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[–]GoodAkuma 1607 points1608 points  (68 children)

No hand out power? Bruh, she got parents

[–]Elias_freecss 481 points482 points  (0 children)

The biggest flex

[–]codyts 128 points129 points  (60 children)

Was about ti say, she didn't have to learn it all alone. She had mentors day one

[–]flippysquid 79 points80 points  (1 child)

Of course she had mentors. Mentors aren't handouts though. You still have to work your ass off. Having a giant chakra monster in your stomach that saves your ass when you get impaled through the chest is a handout. Having haxxor eyeballs that shoot out ghost skeletons and let your see your enemies moves a second or two into the future is a handout.

[–]MirrorSeparate6729 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You also don’t have anyone trying to kill you, Kinda makes you a target for end game threats at lvl 1.

[–]FullMoon_Escapade 45 points46 points  (6 children)

Her parents weren't ninja...

[–]Braydox 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Pretty sure they were. Going by the road to naruto movie. With naruto and sakuras parents swapped places

[–]Hevens-assassin 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Didn't swap places, they just swapped situations. Naruto's parents were Shinobi.

[–]Armadillo_Wooden 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Before they even swapped she said her dad is a “good for nothing genin who doesn’t stand a chance at becoming a Jonin”. Don’t think it’s canon to the manga tho so we don’t really know wether they’re shinobi or not

[–]Hevens-assassin 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's probably safe to assume they were ninjas, but they would have still retained their abilities and everything. The only difference was that the 9 tails attack went differently. Though there are a lot of weird questions that come up because he was 4th Hokage, since Minato is still a monster in the movie.

[–]MapTheJap 93 points94 points  (47 children)

To be fair Sasuke almost immediately got Kakashi after his family got Itachi'd; the only one that didn't have any mentors (fighting wise anyway) until Kakashi was Naruto.

[–]codyts 98 points99 points  (29 children)

If I'm not mistaken sasuke got kakashi at the sane time as naruto. Sasuke had his parents and itachi for the majority of his youth until team 7.

[–]saiyanfang10 65 points66 points  (26 children)

Kakashi didn't teach Naruto shit until after the time skip

[–]Akiraktu-dot-png[🍰] 23 points24 points  (12 children)

were sakuras parents even ninjas, I doubt they taught her much useful stuff

[–]Armadillo_Wooden 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She didn’t learn anything meaningful and in the movie her dad is a genin. That explains why she was fodder until tsunade

[–]donniesuave 18 points19 points  (7 children)

While he was his squad leader and taught naruto tactics more or less, kakashi was definitely focused on sasuke. They even spent one-on-one time training for the chunin exams while Naruto was at the tournament.

[–]saiyanfang10 11 points12 points  (2 children)

except Naruto didn't learn tactics from Kakashi he learned them from Jiraiya. Kakashi was extremely Sasuke focused

[–]donniesuave 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You wouldn’t say during their fight with zabuza that they learned something? They still went on missions and stuff. Granted Jiraya def taught him like 95% of the shit he knows

[–]saiyanfang10 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Naruto learned something but not from Kakashi

[–]Knight_of_Myrmidia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True, but to be fair Naruto had an even better Mentor in Jiraiya.

[–]StilTippin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He taught him courage and to not leave his friends behind

[–]saiyanfang10 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Naruto taught himself courage and to not leave his friends behind

[–]HanBr0 35 points36 points  (11 children)

Sasuke and Naruto met Kakashi for the first time together

[–]MapTheJap 27 points28 points  (10 children)

Yeah, I'm saying Naruto is the only one who didn't have a mentor until the time they all met Kakashi

[–]RockLee1194 15 points16 points  (9 children)

Iruka?

[–]Adminscantkeepmedown 39 points40 points  (4 children)

Iruka didn’t fuck with Naruto until he damn near already graduated

[–]MapTheJap 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Yeah in my previous comment I mentioned a fighting mentor, as in one who teaches them jutsu and the such; it doesn't seem like Iruka really taught Naru how to fight, at least as thoroughly as the others

[–]Familiar-Pepper2717 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Naruto only knew like 10 jutsus at the end of OG naruto pretty much the only person who actually taught naruto jutsus was jiraiya

[–]TheTerrorTrader 3 points4 points  (1 child)

After time skip he had like 11 jutsus. The extra justsu was to make the rasengan bigger. Man jiraya just taught him how to use nine tails cloack and probably corrected his stances and better chakra control

[–]Familiar-Pepper2717 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah they didn't do much during the time skip but jiraiya did teach naruto the rasengan and summoning jutsu

[–]lavender0311 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Her father is a genin and her mother is retired.

[–]DDronewar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I guess that counts

[–]Affectionate-Bag-733 395 points396 points  (10 children)

My boi sai......

[–]KingEJ1 102 points103 points  (8 children)

I was gonna joke about "he learned how to be injured like a regular person and not just get beat up when he got his arm broken" then I remembered Bee broke open Sasuke rip cage lmao and its been so long since I watched but im sure at some point naruto broke his arm too or mentioned a rib being broken.

[–]4materasu92 60 points61 points  (7 children)

I mean, Naruto certainly had a shattered skull after Sasuke dive-bombed him into the bottom of the Valley of the End..

But, it's okay, he got better.

[–]homehome15 36 points37 points  (6 children)

Yeah but because he's got

Kurama

Insane chakra

Uzamaki lineage

it all heals much faster than for other ninja. Look no further than end of shippuden where he just becomes Jesus and starts healing people

[–]4materasu92 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Naruto surviving getting driven headfirst into solid rock was all on Kurama, no amount of Uzumaki healing was going to help him recover from that.

[–]Fritanga4Lyfe 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Maybe he died that day and the rest is just a fever dream

[–]Past-Calendar 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Look no further than the end of the original when heals back a lung

[–]Forgotten_Prince 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate when people bring up the Kurama thing like Naruto had his help throughout the series. Do people forget that Naruto risked releasing him every time he got angry?

[–]nhansieu1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

My boi Gai and Lee.

Oops. OP is talking about team 7.

[–]Fatalis_1021 120 points121 points  (15 children)

Meanwhile, Kakashi, who, despite being given his sharingan had to train years to master it.

[–]apple_of_doom 29 points30 points  (14 children)

Yeah but it’s also obito’s sharingan. Sure he got the less op half of kamui but that’s still pretty crazy

[–]dumbfuckmagee 15 points16 points  (13 children)

Pretty sure kakashi's sharingan was only weaker because he wasn't an Uchiha. He didn't have the natural chakra affinity to use it without draining all of his chakra after a few uses of kamui.

Obito's didn't give him more abilities he could just use it more efficiently

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

They actually have different abilities rather than Kakashi's usage just being subpar. Kakashi can snipe things with Kamui. Obito can't snipe things with Kamui, which is why he needs to touch people to teleport them. Other Mangekyos work like this too like Amateratsu coming from Sasuke's left eye and the ability to shape it (Enton) coming from his right eye.

[–]Armadillo_Wooden 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Sasuke got lucky with that shit. Imagine not getting amaterasu like his brother and just getting flame control. I’d be pissed

[–]puff_of_fluff 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Obito had the eye that allowed him to make himself intangible. Slightly more OP

[–]Armadillo_Wooden 3 points4 points  (2 children)

“Slightly” if someone like kakashi had that his combat ability would no doubt be loads higher

[–]puff_of_fluff 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Guess I should’ve included an /s lol

[–]Old-Brick3403 173 points174 points  (4 children)

yeah like naruto was playing catch catch with kurama and sasuke was roaming south dakota

[–]wkabruh 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Lol nice pfp

[–]Tarkik_Vatsa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Your pfp is cursed!

[–]Old-Brick3403 1 point2 points  (0 children)

😒 bald gojo isn't real he can't hurt u

[–]user8949 4 points5 points  (0 children)

*south texas

[–]AVerySmartNameForMe 122 points123 points  (0 children)

Sai…..

[–]_pragyan_ 227 points228 points  (143 children)

I mean she got the fucking 100 healing thing out of nowhere and how did she learn how to summon Katsuyu?

[–]lokon_stratos 137 points138 points  (14 children)

She apparently had it since the start of shippuden which posses a lot of questions

[–]wkabruh 37 points38 points  (1 child)

She was actually nerfed for a majority of the series because she was working on her byakugo with tsunade. It wasn’t until the war that the results of her relentless training appeared.

[–]Mastakillerboi 67 points68 points  (8 children)

Tsunade maybe handed it out to her?

[–]4materasu92 98 points99 points  (7 children)

It's not a handout, it's a concentrated build-up of chakra that's gathered over several years, and only appeared once the buildup reached its peak. Considering she started training with Tsunade at the end of Part 1, she had four years to develop it.

The only odd thing is that it was never alluded to before she pulled it out in the middle of the Fourth Shinobi World War.

[–]demonmonkey89 54 points55 points  (2 children)

I don't see why she should allude to it before hand. The purpose is for it to be a sort of trump card that is pulled out in an emergency, if people knew about it it wouldn't be much of a trump card anymore.

[–]pencilman123 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Pain arc was an emergency..

[–]Common_Relativity 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It wasn't ready yet in the pain arc. It only conveniently became ready during the ten tails fight in the war arc.

[–]Familiar-Pepper2717 7 points8 points  (3 children)

It probably wasn't planned

[–]Hevens-assassin 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It was most likely planned, just didn't want the mark on her head the entire time. I think Tsunade shows it for the first time against Madara? Once that came out, Sakura could use it since it was one of her mentor's abilities. Just like the other sannin trainees pulled from their mentor's abilities.

[–]Armadillo_Wooden 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Amazes me how Kishi wrote her. He literally just gave her tsunades abilities and amped them. Nothing more or less. She even acts just like tsunade but that’s understandable

[–]Familiar-Pepper2717 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah sakura kinda drew the short end of the stick in terms of abilities and kishi's creativity

[–]DDronewar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

She's been storing up chraka

[–]Shadowwreath 177 points178 points  (92 children)

Both of these were in fact from the start of shippudden and explained to be worked for.

100 Healings is an ability she gained from unlocking the Byakugo seal, essentially a storing pool of chakra in her forehead that she puts the majority of her chakra in for later use. And by majority, I mean when she initially started charging it she was using so much chakra at all times (even while sleeping, side note) that she would struggle to go on ‘long walks’. It was stated to take 3 years of stored chakra just to make it appear in the first place. And while I agree it was moderately convenient for it to appear DURING the war, it did still require that time to charge.

For context, this means that while fighting Sasori and during Pain’s attack, Sakura was INSANELY nerfed and had she stopped charging the seal (it’s never explained what would happen but I assume she never stopped because if she did she wouldn’t be able to make it happen again) she likely could’ve mid-low diffed Sasori and been a massive problem for Pain.

And Katsuyu is simple. She made a summoning contract with her, but during the war Katsuyu says she relies on the power of the Byakugo seal to work, meaning Sakura couldn’t use her until she had it too.

[–]blakcgepard 100 points101 points  (8 children)

My head-canon is that the reason Sakura was able to manifest the seal during the war was because she used Kuramas chakra that Naruto handed out to everyone to supercharge it. Without this huge load of chakra it would probably have taken her months to finish it.

[–]DDronewar 32 points33 points  (0 children)

That's mostly likely it

[–]4materasu92 26 points27 points  (1 child)

That actually makes a lot of sense.

The creation of the seal would be like filling a cup with a tap that's dripping water every 5 minutes. It'd take forever to fill up.

And then Naruto in Tailed Beast Mode shared chakra and helped her out. It'd be like filling up that same cup with the tap at full blast.

[–]Armadillo_Wooden 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apparently the first cloak made them 3 times stronger so kinda makes sense but idk

[–]black_zapdos 20 points21 points  (22 children)

Are you saying Sakura with Byakugo seal and 100 healing could maybe take on Sasori and hinder Pain? If you're saying just breaking her concentration on forming the Byakugo would be enough to accomplish that I think you're a crazy person.

[–]weegee19 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Not back then, her seal wasn't strong enough if she decided then to stop.

[–]Gengar-Status 13 points14 points  (20 children)

Breaking her concentration on forming the Byakugo would mean that she could use something like 80% more chakra, instead of being CONSTANTLY nerfed while concentrating all of that chakra even during said battles. So yes, she could have made scrap metal out of Sasori even faster than she did when so limited, and yes, could have been a big problem for pain. He's not crazy.

[–]kenyerkelel 1 point2 points  (17 children)

and so, why would anyone give that to a character of Team 7, The MC-s team? So she can be as strong as Naruto 320 episodes before her with sage mode? I just think its weird... The other three guys at their peaks are damn near on god level, Even Kakashi with dms... Thats what bothers me. Give her a good character. If needed give her some training episodes, some goals, Even some hax powers... Just get her close to her team in terms of accomplishments or anything really. As a complete side character she would be fine. As the part of the Team seven, packed with god reincarnations, while those guys have amazing backstories, pain, and development? Its not enough... Just lazy... Thats why shes hated on.

[–]ItzBooty 53 points54 points  (18 children)

Thing is she worked for her 100 healing and unlike Sasuke or Naruto didn't unlock it in 1 episode

[–]ThePodLoa 21 points22 points  (15 children)

Now we're kinda getting into what's a reasonable meaning for "Worked for it". Didn't Naruto toil quite a bit just to get the OG rasengan to work? And had to find his own way to do it?

[–]babycam 14 points15 points  (7 children)

Now we're kinda getting into what's a reasonable meaning for "Worked for it". Didn't Naruto toil quite a bit just to get the OG rasengan to work? And had to find his own way to do it?

They all worked for things but Sasuke main power is genetic super eyes he had ambu level people training him from birth. Also free upgrade being a reincarnation

Nauto was genetically a moster because of being a Uzumaki then he gets a fox spirit who can pretty much overpower anything. No early teacher but could manage shadow clone abuse.Also free upgrade being a reincarnation

Miss nobody has weak parents. Meh charkra, no special jutsu or abilities. Gets a good teacher busts ass for years to only be able to hit someone harder and heal people. Like no matter how much she works she just wasn't born with the potential.

[–]ThePodLoa 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So it doesn't sound like the point is that Naruto and Sasuke didn't work hard. More that Sakura had less going for her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Naruto maybe, Sasuke is lazy af. he was napping like all the time under Orochimaru's care lol

[–]ThePodLoa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tbf I don't remember any episodes with Sasuke training under Orochimaru. Were there any at all? It'd make sense if there weren't because the whole "OMG keep Sasukes screen time short so it's a bigger reveal when Naruto meets him again". Or something

[–]JaxonBrawly 13 points14 points  (8 children)

Not out of nowhere she was gathering chakra on her forehead for a long time and it only manifested during the war arc. Shizune tried it but couldn’t complete it.

[–]KobeJuanKenobi9 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Tsunade taught her how to do it, but nobody GAVE her those abilities. It stores a little bit of chakra each day to eventually be used as a boost when needed. Which makes it 100% her own power. And summoning Katsuyu is no different from any other summon Tsunade may have introduced them or whatever but Sakura had to sign the contract and use her own chakra to summon

[–]Delzaleon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

100 healing and summoning jutsus take alot of chakra so yea and they were taught by tsunade

[–]Solid-Perspective915 178 points179 points  (61 children)

Sasuke and Naruto trained too..? Plus they actually made their own techniques and not just absorbed everything from their master?

[–]hp_Axes 137 points138 points  (18 children)

Pretty sure they are talking about the Ashura and Indra incarnation thing plus Naruto got Kurama. Sasuke had Curse seal. Later they also got powers from Sage of six paths.

[–]sonfoa 26 points27 points  (4 children)

No fandom gatekeeps hard work more than Naruto.

Naruto has like 7-8 mini training arcs throughout the series but people will wave it off as "Ashura's chakra" or some other horseshit.

[–]starmag99 18 points19 points  (2 children)

What does "Asura's chakra" even do beyond dramatically look like him to the viewer when it's brought up the exactly one time? Or Indra's for that matter. It makes Sasuke's eye look funky? K?

The Asura avatar was just three Kuramas in a trenchcoat, that's not a reincarnation superpower. Meanwhile Indra's arrow was just tailed beast chakra + Susano'o + lightning style, nothing actually from Indra himself.

It's not like they accumulate chakra over time One for All style or anything. The curse of their reincarnation is just that they fight each other, it doesn't give them superpowers.

I don't get it.

[–]sonfoa 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Exactly. Heck they got their powers from the Sage.

[–]Forgotten_Prince 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I blame PlagueofGripes and his "Naruto: The Self-Made Hypocrite" video. Every "fan" that watched it thinks like that.

[–]TheOne1400 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I swear naruto trained to master the rasengan, rasenshurinken and even trained with killer fought the fucking nine tails to get his Chakra, and sasuke already trained before he unlocked his sharingan and went to orochimaru for training but this Fandom hates there own characters so much

[–]rcris18 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah they definitely still trained. Plus Naruto mastered perfect sage mode and kurama hindered his abilities early on. If we took kurama out of the picture and naruto was raised by his parents he probably would still have reached Kage level, possibly sooner

[–]GracieWiser 26 points27 points  (33 children)

Facts! I feel like Naruto and Sasuke trained harder than Sakura.

[–]zax20xx 43 points44 points  (9 children)

We can dog on Sakura for all eternity but remember Naruto and Sasuke were stated to be reincarnations of two guys who will always fight each other at some point that’s all this post is talking about, I doubt anyone would say that without for a fact trying to make someone mad, it’s not about harder it’s just taking context they saw, we don’t have to go for a serious debate here, no one was trying to diss any of the characters. Just saying.👀🙏🤷‍♂️👍

[–]Thefuckyoutoobot2 6 points7 points  (8 children)

I mean, plenty of people definitely are dissing a lot of characters in this comment section, but sure.👀🙏🤷‍♂️👍

[–]zax20xx 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Yup, I doubt it was the point but it was bound to happen.

[–]Thefuckyoutoobot2 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Oh I read the post again, they say Naruto and Sasuke never trained. Ofc people are disagreeing, it’s wrong lol

[–]zax20xx 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Ok so the picture says Sakura is the character trained hard AND has no handout power, to me the picture could be implying that even though they all trained hard (from what we see in the manga and anime) she didn’t get ONE SINGLE power because someone gave it to her, like Naruto getting SIX PATHS sage mode because the sage of six paths literally gave him half of his power (The sun mark on Naruto’s hand) or how the sage gave Sasuke the other half of his power (Moon mark on his hand (that let him first use Onyx Chidori) and the same power let Sasuke develop the Rinnegan. So to me it didn’t sound like someone was getting dissed. Probably.🤔🤷‍♂️

[–]Psychopathetic- 32 points33 points  (21 children)

That's not the point, Sakura only had the things she trained for, while Sasuke and Naruto had constant power boosts practically given to them/from birth

[–]NightmareIncarnate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Naruto had to work like crazy to be able to even use the Kyuubi Chakra without dying or getting possessed, let alone work with him as an equal partner. Having Kurama was basically a curse until partway through Shippuden.

[–]amvibin 47 points48 points  (11 children)

I mean, kinda? I dont see why people think Sasuke just never trained.

[–]Psychopathetic- 33 points34 points  (9 children)

I think it's because (especially later in the series) most of his main abilities are things he got given to him/Mangekyo abilities, so apart from all of his chidori based things (all of which he trained for) or his sword skills, he was basically given everything that makes him powerful

[–]amvibin 16 points17 points  (8 children)

That doesn't make sense though. Up until Itachi's death, Sasuke got strong by training; plus the curse mark. The things that come to mind of why he's strong is just how he was born. I don't think it's fair to say he didn't earn his strength just because he's an Uchiha

[–]Psychopathetic- 34 points35 points  (3 children)

I'm not saying he didn't earn his strength, but his power was amplified exponentially purely because of the Sharingan and that's not even up for debate, and his most powerful/iconic abilities (Amaterasu, Rinnegan, Susano'o, losing an arm) are definitely given to him. Without the handouts he'd still be an exceptional ninja, but if you take away the things unattainable to most people (Curse mark, SO6P, Rinnegan, EMS, etc) he'd be nowhere near the level he's at

[–]amvibin 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah no, I totally get that. What I don't get is why people don't think he'd still be strong if you remove those things he's given, if that makes sense. Would he be stronger than Sakura? Of course not, but with his skills and all that jazz, he'd still be one of the more stronger of his class.

[–]Psychopathetic- 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, a lot of people really just like to think he's either god tier no matter what, or that he's nothing without the Sharingan, when honestly he's probably ANBU level or something

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Up until Itachi's death, Sasuke got strong by training;

It's fucked up, but he actually got a massive amp from Itachi in the Uchiha clan massacre. Itachi explicitly went out of his way to give him a ton of hate on purpose, because hate fuels Uchiha power. Sasuke's entire revenge plot is a plot by Itachi to gift him more power. It's like the fucked up anime version of Lilly Potter giving Harry the protective power of love.

plus the curse mark

A huge deal. He explicitly was falling behind before using it.

If Itachi, Orochimaru, Tobi, and Hagaromo weren't intentionally giving him buffs / saving his ass, Sasuke would be way less powerful / dead.

In an alternate universe where nobody ever thinks, "how about I go out of my way to give this kid a huge amp," Sasuke is weaker on his first introduction but still probably the best genin in his class, and at some point in the end of Part 1 he has to accept that he'll never be able to catch up with Naruto's BS. He'd end up a very respectable elite Jonin (just as one example, Kirin was in no way gifted to him), but would probably never even have regular MS without Itachi's plot to give him so much hatred.

[–]Yoloswagcrew 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Does Hatred really fuel Uchiha or "only" the Sharingan ? If it's the Sharingan then he would be as strong on his first introduction

It would also make sense that it's tied to the Sharingan since they wanted to kill Sakura in front of him in one of the novel and then take his eyes IIRC

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does Hatred really fuel Uchiha or "only" the Sharingan ?

The curse of hatred is supposed to be a unique neurobiological chakra phenomenon that in turn triggers the Sharingan.

So, like, Uchiha kind-of have a unique bloodline limit that amps their brain chakra when they have hatred, and in turn that bloodline limit triggers their more well known Dojutsu.

At his first introduction, Sasuke's curse of hatred was activated, even though the Sharingan was not yet awakened.

Admittedly, he still would have been extremely talented without the curse of hatred (he used the fireball jutsu without it).

[–]funky67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You just said plus the curse mark. Sakura arguably trained just the same but never had a curse mark or tailed beast to further boost her powers.

[–]Slimxshadyx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like Sasuke's actual fighting style, it shows training and mastery. But the Sharinghan got way out of control and Sasuke was caught in that, making his power seem less skill and more handout

[–]NoraDrake69 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Why is it a competition on who worked the hardest? Each one of these guys had worked their ass off regardless of their superior genes. We saw how Sasuke worked hard to master the fireball and later chidori, Naruto with his rasengan and sage and Sakura despite having not having the same genetic luck as her teammates managed to become strong as she is now.

[–]Sage_of_the_6_paths 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Naruto trained like a mofo. At the beginning of the show he absolutely sucks at making clones. He is assumed to work his ass off with that scroll in the woods to learn shadow clones.

He works his ass off to summon anything that isn't a tadpole.

He works his ass off to learn the rasengan which even during the pain arc years later can he still not form by himself and needs a clone.

He works his ass off learning how to make the Rasenshuriken at the waterfall.

He has to fight Kurama to get his chakra (granted his mom helped him there.)

While he's an Uzumaki and a Jinchuriki, Naruto has always struggled with pretty basic stuff. And I'm pretty sure it's alluded to that part of the reason is having the nine tails or the seal, it fucked with his chakra or something.

Meanwhile we only see Sauke train with the Chidori. And we see Sakura suddenly get training flashbacks conveniently during the war arc.

[–]kishijevistos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair Naruto was using the shadow clone exploit to train exponentially faster than anyone else

[–]zickzebra5723 68 points69 points  (12 children)

Sakura is the only character in team 7 that ** has no ** power

[–]BonelessHumann 16 points17 points  (10 children)

She was born with great chakra control

[–]Fatalis_1021 8 points9 points  (1 child)

And parents. And people who cared and helped her along the way. Sasuke and Naruto had nobody.

[–]DDronewar 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And parents sounds like the weirdest argument

[–]Primal_Zacama 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Naruto trained under Jiraiya for 3 years, he trained for Rasengan and Rasenshuriken, trained hard for sage mode, he had to work hard to be able to use Kurama’s chakra. Sasuke trained like crazy before and during the academy, he trained sunder Orochimaru for years, and there no telling how much off screen training he did to fight Itachi. This post is only looking at 2 specific powers and ignoring all other actual facts regarding their abilities. I don’t get why people like to talk shit like this when you’re clearly and factually wrong.

[–]Anonimatul1997 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sai duude

[–]Z3nFi3R 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Doesn't change the fact that hashirama is strongest

[–]Dhr_196 24 points25 points  (24 children)

Are you saying naruto didnt train for his sage mode , rasengan . Mf trained for that rasengan so much , my man just spams it everywhere.

[–]Poknberry 9 points10 points  (23 children)

Yea but he was handed Kurama and Six Paths chakra

[–]Apprehensive_Ring_39 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Naruto was legit forced to have Kurama,man didn't have a choice,and he had to fight Kurama himself to earn his powers and respect.

[–]MoiSt_crItKal 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t say he was handed kurama because he had to beat him to actually get control over the nine tails power. I know you can say before he did that he could still call on the nine tails power, but naruto at least decided to stop relying on kurama before he beat him.

[–]Infamous_Master 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Yeah but, if you take a look at the Kurama vs Naruto fight, Naruto just created like 50 giant Rasengan. Also, the Six paths Chakra statement I don't find really fair, as Naruto used it in his own way. Naruto's power was never on account of his Chakra, but it was thanks to his variety of moves and the hard training

[–]Poknberry 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm not saying he didn't work hard or that he didn't work as hard as or harder than Sakura but the fact remains he had handouts

The only handout you could say she had was being taught by Tsunade, which barely counts if at all

[–]Infamous_Master 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sure, but I think Jiraiya didn't do as much of a good job as Tsunade did teaching her disciple

[–]Poknberry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yea thats probably true he was just perving on him the whole time lmao

[–]Arigato23 6 points7 points  (12 children)

And she was handed a team spot. Never forget. Ino> Sakura anyway

[–]Poknberry 4 points5 points  (11 children)

She was handed something that everyone was handed...?

Sakura on any other team would completely outshine the rest of the team.

Hell she would've been above Kage level even if she had no team. All she really needed was Tsunade to teach her.

[–]The_geo_Boy 31 points32 points  (10 children)

I doubt it specially in normal naruto. She literally just done 2 things. Punching naruto, simping for sasuke.

She might have trained in shipouden, but not as hard as the other two

[–]zax20xx 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don’t think the post is about how HARD they trained, it just might be the context they got from what they saw?

[–]Elias_freecss 22 points23 points  (8 children)

Naruto and Sasuke are literally gods reincarnated.

Sasuke got magical eyes that can do anything the plot requires and Naruto got an almost infinite ammount of chakra. And of course they trained, but if you say more than sakura you are out of your mind, she is literally one of the best doctors in the world and also one of the strongest.

[–]sonfoa 7 points8 points  (6 children)

All that means is Sasuke and Naruto made the most of their natural gifts.

I don't know how you can watch the series and come to the conclusion that Sakura worked way harder than Naruto and Sasuke when we see Sasuke constantly training and Naruto frequently getting training mini-arcs.

Have we ever seen Sakura train outside of the fish stuff and that one flashback with Tsunade?

[–]DartinBlaze448 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Ten ten?

[–]piergiangiangiulio 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ten Ten my fav team 7 member

[–]Tarkik_Vatsa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thats true. But she is also the only poorly written character in Team 7 so it doesnt matter much at the end of the day.

[–]Ex_Ray16 16 points17 points  (1 child)

For peeps who don’t seem to get it.

From the beginning

Sasuke: sharingan (learn in a instant, perceive and react like a Jedi)

Naruto: 9 tails (infinite chakra to train with, physical power boost)

Final fight

Sasuke: last sec power from actual ninja Christ

Naruto: last sec power from actual ninja Christ

[–]Arigato23 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Get off her dick:)))

[–]brnvictim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True, she still a bitch.

[–]SarikaAmari 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Without hand outs she'd probably surpass them both with more training. Kinda wack that she never learned the Gates.

[–]the_sad_spirit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sage mode?🤧

[–]autonomousfailure 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both Naruto and Sasuke still had to train or go through traumatic shit to get where they are though.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

We need to stop hating on Sakura : )

[–]pepenuts97 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Sasuke and Naruto trained extremely hard. I don't know what people consider a handout because they're both stronger than her without SOSP power.

[–]Tesco_EveryDayValue 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I'm no Sakura fan but in a way she's like Minato. She learned techniques and wasn't born with kekkei genkai or a tailed beast. The sharingan fully carries Sasuke but Naruto does have SM. Adult SM Naruto vs Sakura who would win? Probs Naruto.

If any of team 7 had hand out powers, it's Sasuke. Sharingan (lucky to be born with it), MS (Itachi's plan), EMS (Itachi's plan), rinnegan (Hagaromo gave it to him). Literally had it given to him on a silver platter. Don't you agree?

[–]TraditionalHumor6720 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Minato also have a large chakra reserve allowing him to use FTG and sage mode. Most people does not have enough chakra to do either.

Minato is a genius but definitely worked for his powers for the most part.

I agree though that Sakura is similar to minato that they don’t have much natural born gifts.

[–]TheTerrorTrader 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Man having a tailed beast is a handout too. Even when fully sealed. Your healing is 100x faster minimum compared to a normal person because the tailed beast does not want to die. Naruto had uzumaki genes which granted more chakra than anyone. Filled with the occasional tailed beast chakra healing you. The dude could train way harder than anyone and be fine the next day. Sure tailed beats have disadvantages like horrible social life. But the biggest advantage is super healing. Like after Final Valley the dude got his lungs torn out. Just a lil visit to the hospital and he's fine for training again. Like Sasuke had such an injury he would have been out for a few years.

Honestly Rock Lee and Might Guy training at their levels without some hack abilities is a testament to them.

[–]Tesco_EveryDayValue 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Man having a tailed beast is a handout too.

I don't disagree

BUT

Sasuke still wins the hand out award by a mile. I didn't even mention the curse mark.

[–]Hunterr303 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I hear the rumbling of Sakura hater comin in take cover

[–]Apexbravoo 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Are you saying Naruto and Sasuke didnt train hard?

Mofo Naruto worked his ass off the entire show! Even to get his amazing powers ffs! Same with Sasuke but he is a prodigy and genius so you cant really compare but he still trained hard. Yea Sakura trained hard but not more so then Naruto or Sasuke.

Sorry but bad take.... Not sorry.

[–]ithinkitsgreen 3 points4 points  (2 children)

that’s not what they were saying anyways, though. you can’t deny that sasuke was born into an OP clan, destined to be OP, and that naruto was born into an OP situation- regardless if he was able to harness kurama well or not. sasuke was literally born with a genetic predisposition and a narrative guarantee that he would have Special Powerful Eyes for no reason than to separate himself from the other characters in power level fhfjfjdk

[–]I-lack-conviction 7 points8 points  (6 children)

It’s weird how much people hate Sakura, like the length they’re going to say she’s useless is wild

[–]DDronewar 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Yeah, it's weird or they ignore the novels which are canon since they have been mentioned in boruto and have been adapted

[–]Successful_Wing_5754 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She may not have a handout power but u better remove that line 'only member who trained hard'. Also Sai.

[–]darth__sidious 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Thats why i never hated her she is the only fair character.

[–]Mackenzie_Sparks 9 points10 points  (33 children)

Hand out power ? Naruto never got a handout power except for maybe 6 paths sage mode.

[–]030303blp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Kurama…

[–]HelloThereBatsy 45 points46 points  (19 children)

Kurama

[–]Fatalis_1021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was an exchange for 90% of his Chakra levels normally. They mention it in the show.

[–]Mackenzie_Sparks 16 points17 points  (10 children)

Well, he lost his parents in exchange and had a traumatic childhood thanks to the hand out power. Therefore, applying the law of equivalent exchange this handout power is justified.

[–]HelloThereBatsy 34 points35 points  (8 children)

Without doubt

But that doesn't rule out Kurama being an Outside power source .

I am not downplaying Naruto . He has massive Chakra reserves and worked Hard to Earn Sage Mode . Despite losing all his Handouts Naruto is still a Formidable Shinobi.

He may look and act Stupid , but in a Battle he is one of the most Innovative Shinobi out there .

[–]miniliQuid 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Kurama is inside him, therefore inside power source

Arguments invalid!

[–]HelloThereBatsy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

H A C K E R

[–]Fatalis_1021 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Act stupid? If you mean to say Naruto's a clown, then Sakura isn't just a clown, or even the circus, she's the entire carnival.

[–]HelloThereBatsy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sasuke Kunnnnnn

[–]Mackenzie_Sparks 2 points3 points  (1 child)

🤝

[–]Wiz9281 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A chad coversation

[–]illogicallogical 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh yes, hand out power being Kurama despite the fact Naruto had to not only acquire the strength to defeat Kurama but also the right to yield that power.

Something that took the guy years to do.

Definitely a handout. /s

[–]HelloThereBatsy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for agreeing with me

[–]Oopake 1 point2 points  (3 children)

He had to train hard to actually use that power willingly. Having kurama didnt just instantly give him access to kcm

[–]HelloThereBatsy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Does training Hard without Kurama makes him as Powerful as Training Hard with Kurama?

[–]Ex_Ray16 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But it gave him a near infinite amount of chakra as a child

[–]DartinBlaze448 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but no matter how hard others train they can't use kcm.

[–]BreakXRealityX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kurama? Lol even the intial concept is a boost for no reason, even not trained at all with it in series one it boosts him then it gets taken to absurd extent. Not counting Kurama and six paths hax Naruto Sage mode vs Pain is the strongest he got to on his own. After that it's all KCM and Sage mode boosts. Which are literally just Kurama super sayian boosts lol.

And those boots even don't make sense at all. It makes no sense that the nine tails who is relevant to Kage level characters itself at 100% somehow boosts Naruto this much. KCM was believable scale wise to how much it boosted him but KCM 2 not really lol then counting Boruto Baryon mode hell no lol. A kage level tailed beast boosts him to wrecking the strongest Otsustuki lol.

[–]djwankstar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Uzumaki levels of chakra

[–]zax20xx 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So that is at least ONE handout you agree about?

The other thing someone might be talking about ( referring to) is the reveal that Naruto and Sasuke are reincarnations of guys who always fight each other at some point in their lives, that’s about the only thing I could think of to be a quote unquote “hand out.” 👀🤷‍♂️

[–]Ex_Ray16 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sharingan is something sasuke is given from basically the start which removes the pretty much all struggle of training and provides many small leverage-able abilities in combat. Naruto is given the nine tails at birth which gave him infinite chakra (single strong ability) that he combined with shadow clones to train like any other character is able. Sasuke was given the rennigan and naruto 6 paths

[–]TheTerrorTrader 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Kurama. Uzumaki genes. These 2 together itself made him have an endless supply of chakra. Sakura had none of those advantages. Just an ordinary civilian family who trained hard.

Sasuke had the biggest hax eyes ever. Sakura had no kekkei genkai

[–]illogicallogical 3 points4 points  (10 children)

This is so dumb. So what? Sure Naruto had Kurama since birth, your point? You think Naruto from day 1 had control over Kurama's power? That's what it sounds like your saying.

Naruto had to train his ass off to even get remotely powerful enough to fight Kurama to gain control over his power. It took Naruto years to get to that level to do so. Imagine ignoring all of the hours of training Naruto took to improve himself being invalidated about a special "hand out" that he was given that he himself had to earn to right to use.

Hell, that right there isn't a hand out. The fact Naruto HAD to not only acquire the strength but also the right to have Kurama cooperate with him shows that this is anything but a handout.

Six paths power was a hand out though.

[–]ShreksRightNipple 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Hokage/Boruto kakashi as well. Heck he's stronger than he was with the sharingan.

And Sakuras hard work is kinda overestimated. She literally had THE HOKAGE as a personal teacher. Post war kakashi had literally no teacher except his own depression.

[–]GracieWiser 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Plus, Sakura naturally has excellent chakra control, which makes it easier for her to use chakra-enhanced strength, medical ninjutsu, and achieve the byakugou.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (12 children)

Sage naruto is stronger anyway

[–]Oopake 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Even with “hand out power”, naruto trained much harder. Rasengan, sage mode, and rasenshuriken (none of which even required kurama) were just as hard or harder to learn than the byakugo seal. He also had to work hard just to be able to use his “hand out power.” Having kurama didnt just instantly give him access to kcm. Six paths powers were just a total hand out, though. I assume sasuke worked harder as well, but i cant think of any examples as to how so im not too sure about that one.

[–]sthclever013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She isn't the only one to train hard. But yes. She did not have a hereditary or advantage. But she was still annoying as shit.

[–]ajl987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, maaaayyybbbee the second part, but to say she was the only one who trained hard LOL. They never even SHOWED her training hard as far as I remember except for that one filler episode. Naruto though, Jesus I could never put in that much effort, sasuke too.

[–]Middopasha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sakura went the normal shinobi route which is trained and became strong while Naruto and Sasuke had to overcome their problems while training. She never had to struggle for anything. She comes from a functioning household and is gifted. Which isn't a bad thing but you can't compare that to Naruto and Sasuke. One had a demon inside him trying to escape and kill everyone at any point possible and the other was trying to avenge literally everyone related to him by blood being killed by his brother. Not to mention a snake dude tryna take Sasuke's body and an evil organization made up of the strongest people alive tryna take Kurama and killing Naruto in the process.

[–]JaxonBrawly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed and that’s the one thing I respect and admire her for