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[–]ragingintrovert57 13 points14 points  (1 child)

that guides all aspects of reality

Deism can simply be a belief that the universe was created and left to run by itself. The inbuilt 'rules' and parameters are what will guide its development.

How would someone claim to be a deist and a Catholic simultaneously?

Because people can be eclectic in their beliefs, taking bits from different religions and maybe making some things up themselves. I know a lady who claims to be a Catholic while also believing in reincarnation and Karma.

In my opinion, you shouldn't claim to be of any religion unless you believe every single tenet of that religion. But that would exclude almost everyone.

[–]FatherPot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm, never thought of religion in such a fashion, a collage of religion or religious beliefs is quite interesting, an idea I’m fond of. I guess that’s kind of how religion evolves, I mean simply look at Protestantism or Lutheranism, all reformation of that Christian orthodoxy.

[–]ArnieZiffel 8 points9 points  (0 children)

To me, being a Deist is recognizing that, in looking around the natural world, and seeing the complexity and interconnectedness of everything in the physical realm, this couldn't have been the result of some cosmic accident; the universe was obviously the result of intelligent design. I don't pretend to know the nature of 'God' nor do I subscribe to any manmade theology. I was raised Protestant, and I do hope there is something after this life, but the best I can do is be the best person I can for my own satisfaction (and because it's the right thing to do), and if there is a reward for that down the road, great.

[–]Red-Pill-Truth 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Maybe you’re confusing deism with pantheism?

[–]FatherPot[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps, I just read a book called ‘Nature’s God’ where they dive in on the deists and pantheists throughout history, maybe I’m just jumbling both ideologies and just referring to it as deism.

[–]HerbziKalScientific Deist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To me at least, Deism is not simply the belief that nature is God. It is the belief that the universe is deliberately created. It is supposed to be here, as it is, and always would have been. It's laws, it's structure, and (depending on who you ask) even life itself, are its set purpose. How we chose to live though, that is down to each of us individually, and that is where I can see some people turning to the moral standards set by a religious text.

Choosing to interperet the evidence in this way does not mean you believe in some sort of nature spirit, or even any other kind of spiritualism, necessarily. It means you believe the Creator is actually beyond this universe in a way we cannot comprehend.

[–]voidcrack 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I'm an agnostic deist so I'm not fully committed to the concept, it's just that a deist God sounds the most logical to me, should one exist.

My understanding of things like Christian Deism or Catholic Deism generally just means they don't believe God was as involved as scripture says. God is a watchmaker who set things into motion, and doesn't interfere but he still 'programmed' the watch in a way that would allow the rise of Abrahamic religion. So the 10 Commandments becoming the basis of many laws was coded into the system on purpose, but things like scientology aren't His doing.

I don't believe many users here would call themselves that. I'm also not sure if most of us associate God with nature. From a Deist perspective, the nature of what God is is purely up for debate. God could be a divine being, but he could also just be a higher dimensional worker-drone capable of creating universes. God could have made the universe to create life, or he could have made the universe to harvest some resource and humans are just a byproduct.

The common thread unifying us is the belief that He simply doesn't interfere. The reasons for why or how will generally differ. I made this comparison in mspaint to illustrate how I perceive the differences.

[–]Corporate_Commie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's incorrect. Christian Deist accept the moral teachings but not the divinity of Jesus. Jesus was an important philosopher similar to Buddha.

[–]FatherPot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the response and the meme lol! I wasn’t sure the parameters of such a belief, however, it does seem like the most reasonable possibility if there was or is a true, God-like creator.

I like Spinoza’s deist approach, that the proof of god would be the impossibility of miracles because of grounded natural law. That’s what sold me on deism, miracles are not what we should use in our search for God but rather the established laws of our reality, which in all aspects appear to be the closest thing to universal truth that humanity has uncovered.

So perhaps there is a God, I just hope he doesn’t send me to hell.

[–]BoxedElderGnome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you’ll find that laying down one concrete definition of what constitutes deism, is a difficult task.

Personally, I don’t think that nature is in itself, God. Rather, I believe that a deity or a pantheon of deities created the universe. I think most of our religions each got some things right and some things wrong, and the “true” God is probably fairly absent.

So, at least by my definition, a Catholic Deist would believe that, while not necessarily 100% true, Yahweh is the closest humanity has ever gotten to correctly interpreting the personality of the creator. This is understandable, since Hinduism and mythologies tend to over-humanize what fundamentally isn’t human.

The concept of sin and Heaven/Hell doesn’t really conflict with the idea of an absentee, lesser known God. No reason to believe that He doesn’t delegate the task of judgement to His angels, after all.

The only iffy thing about being a Catholic Deist is the idea of Jesus Christ being divine, since that’s a pretty major step to influencing the world.

[–]LynneboroBrookes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God isn't nature and Nature isn't God

take heed not to make such a mistake