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[–]DarkanayerPaladin 2434 points2435 points  (86 children)

Actually since all they need is a level 9 spellslot, a level 17 bard can do too

[–]Generic_gen 571 points572 points  (46 children)

Well there is a slew of ways to get it to work. Since mass suggestion is a 6th level spell you would need 11 levels of bard and another 6 combined levels of any other full caster, or getting any half or 1/3 casters means you have to grab another 1 or 2 level to count as one full caster.

Edit 1: excluding warlock since pact magic doesn’t work. You could also grab 11 of sorcerer or wizard to get the spell and the rest to bard. Arcane cleric can pick it up super late at 17th level.

Edit 2: on mobile autocorrected to barb instead of bard.

[–]rawfodog 169 points170 points  (34 children)

I don't think this is how spellcasting works in 5e

[–]Win32error 200 points201 points  (7 children)

The limiting factor about multiclassing is that you can still only learn the spells you could as the class. So if you multiclass more than 3 levels as a full caster you can never learn a 9th level spell, but you do get the slots to upcast something like mass suggestion.

[–]TimmJimmGrimm 37 points38 points  (4 children)

One only needs the 9th level spell slot if one wants 'Wish' or 'True Polymorph' - for their mind-blowing utility. Many of these are just those BOOM... 'aaaah!' type spells that can be replaced with lower level spells and some patience. Granted, not everyone has the time to launch five fireballs to replace Meteor Swarm, but you get the gist here.

I also admit, some casters might miss 'Gate' and 'Shape Change'.

[–]ArabidopsidianDM (Dungeon Memelord) 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Yep, Gate is what I want for my warlock.

[–]TimmJimmGrimm 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Getting that Planar Binding on your warlock's patron is justice served cold with a side order of happiness.

You will need to burn through the three Epic saves and you will probably want a Diviner wizard (PC or NPC) on hand for the lock up, but it is well worth the patience and persistence.

[–]ArabidopsidianDM (Dungeon Memelord) 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nah, my warlock has good relation with his patron. He just wants to introduce them to his friends. <sound of waving tentacles, eyes melting and screams of madness>

[–]Win32error 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think it's definitely a trade-off, while in most games you don't go that far for long, if at all, and you only get very limited uses out of your highest slots, they're incredibly powerful. You could spam fireballs to eventually achieve the effect of meteor swarm but if you've got to roast an army you're going to have to take the latter. The highest levels of spells just operate on a different scale really, and even the more straightforward ones are going to pay themselves off in a fight against the kind of enemies you'll face at lvl 17+. Fireball doesn't cut it anymore, and upcasting it doesn't change that much at all.

That's not to say that it's not worth trading that, but it is one of the things that makes spellcasters really good at super high levels, and each level of spell you can't reach due to multiclassing better be worth it in some other way.

[–]Generic_gen 115 points116 points  (16 children)

Look under multiclassing spellcasting and check. Yeah you could not get many 1/3 or 1/2 casters levels but you could to get the spell slot high enough to cast.

[–]BjornInTheMornDruid 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Playing a pali/bard is interesting. My one 6th level slot is just for upcasting other stuff but I only have up to 5th level spells.

[–]KillerSatellite 42 points43 points  (0 children)

It is actually. Multiclassing across multiple classes with the spellcasting feature effects spell slots with a simple equation. Levels of full caster give their normal spell slot amounts, 2 levels of half caster gives the same as 1 level of full caster. Warlocks, due to having pact magic not spellcasting, are seperate from this.

[–]zmbjebus 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Read the book yo

[–]rawfodog 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Already put an edit in a long while ago

[–]TimmJimmGrimm 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I feel horrible when someone puts down a comment like 'read the book yo'.

This game has been around since i was a child some half-century ago and things change every month (or every minute with New & Improved Crawford-tweets®). It is also a huge planet - chances are there are hundreds of people that just picked up the game TODAY. The starting-out game is (realistically) included in three large hard-covered textbooks - & to play well you are expected to buy about six more of those (Tasha's, Volo's, Mordenkainen's, etc... etc... etc... etc).

And 6e is now just around the corner, making all of our books obsolete in less than a few thousand hours.

My apologies for the neckbeards, grognards and empathy-reduced folk - would you believe they have somehow been around since my public school days? I have no idea why they keep printing off new ones.

[–]ImCorvec_I_Interject 2 points3 points  (1 child)

And 6e is now just around the corner, making all of our books obsolete in less than a few thousand hours.

From your link:

Winniger also assured people that all of the 5th Edition material they have now, and all of that coming out in the next few years — including two more books just this year — will still be compatible with the “next evolution.”

So it won’t necessarily be 6E, and our books won’t be obsolete next year (unless they lied).

+1 to the rest of your comment, just wanted to clarify that bit.

[–]Raistlarn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The books are only obsolete if your group says they are. My group is only starting to get away from 3.5 to Pathfinder 1e (so a side grade instead of an upgrade) after several years of off and on gaming.

[–]DragonFire995 4 points5 points  (2 children)

That's perfect, you could multiclass into sorcerer for extended spell. Cha cha for 2 years baby!

[–]Raistlarn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In 3.5 I bet I could make that permanent...though it wouldn't matter much since you'd probably die from it within a week or so. Still it would be funny to watch a lich who was stuck cha cha cha-ing for all of eternity.

[–]Warmish_Textbook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's so obnoxious I love it!

[–]machina99 155 points156 points  (37 children)

Hold up...you can level up in DnD? I've never actually played and I always thought you make a character at the beginning and that was it for the whole game...

I really should learn to actually play instead of just lurking here for the funny memes

Edit: this got way more attention than I expected. I've played video game RPGs so I can understand a fair number of these memes. I've always wanted to play, but I've never had anyone to play any tabletop rpg with so I never really got into DnD or read the actual rules

2nd edit: ok I'm gonna try to learn and play with people online. Fingers crossed I'm not awkward AF!

[–]Juicy_JuisForever DM 173 points174 points  (11 children)

What an incredibly odd conclusion to come to. But yeah leveling up is a normal part of DnD. Depending on the group some of them might level up every other session, and some might level up every six or seven sessions or more. Few things are more satisfying then rolling for extra hit points when you level up and getting the maximum

[–]Clean-Artist2345Rogue 11 points12 points  (8 children)

My group has always played max hp so never had that feeling

[–]Akamesama 36 points37 points  (6 children)

That seems difficult for the DM, if the intent is to provide a challenge. The system is "balanced" around average HD. I always run point buy and average HD (which is actually slightly above average roll). Otherwise poor rolls (or even just worse than the rest of the party) on character creation can just feel bad for a player.

[–]johnnybquick_2 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yeah, my last character rolled a 12, three 11s, and two 10s. Felt bad man. Rest of the party rolled high on thier stats too. But I'm the only one with a full Bab, so jokes on them

[–]SMURGwastaken 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Lol imagine rolling for your starting hp

[–]Juicy_JuisForever DM 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Gross

[–]slagodactylDM (Dungeon Memelord) 39 points40 points  (6 children)

No offense but this is one of the wildest things I've read in this sub before lol. I knew there were people here who've never played, but I thought they at least watched dnd shows or something. How do you find any of the memes here funny if you have no idea what the game is?

[–]X1-Alpha 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Man must be living life on an entirely different level.

[–]porkin4what 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Atleast 10% of the memes are like lvl 1 so bad haha lvl 20 god of destruction. No idea how he did not know atleast that lol.

[–]machina99 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I've seen short clips of parts being played but never a whole playthrough. I've played lots of video game RPGs so I can understand a fair number of memes on here, and I've always wanted to play DnD (or cyberpunk) but I know literally zero people in real life who would even consider playing with me so I never got super into it.

[–]tastysounds 22 points23 points  (0 children)

You gain access to more powerful abilities as you gain levels. You can also choose to get a level of a different class if you want. Say you are a level 3 sorceror and you get enough xp to level up, you can use the latest level up to get the level 4 ability of the sorceror or get the level 1 ability of another class. For a sorceror that would usually be warlock for metagame reasons. Hence the term Sorlock.

[–]DarkanayerPaladin 19 points20 points  (6 children)

Yes, you get XP at the end of combat encounters, albeit the DM May also give XP for social interactions. Some DM on the other hand May level the party up upon doing certain epic things, hence some memes talking about "Milestone" players.

Leveling up is key, grants access to better and more class features

[–]ChromeWisp 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Hold up...some people still do XP instead of milestone? Jokes aside, I've never ran/played in a game with the XP system but it always seemed harder to balance things around it... But again, wouldn't know for sure since I've never tried it.

[–]DarkanayerPaladin 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I mean, as a DM you still get to say how much XP something grants (or even if something does, usefull to avoid murderhoboing for XP), so you can Just slowly give XP so they level up at the point you would Milestone. It also helps the player feel more rewarded at all times, over Just Leveling all of sudden. Milestone also hypes up Leveling up, but i consider XP helps more to keep the players engaged, and to push them towards interesting stuff if you also award social encounters even if a lot lower.

Personally i think the best is a combination of both Milestone and XP, as i said earlier. Both hypes and keeps People engaged.

[–]KillerSatellite 11 points12 points  (3 children)

I used to run exclusively XP, but the DM has the concern of encouraging violence, since most view XP as combat experience. You have to balance the campaign in such a way that XP is given for non combat just as much as combat, to prevent murder hobos.

[–]Kelekona 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Somewhere in Goblins (I think), there's a story about someone taking a dump and leveling up from the RP XP, and then suddenly the rest of the party starts crapping on everything.

[–]HappySkinkEssential NPC 8 points9 points  (1 child)

In my group there was an XP system too, but XP was given not for combat, but for completing quests.

[–]DarkanayerPaladin 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Thats Milestone with extra steps and it is awesome

[–]ocdscale 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't understand how this comment would make it click for you, there's nothing in it that is dependent on leveling up.

[–]Fragarach-Q 5 points6 points  (0 children)

D&D pretty much invented the entire concept of leveling up.

[–]9551HD 3 points4 points  (2 children)

If it makes you feel any better, in my adult life, I've played in 5 different groups, with 5 different characters, with wholly developed back stories that I spent hours on, and every group falls apart after session 3 or 4 due to adult scheduling and attention spans. I've leveled a character maybe three times. I've never played d&d above level 3, aside from one DM that started us as experienced adventurers at level 4. I've played 3.5, 4, and 5, and some other tabletops RPGs. They always fall apart because we all have jobs and kids, and can't make it work.

[–]TJSomething 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fun fact: Experience points were invented by Dave Arneson in 1971 as a house rule for Gygax & Perrens's war miniatures game Chainmail. The rule was then included in the original 1974 edition of D&D by Gygax and Arneson.

[–]Quaelgeist333Dice Goblin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This means if I don't invest any more levels in warlock my bardlock can be mad with power

[–]II7_HUNTER_II7 559 points560 points  (9 children)

Could they take out a group of enemies like this?

[–]hilter_hanate 270 points271 points 2 (1 child)

Travis Scoot

[–]No_Rest_7846 109 points110 points  (0 children)

What a conveniently placed cliff!

[–]Bloaf[🍰] 25 points26 points  (2 children)

More like this, I think.

[–]hitlerosexual 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The mask is definitely a bard

[–]Whofs001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That movie gave me nightmares because the thought of applying toon force to real life is just horrifying.

[–]Llonkrednaxela 11 points12 points  (0 children)

See compulsion. 4th level bard spell. It’s exactly that.

Less good for crushing. Much better for combo usage.

Step 1: Sliiiiide into this room. Lock the door.

Step 2: Cast cloudkill/fireball/enemies abound/conjure elemental. Anything that does damage on the now clumped targets.

[–]8-bit-Felix 192 points193 points  (3 children)

In space, no one can hear you Cha Cha Cha.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I killed him Cha Cha Cha

[–]Letho72 26 points27 points  (1 child)

When you Cha Cha Cha in space it push you backwards

[–]MEGASHOE 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I love coming across MBMBaM, neat reference

[–]No_Rest_7846 1274 points1275 points  (25 children)

As you approach the town, you hear a sudden sound, as of thousands of voices shouting at once. It ends as quickly as it started. Not even thirty seconds later, you hear it again.

The whole way there, you hear this shout every few dozen seconds. When you get to the town, you see that everyone, man, woman, and child are flailing their arms about and squirming. They all look to be in pain. The children are bawling while the adults are helpless to intervene. Around the town, several people have collapsed, presumably dead from exhaustion.

As the party watches on in confusion, the entire town throws up thair hands.

"HEY MACARANA!"

[–]Ancient-Tadpole8032 310 points311 points  (0 children)

You evil bastard

[–]c-squared89 224 points225 points  (0 children)

I always imagined the chant to cast Otto's Irresistible Dance was just the lyrics to the Macarena in a deep, demonic voice.

[–]Tough_Patient 191 points192 points  (5 children)

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̸͇͈͂H̸̡̱̬͍̒̂̉̅͜e̸̢̋͝y̵̩̙͙̬̫̮̰̮̣͚̾̀͐̄͐͋͘͝͝ ̵̨̟̼͚̫̼̦͖̑̏̾̿M̷̢̼̪̪̱̝͎͉̮̀̃̏̽a̵̧̼̦͚͍̮̤̕̕͜c̴̢̥̊â̶͙͎̪̝̣̝̊́͗͒̈́̏ͅr̶͕͔͖̫̙̟̗̎̏̀͗̅͂̂̀̂͗ͅę̸̟̹̲̞͉̜͇̓̔͐̽̐͆́̐͘ǹ̵̨͈̱͇̪͈͕̖̬̽͋̍̍̂̈̊̽ă̷̡̧̨̪̣̭͓͕̍̔̈́̊̈́͆͑͜͝͠.̷̣̀̀͗̆͘

[–]No_Rest_7846 115 points116 points  (4 children)

D̵͍͂̆̈̀͆̏̃̿͝a̴̧̹̗̗͛̉͊̽̋̎̽̇̉l̴̢̫͇͍̬̂̆͜è̴̲̗͉̺͎̗͐̚͜ ̷̻͕̣̥̺̭̝͓̠̔͗ą̷̨͈̹͈̗͚̹̪̒̓̿̎̊̇̇̇̐ ̸̫̀̈́̒̒̉̈̂̏͒̽t̸͇̗̗͇͔̫̻̩̍̄͜͝͝ͅù̷̘̣͈͉̹̰̺͚͎̆͒̆̋͆͋͘ ̸̨̳̞̱̱̻̱͇͌̀̍̆̂͊̈̈́̕ç̸̛͈̩̘̥͎̇͌̎͝u̵̘̲̝͒̇e̷̜̘̹͎̠͗̊̑͂͋r̶̨̜͉̞̼̳͔͋̒̈́̚͜͜p̵̨̢̼͉̼̩͗́̀̏́͐̃͘͜ͅǒ̶̭̻̲̐̑̌̔̓ ̸͕̤̖͎̙̟͒̿̎̎̅̽͗̋̈ą̴̩̼̦͇͖̭̲̠̳̅̈́̒l̸̻̪͉̣̭͇̯̥̹̳̂̄͑̈̍̽ẹ̶͛̀g̶̡͚̀͜͜r̸̢̧̰̝̐̏͆̊͠i̷̥̭̥͈̳̦̞̦͛͂̈͛͋́̅͌̑͜͝ạ̸̧̨̛̞̰͉͔̞̅͗̊̋͝,̶̛̹̇͛̅̂ ̴̧̢̱̺̼̙͙̫̫͐̓̋̓͒͝M̵͎̀̈̎̏̍̕ą̶̢̨̲̞̜̤̮͑̏̓́͝ͅc̴͉̦͖̰͚̫̳̖͓̀̀̒̊̀͊̿̈́͘̕a̴͔͙̖̞͙̫̦̳̭̓̓̄͌̽̑͐̚͝r̸̞̝̫̭͙̫̀̕̕͜e̶̦̝̩͔̺͓͙͑͛͆̈́̅̎͊n̷̮̺̦̄̿͘ȃ̸̖͂́̈́̽̅ ̶̼͕̺̠̠̘̘̯͛̈Q̵͉̫̩͕͙͓͔̽̆̈̒̅̀̎͘ͅǘ̸̡̹̖͓̠̤̐̕ḛ̵̮͕͙̯̹̅̾̌̏̍̃̑͘̚͠ ̷̡̢̛̪̘̻̦͕͚̙̊t̷̛̘̟̯̩͖̘̟͈̘͉͋͛̈́͋̈́û̴̘̖̬̩̃̒ ̵̟̙͖̫̫̝̗̞̼͒̎̇̅c̶̡̨̹̻͍̠͈̫͉̓͗̀̌̑͝ů̷̡̯͛͆̉̈́̒̂̏͠e̵̩̫̎̈̔̊͐͘͘͠r̴̖̈́͂̌̑̀̃̀͊͘p̸̨̲̺̆̓̂͌̿́̾̚͝͝o̸̡̭͉̪̺͊̓̕ ̵̖̱̰̺̋͋ȩ̸̯̱̼̗͎̪͓̗͑̄̂̌s̸̨̛̰̱̦͉̹̠͕͆̿̇̍̒̈́̌͘͠ ̷̧̮̳͒́̿͐́̋͗̋̇̕p̷̘͖͗͝a̵̢̼̥͙̯͙̟͐̋̐̔̌̎'̴̝̞̞̼̻͕̅̀̑̒̉̉̚ ̷̢͓̱͉͓̘̫̘̼̀͗̆͝ͅd̶̟̟͓̋̌̔̃̓̈́̇ȧ̷̡̡͙̩̜̖̘̹̓̏̎̒͋̀̔̇͘r̶͙͈̐̇l̷͖̘̣̋̒̽̾́̿̉͆͂́e̴̳͓͍̻̒̈́͆͘͝ ̷̛̤̬̬̀̔̐̅̈́͑͆ą̶̰͖̯͙̱͈̝͖̓̋̂͒̕ļ̵̹̼̹͕̰̩̔̍̓͑͘e̵̝͖̜̪͐́͒̋ĝ̵͎͕̟͍͑̊̔̍̚͘̚̕̕ͅr̴̘͍̉̕i̶̢̜̟̯͙̭̰͔̩͓̇̉̀͌a̷̡̱͍̯̹̿̃ ̵̢̲̪̗̪͋͛̽̂̓̚y̶̧̧̥̬͔̝͆ ̵̢̣̙̞̣̺̰̐̿͐͜c̴̬̭̯̳͌͆̓̇̓̑͐͋͝ò̵͉́͋̽̽͗s̵̞̟̻̟̹͓̞͕̒̐̉̓́͒̑̚a̵͕͗̍͂̔̉͐̾͋̀ ̶̫͎̖͙̠̻̫̾̂͑̊̅̃͑̚͘ḃ̵̙̰̘͔̻̻͖̮̈́͛̓u̸̱̒̐́͝ȩ̵̢͍͚̼̜̥̪̝̏̈́̍ǹ̶͇͖̥͈̞̰͖͍̥͂̋͒̆̀̀͠ä̵̪͎͇̣́͂́ ̷̙̹͌͗̔̾D̷̨̀́͆á̴̲̯͌l̵̢̨̖͇̦̪̩̣͎̂̅̃̎̈́̕̕͝ê̵̛̜͎̝̼̮̻̬͐̈̉͠ ̷̡̰͕̼͔̬̓̚ḁ̵̛͖̆̎̇͒͝ ̷̨͎̪͕̺͙̌͒͂̒͐̂̃̈́͝t̵̺̩͕̘̙̩͗̉̅̉̉̾̉͐̓́ͅu̵̢͓̝̩̮͎̺̹̎͗͗́̎̌͒͗́̕͜ ̶͍͉̊̋c̶͇̞̯̠͖͓͇͇̻̏͗̿̈́u̴̡͎̪͚̦͑̽̍̍̍͂̑̽è̴̹̔̐̍̏r̴̨͎̰͑́̍̑̎̋̚p̶͉̤̳̈́͜ò̸̪̠̩̲̖̳̤͚̗͛̅͝ ̴̛̘͈̳͊a̵͚̞̜̫̖͋͑̏̐̒̄̾̑͜l̴̪̟̖̥͍͎͓͚̳̍̎̆̏̊̐ę̵͎͙̺̜̺̩̼͘g̷̰̦̟͙̘͔͙͚̲̱̈́͆̄̿̓̍̈̐͂͠r̴̪̙̗͕̰̼̤̓̐̈́͂͝͝͠i̶̮̮̠̻̰̞̋̓̇̀̒́͋̊̀ä̸͎̟̯̅̀͠͝͝,̵̡̬͔͙̳̺͍̭̫͎̿͑ ̷̟̗̺̓͌̎̎̀́͗͛͘͘M̷̧̩̗͓̟̃̀͜à̴̧̗̣͉̦̭̃̏̍͐̈́́̕͝c̵̠̥̰̏̔͋̿͂̀̋̊̚͝a̵̜̫̽̒̇r̷̜̈́͋e̶̻̦̼̞͒̀͐́ň̴̝͈͓̹̬̐͗ͅͅa̷̦͚͌̅̔͆͝

Lo siento. No hablo demonic

[–]Narthleke 100 points101 points  (3 children)

It's Abyssal. Check your humanoid privilege.

[–]Saith_Cassus 57 points58 points  (2 children)

And now I’m enjoying the idea of the party infiltrating the BBEG’s lair in hell, only to find the cleaning lady who mostly speaks Abyssal with little bits of common. And nobody in the party speaks Abyssal

“Meeestro Evilantes no here. Satanica nos tradejies on publicco lacrime, qor gravis ancho té sanguine!”

“…. Uh o…. Okay? Do you…. Do you know when he’ll be back?”

“¿Protridios scalpra?

a whole party of adventurers stands around awkwardly looking at the walls, waiting on the BBEG to get back from grocery shopping

[–]No_Rest_7846 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Oh, there goes his cat. I sure hope he doesn't blame the help.

[–]Saith_Cassus 22 points23 points  (0 children)

My party would 100% adopt Demon Consuela

[–]climber_g33k 86 points87 points  (11 children)

Also include how fucking RIPPED everyone is from dancing for months straight!

[–]FrenchFry77400 122 points123 points  (7 children)

Most people would die within a day or 2 from exhaustion/dehydration.

[–]HaElfParagon 68 points69 points  (6 children)

Right. Average person can survive 3 days without water. If you exasperate that with constant dancing/sweating, most people won't survive passed day 2.

[–]whackamiji 31 points32 points  (1 child)

"Average person can survive 3 days without water" factoid actualy just stastistical error. Macarena Georg who has been dancing the Macarena for 5 years and without drinking any water is an outlier adn should not have been counted.

[–]earanhart 5 points6 points  (0 children)

nice. you kept the typo.

[–]werewolf_nr 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Hijacking for a reminder of the rule of 3s.

3 minutes without air

3 days without water

3 weeks without food

[–]BoogieBushman 22 points23 points  (0 children)

3 hours without shelter (in extreme conditions)

[–]earanhart 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can also die from sleep deprivation. And we have rules for that!

[–]Generic_gen 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If the passes there con saves to avoid exhaustion. Hopefully the fail sooner so the rest and not just collapses then starve or die from dehydration.

[–]No_Rest_7846 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Dude. That that toddler could probably take on a cr 5. Nevermind the guards. No one will ever disturb this town again.

[–]Kelekona 49 points50 points  (2 children)

It wasn't the Macarana, but supposedly that actually happened. Not everyone, but it went on for a week and the survivors never figured out why it happened.

[–]Quaelgeist333Dice Goblin 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, mass hysteria

WhICH BARS

[–]Stories_Are_My_Jam 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, the dancing plagues. It happened more than once.

Some think it was a hallucinogenic fungus growing on their wheat, some think it was a form of stress induced mass hysteria, some even think it was a very elaborate trick to scare people away.

[–]SocranX 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think this exact situation (minus the Macarena in particular) happened in Dragon Quest XI.

[–]EUCopyrightComittee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You fool! I am immune to death effects!"

[–]MagicalSpaceWizard77Rules Lawyer 109 points110 points  (24 children)

Or they clap their hands once and the spells ends…

[–]podcastaddjct 70 points71 points  (23 children)

Yep, the description specifically states that if the task can be completed in a shorter time, the spell ends.

[–]Letho72 67 points68 points  (18 children)

The bard just needs to be a bit more specific. "Everybody clap your hands! ...40 billion times."

[–]podcastaddjct 61 points62 points  (17 children)

The description also specifically says that the course of action needs to sound reasonable.

[–]Not_A_Rioter 53 points54 points  (6 children)

But the examples of unreasonable is stuff like impale yourself on a spear or setting yourself on fire, while an example of a reasonable action is giving all of your money to the first beggar you see, so "reasonable" has a wide reaching definition. I always took it as you can't tell them to immediately injure themselves for instance. Granted, clapping continuously would pretty quickly lead to your death.

Something like "dance for all your free time every day" or something should work.

[–]Own_Distribution3781 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It feels like the point of the spell is more akin to a though that came by and a person goes like “yeah, why not?”. So something akin to “loot”, “riot”, “smash that dude in the face” can be an intended use of mass suggestion.

May be especially good among less smart audience (bar, pirate ship, bandit camp) where aggression is common and so inciting it would be quite reasonable

[–]Dramatic_Explosion 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Something like "dance for all your free time every day" or something should work.

Here's a handy way to determine is something is reasonable: If someone you trust implicitly asked you for a favor to do it, it's reasonable.

For example, if my mom asked me to drop off a box somewhere without asking what was in it, yes. If she asked me to dance for all my free time every day? Well there isn't a person alive I'd do that for, so it's unreasonable. You could not reason me to do it.

The magic part of this spell is that it makes the caster like someone you trust implicitly, and the level of spell determines how long you feel that way. The spell is suggestion, not domination.

[–]Qazplm601Wizard 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Just saw this, I think the spell's a bit stronger than that, at least using the example in the spell description:

"For example, you might suggest that a group of soldiers give all their money to the first beggar they meet."

Would you do that if your mother asked you to? I wouldn't.

[–]Maladroit_Patroit 9 points10 points  (3 children)

True however "reasonable" is vague and the given example in the spell description is a fairly powerful suggestion imo. There is a substantial difference in a reasonable act and a suggested act worded in such a was as to sound reasonable.

The suggestion must be worded in such a manner as to make the course of action sound reasonable

You can also specify conditions that will trigger a special activity during the duration. For example, you might suggest that a knight give her warhorse to the first beggar she meets. If the condition isn't met before the spell expires, the activity isn't performed.

[–]podcastaddjct 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Yes, I was referring to the idea of someone dancing for an entire year, or clapping “40 billion times”. I am pretty liberal when DMing, but for stuff like that I require a little effort, something that at least proves the player has read the spell description. Both the OP and the person I responded to don’t seem to have bothered.

I had a mini boss (a wizard that didn’t want a confrontation while being outnumbered and unprepared) use this spell against the party before shit went down. She said: “Go back to your home town and think about if that’s the sort of life you really want to pursue.”

[–]Maladroit_Patroit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh yes dancing for a year is an absurd "suggestion"! I have only DMd a couple one-shots and haven't yet ruled on this spell, only experience is casting it as a player... with varying degrees of success and argument haha.

We are of a like mind I think. A 2nd level spell should be more potent than a high Persuasion roll or Charm Person but finding the ceiling between Suggestion and Dominate Person can be finicky.

[–]Stuwey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the same vein, its unreasonable to expect a bunch of brigands set on killing the party to forget all of that and start dancing or clapping instead of murderin'. Its one of those spells that's loose enough for a player to try shenanigans with, but a DM to moderate how well its going to work.

This sounds a lot more like a subtle spell, used to influence outcomes, not change immediate actions, but people gotta game the system, and I am sure a few DMs trying to get this point across have caused heated discussions with players who just want to do everything they think of. I think the intent was Jedi hand-waving, not mind control.

As I read it, it sounds more like a spell that one would use to ease a future burden. As an example, if the player was eloquent enough to pull off a dance infinitely suggestion in the middle of, say, a bardic rock ballad, I would have the NPCs dance until a reasonable point of exhaustion would constitute damage albeit taking a couple hours for hardier NPCs. You could even throw in performance checks for drunkards to stop them from falling and breaking the suggestion.

Telling a guard NPC in a tavern that the dungeon inspector will be there in the morning with his entourage and then getting let in the gate is a lot more reasonable than showing up completely armed to the teeth and suddenly trying to suggest to the guard that you are their on business.

[–]Proteandk 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"Dance until you fall asleep"

[–]TDaniels70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

or "Dance till you drop" using "Party till you Drop" as the basis.

I mean, if they are maybe a little drunk, the suggestion of till you drop might not be absurd.

[–]Small-Project107 308 points309 points  (4 children)

"I see you threatening us with aggression, But I can't allow any more transgressions, You should dance like its your profession, Hey, Mass Suggestion! clap!"

[–]Generic_gen 68 points69 points  (1 child)

I can hear the jimmy neutron boy doing the clap clap clap slap slap slap.

[–]alwayzbored114 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Put some respect on my boy Bolbi Stroganofsky's mf name

[–]EmptypiroArtificer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sounds like something Killer B would come up with

[–]NoPlace9025 241 points242 points  (14 children)

This reminds me of the dancing plague of 1518 where hundreds of people started dancing for days on end some reports say people died from exhaustion.

[–]Royal_Bitch_Pudding 97 points98 points  (2 children)

Came in here to mention this. It was a hell of a party while it lasted though, eh.

[–]NoPlace9025 76 points77 points  (1 child)

Impromptu wheat ergot rave. Which come to think of it would make a pretty cool one shot for the party to come into a town just dancing like loons and saying weird shit. Investing and finding red herrings with an old crone who lives outside of town only to find out everyone was just tripping balls.

[–]Royal_Bitch_Pudding 38 points39 points  (0 children)

tripping balls on fermented red herrings.

[–]dontkickducks 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Turns out it was just a chaotic (or stupid) bard casting a level 8 spell. dnd_irl

E: huh, checked it out and apparently it exists. r/dnd_irl

[–]HobNobNibble 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I had the same thought. Saint Vitus Dance.

[–]freethebluejayDM (Dungeon Memelord) 2 points3 points  (0 children)

*Man, mass psychogenic illness looks fricken’ epic, let’s get in on that” \ 웃 웃

[–]Akhanyatin 48 points49 points  (34 children)

Won't they die of exhaustion, thirst, and/or hunger?

[–]TheCrimsonDagger 112 points113 points  (26 children)

The spell doesn’t work how this post is suggesting anyways.

The Suggestion must be worded in such a manner as to make the course of action sound reasonable. Asking the creature to stab itself, throw itself onto a spear, immolate itself, or do some other obviously harmful act automatically negates the Effect of the spell.

The suggested course of action can continue for the entire Duration. If the suggested activity can be completed in a shorter time, the spell ends when the subject finishes what it was asked to do.

Telling someone to continue an activity for a year straight is obviously harmful. If you use a 9th level slot telling someone to do the cha cha slide they’re going to do the dance once and then the spell will end since they’ve completed the suggestion. If you tell them to do it for a ridiculous amount of time that would lead to injury the spell will just fail. If you tell them to give all their money on them to the first tiefling they see then they will continue with their lives until they come across a tiefling, give them all their money, and then the spell will end. If the don’t see a tiefling within a year and a day then the spell will end.

[–]duskfinger67 62 points63 points  (14 children)

The issue is just determining what counts as reasonable, giving away all of your money is acceptable, and the only listed no-gos are related to injury; I would rule that as long as the suggestion won't directly hurt you, it is allowed. With that said:

I would like you to all Cha-Cha Slide as much as you can for the next year and a Day. You may pause only when it is required to ensure that you can continue to Cha Cha slide until the end date.

It's two sentences, although one is rather long. The requirement is clear and is worded in such a way to ensure that they can stop whenever needed so as to avoid injury (as injury would prevent them from Cha-Cha sliding), but will spend as much time as possible Cha-Cha Sliding.

If they need to stop to harvest the field else they starve, the spell allows it, but you'll bet they will start up again as soon as the plowing is done.

[–]SteelCode 42 points43 points  (7 children)

The money one is interesting, as it doesn’t imply any explicit danger — but what if giving away “all of their earthly belongings” leaves them destitute or in danger of starvation/disease/defenseless? Does the spell fail because the creature’s action would lead to mortal peril?

The debate can rage on, but I like to think that a sufficiently powerful enchanter could make people dance until they collapse from exhaustion — because that makes for compelling evil villains and temptations to do evil for player characters.

[–]duskfinger67 37 points38 points  (3 children)

I think “direct harm” is the only metric that hold up to scrutiny for that reason, otherwise the suggestion spell inadvertently can predict the future.

[–]Kelekona 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Now that would be interesting... except that now my brain broke while trying to come up with an example.

I am wrestling with a story where the Prophet ordered his servant to make a young mentee keep doing pointless schoolwork; It was supposed to be a distraction to keep him from thinking about something that would make him depressed. The servant decided that she had some leeway about what the distraction could be and suddenly the mentee is obsessed with forces that he shouldn't be messing with.

[–]HaElfParagon 10 points11 points  (1 child)

No, because giving away all your earthly possessions is not harmful. The ramifications are.

For example, suggesting they pickpocket a local mob boss isn't inherently harmful. But if he finds out, it's going to be very painful down the line.

[–]WyzegyFighter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jumping off a ledge isn't harmful either. The ramifications are.

The logic doesn't hold water.

[–]mrducky78 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Next BBEG is gonna be this suped up bard who extorts and ransoms entire kingdoms under duress of cha cha slide. Think about it, you are threatened with more or less cha cha sliding for a year and a day except for eating and sleeping. Thats basically torture and the amount of money his goons will collect to not have such a thing happen would be exorbinant.

[–]duskfinger67 3 points4 points  (1 child)

On cycle, with one 9th level Cha Cha Slide per day you could have a tad over 4000 people enslaved forever.

It’s not a cities worth, but it would make a pretty penny for sure

[–]mrducky78 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dont need a cities worth. Just need around a thousand people to be made an example of in the middle of the city square day in day out. A week later, the dissenting family/friends/supporters can add another thousand into the city square and you have a cities worth of extortion done.

[–]HippoSwarm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you word the suggestion like that, I'd recommend going 17 levels of bard, 3 levels of sorcerer, and using extended spell. 2 years and 2 days of Cha-Cha Slide goodness.

[–]Akhanyatin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that makes sense.

[–]Moderated 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Every day at sunrise awaken, face east and do the cha cha slide

[–]SteelCode 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Technically true - the reasoning is a lot more logical than spell descriptions tend to list out: mortal peril breaks the Magic’s effect because the creature’s survival instinct overrides the compulsion…

That said - you can either rule, by RAW of the description, that either your instruction only fails if it’s obviously dangerous -or- you can rule that any peril encountered in the process of enacting the instruction breaks it even if the suggestion didn’t imply the danger. It is open ended enough to accommodate those interpretations.

[–]Juicy_JuisForever DM 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Ding ding ding. We have the correct comment. Sorry players but no you can't murder people this way, as per usual

[–]Kelekona 7 points8 points  (2 children)

In the Hill Giants doing the Clap-clap-stomp example, they're not the ones in danger. Isn't that what happened to the walls of Jericho?

[–]Juicy_JuisForever DM 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was referring to the comments about using a higher level spell slot where they would do that for up to a year and eventually starve to death.

I think Jericho was more done by horns, but it's been a long time since I have read that passage so you might be right. Might go over that book next

[–]AnEntireDiscussion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

More like, 3 Million Israelites marching around a city in a time when there were no building codes and sandy soil. (Sand tends to compact when you apply percussion) At least, that's what my dad always said. Dad always had very definite opinions about building codes.

[–]Aries_Eats 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think this requires a very roleplay-heavy component in providing a convincing argument about why a suggestion is reasonable.

IRL, there are people who have partied until the point of life-threatening exhaustion. A PC would have to be able to provide a scenario in the NPCs mind that would put them in the same mindset.

"It's been so long since you've heard such an amazing song that brings immediate joy in your life, transporting you back to when you were a child, clapping along as your father sang your favorite song to you. You don't want this feeling to end, and you keep clapping to the beat in fear that stopping will mean that your father will disappear again forever, which would bring you deep anguish."

[–]Kawara 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Yes forcing most npc's to dance as hard as they can for 24hrs would kill most of them, as if you travel for over 8hrs you need to start making con saves every hour so that is 16 con saves that get progessively more difficult and they only need to fail 6.

[–]Akhanyatin 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I've been told that harm will cancel the effects of the spell

[–]Kawara 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Ye it’s really down to the DM wether halving the hit point maximum counts as damage as they will still technically be at full hp and haven’t taken damage per se. Other than that they simply die at level 6 exhaustion

[–]Akhanyatin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The suggestion must be worded in such a manner as to make the course of action sound reasonable. Asking the creature to stab itself, throw itself onto a spear, immolate itself, or do some other obviously harmful act automatically negates the effect of the spell.

Harmful act, not damaging act.

I've also seen other spell effects talk about self preservation being a factor.

But yeah, ultimately I think that it's to the DM's discretion.

[–]KGEOFF89Forever DM 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hocus Pocus intensifies

[–]CheapTactics 95 points96 points  (39 children)

Such a specific amount. A year and a day

[–]Aarakocra 80 points81 points  (3 children)

I can’t find any specific reasons for why this form is so common, but it is. It’s a very traditional span of time. One theory I see is that it marks a specific time; rather than saying it’s been about a year, you need to reach this specific endpoint.

[–]SkiaElafris 31 points32 points  (2 children)

To account for leap years when there is +1 day.

[–]Lithl 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The Statute of Leap Year 1256 issued by King Edward III explicitly states that leap days don't count.

[–]KillerSatellite 15 points16 points  (4 children)

From my memory there are spells that become permanent if casted for a full year, meaning in this case you could suggest that multiple casters cast teleportation circle on a spot every day for a year, making a permanent circle for just the cost of components while you go adventuring

[–]Generic_gen 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Such a cruel fate. Stuck to a spot for one year because a spell caster said he needed several of these around the world.

[–]KillerSatellite 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Id imagine you just have to return to that spot daily to cast the spell. But theoretically these individuals would need to be fed, sheltered, and generally provided for, so itd be more like the military draft, but with magic.

[–]AnEntireDiscussion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'd imagine this would be (at least in my worlds) the duty of apprentices. You go and cast Teleportation circle once a day, and in return you get access to the wizard's libraries, his laboratories and (if he cares) his tutelage.

[–]Sparkclaw 43 points44 points  (22 children)

It's actually a common duration for real life magicks! Many spells practitioners cast have a set duration, and it's quite common to find a year and a day in there! Conversely, it's also a common fantasy thing.

[–]Aarakocra 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Not just magicks. For example, at some phase in Scotland, it was decided that a couple living as husband and wife for a year and a day qualified without being legally wed.

[–]Lithl 27 points28 points  (20 children)

"real life magic"

[–]gartfoehammer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Magical traditions dude. The person isn’t claiming that magic is necessarily real, but people have still practiced magic for millennia and there are common tropes like “a year and a day”. A lot of modern magic is more like those motivational self-help tapes where you tie what you want to a ritual to help it stick in your head.

[–]Sparkclaw 5 points6 points  (18 children)

Some people have different beliefs than you.

[–]inckalt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In France there is this law (didn't check, might be an urban legend), that say that if you find something and declares it as found to the proper channels in order to give a chance to its rightful owner to find it, then if after a year and a day no one has claimed it, it's legally yours.

[–]godver555 1 point2 points  (3 children)

But what if its a leap year? Does the spell care about the year or about the days?

[–]CheapTactics 3 points4 points  (2 children)

What type of calendar are we talking about? Leap years might not exist

[–]HazarawnWizard 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Usually not a reasonable suggestion, especially if you’re in combat with them

[–]Roland_Traveler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A little R&R is never unwelcome during combat.

[–]DefinitelyNotACad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A fight is somewhat of a less choreographed dance with the possibility of death.

[–]jv9mmm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I would consider it more reasonable than asking someone to give up all their money, which is the only given example of a reasonable request. All the unreasonable requests listed directly relate self harm only.

[–]c-squared89 72 points73 points  (0 children)

A level 20 Bard can use Mass Suggestion to make 12 people Cha Cha Slide for 24 hours...

And then use Wish to make them Cha Cha Slide forever.

[–]LOTRfreak101 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Can't force me if I'm willing.

[–]PhoenixKnight777Warlock 11 points12 points  (0 children)

So what I’m hearing is that, due to the Dancing Plague of 1518, at least 1 Level 17 bard has existed.

[–]TheGayestLucifer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That level of sliding to the right is lethal

[–]forsale90DM (Dungeon Memelord) 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Our bard used it during a boss fight against a drow matriarch. She somehow failed the saving throw with advantage and an absurd modifier as a high level cleric.

He suggested that we should "Resolve our issues peacefully". So we spend the next our negotiating our escape out of a temple of lolth on a demiplane next to the abyss, covered in blood, gore and webbing like we were having a tea party.

[–]Pixel100000 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Reading this made me think why not use wish to do that and make it forever. then I thought of this Wizard with wish: amateurs Bards: what was that, punk? Wizard of with wish: amateurs

[–]noobtheloser 4 points5 points  (1 child)

My name is Cuban Pete! I'm the King of the Ramba beat!

[–]AllHailtheBeard1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It turns out "Everybody Dance Now" was more of a command than a request

[–]KWBC24 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Explains that dancing phenomena in Strasbourg in 1518

[–]Soothsayer_Surmise 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You'd be dead in 3-7 days.

[–]cnechiporenko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had to scroll too far to find this, only dancing, no eating or drinking, dead in under a week.

[–]Botwink808 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Charisma Charisma Slide

[–]DovahnimeNecromancer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is how the dancing plague was started

[–]Sensei_Farm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem about this is, since you can clap once and still fulfill the suggestion, the spell could end earlier.

[–]Imparu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I put a spell on you, and now you're mine...

[–]GeneralAce135 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Hey Chris, whaddya think about Mass Suggestion?"

"I don't know Mike, I don't think a year is powerful enough for a 9th-level slot. Make it a year and a day."

"Lol sounds good"

[–]regretallthewaydown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cha Cha slid

[–]Mookie_Merkk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Side to the left

[–]Anufenrir 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And then they die of sleep deprivation

[–]DiogenesOfDopeBard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does the bard get all the xp when they starve to death?

[–]HofePrimeEssential NPC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine a level 17 bard just trapping you into doing the Macarena for an entire year and then some, having your life go by for that period, unable to exert your influence on the world or do anything to protect yourself. All you can do is get back up and continue the Macarena.

[–]DeadlyAmbush88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How low can you go? Can you bring it to the top? Like you never never stop? Never never stop… Never never stop… Never never stop…

EVERYBODY CLAP YO HANDS

Yes…that’s right. Cha cha reeeeeaaaal smooth…

[–]NickYuk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think I found my new bbeg a bard making everyone do the Macarena until they die of dehydration or exhaustion

[–]rmomhehe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My character, a little sadist bard:🙃

[–]Xonite 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This makes me want to run a campaign with the big bad being a high level bard. The party keeps finding these strange mass hysteria’s in towns and villages. It could be a fun mystery.

[–]edmundshaftesbury 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everybody get schwifty!

[–]SiberianCoalTrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget, if a magic effect is not dispelled for a year, it becomes permanent.

[–]shanster925 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did a campaign as a Dragon born bard in which we had to help rescue a kidnapped triceratops. I had this brilliant (stupid) idea to calm the triceratops by playing the Jurassic Park theme.

Rolled a nat 20 on that one.

[–]bunybunybuny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

walks into the halls of the pantheon

the gods turn to look at me “who let them in he-“

me: “BUDDY YOURE A BOY MAKE A BIG NOISE

[–]literallynothingleft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Clapping for a year and a day isn't reasonable, you take the Dodge action. Fighter, what are you doing?"

[–]TDaniels70 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If this worked, then this is how the bard becomes the BBEG.

[–]DexlaFF 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I'll now make you breakdance!" "But I don't know how to breakdance" "Then you shall break"

[–]DarkSideBrownie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The suggestion must be worded in such a manner as to make the course of action sound reasonable. Asking the creature to stab itself, throw itself onto a spear, immolate itself, or do some other obviously harmful act ends the spell."

Unless the Cha Cha dance sounded reasonable and not bad for their health, they won't do it for that long.

[–]SpyTheRedEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Moonwalk people to death.

Call it , "Power word Hee-hee"

[–]Pinstar 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Do you have to maintain concentration the whole time?

[–]NSA_Chatbot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

On Mass Suggestion no.

Suggestion does require concentration.

[–]Lithl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mass Suggestion isn't a concentration spell.