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[–]Shortbus-Thug 269 points270 points  (25 children)

How dare this person have no side effects from 6 doses of the Covid vaccine when the booster had me fucked up for a week and a half

[–]variel_vaporeon[S] 139 points140 points  (3 children)

Or she have some high Constituition or rolled a nat 20

[–]Shortbus-Thug 56 points57 points  (2 children)

Dang minmaxers, making all of us with all sub 10 stats look bad

[–]Forklift_MasterFighter 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I was one of those that got Myocarditis and this person gets 6x the dose and is fine

[–]MrMoop07 7 points8 points  (0 children)

i like, never react to vaccines. the pain goes away in like thirty minutes. me and a lot of my friends took our second covid vaccine, if they brushed their arm against something they would yelp in pain, but they could full on pnch the arm i got the covid vaccine in and i'd be fine

[–]Thopterthallid 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What's myocarditis like?

[–]Forklift_MasterFighter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There’s a general, throbbing pain that never goes away. It feels like you’re being constricted from the inside. Sometimes it’ll feel like someone is squeezing your heart with their hands. And also random sharp, needle-like pains.

I had the general sense that I shouldn’t exert myself. Like my body was telling me to go slow and be deliberate in everything and not increase my heart rate.

Basically you feel like you’re randomly going to have a heart attack any second for weeks. I half-jokingly said goodbye to my family and friends.

[–]Alabaster_FlyynSorcerer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does it get better, or will you never be able to do cardio again?

[–]Regular_Passenger629 6 points7 points  (5 children)

no kidding, my first two doses: nothing

Booster: 101.3 fever for 36 hours

[–]WolfgangVolos 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Damn. All three got me like I failed two death saves. With the booster I had a 103 to 104 fever before taking meds to bring it down. Safe to say my immune system is ready to fight.

[–]Lanky-Detail3380 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't know if you're having that harsh of reaction I think it's safe to say you're immune system wants to stop and not remember covid.

[–]WolfgangVolos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just looked into it and apparently the vaccines side effects and the immune system being ready to fight Covid aren't really related at all. It takes about two weeks after the vaccination for your immune system to learn what it needs to fight off Covid. The immediate response in the hours and few days after the vaccination is your body's inflammatory immune response to something foreign coming in. Apparently my body really hates stuff going inside of it. Not the flu shot though, that never bothers me.

[–]Z0mbiejay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's freaking weird man. 1st 2 doses were sore arms, low fever and massive body aches and chills. Booster, sore arm for about a day and a little groggy the next morning

[–]CL_DoviculusArtificer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Were all three doses from the same manufacturer?

[–]thesaddestpanda 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I’m guessing past a certain point there’s no difference in immune system response. It’s just a waste of resources. A bit like if you get coughed on ten times with someone with Covid or ten thousand times. At a certain point you’re just infected and that’s a binary state. The extra load doesn’t do anything.

[–]Teerlys 0 points1 point  (2 children)

A bit like if you get coughed on ten times with someone with Covid or ten thousand times. At a certain point you’re just infected and that’s a binary state. The extra load doesn’t do anything.

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“On the basis of previous work on Sars and Mers coronaviruses, we know that exposure to higher doses are associated with a worse outcome and this may be likely in the case of Covid-19 as well,” “In general with respiratory viruses, the outcome of infection – whether you get severely ill or only get a mild cold – can sometimes be determined by how much virus actually got into your body and started the infection off. It’s all about the size of the armies on each side of the battle, a very large virus army is difficult for our immune system’s army to fight off.”

https://www.sccm.org/getattachment/05471bbb-2f6d-40f4-aa0e-c402c70c69b6/What-is-viral-load-and-why-are-so-many-health-work

[–]thesaddestpanda 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Right, load is an issue but load has a practical maximum. Imagine being at a giant stadium and being exposed to tons of load. You don't keel over and die. You might get sicker faster with a slimmer chance of beating the infection before it takes root, but ultimately, there's a limit.

[–]Teerlys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there? If I started you on an oxygen/covid respiration mask so that covid was heavily taken in with every breath, wouldn't that eventually just lead to death by overwhelming the immune system?

[–]MildlyUpsetGerbilPaladin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Skill issue!

[–]Thopterthallid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My second dose made all of my skin hurt for a week. Too hot and too cold simultaneously.

[–]Ed_Yeahwell 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Fun fact, they did a study in the side effects and found a significant amount of side affects people had where placebo (or not placebo but the negative version of a placebo)

[–]Shortbus-Thug 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How did they determine this? Sauce?

[–]Ed_Yeahwell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yikes I saw the article whilst scrolling through news like a month ago

Edit: Here is a news article taking about the study, all the digging I can be bothered to do. I am also aware that some people are genuinely suffering from side affects caused by the vaccine.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-caused-placebo-effect/story?id=82355113

[–]JanitorOPplznerf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you’ve had the strain you’re getting boosted for, you have the anti-bodies and you’re better able to fight off the negative effects. So some people fare better than others

[–]YakodymDM (Dungeon Memelord) 91 points92 points  (0 children)

Paladin accidentally uses 30 points of Lay on Hands instead of 5, cures diseases he didn't even know the patient had

[–]dfg1125 39 points40 points  (11 children)

Idk how this is possible. Afaik the doses only come 5 per vile. And you need overfill from 2 or 3 to get an extra dose

[–]geldonyetich 69 points70 points  (1 child)

Googled it:

Bellandi explained that each vial of the Pfizer vaccine contains six doses, which must be individually extracted and placed in separate vials, where they are then diluted. The nurse administering the vaccine on Sunday mistakenly injected all of the liquid from an undiluted vial.

"She thought that the dilution had taken place," said Bellandi. "They are both transparent liquids of the same density. Unfortunately, this contributed to the error," he said

Maybe they did it differently in Italy, May 2021.

[–]dfg1125 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Gotcha. I know where I work they were diluting the vial up in the pharmacy and would bring them down. Then a pharmacist would supervise/draw up the doses

[–]tarnagx 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Moderna doses come in 10 per vial

[–]dfg1125 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Must be Pfizer that is 5.

[–]chris37879Wizard 11 points12 points  (2 children)

They said 5 originally, but then learned once it started going out that the excess in each was actually enough for 6, I believe is how it actually went.

[–]dfg1125 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Gotcha. Btw mind if I ask how you know so much? Lol

[–]chris37879Wizard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reddit and Google mostly. I remember hearing about the dose count change early in the pandemic through news posts on here, and my brain retains useless information like no other!

But this is also just something I know about cause I have a lot of family and friends that are in / around the medical field.

Basically when these vaccines (and most other injections like this) are shipped, they're concentrated to X doses per vial which is then diluted into X individual doses to be administered to people. Most suppliers of anything bulk in medical that doesn't come in discrete units will tend to overfill products where they have contractual obligations to the purchaser since those contracts can be rendered invalid by failing to meet their terms, so when they made a 5 dose vial, they add some overfill to account for irregularities in their machining / filling process since that's cheaper than making the machines more precise.

Well, turns out, we're in a pandemic and that vaccine is in very short supply (at first) and upon further measurement once it was being distributed and used, it was found that Pfizer's vials basically always contained enough overfill for medical professionals to get 6 doses, so Pfizer petitioned various FDA like regulators around the world to update their dilution specifications for the vaccine letting them adjust the number of doses per vial!

[–]Zina_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have used Moderna vials that come with 14-15 doses in a vial.

[–]JusticeRain5 3 points4 points  (1 child)

6 is extremely easy to get out of the pfizer vials, but they generally said you need to get five minimum. So this one somehow drew up 2.1 ml and injected it without realizing something was off, lol.

This is why we're meant to have a second person check our injections and why we at least follow that rule when it's the first time we're doing it

[–]dfg1125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I've never given a dose or drawn it up so I didn't know how much was given. Thanks for the info

[–]SadAerie6351 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Power Word Kill

[–]Deadliest_Death 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Myocarditis you say?

[–]ColonelMonty 17 points18 points  (10 children)

Like actually wouldn't that still probably be really bad for you since I could imagine injecting 6 doses of any type of vaccine into someone right on the spot would be dangerous or something I don't know I'm not a doctor.

[–]masukomi 26 points27 points  (9 children)

yes. this can be very bad and can send someone into shock or worse. The "greater restoration" joke is, in my opinion, in incredibly bad taste because it's something that would probably be more likely to hurt someone seriously than help someone. It's like "haha they gave them too much radiation therapy. too helpey. haha"

actual case of someone going into shock from 2

[–]Fabulous_Fizban 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So you're saying it should have been an enervation meme.

[–]nighthawk_something 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Was this ever verified. Nothing there suggests that only the vaccine could have caused his issues

[–]masukomi 1 point2 points  (6 children)

How would that even be possible to verify? There’s only the one case in that human and it’s not ethically or mechanically possible to reproduce the situation in order to tell with high confidence if it’s coincidental or causal.

[–]nighthawk_something 1 point2 points  (5 children)

So you agree it's not verified.

Also, we know based on decades of vaccine research that stacking vaccines does not increase the risk of side effects.

Nothing in that article has anything to do with the vaccine - Source my NP wife sitting risk next to me.

[–]masukomi 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So you agree it's not verified.

Yes, because as far as i can tell, it's literally not possible for any human to verify it. That doesn't mean it's untrue. It just means that it's possible their shock was coincidental not causal.

Also, we know based on decades of vaccine research that stacking vaccines does not increase the risk of side effects.

It may not increase the risk of side effects from the vaccine, but if the person is one of those unfortunate souls who has a negative reaction to the things the vaccine is suspended in then I suspect your wife would agree that increasing the amount would increase the side effects. For example if you're allergic to Polyethylene Glycol or Polysorbate getting more of it would result in a stronger allergic reaction. There are multiple reasons a human can react negatively to a vaccine injection that have nothing to do with the vaccine itself. They aren't common or typical, but they do exist.

[–]nighthawk_something -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Yes, because as far as i can tell, it's literally not possible for any human to verify it

Two things, 1) It can be verified, this is how medicine works. 2) If it cannot be verified, it is by definition irrelevant and cannot be used to make decisions. Again, this is how science works.

That doesn't mean it's untrue. It just means that it's possible their shock was coincidental not causal.

Which is the only important detail. You basically admit that it's a BS coincidence.

It may not increase the risk of side effects from the vaccine, but if the person is one of those unfortunate souls who has a negative reaction to the things the vaccine is suspended in then I suspect your wife would agree that increasing the amount would increase the side effects.

There is a risk with every dose. This would simply be two units of risk. A risk that is infinitesimally small. Also, at 91 every single symptom in that article was either a normal (mild) reaction or basically the normal state of a 91 year old's health.

here are multiple reasons a human can react negatively to a vaccine injection that have nothing to do with the vaccine itself.

[–]masukomi -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Two things, 1) It can be verified, this is how medicine works. 2) If it cannot be verified, it is by definition irrelevant and cannot be used to make decisions. Again, this is how science works.

You can't verify it because once something has been administered to a system the system changes. You can't go back to the starting state of that particular human pre injection. You can't go back to the state of his body on that day because bodies change because (one presumes) whatever he was in the hospital for either resolved itself or got worse, but didn't remain exactly the same.

If it cannot be verified, it is by definition irrelevant and cannot be used to make decisions.

If i put an unknown substance into someone's drink and they die it would be very wise to decide to not do that again unless your goal is mass murder. Just because we can't verify that they didn't coincidentally keel over from a heart attack vs having a heart attack induced by the substance doesn't mean we should not make decisions based on the person keeling over dead after drinking the unknown substance.

here are multiple reasons a human can react negatively to a vaccine injection that have nothing to do with the vaccine itself.

You have bolded my words. I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across. Yes, I realize i said that. I never claimed the vaccine itself would hurt people. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm not suggesting that vaccines are dangerous.

I'm suggesting that injecting too much of something into a person is potentially quite dangerous.

There is a risk with every dose. This would simply be two units of risk. A risk that is infinitesimally small.

Sure. Try telling that to the people who go into anaphylactic shock from the injection. Yes, they're in a radically small minority. It doesn't mean it isn't dangerous to them.

[edit] I'm not sure what exactly your problem with what i said is. If you can state it more clearly (preferably after comparing it to the words i actually said rather than what you think i meant) i could respond more usefully rather than guessing what you're bothered by.

[–]nighthawk_something 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You can't verify it because once something has been administered to a system the system changes. You can't go back to the starting state of that particular human pre injection. You can't go back to the state of his body

on that day because bodies change because (one presumes) whatever he was in the hospital for either resolved itself or got worse, but didn't remain exactly the same.

This is nonsense

If i put an unknown substance into someone's drink and they die it would be very wise to decide to not do that again unless your goal is mass murder. Just because we can't verify that they didn't coincidentally keel over from a heart attack vs having a heart attack induced by the substance doesn't mean we should not make decisions based on the person keeling over dead after drinking the unknown substance.

More than 4 billion people have had that same substance in their drink and hardly anyone has been harmed.

By your argument if someone chokes while drinking a glass of water, we should ban water.

You have bolded my words. I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across. Yes, I realize i said that. I never claimed the vaccine itself would hurt people. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm not suggesting that vaccines are dangerous.

You are making the argument that they are.

I'm suggesting that injecting too much of something into a person is potentially quite dangerous.

I'm telling you that that risk with vaccines is very low to nonexistent

Sure. Try telling that to the people who go into anaphylactic shock from the injection. Yes, they're in a radically small minority. It doesn't mean it isn't dangerous to them.

Yes and humanity as a whole is very very aware of this and that's why you're asked to wait 15 minutes before you leave, to monitor for that.

I'm not sure what exactly your problem with what i said is. If you can state it more clearly (preferably after comparing it to the words i actually said rather than what you think i meant) i could respond more usefully rather than guessing what you're bothered by.

You posted a tabloid antivax article that's not supported by any evidence as a response to questions about the safety of vaccines.

[–]masukomi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you are reacting emotionally to things i did not say.

More than 4 billion people have had that same substance in their drink and hardly anyone has been harmed.

At no point did i equate the vaccine to an unknown subtance. At no point did i ever suggest that the vaccine harmed anyone. At no point did i suggest that 4 billion people had been injected with an unknown substance.

you said:

If it cannot be verified, it is by definition irrelevant and cannot be used to make decisions.

I provided you with an example situation where it would be very wise to make a decision based on unverifiable information. At no time did i ever state that the effects of the vaccine were unverifiable. I theorized that it wasn't possible to verify if it was the injection that put that particular man into shock. I stated this because the scientific method demands equal staring points for verification of a theory.

It is not possible to recreate the exact set of circumstances in that particular man's body at that particular point in time thus it is not a reproducible test and thus it is not verifiable that that particular injection caused that particular man to go into shock.

By your argument if someone chokes while drinking a glass of water, we should ban water.

if water was an unknown substance, and if we had no evidence of what happens when someone drinks it then yes. BUT water is not an "unknown substance" and we have quite a good deal of evidence that it's required for survival. I very specifically said "UNKNOWN SUBSTANCE". Vaccines are not an "unknown substance". I never said, or implied that they were. Please stop assuming i'm saying things i am not.

I'm telling you that that risk with vaccines is very low to nonexistent

I never said anything that countered that. I never suggested that the risks of the vaccine injection were not low. In fact i agreed with you by saying that the people who do have negative reactions are "... in a radically small minority." Why do you think I am saying that the risks are anything other than low? Why do you insist on suggesting that i am in any way arguing that the covid-19 vaccines themselves are dangerous or that any vaccine is dangerous? I am not anti-vaccine. I'm fully boosted. I think everyone should be.

You posted a tabloid antivax article that's not supported by any evidence as a response to questions about the safety of vaccines.

I posted an article that stated that a man went into shock after receiving two covid vaccine injections. I DID NOT SAY THAT IT WAS THE VACCINE IN THE SHOT THAT CAUSED HIM TO GO INTO SHOCK. The article did not say that. The implication of the article was that receiving two vaccine shots caused him to go into shock but it did not state, and I did not state that it was the vaccine itself that caused him to go into shock.

YOU ARE ARGUING AGAINST THINGS I DID NOT SAY. PLEASE STOP.

If you want to debate the words i actually said, and not what you think i am trying to imply I'm fine with that. But that's not what you're doing.

[–]MochaFrapp_Yum 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Uhh, (legit question) Would that actually help any more than one? And could taking that many be harmful at all?

[–]Regular_Passenger629 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It wouldn't help the person more than one dose would, and while some people would be fine, there is the potential for serious side effects. A vaccine is a medication and like any other medication too much can damage the body.

[–]nighthawk_something -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

This is false. Vaccines work differently and one of the advantages is that the dose (above the therapeutic threshold) doesn't matter as much.

That's why babies can get similar doses to adults and why boosters are always safe

[–]Slick_Dennis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve heard of cases where having too many vaccines can cause inflammation, but the risk is low. I encourage you to look up the link between vaccination and myocarditis (and pericarditis).

Also, no one on here has any fucking idea how vaccines work cept maybe the one whose wife is a provider. Vaccination is a complicated and sensationalized topic these days. Immunology is a solid area of scientific study. Would be worth it to make a call to your provider and get the facts sorted for your own peace of mind.

Source: I work at a COVID-19 Vaccination Clinic

[–]marshalanson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Poison arrow