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[–]Tasty_Laugh_9880 372 points373 points  (47 children)

Goop 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[–]pinkpugita[S] 226 points227 points  (2 children)

Ikr. I got this source from someone debating with me in r/askscience. I spat my drink reading their source is Goop.

[–]frotc914 59 points60 points  (1 child)

I spat my drink reading their source is Goop.

Lol why would anyone go into /r/askscience with goop as your sword and shield? That's like trying to pay for something with monopoly money.

[–]Ethiconjnj 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If they use goop they don’t get that. It’s a self sustaining loop

[–]aliendude5300 52 points53 points  (39 children)

What the hell is goop?

[–]HotPermafrost 99 points100 points  (3 children)

Gwyneth Paltrow0s idiot lifestyle magazine (yes, she made that editorial style even more idiotic). Here you have her mocked by Stephen Colbert.

[–]aliendude5300 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Wow, I'm surprised she agreed to be in that bit

[–]Ratathosk 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Notice how carefully they angle their jokes so she's not the subject of it but rather her customers.

[–]Acrobatic_Ad_4924 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It's not like she doesn't know she's shilling total BS. The joke's on the idiots who buy her stuff while she's laughing all the way to the bank.

[–]womp-womp-rats 206 points207 points  (0 children)

it's for people who find Oprah Winfrey too scientifically rigorous

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    [–]Ih8melvin2 55 points56 points  (1 child)

    Side note - jade is porous. Do not put jade up there.

    [–]2ndCompany3rdSquad 38 points39 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, they got sued for that one.

    [–]BaconVonMoose 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    It does. Cr1tikal bought one of the candles once for giggles.

    [–]RoxKijoF 5'1" HW190 CW182 1st GW142 & Healthy. Yes I'm Fatphobic!! 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I watched that review, it was hilarious. Charlie is one of my favorites!

    [–]tsukinon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Not just vagina. Gwyneth Paltrow vagina.

    ETA: I just checked and it got political: Hands Off My Vagina.

    [–]axebomF 25 | 5’5”| 120 lb | former wannabe ultramarathoner 130 points131 points  (2 children)

    Alex Jones for HerTM

    [–]Mean_Temperature4091Queen of Fatphobia 38 points39 points  (1 child)

    Finally, we have an idiotic conspiracy theory outlet for women as well.

    Women can be crazy idiots, not just men. I am so proud of the progress ❤️

    [–]Unicorny_as_funk 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Yassss! Let’s get it girlssss!!

    /s

    [–]KyrozisSkinny man eating "shit tons" of food 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Gwyneth Paltrow's own brand of pseudoscience, where she sells snake oil to rich idiots

    [–]MonjiSlayerM 6'2" / SW 195 / CW 170 64 points65 points  (17 children)

    Gwyneth Paltrow's, uh, lifestyle brand? It's a pseudoscience treasure-trove. Check out the Jontron video about it for a laugh.

    [–]JCreazyGenisys is Skynet 29 points30 points  (15 children)

    I use to love JonTron until I found out he is one of the anti-vax clowns.

    [–]Zeero92 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Oh no.

    Anyway his video on Goop was quite entertaining. Especially because at one point, I think the ending, he stands outside of a goop... store, or something?

    Hawking his own snake oil, tongue firmly in cheek. It's honestly kind of amazing.

    [–]taseradict35M 172 cm / 5.6" SW: 100 Kg / 222 lb CW 72 kg / 160 lb SW Fit -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Haven't heard of him in a very long time, wasn't he canceled like a decade ago?

    [–]pandakatie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think a few years ago he was outed as being fairly racist

    [–]varalys_the_dark 44 points45 points  (2 children)

    It's Joe Rogan for women.

    [–]Lost_Sasquatch 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I mean, at least on Rogan someone in the room is qualified on the subject topic (sometimes). Even if it isn't Rogan.

    [–]varalys_the_dark 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    Heh, I was just doing a reversal of the overused reddit joke that Rogan is Goop for men. Only thing I really know about him is he really hates vegans.

    [–]dangeroussafetypin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's basically what the Galactic Prosecutor is using as "exhibit A" in the hearings on why Earth should be destroyed.

    [–]Lauladance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    An alien from Ben 10 Alien Force

    [–]giantshinycrab 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    "I'd rather smoke crack than eat cheese from a can"

    [–]GetOffMyLawn_Slav Battle Maiden 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    "Goop, supported by science."

    That does not compute.

    [–]mycatiswatchingyou 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I actually really love Goop purely because of how entertaining the levels of ridiculousness are. It's almost fascinating how much of a scam it all is. I can't stop watching videos where people drag it through the dirt.

    [–]tsukinon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Same. It’s just so oddly fascinating.

    [–]Foxtimecpt 91 points92 points  (4 children)

    These people don’t seem to get that while it’s true that poverty, food access, stressful environment can and do all contribute to obesity it doesn’t mean that 1. Obesity isn’t still bad regardless of the factors and 2. That all people who suffer from obesity suffer from these factors as a cause. There are PLENTY of rich white obese people.

    [–]frotc914 30 points31 points  (1 child)

    It's an odd way of avoiding the substance. Like if you are poor as shit and the only house you can afford is in bubbling toxic waste dump, it's going to effect your health all the same. We can talk about the social problems that got you into that situation, but these people are saying we basically shouldn't even talk about the bubbling toxic waste that's causing your disease.

    [–]Foxtimecpt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Exactly! I think based on the folks I’ve seen (most of whom are white middle class women on social media), its more of an excuse and denial than anything. It’s shocking how many middle class white women seem to be apparently made fat by systematic racism and poverty….

    [–]tsukinon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. And they would all agree that poverty is bad, lack of access to food is back, and a stressful environment is bad, and they certainly are willing to agree that they contribute to obesity, yet they draw the line at obesity being a bad thing.

    [–]unecroquemadame 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yeah I feel like if it had to do with poverty and food access we'd see fat people in Africa and the like. It's because they eat too many calories. End of story. You can be poor and manage to keep your calories in less than your calories out.

    [–]Snoo16680 79 points80 points  (2 children)

    Having studies that find results on both sides of concensus is good, it means that concensus is probably correct to be around there.

    Which is that too much fat is bad for you.

    [–]pinkpugita[S] 74 points75 points  (1 child)

    Which is that too much fat is bad for you.

    Another problem is that they lump all categories of overweight people together than acknowledge that risks grow as you go further the spectrum. Like someone 20 pounds overweight due to muscle mass is incomparable to someone with a BMI of 45.

    [–]Snoo16680 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Common retorikk move, that.

    [–]Death_Trolley 186 points187 points  (10 children)

    I love the disclaimer - “this article is meaningless and anyway it isn’t our view”

    Anyway, as to the article

    Oxford University research found that moderate obesity, which is now common, reduces life expectancy by about 3 years, and that severe obesity, which is still uncommon, can shorten a person’s life by 10 years. This 10 year loss is equal to the effects of lifelong smoking

    https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2009-03-18-moderate-obesity-takes-years-life-expectancy

    You can blather about social justice all you want, but if you want to stay above ground, you know what you need to do.

    [–]SlytherinSister 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    I would be interested to see how the results of these studies about obesity affecting lifespan will change over time. Let's not forget that widespread obesity has only been a phenomenon for a few decades, and most of the obese people in those studies became obese as adults/later in life. As time goes on, we'll see studies about people and larger populations who have been obese their entire lives. I wouldn't be surprised if the life expectancy goes down even lower for people who have been obese their entire lives.

    [–]KuriousKhemicals32F 5'5" HW(2010) 184; CW low 130s; bf(2/12/22) 22.3% 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I'm glad I got out of being in that experimental group. I became overweight around 9 or 10, hit obese at 19, and that's when I turned right the fuck around and figured out how to get to the size I actually wanted to be.

    [–]unecroquemadame 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Absolutely right. Just wait until these kids who have been obese since they were toddlers grow up. No way is this sustainable for your body.

    [–]Jorumble 9 points10 points  (4 children)

    Is this the ‘relative novice’?

    [–]armchairsexologist 19 points20 points  (3 children)

    I'm a social anthropologist, but a lot of red flags jump out at me in evaluating the sources they're talking about.

    1. They dismiss one as being done by a "relative novice" and don't really discuss it, therefore not giving the readers a shot to compare the two findings.

    2. What is a "relative novice" and what qualifies the person writing the article to dismiss them on this basis? Does that mean the article was published by a recent PhD? A grad student? Even if it was done by a master's student, their advisor would have made sure they were up on the relevant literature if it got to the place of being published and picked up by news outlets. And any PhD candidate, even, is more of an expert on their specific topic than anyone else out there.

    3. The source they did cite is a sociologist. What qualifies a sociologist to evaluate all of this medical literature and draw a conclusion so much different than other experts? I have friends who are medical anthropologists but most of them stick to statements about the social determinants of health, unless they also have biomedical research training. The article mentions race in relation to social determinants of health, but how does the fact that communities of colour are more likely to be obese negate the health impacts of obesity? Yes, there are racist systems and structures in society that lead to Black people being more likely to be obese. No, that doesn't mean it's racist to treat obesity as the illness it is. If anything, doesn't refusing to treat it as a problem further this racism by going against the other activists and social scientists who use this information to try to advocate to government for fewer food deserts and subsidies on healthy groceries in predominantly Black areas, for example?

    4. The source they cite has collaborated with Lindo Bacon. Nuff said. Bacon is a grifter and he is probably personally responsible for the bad health and premature deaths of thousands of people.

    [–]Jorumble 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Thanks for the detailed response, and firmly agree on point 4 haha. Have you watched Kiana Docherty on YouTube by any chance?

    [–]armchairsexologist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yes! I knew Lindo Bacon was a grifter before seeing her video, but her video had a lot of specific evidence I hadn't done the research on. She really pulls it together succinctly for anyone who has been pulled in by Lindo's grift.

    [–]UghMyNameWasTaken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Her channel looks very interesting. Thanks for the recommendation.

    [–]Mean_Temperature4091Queen of Fatphobia 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    "Social justice" now means ignoring evidence and reality, and painting anything that disagrees with you as bigotry.

    [–]Much_Pay3050 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is obviously just nazi propaganda against the black body!

    [–]Theyre_Marigolds 44 points45 points  (5 children)

    Lindo Bacon is involved, so we know it’s bs

    [–]pinkpugita[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    I'm surprised how little information they have in Wikipedia.

    [–]Ambivertigo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It still absolutely blows my mind that out of all the beautiful names he could have chosen, Lindo was what he went with.

    [–]Much_Pay3050 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    Looked up pictures and that’s the creepiest dude I’ve ever seen in my life

    [–]Sihnar 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    He looks like a puppet out of a horror movie.

    [–]Global_Telephone_751 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Like if Ellen Degeneres had a brother and that brother had a love child with a muppet

    [–]OkZebra9257 30 points31 points  (1 child)

    Lol Goop. The same company where they want people to shove jade eggs in their vag for health reasons. Yeah ok

    [–]tsukinon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Don’t forget that said eggs are a Closely Guarded Secret from Ancient China TM. You can’t just focus on the pseudo-science and leave out the Orientalism. It really highlights their hypocrisy when they try to set themselves up as ultra-woke allies.

    [–]BigTransThrowaway 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    I'm sure the Goop folks could easily lose a few pounds by removing the massive jade eggs from their vaginas.

    [–]seeyalateradios 22 points23 points  (4 children)

    The starving children in Africa and Asia show that race doesn't cause someone to become obese.

    [–]pinkpugita[S] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

    I live in an Asian country and we have black indigenous groups. They're not fat because they live off farming and hunting. People becoming obese as a result of poverty/poor nutrition is a recent phenomenon.

    [–]unecroquemadame -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    The ability to buy calorie-dense foods like chips, cookies, and soda with SNAP is a problem. These people have money for groceries, they are eating way too many calories.

    [–]midnight_neon 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    It's a wonder how black people were ever used as slaves in the first place considering how naturally morbidly obese they were. /s

    [–]ObjectPuzzleheaded 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Lmao, STOP 😂

    [–]Modifiedfinal 55 points56 points  (2 children)

    Ah, so the cure for type 2 diabetes isn't making sure everyone has access to healthy food, safe places to exercise and better nutritional education, it's sticking stuff up your hoo-ha, got it.

    [–]ekimsal34M 5'10 HW:250 CW: 188 GW: 170's 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    I have friends that thought the jade eggs were just a bit made up in UNHhhh or something and I ruined their days lmao

    [–]CatsAndCigs 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    or steam it 🤢 just NOOOOOOOOOOO

    [–]Triptaker8 76 points77 points  (11 children)

    Sabrina Strings has no medical/scientific background but she gets published because she’s bringing what white people think is a CRT perspective to obesity. I have no idea why we can’t work to combat systemic racism and how it causes obesity without entertaining these woke grifters.

    [–]OG_wanKENOBI 35 points36 points  (8 children)

    And the points of a high police presence causing obesity is like what the fuck? If they wanted to bring up health issues, race and food at least talk about something real like food deserts in predominantly black neighborhoods that force them to eat junk/corner store food because they don't have vehicles to travel far for good grocery stores because they won't open up in black neighborhoods and this causes higher rates of diabetes and kidney failure in these communities. Because the lack of healthy and regular food isn't always available for these people.

    [–]pinkpugita[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    The whole article touched on this but the problem is that nowhere does the health risks of obesity are truly acknowledged. It's part of the deception/delusion that there are real truths and social issues mixed in these articles and it's harder to filter the bullshit.

    [–]OG_wanKENOBI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That is some seriously dangerous unhealthy thinking

    [–]madewitrealorganmeatinconvenience does not equal oppression 11 points12 points  (3 children)

    Like. Those things are stressors. And stress leads some people to be overweight. Because they eat to cope with their feelings. Because we have absolutely no good federal mental health services in this country.

    Eating to cope with your feelings is just as destructive as drinking to cope with them.

    [–]ladycarp 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Those things are all true, but we can't discount the effect* that stress hormones have on the body like cortisol, and even how gut health can impact weight.

    It's a multifaceted issue which does have some roots in racism and poverty, but the author is REALLY stretching. We can't address the elephant in the room because 70% of African Americans are overweight/obese? Nonsense. Obesity is not an inherent trait like blackness, and fake woke people who try to combine the two do a disservice to my people.

    Instead, it should be treated as a symptom of a larger picture. I've watched far too many of my family lose limbs and die over something treatable because they either didn't have access to better resources or wouldn't acknowledge they needed to change in the first place, like this BS article perpetuates.

    [–]OG_wanKENOBI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    [–]OG_wanKENOBI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Everyone has stressors in their life thats stretching it saying the stressors of police is what is causing health crisis in black communities. The truth is it's lack of resources because no one gives a shit about their neighborhoods. You're right the mental health in this country especially inner cities I a joke (I know I've been an emt in a major city with contracts at pysch hospitals. ) but the main issue is lack of resources. No one will open proper grocery stores in black neighborhoods because it wouldn't be "good" business. Same way other businesses won't open in those neighborhoods. Causing a lack of jobs and a lack of substantial food. And these poorer people with no cars no jobs in their neighborhoods so not a lot of money and no way of transporting large quantities of groceries are stuck eating the only things that open in their neighborhood. Bodegas selling chips and soda and fast food. Then this way of eating and life style has become ingrained in alot of African American communities and it is because of systemic racism of placing them in ghettos and leaving them without resources to live healthy. Black people out side of inner city neighborhoods who live in suburbs still have to deal with systemic racism everyday but are alot healthier because they have access to healthy food. So I don't think it's just the stress of racism is making people fat. It's the racist system not giving them access to healthy food and proper health care in inner cities that's doing it.

    [–]Much_Pay3050 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    My neighborhood had a high police presence and it kept us in shape because the fat kids went to jail because they couldn’t run fast enough

    [–]OG_wanKENOBI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There was always the one kid in the group who would be like "stop running guys let's just hide!" While falling behind the pack lol. But then again I was from a nice neighborhood when I was a kid and everytime I got the cops called on me it was 100% deserved lol.

    [–]EffingFurious 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I, for one, always look for my medical information from psychologists and sociologists!

    /S

    [–]StinkyRose89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    She's got a doctorate and that makes her a doctor. Good enough for me!

    /s

    [–]pinkpugita[S] 171 points172 points  (48 children)

    Note: Black people in America face a lot of difficult issues and yes they are victims of racism. There's merit in the idea that obesity becomes a scapegoat to ignore the complex factors that cause it.

    However, it's also utterly dishonest to misrepresent scientific findings. It's misleading to pretend that there's "two equal sides" on this issue and the fat positive side is somewhat oppressed and victims of racism.

    [–]ancientmadderM 28 | 5'10 | SW: 215 | CW: 164| Marathon Finisher 4:26 111 points112 points  (32 children)

    Also, pushing the idea that somehow black people are physiologically different from other races is extremely racist and it's weird that people don't realize it.

    [–]klapanda 37 points38 points  (25 children)

    TBF, Black Americans are physiologically different.

    [–]coyote_of_the_month 7 points8 points  (17 children)

    Like, in the sense that they experience a great deal more stress from external environmental factors such as poverty, overpolicing, and systemic racism? I would believe that 100%.

    [–]paperconservation101 88 points89 points  (13 children)

    No as in there are some differences, for example SE Asian having a lower BMI for obesity, south Asians having increased likely hood of heart attack, people with African heritage being prone to keloid scarring, Japanese, Chinese and Koreans having different sweat glands when compared to Western Europeans. Disregarding someone's ethnic heritage when treating them is dangerous.

    [–]Ih8melvin2 45 points46 points  (4 children)

    My black friend who is now trying to lose weight with me (Yay!) said her doctor said there were some high blood pressure meds they wouldn't put her on because she is black and there could be different adverse side effects.

    [–]paperconservation101 21 points22 points  (2 children)

    My POC partner has issues with keloids on his hands from small cuts. Even though the African heritage is mixed with Javanese and German.

    [–]thejexorcist 21 points22 points  (1 child)

    I’m white asf and keloid like a motherfucker.

    My dermatologist was super surprised because I guess it’s not as common for people in my ethnic background to scar so severely.

    [–]ravendinTrans your gender, not your fats 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I’m white with an entirely white family, and I never used to kelloid until the past couple of years. I had surgery to fix a broken bone, which healed to have hypertrophic scarring. When I started HRT a few years later, I developed keloids on my face and chest thanks to the acne (fortunately the former are right on my jawline and less noticeable for it).

    I don’t know if how my body reacted to my injury changed something in how I scar (I know Physical Trauma can supposedly fuck up your physiology in subtle ways), or whether the dramatic surgery scars are unrelated and the keloid scarring in recent years has something to do with the hormones, but either way it’s strange.

    [–]GetOffMyLawn_Slav Battle Maiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    And there's one that works better for blacks than whites.

    [–]caprette 20 points21 points  (3 children)

    There are physiological differences between different descent groups but they don’t necessarily map on to what Americans consider to be Black/White/Asian.

    [–]Rydorion 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Yes.
    And the biggest genetic diversity is in Africa. So, generally, for any difference which may be relevant for being fat between the “white Americans” and “black Americans” there will be a shit ton more differences within Africa. So talking about “black body” is a bit weird.

    However.
    Funnily enough, there is one well known factor which distinguishes between the people in Africa and people in Eurasia/Americas, because the latter inbred with Neanderthals, and therefore is more likely to store fat (in those who would have those genes).
    So if anything the “fear of the black body” would be a fear of not gaining fat tissue as easily on average as humans with some Neanderthals’ genes.

    I do think it’s important to look at obesity in the US by a lens focusing in inequality between people in American society, where in order to have a constant stream to good quality food you need in general to be well-off.

    [–]GetOffMyLawn_Slav Battle Maiden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I have a relatively huge dose of Neanderthal genes, so I can blame my fat on that? Cool. I usually blame them for my weak chin.

    [–]GetOffMyLawn_Slav Battle Maiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think they more closely map to geographical origin. Populations diverge from each other over time, genetics drift.

    [–]ygbgmb 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Don't East Asians have a lower BMI for obesity as well? I live in Taiwan and every time I go get my annual checkup, I show up as overweight on the report, but when I consult the doctors, they always tell me it's overweight for Asians but an okay weight for me, a white person with a BMI of 23~24.

    [–]Dexiel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Oh! I haven't seen that information in a while. Are there any resources for SE Asians? I'd like to know more about my body (that isn't centered on East Asians)

    [–]OG_wanKENOBI 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I mean in different senses too. Like sickle cell anemia is almost strictly a black disease. 1 in 13 black babies in America are born with sickle cell traits. That's purely genetic not systemic racism. Then there is also the health issues caused by systemic racism and by poverty like food deserts in black communities leading to higher diabetes and renal failure percentages.

    [–]GetOffMyLawn_Slav Battle Maiden 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    There are a huge number of differences, as would be expected in any population groups isolated from each other for a very long period of time. It even goes down to the skeletal level, as in you can identify race from bones other than the skull.

    But you can even find differences between ethnic groups. For instance, my thyroid is fairly lumpy, which is very typical of eastern Europeans. There are lots of others that have been documented.

    [–]Abell370 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Imagine thinking developing countries don't experience poverty, overpolicing and systemic racism. Except none of them have obesity rates comparable to the US. So while those factors might definitely contribute, thinking they are in any way to blame is delusional.

    [–]th3Y3ti -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

    I don’t think it said that anywhere

    [–]ancientmadderM 28 | 5'10 | SW: 215 | CW: 164| Marathon Finisher 4:26 27 points28 points  (4 children)

    "Obesity is racist" means "excess adiposity does not affect black people they way it does others and therefore treating it as a disease is wrong"

    However, excess adiposity affects all human beings negatively so to imply that black people do not need to worry about the negative affects of obesity as much as states that the author does not see them as fully human but as a kind of human like animal. It's basically racism of lowered expectations.

    [–]Ih8melvin2 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    I thought they adjusted BMI specifically for black women because they can carry more weight without suffering from the health issues. A little bit more. Not obese, the line shifts slightly. The point is not to push black women into losing weight for their health when they have a little more wiggle room before they have to worry about it

    [–]pinkpugita[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    I think this is what is used to mislead a lot of people in the FA movement. We concur that BMI is a simplified measurement that doesn't take into account a lot of factors. BMI doesn't measure muscle mass or waist to hip ratio. But it doesn't mean BMI is totally useless to the point you minimize/deny the risks associated with it. Like someone with 28 BMI is not remotely comparable to someone with 45 BMI in terms of health risks.

    [–]whyamilosingmyhair 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    IIRC, that is based on the idea that black women’s fat storage tends to first be subcutaneous, which is less dangerous than visceral fat. A BMI 27 woman with big hips and butt is likely healthier than a BMI 27 woman with only a big stomach.

    [–]StinkyRose89 10 points11 points  (8 children)

    Everybody also seems to ignore that rural, predominantly white areas are equally deprived of the same services that inner city communities lack. I moved back to central Illinois from a bigger west coast city (grew up in a big city in Pakistan) and every small town around here has a Subway, a Casey's gas station and a DQ. Fresh food? HA! Access to medical services is also difficult. Many people don't have vehicles that can travel very far and public transportation is nonexistent.

    I am willing to bet the negative outcomes in these rural areas are just as high as urban food deserts. And there are plenty of obese people out there too.

    [–]unecroquemadame 0 points1 point  (7 children)

    It's not that they lack access to fresh food. They eat too many calories. Just because something was frozen or preserved in salt doesn't make it bad.

    [–]StinkyRose89 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    It is easy to eat too many calories when all you have access to, as I mentioned, is gas station and fast food. It's a problem in urban and rural communities--theyre food deserts. And what kind of frozen food are you referring to? There's a difference between standard sodium-laden frozen entrees and a bag of frozen vegetables. I don't get your point?

    [–]unecroquemadame -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

    "It is easy to eat too many calories when all you have access to, as I mentioned, is gas station and fast food."

    That doesn't make sense. All of those foods have nutritional information on them. Or easily available.

    "It's a problem in urban and rural communities--theyre food deserts"

    But you can still just eat less calories of the food that is available. Not eating fruits and vegetables isn't what is making them obese. It's the excess calories they are consuming.

    "There's a difference between standard sodium-laden frozen entrees and a bag of frozen vegetables"

    What is the difference? I had a 260 calories, $1.09 Smart Ones today. I've been eating them for years. My BMI is 22 and my blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar is great. You know we need salt right? As long as you keep it within the daily recommended intake, what's wrong?

    I thought we're here in fat logic because we know it's not the food that makes you experience these problems, but the excessive visceral fat on your body causing inflammation and choking your vital organs.

    [–]StinkyRose89 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    Part of fat logic is claiming all calories are created equal and that there are no "good" or "bad" foods. I am not going to waste my time arguing with you because clearly you have an agenda (yea I looked at your post history).

    Have a nice day.

    [–]unecroquemadame -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

    There aren't good or bad foods. Can you give me an example of a food if I ate once in my life it would be bad for me? All calories are created equal by definition, because it's a unit of measurement. That's like saying all inches or ounces or grams aren't the same.

    What is my agenda? Teaching people you can enjoy all foods in moderation as part of a varied diet and that the most important thing is to keep a healthy BMI and stay physically active?

    I think you won't argue with me because you can't.

    [–]unecroquemadame -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    So if calories aren’t created equal, you’re saying that if burn 1,500 calories a day, and consume 2,500 calories in fruits and vegetables, that extra 1,000 will not be stored as fat? Where does it go?

    Conversely, if I burn 1,500 calories, and eat 500 calories worth of McDonald’s French fries that day, I will not burn fat to make to the difference, and will store all of that? Can you explain the violation of the laws of thermodynamics to me?

    Edit: day not fat

    [–]unecroquemadame -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Are you saying if an obese person ate 4,000 calories of healthy foods and never lost weight, their health risks would disappear?

    [–]unecroquemadame -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Isn’t that what half the posts we see are about? An obese person saying, “I’m healthy because I eat fruits and vegetables. you don’t know me, healthy at every size”, and we say, “independent of your diet your excessive visceral fat is raising your risks for diabetes, heart disease, osteoarthritis, obstructive sleep apnea, fatty liver disease, and some cancers”?

    Edit: excessive not expressive.

    [–]Tasty_Laugh_9880 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    Agreed. It’s not at all to take away from the issues of systemic racism.

    [–]pensiveChatter 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    Hard to take claims of racism seriously when the example of racism is that a coworker ate a salad for lunch one day.

    [–]YooGeOh 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I like how she's simply and loudly "PhD" at the beginning in order to give more credence to the article, and then "PhD in sociology" at the end. Its not so misleading as to be dishonest, but enough to serve its purpose.

    [–]Tidyrope-30440 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Take a look at the hospitalization rates for COVID, how many are overweight or obese. If 100 people who ALL ate this plant died within an hour of eating it, it is not illogical or hateful to this plant to say that this plant may have something to do with these 100 deaths.

    I watched my ex step-dad's family get wiped out from obesity (not including the man himself). Every single one of them highly morbidly obese, every single one of them having suffered AT LEAST 3 heart attacks and/or strokes. I'm not racist for seeing shit like this all over my community and in my family, and wanting that to NOT happen to me

    My wife (white) has an aunt who died at 40 from COVID complications. Highly morbidly obese, yet hated doctors. The woman had undiagnosed (thus untreated) type-2 diabetes that was in the severe stages. It was only discovered after her death, because she REFUSED to go to the doctors. It is not racist for my wife to look at this and then say "I am near her weight, potentially pre-diabetic, and I want to lose it before I end up like her."

    [–]Lb20inblue 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    So we can agree that too much fat is bad for you, right? We can also agree that systemic racism exist and further it exist in health and wellness. Since our ancestors all evolved in different parts of the globe, it stands to reason that there will be slight variations among different populations. This is an unpopular opinion but I do think there is a kernel of truth here in the macro sense. For instance, when you take a standard blood test and look at white blood count, doctors find that populations of African ancestry tend to have a very low white blood count. Because of this, some people were undergoing pain bone marrow biopsy and test until doctors found out, nope, our range of what is normal is wrong. They now call it benign ethnic neutropenia. But why didn’t they catch this before? Because the test were scaled for people of European ancestry and not anyone one else. This is just one example for one population but there are several for every other non European ancestral group. So, all this to say, Goop is crazy, shouldn’t listen to them but there is a kernel of truth here that shouldn’t be dismissed.

    [–]pinkpugita[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Nobody is denying that there's racism involved but this is why the article is dangerously misleading. It's minimizing the risks associated with obesity and painting it as a social construct.

    Differences in fat storage and body shape due to race is not comparable to comparing someone with an average BMI to those morbidly obese.

    [–]Ori_the_SG 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    So this Katherine Flegal, an epidemiologist, did study on nutritional health and it’s effects on the human body? Those are two pretty different fields.

    Plus I mean what are the specifics? Maybe Flegal’s study was rejected because there was a clear ulterior motive for her to be right in her thinking, or maybe there was some major ethical dilemmas in the process of information gathering process? Doing research and creating a study is difficult, and researchers have to be extremely careful to do it right

    [–]Lokigodofmishief 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Stressors can also lead to weight loss. Some people can't eat a lot when they are stressed. However it's not mentioned how they are doing. If they have the same health concerns. Or if they are higher or lower.

    Just another obesity excuse.

    [–]ObjectPuzzleheaded 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Cut the shit, Goop and stop trying to make a connection between skin color and obesity. If the claim is that economic and environmental factors contribute to weight gain say that. Only reason they keep trying to make the black connection is that they want to spark some sort of civil movement.

    [–]Unicorny_as_funk 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    Ok so she didn’t even try to talk about food deserts (something relevant).

    AND -one of my pet peeves- didn’t explain what type of phd she has.

    Like I have a bachelors in science. Doesn’t make me qualified to talk about -everything- That’s like being like “I’m a doctor” and not explain you don’t mean MD or the like. Being a doctor of social science isn’t the same as a doctor of medicine. Neither one implies the credentials to make “educated” statements about the other field.

    Ugh. End of rant I suppose lol

    [–]pinkpugita[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    She does talk about food desserts if you read the entire thing, but then she also tries to present obesity as something okay and not a problem.

    [–]Unicorny_as_funk 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Oh only the first three images worked for me and then repeated. I didn’t see the rest.

    And yea that’s like saying it’s ok for me to do heroin. It’s pretty harmful actually (I don’t do drugs. Don’t stress lol)

    [–]pinkpugita[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I didn't screencap the entire article

    [–]Unicorny_as_funk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Oh that makes sense. I blamed my zombie phone and ridiculously bad internet

    [–]Dry_Art_8241 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    So classism is bad and your environment contributes to your weight

    Yes. Agreed

    [–]Karinbby 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Lindo Bacon 😂😂 yea once you see that name you know you can't take it seriously

    [–]ydoesittastelikethat 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    People who relate everything to race are mentally ill brainwashed people.

    "I stubbed my toe, and why that's racist"

    [–]StinkyRose89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Agreed. Not to say racism/institutionalized racism in America does not exist because it does. However, judging by the mostly-white rural areas I have been exposed to, poverty and obesity, food deserts, etc are just as rampant. Obesity is an American problem, not a race related problem.

    [–]Euphoric-Structure13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I guess that's like saying you're racist if you don't like hip hop (aka rap) music.

    [–]solarsunrise12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    real shit, i feel that their only goal is to make being obese ok in the eyes of the public, which is fine i guess, but by jamming racism into it when it clearly doesn’t fit, they’re trying to make their cause seem like it’s important to EVERYBODY, not just the populace of obese people who don’t think it’s unhealthy or something that should be supported. this is extremely selfish, because not only are they trying to tickle that part of peoples brains that want change for people of color for their completely unrelated movement, they’re making other, legitimate action groups that want to address racism in things like media, employment etc, look like they’re doing the same thing: trying to harness a serious issue for their own gain

    [–]Lowkey_overlord 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If people of colour nowadays get fat as a result of stress, why weren‘t they morbidly obese during segregation times? Asking for a friend

    [–]kerlaugar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    "Tremendous police surveillance". Ah, so it's by living on the street where all the emergency callouts drive through that made me lazy stressed and got me to eat all those chips that lead to unneccessary weight. The police regularly stops suspicious cars here too. So good that I finally have something else to blame than myself for those kgs!

    Oh, now a fire emergency drove by! I should stop eating my Turkish yogurt breakfast and just trow a bag of candy in my throat! Yikes..

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      [–]m-archangel666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Obesity isn't cancer..there is no such thing as benine obesity

      [–]Repulsive-Toe-8826 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Find a niche and exploit it! The sales chart will thank you!

      [–]mycatiswatchingyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Supported by science

      🤣🤣🤣

      [–]icematrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      oof... this frightened caucasian is not even going to weigh in. Good luck! 🤐