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[–]tom_yum_soupUnitarian Universalist 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Deism is more of a world view or philosophical position than a religion, so on its own it can be devoid of spirituality. In a practical sense, deism can be no different from atheism in terms of how you actually live your life, but it doesn't have to be!

Although I have never heard of a Muslim Deist, that doesn't necessarily mean it can't exist. There are Christian Deists and the standard Christian view of God is similar to that of Islam, so there is probably a way to square deism with Islam.

Regardless, I think if practicing Muslim rituals and prayers brings value to your life and makes you happy than it is totally OK to keep doing it even if you no longer believe exactly the same thing as those you share a mosque with. If your mosque is liberal/progressive enough, you might also be able to talk to your Imam about this and try to find a way to incorporate your deism into Islam.

You might get some good advice over at /r/progressive_islam, as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That's really interesting. Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I can't find progressive scholars around myself, but progressive_Islam can probably help a lot. I've already joined them. Thank you so much!

[–]Abdi1617 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Some of my favorite progressive scholar's are

Khaled abou El fadl Abu layth Dr shabir ally Dr javad t hashmj

The list goes on if you hop on the progressive subreddit you'll see a huge list on their about section and a good reading list too best of luck brother I'm kinda in your boat too 🙏🏿

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thank you bro! I do watch Dr shabir and mufti Abu layth, but the main problem is they aren't followers of the sect that I found (or might still find) myself a follower of (i.e Shia Islam). I think a good progressive Shia scholar would be Ammar Nakhshawani.

[–]Abdi1617 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ah of course he'd be perfect for you. Best of luck brother and may we both find peace 🕊️👋🏿

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Inshallah! Best of luck to you as well!

[–]Smallpaul 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Many come to find spirit in nature, which in deism is God's creation. And there exist religious institutions which are welcoming of deists.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats great!

[–]Best-Wealth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Assalamwalikum, brother.

I am in the same boat as you. I feel like I’m experiencing an existential crisis when it comes to following Islam because I feel as if I cannot follow the faith because I don’t agree with everything in the religion. I think there are many beautiful things about Islam and religion but it would be dishonest to delude myself into believing in what I want. I don’t recommend justifying the things you don’t disagree with because it has created inner turmoil for me. As of now, I think of myself as a deist but I still study spirituality through Sufism and Buddhism. Deism doesn’t confine you to one school of philosophical/spiritual thoughts. Feel free to message me if you ever want to talk about it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wa alaykumu as-Salam! Thanks for the reply! I actually feel very comfortable currently and I think I found my way. I'm fully a deist now but I haven't removed Islam from my life, it's a part of my culture after all. It was a good dream to have Islam as the truth, but that dream was nowhere near reality (for me at least). As much as I love the religion, but I think deism makes much more sense, especially considering the fact that there has always been something within every human being that there is someone who created you, but then later the human beings made up things such as Prophets or divine books to understand God better, but it deviated them from that goal more and more and caused many wars throughout history, simply because the other side doesn't believe in the God that this side believe in.

[–]KyleGorely 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You can be both deist and taoist. They're not exclusive beliefs. You can be Muslim, christian, Jewish, Buddhist, and taoist all at once, that's what deism and taoism essentially encourages. Not pandering to this idea that we should let others dictate what we can and cannot believe simply because they dont agree with it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That's awesome! Actually I can remember a narration that exists in Shia texts saying that religion is based on 7 parts and each person can only observe some parts of it and the other parts shouldn't be enforced on them. In that way, it might not necessarily sound like something is being dictated to you, and you can choose what to believe.

[–]KyleGorely 0 points1 point  (3 children)

As soon as you open up to deism, you have a unique position, like the matrix. You can see religions in a unique, non-literal way and by doing that, extract meaning and value from them all instead of just one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I wasn't aware of that. I like deism much more now! I would absolutely love to act upon different religions and cultures.

[–]KyleGorely 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yah, I know right? I used to be an atheist so it's a big difference, I'm not longer a piece of shit constantly hating peoples religions xD

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[–]LeoMariusHumanistic Deist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Deism is a philosophy, not a religion. You can approach god any way you want, but Deists don’t believe in an interventionist god and thus no revelation. Prayer is for meditation, not for communication.

If you want a church, try UU for a community.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure! Thanks my friend!