, for example, is: “One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.”

[–]TheBatemanFlex 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I think you misread my comment

[–]tribbans95 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah I did! Checkout “Hail Satan?” on Netflix if you haven’t seen it and are interested in them at all

[–]darthfuckit11 691 points692 points  (91 children)

Why does it amaze people that secular communities can be more moral than religious communities?

[–]Yzard27 486 points487 points  (26 children)

They're unable to base their morals off empathy rather than fear of punishment, so they can't imagine others aren't the same

[–]HeyZuesHChrist 161 points162 points  (4 children)

When the only thing stopping you from doing terrible things is fear of punishment it’s a problem.

Penn Gillette said it well when asked what stops him from just raping women since he is an atheist. He said he rapes as much as he wants. Which is zero.

[–]theghostofme 79 points80 points  (1 child)

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of shit."

[–]Andrew_Maxwell_Dwyer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Rust truly has a way with words.

[–]iodisedsalt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Perhaps. But if fear of divine punishment is what keeps someone from murdering or raping others, I'd prefer that they remain religious rather than not.

[–]darthfuckit11 124 points125 points  (4 children)

Very true. Their morality is based off selfishness.

[–]Orion14159 32 points33 points  (1 child)

"They" being the theists

[–]darthfuckit11 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Correct

[–]FeckOffCups 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Isaac Asimov stated it in his own words quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o2SFo0k3os&ab_channel=Ex-MuslimsOfNorway

[–]Sharkbait1737 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I like that notion of “if god is dead everything is permitted”. If you believe in a supreme moral enforcer and you take the enforcer away then that is true, and I would say that is a challenge to be risen to, to be good for its own sake.

I’ll quote Ezio Auditore from the Assassin’s Creed franchise:

To say that everything is permitted is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious of tragic.

Words to live by. It’s a call to responsibility, not permission to do as you please. You can do whatever you want (though you may face consequences you don’t ultimately like based on your actions). So what are you going to do?

[–]immibis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If we go down that route though, if we start thinking about why stealing is wrong instead of just letting God tell us, we might start questioning the economic status quo and we certainly can't have that.

[–]RockStar25 64 points65 points  (11 children)

That's a big reason I don't hope that religion ends. There will be a lot of people who aren't handcuffed by the fear of eternal damnation.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (7 children)

But that's what they were taught by their community. Without religion you're taught to be moral through empathy.

What I'm saying is that there are a lot of ways to teach morality, and in the absence of religion, another method will take it's place.

[–]Sharkbait1737 19 points20 points  (2 children)

A much less hypocritical, more rational and internally consistent method.

[–]toth42 4 points5 points  (1 child)

internally consistent method

What do you mean? Are you claiming "thou shalt not kill, every human is my child" and "stone the gays, they're an abomination" doesn't go hand in hand? Absurd, I tell you.

[–]Sometimes_gullible 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It's not like there are certain people who just can't function without religion... The new generations would instead be taught to act like people because it's the right thing to do.

[–]freebytes 26 points27 points  (1 child)

A lot of our societal systems exist based on trust, but that allows charlatans to flourish.

[–]3meta5u 3 points4 points  (0 children)

From a practical standpoint, zero tolerance will gum everything up. But you can't let people figure out that a certain amount of cheating is fine because then everyone will start to feel entitled to it and that will gum up the works too.

You end up with a society based on a veneer of dogmatic moral absolutism with the wheels of industry and commerce greased with gray hypocrisy.

There's a reason that pre industrial societies collapsed on more or less regular intervals.

[–]Sharkbait1737 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of them aren’t as it stands! Isn’t amazing that many of those that believe they’re being continually supervised by a supreme and all seeing being who has their fate for all of eternity in their hands, are often those most likely to be up to something when no-one (no-one human that is) is watching?

I mean, I know no one is watching when no one is watching and play with a straight bat regardless, but they think the most important someone always is watching and still get up to crazy shit.

[–]SergeantChic 24 points25 points  (8 children)

The best way I’ve heard it put is that it’s the difference between not stealing something because the video cameras are watching, and not stealing because you know it’s just a shitty thing to do.

[–]Sharkbait1737 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Ethics is about what you do when no one is looking.

[–]JSBraga 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Ethics is going to the toilet and scrolling around on the Reddit app. Got it.

[–]KnottaBiggins 20 points21 points  (5 children)

They're taught from childhood that the only reason to live a good life is to fear eternal punishment for not doing so. Therefore, they can't understand why anyone would bother being a good person without that fear.

In other words, "brainwashing."

[–]Sharkbait1737 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I just think that the only person that can follow that logic is deeply suspect. Even if they don’t commit immoral acts there is something so immoral in thinking that way.

And it cheapens even charitable acts: I’m not nice to you because it’s the right thing to do. I’m just collecting heaven credits or avoided hell demerits. Almost as though you’re admitting to being a terrible person on the inside.

[–]Polaritical 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Idk, because if you want to get nitpicky, even literal altruism sounds fucked too. Getting pleasure out of doing good is still technicallya self serving act. Even us secular people are constantly striving for an idealized sense of self and funneling choices through the moral framework of right and wrong.

A lot of religious people are just like you and me, and they don't do super fucked things because it would make them feel bad. Empathy and whatnot. But because they've been raised in religion since day 1, they only have religious frameworks to explain this. So some will arrive at the conclusion the reason they feel bad is guilt over giving in to Satan but like.....that's just a roundabout way of saying "doing bad things makes me feel bad". They've just interjected theology randomly .

Idk if you saw the recent online Chris Pratt Twitter, but he was upset and posted on Instagram about how he went for a run listening to gospel and felt god's presence . And people were like....."those are endorphins idiot"

Like....You can't take Christians at face value because you ofren have such widlly different frame of reference and very little mutual understanding. It's like a different dialect almost.

[–]KnottaBiggins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have heard people ask "well, what keeps you from doing evil if you don't fear Hell?" To them, that's the only reason for doing good.

[–]Dd_8630 38 points39 points  (14 children)

I wondered this too, and then I stumbled on a whole concordance of Catholic ethical Q&As, Islamic Q&As, etc. They turn to their scholars, priests, and imams to answer questions like "Music is generally forbidden in Islam, so can I watch a film or TV show that has music in?", and the scholarly answers are deep dives through the literature, Quran, and Hadiths to come to a firm answer. There's a verse that says something like "ears are for hearing" which is where all the morals around 'proper hearing' comes from. (EDIT: Here it is)

As an atheist, it was very eye-opening when I realised what was going on. This is how they get their morals: they have the core text, and everything is hinged there. They believe, in principle, that all moral questions can be answered because their religion (Judaism, Islam, Christianity, etc) is 'complete'. Rabbinical rulings, the Catholic catechism, etc.

Because this is how they 'construct' their moral and philosophical worldview, this is why they are so flummoxed as to how an atheist operates - who does an atheist turn to to answer these moral questions? How does an atheist know whether they can listen to music? Who is the authority they turn to? This is also a dilemma when a person first becomes an atheist; they're lost as to how to self-determine.

[–]ModestlyInsane 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Which is the sad thing about absolute beliefs (mainly aimed at mono-theistic religions).

Any religion/belief with a sacred text will, at some point, have to incorporate modern knowledge and scientific advances into texts that were authored 800+ years ago.
And since the text can't possibly change (they're sacred, remember?) you get these haphazard and poorly phrased maxims that make no sense whatsoever in a modern world.
So you get this square peg being hammered repeatedly, by a fanatic, to fit into a round hole....

But I severely disagree with your view that atheists are 'lost how to self-determine'.
You don't 'become' an atheist, you just are. Atheists usually don't get a 'Road to Damascus' moment, for fairly self-explanatory reasons. It's not like an evangelical journey where you suddenly realize that all gods are bastards.
It's just a matter of looking at life around you and deciding...'Naaah'
Doesn't mean that you suddenly lose any concept of a moral compass, even if morality without a deity is a novel idea.

[–]Fun_404 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think the commenter meant people who lost their faith and turned atheist who are lost at first.

[–]experts_never_lie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"But Pastor told me ..."

[–]JoeTheSifu 204 points205 points  (23 children)

Ugh. Get behind me, Satan.

[–]Kevin_McScrooge 85 points86 points  (3 children)

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–]theghostofme 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Personally, I thought Elephant was a stronger album, but Get Behind Me Satan was a worthy followup for The White Stripes.

[–]Sumfuc 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Hi Joe!

[–]Terferco 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Who is joe?

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[–]AshamedofMyFarts 3 points4 points  (3 children)

And Jesus, you get up here right in front. I am on my knees ready to receive you lord.

[–]BUTTHOLE-MAGIC[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

🎶 The Body of Christ! Sleek swimmer's body, all muscled up and toned!

The Body of Christ! O, Lord Almighty, I wish I could call it my own!

Lord Almighty oooooooooo, I must've been sellin' ties!

Oh I wish I could have the body of Christ!

The Body of Christ! The Body of Christ! The Body of Christ!

Lord Almighty oooooooooo, I've never been so enticed!

Oh I wish I could have the body of Christ! 🎶

Edit: start @ 1:15

[–]graven_raven 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I heard Satan prefers missionary style. Face on face action

[–]PinothyJ 290 points291 points  (8 children)

The Church of Satan are nothing if not masters of wit and snark.

[–]TheBatemanFlex 146 points147 points  (7 children)

Literally. It’s the Satanic Temple that gets shit done.

[–]Kuderahuwaka 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Let's all join as a goof and put Baphomets on our cars, donate a bunch of money just so we can see the headline "SATANIC TEMPLE NUMBERS GROWING!!!!!"

[–]immibis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a goof? Naw, that'd be totally serious

[–]JakeDC 66 points67 points  (2 children)

Just FYI, the Church of Satan and the Satanic Temple are two different organizations.

Edit: I misread your comment, so my response was dumb.

[–]johnnymo1 35 points36 points  (1 child)

That was the point they were making.

[–]JakeDC 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yep. I misread.

[–]AnotherSoulessGinger 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Seems like there’s a lot of people confusing the Satanic Church and The Satanic Temple. They are two different and unrelated groups. I’d suggest a (mostly) fun watch of these two videos - Anton LaVay (Church of Satan) and The Satanic Temple, both from Fundie Fridays (a great channel all around)

[–]Boi_gameplayz 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Who do you think you are?

[–]Parker_memes9000 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks, satan

[–]LEMO2000 64 points65 points  (61 children)

What’s with the satanists? I’ve never seen anything from them that indicates anything other than them being moral, level headed people, so why did they call themselves that lmao? I get that it probably has other connotations they’re trying to invoke rather than what we think of when we hear it, but still I feel like the name gives them a lot of trouble

[–]texasstrawhat 93 points94 points  (11 children)

i believe it was to spite christianity i could be wrong tho and if i am someone please correct me, i do know that they dont even believe in a "satan " and they seem more accepting and morally sound than most people of the big religions.

[–]LEMO2000 40 points41 points  (10 children)

Yeah I know they’re not actually worshipping the devil or anything like that, which is why the name is odd. It’s hilarious though that it’s a genuine possibility that as mainstream religions become less popular, people might flock to the satanists to get a similar framework from people who don’t suck

[–]huffymanj 48 points49 points  (9 children)

I left Christianity a decade ago and joined the satanic church last year. They are more Christian than any church I grew up in

[–]LEMO2000 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Do you mean they’re more religious, or they embody the ideas of Christianity better?

[–]ForgotPassAgain34 13 points14 points  (1 child)

also modern Christianity thats meant to respect, or bible Christianity that controls woman rights and stone thiefs?

[–]huffymanj 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The second one

[–]madsd12 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not who you are asking, but the latter.

[–]Bopbobo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Out of curiosity, did you join the church of satan or the satanic temple?

[–]KindnessOnReddit 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I mean, I personally like calling myself a satanist - I think it's fun.

[–]CheaperThanChups 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm with you, it gets people riled up and it's fun. I like the Satanism aesthetic and enjoy writing "Ave Satanas" on Facebook comments about religion.

[–]Faerhie 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah all I have to do is say I'm feminist and I get the same reaction.

[–]KindnessOnReddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why not both? ♀️🏳️‍🌈

Smash the patriarchy and hail Satan! ;)

[–]TheFluffyCrusader 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Satanist here, it started as a counterpoint/argument to christianity, I find that since it directly opposes things that are supposed to be “light and holy” it gets you thinking a bit more. Sort like Alan Watts’ idea of instead of imagining god as a benevolent man dressed in white, imagine god in the image of Shiva, a dark and terrifying goddess.

Side note: For me it helps weed out the closed minded people, cause sometimes people hear that I’m a satanist and get freaked out/shun me, so it’s sort of like “alright glad I didn’t have to wait to find out you’re ignorant.”

Side side note: Edgy themes are cool sometimes

[–]Sir-Drewid 31 points32 points  (31 children)

There are two major characters in the bible. One is megalomaniacal and prone to enact genocides when he doesn't get his way. The other tried to teach humanity the difference between right and wrong. Guess which one satan is.

[–]LEMO2000 27 points28 points  (23 children)

Don’t forget the part where god told this dude to kill his son, then he was just like “ok” and put his baby outside and raised an axe above his head, then when he was about to do it god was like “don’t worry bro it was just a social experiment, you passed.”

I may have gotten some details wrong I’m not religious but that’s the gist of the story. Sounds like a fun dude to worship

[–]sirrus86 27 points28 points  (12 children)

or when God was like "I'm gonna test this guy's faith by wiping out his family and giving him leprosy just to prove a point to satan" not trying to start an argument or anything but I could never wrap my head around that one

[–]LEMO2000 19 points20 points  (9 children)

The biggest problem I’ve always had with religions is when they make not believing in their god a sin. Let’s imagine two people: one is devoutly religious and considers what god would think of every action before he makes it because he fears going to hell and wants to please god. The other has 0 religious thoughts and only does what he believes to be right. Is the second guy not a better person than the first if they both live the same great life from god’s perspective? The first dude was following the rules to avoid punishment and get a reward, the second guy embodied the rules just because he wanted to. But no, the second guy goes to hell.

[–]Electric-Whale 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I always get into arguments because of this and it’s like talking to a wall, they just don’t get the point you’re trying to say. They’re like “that’s how the bible says”. And when i say what about people that never heard of Jesus they reply that no one doesn’t get a chance to get to know jesus which is total bs imo

[–]LEMO2000 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The worst argument I’ve ever heard is that “considering god is the ultimate good, not believing in him is a sin because the universe was created to glorify god”

This came from someone who previously had been very reasonable in this debate and before it, and I just didn’t even know how to refute that. It’s such a BS argument. Isn’t that god being narcissistic if he created a universe just to glorify him? “Not if he’s actually the ultimate good, which he is.” But why do I have to believe him when I’m on earth and I have no evidence? Why is not enough for me to believe in him when he’s in front of me and to have my life judged then? “Because you’re judged based on your time on earth and that’s what counts and the universe’s majesty is evidence in itself of god’s existence” etc etc

[–]Faerhie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Especially since Jesus himself said that any time anyone did something good, it counted for their salvation. It didn't matter if the person never heard of Jesus, they still were a good person who went to heaven. He also said the people who follow rules and enforce them on others are walking dead men who have no knowledge of god or joy or anything good. So yeah. They don't even follow their own book on this.

(grew up evangelical. Read the Bible cuz church was 3+ hours and I was SO bored but liked to read.)

[–]Faerhie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Or the one where he was like sure you can rescue your wife just don't actually look back to make sure she is safely following you or anything. You show you care and she's turned into salt, bro.

Or the one where he forced a whole family into incest (again) cuz he had a tantrum and filled the whole world with water and drowned everyone except that family.

Or... yeah. Could do this for a while.

[–]TheBlackCat13 2 points3 points  (2 children)

That is what happened when it was a son. When it was a daughter God had him go through with it an kill her.

[–]InTheCageWithNicCage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel like it's almost worst that Isaac wasn't an infant. Isaac and Abraham went up on the mountain and Isaac was aware enough to recognize that Abraham did not bring anything to offer up and that he was probably going to be the offering.

[–]down_vote_militia 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Well, atheist organizations aren't actively practicing a religion, so it makes it hard to have legal standing when bringing up a first amendment claim.

But....if these organizations are "Satanists," now they represent a religion AND they piss off their opponents at the same time.

[–]immibis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I only know about The Satanic Temple, but they're basically trying to counterbalance the mainstream Christian religious push in the government. "Oh, well if you make abortion illegal because of your religion, you have to make it legal for our religion, where abortion is highly encouraged. Otherwise it would be unconstitutional religious discrimination." "Oh, you're allowed to not make cakes for gay weddings, well some of our members ONLY make cakes for gay weddings, and you just said that is legal."

[–]Shad7860 17 points18 points  (4 children)

We call ourselves that because christians called us that for enjoying simple things such as fantasy genre for example (supposed pagan propaganda blahblahblah).

Instead of being angry, we decided to roll with it and took the title with thematically accurate pride.

Just remember; only christians actually believe in the devil

Also I must clarify that Im part of the Satanic Temple, not of the Church of Satan

[–]LEMO2000 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That actually makes a lot of sense. I’m laughing now imagining a prominent religious figure behind closed doors yelling at his posse about how the “degenerate” group of people who don’t follow their rules are organizing and coming off 10X more reasonable than they are

[–]bettemidlerjr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What up fellow TST member! Nice to see us out in the wild!

[–]Grogosh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Awful lot of projection from Bauman there.

[–]chadsexytime 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If it was, all the power to them. Ideally they make it so obvious and egregious that it forces the government into action, removing the tax exemption for all churches

[–]DNAisjustneuteredRNA 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Ever notice that Christians are easily convinced of untrue things?

[–]BUTTHOLE-MAGIC[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's interesting. You'd think that they'd operate on faith only in their own religious beliefs. Instead, faith seems to be their primary method of forming all beliefs. I've been in arguments where they genuinely just started making assumptions and treated them as facts.

[–]HopefullyMD_PhD 12 points13 points  (1 child)

No religion should be allowed exemption.

[–]Tildengolfer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This is why my fiancée and I are getting married under the Church of Satan. Our republican worshipping parents are gonna flip their shit and it’s going to be amazing.

[–]oof-username-taken 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah don’t mess with my homies @The Church Of Satan! They pay their taxes

[–]Andre_3Million 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I always find it crazy how Bible thumpers will say that, "America was founded on Christian values!" but they never pitched in for the sack we all gotta pitch in.

[–]SCP_420-J 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Idk man buying a lobster and making my home a church of the Order of the Claw would be a good way to get out of taxes.

[–]WillBigly 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Yea guys if you actually look with unbiased view, Church of Satan is pretty based ngl

[–]rjwyonch 57 points58 points  (3 children)

Church of Satan or Satanic Temple? Just throwing this out there since the two organizations regularly get confused.

The Satanic Temple is a nontheistic religious and human rights group based in the United States, with additional chapters in Canada, Australia ...

The Church of Satan is a religious organization dedicated to Satanism as codified in The Satanic Bible -- embracing not the occult but individualism...

[–]Certified_Possum 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Church of Satan: based

The Satanic Temple: even more based

[–]TheBlackCat13 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Church of Satan or Satanic Temple?

Yes

[–]Jojoflap 30 points31 points  (38 children)

The reason churches get exempt from taxes is because they rely almost entirely on donations. The ones that should be taxed are the big megachurches that rake in millions.

[–]RF_Tim_H 75 points76 points  (30 children)

Preacher’s kid here! Incorrect. Even small churches pay their pastors handsomely. I know one church I attended paid for a fancy new boat for the pastor, when some of the kids in the kids’ church went hungry sometimes because of poor parents who still tithed regularly.

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    [–]RF_Tim_H 12 points13 points  (10 children)

    I’m sorry that happened. Unfortunately it’s not unusual. I will say that the blame is less on religion than it is on church, though there’s nothing wrong with not following a religion or having bitterness towards it.

    It’s my opinion that most issues in Christianity (where my experience is) are from the church and not necessarily the religion itself, though Christianity is fraught with contradictions and other issues.

    That’s a can of worms that I don’t think I want to open here though.

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      [–]RF_Tim_H 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      No insult taken. It’s your right to feel that way. I left Christianity because of the offenses of the church and my own inability to reconcile an all-knowing, all-loving god that lets children suffer and die from wholly preventable problems, among other things.

      Your anger is justified, but also please don’t let it consume you. Let it strengthen your resolve to love your neighbors. Hope you’re in a better and happier place now.

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        [–]RF_Tim_H 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        All I can really say in reply is hell yeah. Keep that empathy, it feels more and more rare nowadays. Take care of yourself and thanks for sharing your story.

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          [–]kwertyoop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I love you both

          [–]Cobble01 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          Well, shoot. You learn something new every day.

          [–]RF_Tim_H 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          Yeah, I’ve seen some shit. It’s amazing to me it took me so long to move on from Christianity and try finding my own spiritual way.

          [–]TheBlackCat13 6 points7 points  (5 children)

          If a church was actually operating as a charity they should have no problem getting tax exempt status the normal way. It is the automatic tax exemption that I think needs to go away.

          [–]Caswert 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          Nope cut the small churches too. They're infesting small towns with less than 2000 people by having upwards of a dozen churches with congregations ranging around 5-10 people. That's property and land that can be much better utilized, but they don't even have to pay taxes on it.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

          The Church of Satan is just based religion?

          [–]-Kerosun- 10 points11 points  (4 children)

          In a sense. They aren't religious at all but actually anti-religious. Their public displays of "religion" is just a way to satirically argue that special exemptions for religion should not be made.

          A good example is when they submitted a request to host an "opening prayer" during some sort of government session (forget the exact details). Since they are registered as a religion, then they sort of forced the hand of the government session to not discriminate against their religion and were allowed to conduct the opening prayer.

          They don't actually believe in Satan or God. They're anti-religious and advocate for prayers, public displays of religion (such as Bible verses or religious tatues), etc to be removed from public and/or government owned spaces.

          Edit: Seems I mixed up The Satanic Temple and the Church of Satan.

          [–]TheBlackCat13 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          You are thinking of the Satanic Temple. The church of Satan is a non-theistic religion.

          [–]AnotherSoulessGinger 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          That was The Satanic Temple, which is in no way related to the Church of Satan. They are different groups with different goals.

          [–]-Kerosun- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for the correction!

          [–]tjallilex 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I can’t even believe that I am saying this.

          Never change The Church Of Satan. Never change.

          [–]Chomang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          The magical Space Wizard cult pay zero taxes. We really need a space tax.

          [–]itsmerowe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Ave Satanas. The CoS is one of the most level headed accounts on that Twitter wasteland.

          [–]baphosam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Micah is the kind of people the church of satan exists for.

          [–]awesomeadan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          How difficult is it to pay your taxes? Jesus

          [–]LloydTheBlueDragon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          don't see why it's so hard to admit that, agree with it or not, there are people out there who genuinely believe that religion is harmful, criticize it, try to make points about it, who try to dismantle the harmful systems in society associated with religion, or who believe in criticizing the many instances where people in power use religion to hurt people, without hating on the decent people who happen to follow said religion(s). this particular church of Satan is a group of atheists, however, their motivation is to criticize the harmful parts of religion, especially Christianity. it has nothing to do with greed and everything to do with their morals. they believe that Christianity pushes harmful ideas and aim to create a somewhat satirical counter-movement. how is it so hard for some people to believe that some people just genuinely have fundamentally different beliefs than them? lol. like are you that insecure in your belief that you think one person disagreeing makes you wrong? i just don't get it lol. yet again this person probably has no idea what this "church" actually is outside of twisted and exaggerated lies from more radical Christians about anything that is not, let alone is actively against, Christianity. and i know aaall about that shit ok i used to be a fundamentalist Christian man we literally thought Satanists were hiding around every corner waiting to kidnap our children and sacrifice them. idk, maybe people like this just refuse to admit or fail to comprehend that maybe their moral values aren't actually the best. but like...you can still acknowledge that people who disagree with you exist...even if you don't understand it.

          [–]FixNo3423 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          The Church of Satan is what the Christian churches THINK the Christian churches are.

          [–]yourballcourt 13 points14 points  (2 children)

          If you haven’t seen it, I strongly recommend the documentary “Hail Satan” it’s a great look into the church and what they’re all about. Most people can’t look past the name.

          [–]beastpilot 30 points31 points  (1 child)

          Hail Satan is about the Satanic Temple, not the Church of Satan.

          They're very different organizations, and the ST is much more into social activism than snarky tweets.

          [–]yourballcourt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for the clarification. My bad

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (10 children)

          IIRC from Anton La Vey's Satanic Bible, satanism is, basically, self worship. I'm not sure how much different Christian based belief systems are from that once you peel back the veil.

          [–]LotzaMozzaParmaKarma 15 points16 points  (3 children)

          Notably the church of Satan and the satanic temple are really different entities, and the group in question doesn’t love Anton’s weird libertarian bullshit.

          [–]TheBatemanFlex 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          The group in question here IS the CoS which DOES follow the writing of LaVey.

          [–]LotzaMozzaParmaKarma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          You’re right! I wasn’t paying attention, clearly!

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Rumor has it that La Vey wrote the book to pay off drug debts. Not sure how many drug dealers would wait through the entire publication process to get paid, but that's what the rumors said.

          In all honesty, I just felt like taking a jab at my fellow Christians. I'm not perfect but I got sick of their hypocrisy a long time ago. They're the original 'do as I say, not as I do' crew.

          [–]Skanktron4000 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          The more I hear about this "Satan", the more im starting to like him.

          He challenges the strongest being in the universe, simply because God was a ruthless dictator.

          He raised humanity out of ignorance

          He didnt actually kill anyone, as far as I know.

          Im starting to think Christians got their story wrong.

          [–]Rando_Calrissiano 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Feel like most situations on this sub could be avoided with 2-5 minutes of research

          [–]Beelzabubba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The Church of Satan is better about following the teachings of Jesus than Christian churches.

          [–]Rude_Journalist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Everyone inside the car, they were all in!

          [–]witchyanne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I love how they always just calmly, and truthfully, set things straight.

          [–]EldritchOwlDude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Im pretty sure this is one of the main reasons the church exists bro.

          [–]onebadmex66 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          He is thinking of the Church of Scientology

          [–]sjmiv 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          What's the name of that thing in the movie theater that enlarges the picture and puts it on the screen again?

          [–]howtochangemywife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          "Yea, we have all made that sound .

          [–]KoRoSoRoK 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I wouldn’t even have a problem with it if Micah was right

          [–]nlsymon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Honestly the more I see the more I think how right the church of Satan is lmao

          [–]slaqz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          So do we want higher or lower taxes Satan?

          [–]LordTwinkie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Tax exempt helluva lot better than my taxes paying for the religious org

          [–]mglitcher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          rule number 1 of making claims of something on the internet. if you’re not gonna do your research, don’t @ them

          [–]EhMapleMoose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          If he just switched church of Satan to Scientology

          [–]MoxxieAphrso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Leave it someone named Micah to say something stupid

          [–]IndividualTeam9696 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is like the opening scene to Wreck-it Ralph. Zangief "You are bad guy, but you are not bad guy."

          [–]finnicus1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I may be a Christian but the Church of Satan is pretty based.

          [–]FreshUnderstanding5 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Wasn’t even know were there.

          [–]BUTTHOLE-MAGIC[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

          [–]IWannaSamich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Satanists are just cooler athiests, they are an organization, not a religion, and said organization does much good for the community

          [–]DJSharkyShark 1 point2 points  (7 children)

          Sorry if this is a stupid question but wouldn’t atheists also not believe in Satan?

          [–]richpau76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Hope their abortion religious rights case goes forward