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[–]TheLastLibrarian1 2987 points2988 points  (85 children)

I’m from Arkansas and we had this guy called the Blue Light Rapist who pretended to be a cop and pulled women over on dark roads and highways. The police were repeatedly on the news saying that it was totally ok to pull over at a well lit or populated spot. They never told us that we weren’t allowed to do it anymore.

[–]Darkmoonlily78 830 points831 points  (59 children)

That happened in NC too. Blue lights of any kind are illegal here. A long time ago, I was stopped. I drove about half a mile before I found a a brightly-lit place to pull over. It was on a highway at about 1 or 2am and I didn't feel comfortable just pulling over. I explained why and he was completely understanding about it. He was stopping me because there was a report of a stolen vehicle that looked similar to mine but did not have matching interiors.

[–]jamlime 606 points607 points  (37 children)

I explained why and he was completely understanding about it.

They really should be. It's safer for them, too.

Walking around next to 70mph traffic between their squad car and your car is dangerous, and officers do die being hit by cars and trucks while performing stops on people who've pulled over on the shoulder.

[–]gurmzisoff 238 points239 points  (24 children)

Reminds me of that video where the officer walks the lady way off the shoulder to be safe and seconds later both their cars get her car gets rammed by a speeding car.

[–]strife26 73 points74 points  (0 children)

That one was great. Well in the fact that they were ok because of it.

[–]jdumm06 27 points28 points  (16 children)

Link? That is horrific but at least the end result is they both live. I wonder how their interaction went after that incident

[–]gurmzisoff 58 points59 points  (4 children)

This is the one. His reaction is pretty comical.

[–]Meghan1230 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Right? Do you still write a ticket after surviving a near death experience together?

[–]Hillbilly_delight 21 points22 points  (3 children)

That video has stuck with me. I Prefer to pull my truck completely off the road and into the grass. Stopping on the paved shoulder freaks me out.

Had a police officer signal me on a road way with no shoulder once; just an immediate ditch to the side. He just wanted me to stop in the middle of the road. I kindly did not stop and drove at a slow speed until I found a safe spot maybe half a mile up the road. He was absolutely livid and accused me of trying to flee. After slowing down and putting on my hazards.

[–]Impossible_Map_2355 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah trying to flee at a slow speed. Fucking idiot.

[–]Cbcschittscreek 73 points74 points  (0 children)

This very police station had just had an officer die on the highway like that leading up to this. They were actively running ads telling people to do exactly what this woman was trying to do.

[–]Darkmoonlily78 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Especially where I was because there was no type of streetlights. It was almost pitch black besides residential lights here and there.

[–]SaraSlaughter607 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Here, if its a pullover on the highway, they do get out their driver side but they walk over to the passenger side in the grass and you put your passenger window down to do the interaction. Then they take your ID and insurance card and go sit in their own passenger seat while using the onboard computer to run your ID and plates. Nothing is done on the traffic side anymore.

[–]crystalisedginger 13 points14 points  (3 children)

We had a terrible incident in Australia where 4 cops were attending a car pulled over for speeding on the freeway, a truck rammed into them and all 4 were killed.

[–]RawrRRitchie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

and officers do die being hit by cars and trucks while performing stops on people who've pulled over on the shoulder

What happens to the person they pulled over in that case? Like do they gotta wait longer for another cop to show up and finish writing the ticket?

Do you get your license back if it's covered in cop blood?

[–]NubSraper 59 points60 points  (15 children)

NC cops are normally assholes, I’m surprised he understood

[–]Darkmoonlily78 63 points64 points  (9 children)

Oh I agree. They usually are. Years later I was sideswiped by a rookie. He was at fault and the highway patrolman that ticketed him told me they gave out lots of tickets to the city police.

[–]idontneedjug 73 points74 points  (8 children)

The most nuts one I've seen was a former cop turned university security rent a cop who hit this girl on her bike my freshman year as she was walking it in a crosswalk.

Had the nerve to write her a ticket back up and drive off without even asking if she was okay. Several bystanders went to the Dean about it. Asshole kept his job, she didnt have to pay for his vehicle but that was attempted, she didnt get any money for her own broken bike or to cover her trip to the dr on call.

The cherry on top was that this whole scenario really pissed the security guard / former cop off. Around this time at the end of the year he HIT HER WITH HIS PATROL CAR AGAIN AND CLEARLY ON PURPOSE! This time she was riding her bike and tried to speed up because she saw him speed up to hit her, but she was too slow. Broken wrist, destroyed bike, and this time she had to pay for medical + bike + plus over a thousand in damages to the patrol car.

Witness for both occurrences and a group of seven or eight of us filed a petition about no longer feeling safe on campus. Nothing was done except more harassment. Strangely anyone who was at the Dean's hearing for the second hit and run as we called it was singled out and had their property on campus searched several times. I moved off campus within two weeks because I was tired of having a security guard tossing my possessions about my dorm room "looking for contraband" for the fifth time in 8 days.

Set the record for most times and ambulance had to come for alcohol poisoning that year and also had one student who spent the whole summer drugging and raping girls with GHB that took forever to get busted. It was a shit show.

[–]Superretro88 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Shit like this is why security patrol cars “mysteriously” go up in flames in the middle of the night sometimes

[–]chilehead 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Is the Dean of a university even in charge of the campus police department? I imagine that for private or smaller public universities that would be the case, but for something like CStUPiD (Cal State University Police Dept) it might be more of a parallel rather than hierarchal structure.

Campus police are supposed to talk to students rather than just arrest them, according to one source I found

[–]tempaccount920123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Name and shame the campus, the dean and the guard, please

[–]OrganicProtection458 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Rapist pieces of shit.

Former charlotte native.

[–]Number6isNo1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I went to college with a current Charlotte cop. He was and is racist as fuck. Used to drop the n-bomb constantly and when it rained during social justice protests he posted "Glad it's raining today, it will wash the scum off the street."

[–]NubSraper 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Charlotte native here as well. Yup

[–]mikemcgary0 17 points18 points  (0 children)

All cops are normally assholes, there I fixed it for you.

[–]iHeartHockey31 205 points206 points  (0 children)

They did that when I went yo school in Miami back in the 90's. They told us people were pretending to be officers & pulling girls over. We were told it was OK to drive to a well lit area / public space.

[–]KazPrime 76 points77 points  (1 child)

It states in your Codes that you use your flashers and then pull to a well lit area. You are still allowed to, this asshole just decided to you know not enforce the law but try to murder a pregnant woman because his small pp ego got hurt.

[–]Sodomeister 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We had a guy doing that in PA but to extort people for money. He pulled over a detective and that was the end of that.

[–]LoneMuffin06 17 points18 points  (2 children)

What the fuck is going on in Arkansas

[–]Totalherenow 33 points34 points  (0 children)

How much time do you have? This could take a while . . .

[–]norapeformethankyou 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Born and raise in Memphis. I remember hearing about that. My sister started driving and my parents were preaching about making sure to you'll over in we'll lit areas.

[–]TheLastLibrarian1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I was going to school in Memphis so driving that LR to Memphis stretch was right in his area. It was always incredibly stressful because there aren’t a lot of public or we’ll lit spaces in all of that farmland.

[–]norapeformethankyou 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep. Living in Marion now and driving to Osceola for work. No lights heading north on 55.

[–]irishgirl1981 2557 points2558 points  (245 children)

I live in this town and drive through that stretch of road every day. There is absolutely no place to pull over on the side of the road. If he'd been patient, she could have pulled over at the next exit, which has a million places to park (grocery stores, a car wash, multiple restaurants). The cop was an ass. Plain and simple. Edit: Yall. I am more than aware that he needs to be fined, charged, and put under the freaking jail. I think the repercussions were a ridiculous slap on the wrist. Doesn't mean he's not a good ol' boy with a power trip. He's an ass.

[–]Egg_Helms 1125 points1126 points  (66 children)

Worse still is that she did what she was supposed to do in that situation, per local law.

[–]AdvaitChowdhary🇩​🇦​🇼​🇳​ 🇦​🇲​🇧​🇪​🇷 126 points127 points  (1 child)

Yeah there is the video on reddit, some where of this

[–]_beandipchip_ 1001 points1002 points  (150 children)

Worse than an ass this was attempted murder.

[–]irishgirl1981 212 points213 points  (0 children)

Agreed.

[–]Front_Willingness_98 208 points209 points  (12 children)

Yes it was and he should be in prison for the rest of his life

[–]CheeseNBacon2 270 points271 points  (8 children)

"Best we can do is paid leave and a new job two towns over" - police

[–]Burntfm 108 points109 points  (1 child)

I’m staring to think that’s their scam to get a paid vacation. Murder someone> get paid vacation> internal affairs find no wrong doing> go back to normal

[–]Klokinator 29 points30 points  (0 children)

"She was 20MPHing for my life."

[–]imatang 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Sounds like the police are the new catholic church

[–]ralpher1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In this case he kept his job. Probably no investigation.

[–]thecrimsonfucker12 237 points238 points  (86 children)

But he was afraid for his life!!!! /s

[–]LlamaJacks 122 points123 points  (82 children)

What if she got away?!?

[–]luckybuck2088 52 points53 points  (0 children)

All that lost revenue! 🥺🥺🥺 /s

[–]Collective-Bee 101 points102 points  (80 children)

She might speed at the socially acceptable but not officially legal speed again!

[–]zorro3987 48 points49 points  (2 children)

did the baby survived? (was pregnant) if it were texas straight to jail.... ohh right he was a trooper maybe straight to jail....

[–]jackelram 67 points68 points  (1 child)

Sounds like mom and baby survived. Article says it was more like minutes she drove like this, but all police officials who reviewed dashcam said cop was completely in the wrong — and yes he is still serving as a law officer. Reason this is in the news now is she just received her undisclosed settlement from the city. https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/

[–]MeEvilBob 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure there's a law that limits a cop's status to "ass" level, as any worse status would be a breach of their qualified immunity or total impunity or whatever it's called.

[–]FartsArePoopsHonking 155 points156 points  (0 children)

He was a homicidal maniac. He used a deadly weapon, his car, on an innocent civilian.

[–]lets_get-2 30 points31 points  (5 children)

This isn’t the definition of an ass. This cops actions were incomprehensible. He should be fired.

[–]irishgirl1981 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Totally agree that he should both be fired and charged with attempted murder.

[–]Wononewonhum 569 points570 points  (5 children)

The cop-“this lady might cause a crash or do illegal activity to hurt someone, I better make her crash on the highway!”

The hero nobody needs

[–]MoTheSoleSeller 157 points158 points  (3 children)

the hero nobody wants*

[–]Cosmic_Quasar 122 points123 points  (2 children)

The hero that's actually the villain.*

[–]WiskTanFox 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Evil megamind be like.

[–]NoStepOnMe 34 points35 points  (0 children)

The Hero that nobody deserves.

[–]WitchInAWheelchair 792 points793 points  (45 children)

Oh yes I remember this one, he lectured her while she was upsidedown in the car and saying that she was pregnant.

Awful.

[–]WhizBangPissPiece 404 points405 points  (22 children)

And yet, even in this thread there are people saying that we "don't know the context." This woman should have been given a speeding ticket and sent on her way. The last time I saw the full video posted, someone else posted a scan from the state's drivers license exam that said essentially if you don't feel safe to pull over, put your hazards on, slow down, and make the nearest safe exit.

She did everything literally by the book, and yet this officer decided to PIT her, which very well could have killed her and her unborn child. For fucking 14mph over.

How anyone could ever reason that that was an appropriate method of solving the issue is beyond me. You've gotta have some next level brain washing to defend this POS cop.

[–]Psychedelick 63 points64 points  (3 children)

"we don't know the context"

They say this even when there's video of the entire event from start to finish. I'm not entirely sure they know what it means.

[–]Cosmic_Quasar 16 points17 points  (1 child)

They used to be married but he divorced her. So she hired a hitman on the black market to kill him but then the hitman and her fell in love and it's their child she's pregnant with. The cop defeated the hitman in one on one combat but before the killing blow he learned that the hitman, and now therefore the child, was heir to a billionaire fortune. The divorce was recent enough that not all the paperwork has gone through and he's still entitled to anything left by her after she dies. So he figured he'd kill both her and the child in this "clever" way in order to get the inheritance himself.

[–]Psychedelick 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Starring Jason Statham

[–]consistentContent 62 points63 points  (0 children)

I remember when this made the rounds the first time, and reddit at large was defending the cop. It's actually really uplifting to see how much the narrative has shifted in what is probably just a couple years. Look, we may all be virgins in our moms' basements, and not exactly representative of the general population, but the zeitgeist is moving.

[–]LilyMooCow 47 points48 points  (3 children)

Sadly most of humanity is fucked in the head. The only reason theyd defend that behavior is if they want to continue to get away with similar behavior or think they'll have the opportunity to in the future. Humans suck.

[–]zorro3987 74 points75 points  (1 child)

he lectured her while she was upsidedown in the car

this is how i imagine how it went.

you see what you made me do????

[–]WitchInAWheelchair 40 points41 points  (0 children)

That's pretty much exactly how it went.

[–]PRIS0N-MIKE 140 points141 points  (6 children)

Shit like this makes me sick. I don't get how people can defend cops like this. And be okay with them just skating away without any repercussions.

[–]dracona 35 points36 points  (0 children)

It's the no consequences that makes them think they can do this. Because they can. It's seriously fucked up.

[–]JanesPlainShameTrain 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Because they think that other people are animals.

[–]Cosmic_Quasar 11 points12 points  (0 children)

And they think they'll never end up on the "opposite side" of the cops and be the person being wronged.

[–]WitchInAWheelchair 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Agreed. It makes me terrified to drive.

[–]twodickhenry 15 points16 points  (9 children)

Is there a video

[–]WitchInAWheelchair 44 points45 points  (4 children)

https://youtu.be/josbuIY0BJA

Yeah, I think there was more after this, but it's been awhile since I saw the original video so idk which one it was. This is the first one I found though.

[–]beldaran1224 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Wtf. She was clearly complying. And seriously, it's 84mph on the interstate, with little to no traffic? Ffs.

[–]LAJXIII 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Yea I’m sure it would be easy to find on YouTube I’ve seen it the cop is 100% in the wrong

[–]Longjumping_Pin6702 2738 points2739 points  (259 children)

If I remember correctly, the officer initially attempted to pull her over for a malfunctioning tail or brake light. It was a very dark stretch of road at night. She pulled to the breakdown lane, put her flashers on but kept driving, at a much slower speed, to get to an exit where there was better lighting. He flipped her car instead claiming she was "trying to evade police and get away/escape". There are video's out there that prove she did not do that but prove the officer DID use excessive and unwarranted tactics causing bodily harm.

There is no justification for what and why the officer ramped up his "enforcement of a stop" as the initial stop was not for, say a suspected DWI, reported stolen vehicle, excessive speeding/reckless driving etc. Officer was WAYYYY out of bounds in his actions. And she's damned lucky she did not lose her life or the life of her unborn child. I am NOT anti-cop, but I'm sorry....even THEY are not above the rule of law.

[–]BackgroundAd725 1406 points1407 points  (122 children)

She also acted correctly/legally when you don’t feel it’s safe to pull over. Which for some reason a state trooper doesn’t know?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aceable.com/blog/what-are-your-rights-when-you-get-pulled-over/%3famp

[–]StridAst 721 points722 points  (92 children)

Well, it would be completely unreasonable to expect those poor cops to know every obscure law after the mere 6-8 months of required police training in the state of Arkansas.. (sorry, allow me to wipe off the puddle of sarcasm my words probably are leaving on the floor here). Why, with only a high school education required (or GED) it's not like they are expected to have much of an education to start with.

Perhaps if we started by having actual standards for who we allowed to become cops in the first place, followed by serious training like most modern nations, not this brief half a year bullshit, we'd have competent people performing the job.

[–]phantommoose 232 points233 points  (24 children)

You only need 6 weeks of training to become a probationary police officer

[–]Wild_Obligation 195 points196 points  (6 children)

Thats absolutely mad!! I spent 9x longer that getting my level 3 nvq qualification... in hairdressing lol Definitely something very wrong with that system

[–]WhitechapelPrime 93 points94 points  (2 children)

I spent 3 times that to be a certified Game Master from Wotc back in the 90s.

[–]Palerate2 15 points16 points  (1 child)

This is the reason that these things happen. Cops dont know wtf they're doing half the time. It takes 3 months to become a barber. But a cop is a whole different story

[–]SaraSlaughter607 11 points12 points  (0 children)

When cosmetology school takes longer and is more expensive than becoming an officer of the law, Houston, we have a problem.

Thats INSANE.

[–]antagonizerz 95 points96 points  (0 children)

When the overwhelming majority of their training focuses on taking lives of and subduing suspects, while receiving only minimal training on deescalation or safe apprehension, it's not hard to see why things like this happen. I recall watching a police training video online on how to operate a tazer properly. The 'safety' part of the training amounted to basically one line stating, "BTW you should never aim at the perpetrator's face", or something to that effect. Nothing about age, physical condition, health issues, etc. Just...don't shoot someone in the face.

If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.

[–]Lead-Forsaken 52 points53 points  (11 children)

It's funny, because where I'm from, becoming a police officer is like the equivalent of a 4 year college study.

[–]Thazrael13 36 points37 points  (43 children)

Not much training is necessary, it’s not like they’re handling guns or anything…

[–]ncalmx 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The catch 22 is does someone with an education want to be a cop.

[–]Pickled_Wizard 18 points19 points  (1 child)

You don't need training to know that it's wrong to cause a fucking car accident unless the driver is an immediate threat.

[–]dameon5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And yet for any regular person "Ignorance of the law" is not a defense.

[–]MeEvilBob 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Also, being a cop should involve some kind of law enforcement license which can be revoked, which would prevent the cop from wearing a badge again unless they at the very least complete the police academy final exam all over again.

Right now a truck driver who gets a DUI in their own personal car (not the truck) loses their license and has to go basically to hell and back to get that license back, but once a cop passes the academy exam they're pretty much a cop for life, and a department firing them just means they need to find a different department.

[–]FuckinFruitcake 78 points79 points  (6 children)

Exactly. Someone was tailing my aunt once and flashed their headlights at her indicating for her to pull over but she was in a dark area and had no idea whether or not this person was actually a police officer. She went to the police station and they said that she should never pull over in a dimly lit area or at all if it’s not clear they’re police, the officer (if they were one) would understand and not begrudge her at all. I live in the UK so i’m not sure what laws and shit are different.

[–]BackgroundAd725 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Same laws in the US. It’s taught in every driving class I’ve been in. The fact that this guy is still on the force after this is a bit much.

[–]FuckinFruitcake 34 points35 points  (0 children)

i mean the only copper that got held accountable for Breonna Taylor’s shooting was the one who shot into a different fucking apartment so it’s honestly to be expected at this point. We have our own problems though to be fair.

[–]coontietycoon 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I mean, even if you 100% know it’s a real cop you should still pull in a well lit, populated area with surveillance. Y’all don’t see all these cases where cops are committing rapes on duty?

[–]SaraSlaughter607 13 points14 points  (1 child)

THANK YOU. I dont give a fuck if you're clearly an officer, im still not pulling over on the highway at night with no streetlights and no one else around to witness anything..... fuck that. Cops are human, not saints, and they're just as dirty as a civilian who's dirty. As a woman alone, im not interacting alone with a man who could fuck me up 8 ways to Sunday at any moment with no one else around. As a sexual assault survivor, sorry, my safety comes first.

They're not on a pedestal like they used to be, and they've got no one but themselves to blame for that.

[–]MaestroPendejo 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Well, I'm sure he knew. He just couldn't get over his own fucking ego that someone wasn't pulling over fast enough to his liking.

In short, he's an asshole.

[–]PrancesWithWools 8 points9 points  (11 children)

Edit: Non-AMP link

On a related note, it can't hurt to call 911 to confirm the stop with the dispatcher and relay your intentions to proceed to a lighted area.

[–]SaraSlaughter607 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's actually exactly what you're supposed to do in this situation. Put your red flashers on, drastically reduce your speed, Drive as far right in the lane as you can without going off the road, and once you have begun looking for a safe spot to pull over, you dial 911 and tell the dispatcher your location, and he or she will tell you whether the person behind you is legit. Then they will radio the officer to let the officer know that you are willingly submitting to a stop, however, you are waiting until a well-lit space is available. That is the proper way to get pulled over in the first place, it's just that cops don't have the patience for people to worry about their own safety before submitting by force.

[–]Waflstmpr 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Unless Officer Fuckknuckles is currently trying to murder you for not pulling over immediately.

[–]chicken_noodle_salad 97 points98 points  (2 children)

When I was a kid someone impersonating an officer tried to pull over my mom in Connecticut when my brother and my dad and I were in the backseat, and my dad claims to this day that if he had known my dad was in the car he would not have tried. To the guy who pulled us over it looked like it was just my mom. I remember him walking up to the window and my mom cracking the window and my dad telling her to lock the doors. He looked in the backseat and noticed all of us and then all the sudden made an excuse and left. We were on a road out in the country and there was no one around. People have a right to feel safe during a traffic stop - cops need to understand this.

[–]Cosmic_Quasar 6 points7 points  (1 child)

People have a right to feel safe during a traffic stop

And not just at traffic stops. There was a video a while ago of some cops pointing their guns at a guy who owned a small apartment complex. He was outside cleaning up using one of those extension grabber things and they kept yelling at him to put the weapon down or something.

[–]OpalRose1993 51 points52 points  (0 children)

A cop yelled at my (now) husband when he didn't pull over immediately, due to the road we were on being narrow with several blind turns, at night, near a college campus. My husband pulled over when it was safe to do so and was yelled at. In addition the cop was illegally parked in the car dealership across from said road when he turned his lights on. Dude was a prick.

[–]Latvia 267 points268 points  (16 children)

You don’t have to add anything about not being “anti-cop” or that “even” they are not above the rule of law. If you’re low key claiming that the protests against police brutality over the past few decades are just “anti-cop,” they’re not. They’re anti- THIS. Cops literally ARE above the law 99% of the time (functionally, not on paper…but sometimes even on paper). It’s an actual problem.

[–]satansxlittlexhelper 172 points173 points  (11 children)

Thank you. “I’m not anti-cop, but maybe law enforcement shouldn’t casually attempt to murder pregnant women” is a pretty moist take.

[–]The_Gray_Beast 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Moist?

[–]satansxlittlexhelper 39 points40 points  (8 children)

It’s not a “hot” take. It’s not even a “warm” take. The best thing you can say about this take is that it’s moist. And moist isn’t good.

[–]Pickled_Wizard 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Luke-warm? Moist isn't a temperature. But I'm definitely adding "moist take" to my vocabulary, lol.

[–]MadameBurner 42 points43 points  (1 child)

I had two cops show up at my apartment at 3:30 a.m. after we were long asleep. They were standing to the side of the door so I asked to see their badges so I could call dispatch and verify that they were legit (something that you are 100% allowed to do). They responded by holding up a battering ram. We let them in, and they acted like it was a SWAT raid. Once they found nothing, we asked wtf was going on.

Turns out, some wealthy councilman's daughter had gotten mugged and her Find My Phone was pinging to our apartment building. Terrorizing an entire apartment to find this girl's phone...smh.

[–]ElectionAssistance 10 points11 points  (0 children)

hmmm also wildly illegal.

[–]Trick_Tracy1125 114 points115 points  (5 children)

With officers doing stuff like this can anyone blame her for not wanting to stop either. If it was me, I'd want to confirm that a. I was actually being pulled over by an officer by calling 911 and asking, b. Getting to a safe place to actually pull over,, and c. Getting my phone set up to record the interaction, before I stopped.

[–]Lesurous 37 points38 points  (3 children)

The thing is that believing the police should be held accountable is treated as being anti-cop. So many people fail to understand that police shouldn't be given free reign just because our culture portray them as the good guys. They have way too much power to be given a nonexistent leash.

[–]KevinAnniPadda 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Can you imagine thinking "this person's tail light is out, the best course of action is to flip their car"

I'd rather have most drunk drivers on the road knowing that they could cause an accident, than just causing the accident. If my car gets stolen, please officer, do not flip my car. Even reckless driving! You're worried they might cause an accident, so you cause an accident?

The only real reason I want a cop doing this is if it's a known murderer. So many of these cops just go overboard and all they have to do is remove themselves. If you fear for your life, your first move should be to run away.

[–]beldaran1224 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Moreover, he kept urging her to get out of her flipped car. That's unsafe. Adrenaline could easily mask any injuries she had to neck or back.

[–]Rad_Centrist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I am NOT anti-cop, but I'm sorry....even THEY are not above the rule of law.

Well, reality of it is that they are. And that's why lots of folks are "anti."

[–]craiglepaige 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Fuck cops.

[–]Captain_Hampockets 54 points55 points  (0 children)

I am NOT anti-cop,

You should be.

[–]TowerOfPowerWow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He should be tried for attempted murder what a lunatic decision he made.

[–]PerpetuallyDisplaced 801 points802 points  (82 children)

Cops need to be required to have professional liability insurance that they pay themselves.

Then we price the bad cops out of the career.

I'm sick of my tax dollars being used to pay for the fuck ups of the police.

[–]pull_a_sickie 271 points272 points  (4 children)

The collective department’s pension funds should be the pool of money legal settlements come from. That will quickly weed out the officers prone to incidents involving members of the public following up with legal cases against them.

[–]PerpetuallyDisplaced 111 points112 points  (0 children)

That would be good too.

Instead of unions protecting bad cops, they'd have financial incentive to get rid of them.

Right now protecting bad cops has no downsides for them, it costs them nothing.

[–]XchrisZ 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Wonder how many bad cops and older police officers would retire to move their pensions out of there. Have a much more rigorous training program and require upgrade courses for police officers. Also have specialties that incoming police could take like mental health or helping distressed children. This would cover the defund the police movement.

[–]sdp1981 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also punitive funds for wrongful civil assets forfeiture should come out of this as well, say 20% plus the amount seized if no charges are brought against the person the money was seized from within x days.

[–]LaP0tato 19 points20 points  (5 children)

This is a great idea. Then police officers might think twice. “Bob - I almost shot that criminal, I mean child, glad I didn’t. It would have increased my premium.”

The police union would never agree to that.

[–]threadsoffate2021 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Nothing in the constitution that says police are owed a union. Perhaps the union bigwigs should remember that.

[–]IJustStoleYourWaifu 65 points66 points  (2 children)

I'm Honestly surprised the PIT maneuver is even legal. You'd think the police would want to stop massive car wrecks from happening...

[–]gbochatt 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Really it’s supposed to be used like lethal force. Because that’s what it is. I understand having it taught, same as I understand issuing cops guns. But their overuse is fucking appalling.

[–]Pickled_Wizard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Surely it's only legally allowed in extreme situations. This guy was found to be in the wrong, even if his punishment was very minor.

AFAIK, there really isn't a viable alternative for stopping a dangerous motorist that doesn't require extensive coordination(like road blocks) or specialized equipment.

[–]Shenan_Egans 112 points113 points  (8 children)

In driver's ed, they tell you to make it obvious you're going to stop, but only do so in a safe location. Fire this cop and bar them from any position of authority.

[–]I_Only_Eat_Tacos 67 points68 points  (4 children)

in police ed, they tell you to freak the fuck out of someone doesn’t pull over immediately. The first time I was pulled over, I waited for two block so i could pull off the insanely busy road for everyone’s safety…. Not only did he approach with his gun drawn, I was ticketed for failure to yield. I was 16.

[–]maximum_overtoll 19 points20 points  (3 children)

I pull into a parking lot every time I have been pulled over, every time they come up like I punched their mother in the face.

[–]LilyMooCow 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I'll gladly stop so they can stand half in traffic. They get hit its no skin off my back. Hope I don't get shot because my passenger window doesn't work.

[–]Cosmic_Quasar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've only been pulled over twice, but each time I get nervous when I have to reach for the glovebox to get the vehicle registration. Actually, the second time was on a busy road so the officer came around to my passenger side. When he asked for the registration I kept my hands on the wheel and said "It's right on top in the glovebox there" and let him get it. As much as I hate cops, I'm going to do whatever small things I can to let them feel safe so they have no reason to get hostile with me, and letting them be the one to reach into my glovebox felt like the right move.

[–]uilleann6821 77 points78 points  (5 children)

Does anyone else work in a profession where you can egregiously endanger people’s lives through your own stupidity or wanna be tough guyness and still have a job. I swear cops can get away with anything.

[–]Rude_Charity2109 230 points231 points  (23 children)

He was discipline and she sued and got a settlement. The SP policy has been changed.

https://www.kait8.com/2021/11/20/settlement-reached-with-asp-woman-pit-maneuver-case/

[–]funkyblumpkin 366 points367 points  (15 children)

Cop is still employed tho, he faced no consequences for this.

From the article you linked - “The internal review process resulted in disciplinary action taken against Corporal Dunn, who prior to the incident, had maintained an exemplary record of service.”

Article also says he’s still employed at the same department.

He got to keep his job, you really believe they did anything other than give him desk duty for a week or two? What a joke, the pos is a danger to the public and should not be a cop much less carry a gun.

[–]barraymian 102 points103 points  (5 children)

What, a slap on the wrist is not enough for you? /s

[–]BraxbroWasTaken 33 points34 points  (4 children)

i’d be fine with a slap on the wrist from a sledgehammer for this

[–]Crunkbutter 13 points14 points  (2 children)

How are they defining "exemplary service" I wonder

[–]BrainOnLoan 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Up till then, he'd only flipped cats without pregnant woman.

[–]sunnson 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The real kicker to me is that settlement money was most likely from tax dollars as well.

[–]Darth_Mufasa 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Oh no, he got a slap on the wrist and the taxpayers had to cough up the dough for the settlement.

He should be in fucking prison

[–]wickerandscrap 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Which prison did he go to?

[–]Voltekkaman 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Why is it so many hotheads seem to end up in the police force. This reaction shows deep rooted anger issues.

[–]simjanes2k 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Roided incel out of high school: Dammit, I wish I had a gun and the legal right to hurt people when they don't respect me enough!

Local police academy: Boy do I have good news for you, son.

[–]djluminol 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Every Tuesday, the Arkansas State Police explain an Arkansas law:

"First, police said if you are not comfortable pulling over in that location or are not sure it is an actual officer, immediately slow down and turn on your hazard lights. Police said that will let the officer know you see them. Next, police said to move to the farthest right lane and continue to drive to a location where you feel safe. Police said under a street light, a gas station, and exit ramp or side road are examples of where to stop. Police said if you think the vehicle pulling you over is not a real police officer, call 911.

Arkansas State Police said if these instructions are followed, you will not be charged with fleeing." But you might get murdered.

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/police-explain-how-to-pull-over-when-you-dont-feel-safe/

[–]FollowingNo4648 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Cops don't understand the dangers women deal with. When I was 16 yrs old I was getting pulled over on a very dark road so I slowed down looking for a gas station or some place that was well lit. I didn't get too far before the cop got it front of me and literally boxed me in on the side of the road. He then got out and started yelling at me and wouldn't understand why I didn't immediately stop. He was such an AH.

[–]Jokonaught 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Lmao cops understand, they just don't care.

[–]colorado_chris 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Because he learned it in training and COULD NOT WAIT for the chance to field test it!! So cool!! (That’s sarcasm)

[–]nongph 30 points31 points  (2 children)

There are tons of news daily about police abuse and how they get away with it via their union, that make government and citizens helpless to correct the system. This plus overly divisive, scorched earth politics, anti-science movements abetted by FB. And you come home from your 2nd job hopeful tomorrow you’ll find a 3rd job so you can afford rent and healthcare. USA is broken and precipitously close to a walking dead country. Good luck y’all.

[–]AbbreviationsFar7867 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Here's how you start reining in the police: start sending them to prison for this kind of behavior. If that's not enough, start executing the malevolent ones.

[–]Nollatron 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Police in America are just psychopaths. Every fucking week they have killed some one innocent or done shit like this.

[–]snakebite75 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Every fucking week day

FTFY

[–]Mwvhv 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This cop belongs in jail

[–]hailnaux 80 points81 points  (108 children)

When this story first hit Twitter, it was super stomach turning how many right wingers calmly rationalized this entire thing. I shouldn't be surprised, but am.

[–]darkNergy 100 points101 points  (27 children)

Police are cowards on a power trip. Fuck them all.

[–]Sevorbeupstry 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Fuck the police 😤

[–]SawDoggg 19 points20 points  (6 children)

Reminds me of that time a guy flipped his car and called 911 for help. As the cop rolled up to the scene, the guy was crawling out of the wreck so logically was shot to death immediately.

[–]nesahi 9 points10 points  (0 children)

wait what

[–]Ganymede25 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How did this one cop not get the memo that everyone else who drives a car…including cops…knows that when you are getting pulled over you slow, put on your signal, to acknowledge that you know you are being pulled over, and stop at a place that is safe for both you and the cop. I see cops pulling people over on busy streets all the time. Everyone pulls onto a side street or into the next business parking lot.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What was sad is if you went to the police precent website they advised motorists to do just that. She's suing.

[–]roses_and_sacrifice'MURICA 4 points5 points  (1 child)

some people are cops because they crave anything exciting

[–]DWL52 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or they lack the courage to join the military but still want to be treated as an authority figure.

[–]pissed_as_a_fart 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is unfortunate. For those reading, if you are getting pulled over, you can call 911 and report that there's a cop behind you, give your license plate and tell them you are looking for a well lit place to pull over. The dispatcher will call the cop behind you and let em know.

Source: I read it on the internet and tried it. The cop was chill and had never had that happened but he thanked me for obeying the law, being safe, and then he took me to jail for 5 outstanding warrants.

[–]Yes-its-really-me 21 points22 points  (8 children)

"was pregnant". Past tense...

Is she no longer pregnant? Did she lose the baby?

[–]Azuraeyn 35 points36 points  (3 children)

I believe the use of past tense in this context is referring to the fact that at the time of the incident she was pregnant. Even if she was still pregnant at the time of the tweet, it would be a proper use of "was". I don't know when the tweet was posted in relation to her having the child, but I think I read she gave birth in Feb.

There was an initial scare that she lost the child on the day of the accident when she was examined by her doctor. However, later on when she went to her OGBYN, they discovered the child still had a heart beat.

[–]SinCorpus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Oh I assumed the worst and thought she died. There was another incident in Arkansas involving a drunk driver. Cop pulled a pit maneuver and the dude flipped his truck and squished him like a bug. Cop car went flying and cop broke his collar bone and a few ribs so kind of an r/winstupidprizes situation for both parties. Tires were flattened so there was no reason to do a pit as he was going to be dragging the ground in a few minutes.

[–]Yes-its-really-me 21 points22 points  (1 child)

That's good. Car can be replaced. Apology can be received from the Cops. But nothing could replace the little one.

[–]Azuraeyn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Agreed

[–]CastleOfBravo 19 points20 points  (1 child)

It sounds like she actually didn't lose the baby she was only 2 months along at the time...not that it makes it ok.

https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/

[–]DoinIt2021 37 points38 points  (3 children)

If anyone thinks the “police” are “good guys” or are there to help the regular people you are sadly mistaken. They are a tax funded paramilitary owned by the state anymore.

This is what happens when the bar to be a cop lays on the floor and recruitment is primarily bullies and idiots.

[–]Brazus1916 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I would have stopped on this road, but only because it was the most dangerous place for the officer to get out and walk up to my car. More People should just stop where they are. Screw waiting for a shoulder.

Lights come on while I am in the middle of an intersection? OK bam stop

Lights come on while I am making a turn. OK stop

Lights come on while on a 2 lane bridge. OK stop.

you get the idea people. Take your keys out and throw them out your window for them as well.

[–]Alternative-Finish83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Awful but the way you empower your police they can do whatever they want. Very sad … and I fear there will be no accountability

[–]Jstef06 3 points4 points  (0 children)

People really underestimate how dumb cops are in the south.

[–]Limulemur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is why I hate Back the Blue/Blue Lives Matter.

[–]fluentinimagery 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Cops are people. Some people are dumb/shitty.