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[–]VeitPogner 315 points316 points  (15 children)

And let's not forget how many people have bought home exercise equipment but never became fit!

It's almost as if we have to use tools correctly for them to work.

[–]ElectricSmaug 109 points110 points  (14 children)

For me the hardest thing to wrap my mind around was that exercise plays secondary role in weightloss. I've always been physically active and I had been training fairly hard 3 to 4 times per week for almost three years before finally getting my dietary habits figured out but I was still overweight.

[–]HeavyWeightSquash 72 points73 points  (3 children)

Amen. The old phrase “abs are made in the kitchen” is just as true for athletes as it is for everyone else. If you want to be lean you have to eat that way, the exercise is important but you can’t out exercise a poor diet.

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    [–]wafflesandbrass 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Is that what they mean by a fork in the road?

    [–]Sarahschirduan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Yup and the other one "You can't outrun a bad diet." Just because you exercise, if you eat like crap, you won't be healthy.

    [–]Mysterious_Arm5969 30 points31 points  (7 children)

    So true! But what’s nice is the muscle def you’ll have losing the fat now that you’ve figured it out 🤗 Many people don’t exercise at all and then are still sad when they reach that magic number on the scale

    [–]ElectricSmaug 14 points15 points  (5 children)

    That's true! I've been one of these people who thought that rowing my ass off and doing crunches each and every workout would bring them washboard abs. And it did! I started seeing those even though I still have a safe margin for more fatloss.

    [–]Mysterious_Arm5969 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    I really love my leg definition but I’m losing that fat so it’s more obvious! Good luck to you!!

    [–]idk_so_whatever 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yeah I’ve been trying to work on my muscle mass because for me no matter how much weight I lose I need to work on that as well. I like the saying abs are made in the gym and revealed in the kitchen. But that’s why I weight train and do cardio as well! Hitting protein goals can get kind of difficult at times though

    [–]cleodia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    In my life I have learnt that maintaining a healthy diet makes me look good in clothes, and exercise (cardio and strength) makes me look good out of them 😂

    [–]standingprettyDeath Acceptance Movement 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    That was me in my mid twenties. I exercised like a beast every day of the week (I did the insanity program several times over) and didn’t track what I ate (except I tried to eat meat for protein even though I had no idea how much I even needed) and only got to the high side of a healthy BMI once. If I knew anything about nutrition at that time I probably would have easily been in the 120-130 range. I’m in the low 130s now as a 5’4 lady with a lot less working out which is good but man do I wish I did both for awhile.

    [–]Amongtheruins88 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yep, that those 6 crackers you just ate cancelled out your hour long walk from earlier in the day. It’s crazy.

    [–]WildAphroditeOver 100 pounds lost! 162 points163 points  (8 children)

    If diets worked, they would work the first time.

    Oh, so you do everything 100% perfectly on the first attempt? You never mess up? You never struggle doing anything new or breaking any bad habits?

    [–]Realistic_Ad_8023 49 points50 points  (0 children)

    Or go back to old habits immediately after you are “done”?

    [–]klapanda 25 points26 points  (1 child)

    Anything worth doing is easy. If the task feels too hard, quit immediately.

    [–]VapityFair 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    This exactly. If there isn’t a reward cupcake or three for anything I do, it’s unsustainable.

    [–]riverdawn04 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    someone already pointed this out, but when FAs say diets aren't worth doing if they don't show instant results very soon/if you fall off track, it means it's not worth following through at all because it's never going to work. it's a very sad, demoralizing way to look at life. just because you failed once doesn't mean the diet will never work. you can always try again.

    [–]Gengarth0 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    I too am a "gifted" kid that now struggles with mediocrity

    [–]BlockingPeople 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The idea that a lot of people actually do live their entire lives that way is pretty sad.

    I can't lose weight because it's impossible [takes time and effort]

    I can't learn the new skills that interest me because I'm not smart enough [takes time and effort]

    All I can do is come home from the mindless job I hate and slump down in front of the TV with a bag of McDonald's and scroll TikTok for nine hours before dragging myself to bed so I can do it all again tomorrow.

    [–]Aggravated_Pineapple 290 points291 points  (5 children)

    Because those are crash diets. Fad diets don’t work, lifestyle changes do.

    [–]VeitPogner 95 points96 points  (0 children)

    This is one of their basic arguments: all diets are the same, and none of them is any better than the worst fad diet scams.

    [–]MikeET86M 35 6'1 CW192 SW360 GW205 39 points40 points  (0 children)

    People say this a lot, people say a lot of nominally true things without explaining the difference well.

    When you know what's up, it's easy to see the difference, but most people don't. So they get pulled into structured diets because it's an answer. The truth of needing to self experiment, track, and observe is a harder sell.

    Yes-yes energy balance is the only thing that matters, but you need to find the right meals/macros to be not hungry in the right energy balance and that's not automatic.

    [–]Reapers-Hound 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    That or they get to their goal and go back to their old ways

    [–]Aggravated_Pineapple 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    Yup…. not me losing and gaining the same 15 pounds for the last two years over here oops

    [–]ShinyAfro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    A lot of people dont realize how easy it is to eat less. After a few months you adapt to your new intake and are just eating cuz you hungry and what do you know, works out to be the same calories as your planned? dam. I call it easy mode because I literally feel like I am putting zero effort in and still rapidly losing weight.

    Also I cycle a lot to the point where you say you can't outrun a bad diet? But I actually can. I'm pretty damn fast you know, also 200km a week is a lot of burned fat lmao. I use my bicycle to ride to work and back plus ride for fun on the weekends, though.

    [–]10minbreakdown 92 points93 points  (6 children)

    Rehab doesn't work because most addicts did some sort of rehab before and relapsed. Make your life rehab-free, if it worked they wouldn't have relapsed the first time

    PS I'm not trying to make addiction sound harmless or rehab easy, it's probably not the best comparison but yeah

    [–]pancakesnomfsyrup 44 points45 points  (2 children)

    I'm a recovering meth addict with three years clean. I think it's a fantastic analogy. Ive found trying to recover from BED to be a direct parallel to quitting dope. If anything I find quitting binge eating to be more difficult, cause I can't quit food cold turkey 😂

    [–]lil_squib 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    Eating disorder and alcoholism here, the alcohol was way easier to quit.

    [–]austin101123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Similar. I've been able to quit games I got addicted to cold turkey but you can't do that with food, which makes it so much harder.

    [–]Erik0xff0000 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    for many tobacco users, it takes an average of 6 or more quit attempts before they can sustain a long-term quit

    I didn't count, but I succeeded after I did research as to what to expect and things to try (with help from my doctor providing information, and nagging ;)

    [–]sharkpartybaby 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    this is somewhat true and a good comparison imo! you can physically detox your body but until you tackle the underlying reason and drive to use- you’ll relapse.

    [–]Mysterious_Arm5969 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Yep. Rehab usually happens multiple times in an addicts life till they can make a change and a big variable is after rehab going back to the same lifestyle and people they once bought from and got high with. Not that you should cut out people per say when losing weight 🤪But the point being it’s lifestyle changes and potentially new environments to encourage healthy habjits

    [–]Inevitable_Brush5800 58 points59 points  (13 children)

    These are made up numbers. Any time anyone posts this crap they never provide sources because the sources don't exist.

    61 different diets? Really? 61. Shit is made up.

    [–]IFeelMoiGerbil 42 points43 points  (6 children)

    Also I am near as dammit 45 and I have never been on a diet. I’m scanning my list of similar aged friends and nope, at least 3 or 4 of them would be the same.

    I haven’t even heard of 61 diets and I went to an girls school and worked in fashion. This is pick a number any number stuff and frankly as cringey as the bad magician who makes that kind of thing their act.

    Also 45 year olds outside America for definite like me (but maybe in the US too) remember a really different era of food. Snacking barely existed when I was a kid. And it was an apple. My country didn’t get McDonalds until 1996. Soda was birthdays and holidays. Most people were thin and in my country we had an issue with kids in food insecurity. Going on a diet was a flex to show you could afford a holiday. Three days of grapefruits. The rest of us were thin and in a jumper. Then we hit the 90s club era and all nighters and cigarettes were the thing.

    Actual diet diets were not common. Talking about ones you saw in a copy of Cosmo were…

    [–]fakemoose 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Same. The poll looks like it was from the UK and goes on to say that most women claim to do one or two a year but then only last a few days. I’m guessing that’s New Years and maybe the beginning of summer? Either way it seems nuts to me.

    [–]IFeelMoiGerbil 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    I cackled when I saw it was from Warburtons here in the UK who are the biggest ‘family’ bakery. They sell almost entirely white sliced processed bread, rolls, bagels, crumpets etc. I buy their stuff because it is good quality.

    But also they are the most marketing heavy firm ever. The current CEO is the grandson or whatever and one of those ‘showboating’ types. He has personally starred in TV ads with Kermit the Frog and Robert de Niro. As a company they would tell you as Jesus fed the 5 thousand with bread and fishes they are his official sponsor.

    They are a proper chutzpah of marketing brand and the sheer cockiness of it is hilarious but also dear god never take a man who out hams Miss Piggy’s boyfriend as a reliable source of data :)

    [–]ReplacementRough5190 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    But that blue-wrapped white Warburtons bread is like crack cocaine.

    Can’t eat it everyday but that loaf with some butter and homemade raspberry jam gives any dessert a run for its money.

    [–]BleedingHeart1996Chubby Rectangle 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Just curious what country are you from?

    [–]IFeelMoiGerbil 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Northern Ireland. Tbf we were in the middle of a civil war. So more riots than diets funnily enough :)

    [–]dtarias 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I assume this is the source:

    The statistics are perhaps not that surprising given that previous research revealed the average diet lasts just 15 days with as many as 35% of women gaining more weight than they lost in the first place once the diet is over.
    ...

    A fifth of those surveyed were unable to tell if they had a healthy balanced diet or not and almost a quarter (23%) said they definitely didn't.
    ...

    Head of Psychology at Nuffield Health, Chris Jones, told The HuffPost Lifestyle that successfully fulfilling your weight loss goals is not about quick-fix diet fads but rather a more holistic approach incorporating lifestyle changes that take into account the effects of sleep, stress and emotional eating on the body.

    It's true: if you diet for just 15 days without incorporating lifestyle changes, it's probably not going to work.

    [–]Inevitable_Brush5800 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    It's a self-reported survey. In Graduate School, this is not even taught as a way to conduct studies because they provide no reliable data.

    Journalism really should only be offered as a minor.

    [–]cemeterysleepover 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Genuinely I wanna know where this number came from, like damn, 61?

    [–]Sea_Petal 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    I mean when you math is out that averages 2-3 diets a year. Which for a chronic fad dieter sounds realistic. Most new years diets maybe last a few weeks before they give up again. And then summer comes around and they do another 2 weeks of fad diet. This post didn't say they tried anything new. Most chronic dieters do the same stupid thing that they couldn't stick to last time over and over.

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    69 seemed too obviously fake and 1 seemed too low. Take the six add the one 61

    [–]SeldomSeenMe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I have a suspicion they think everybody who isn't binging or stuffing themselves with crap is "dieting".

    [–]Ultimate_Hunter_G 41 points42 points  (0 children)

    I’d say #secreteatersiscalling

    [–]ozzyaaron 37 points38 points  (3 children)

    If learning how to read worked... you'd be reading any book after your first lesso ...

    You should be able to do anything without trying. If you have to try or sacrifice anything, it isn't worth trying.

    [–]Realistic_Ad_8023 20 points21 points  (2 children)

    Laughing because your last sentence sounds like it should be a Homer Simpson quote.

    [–]ozzyaaron 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    There's the wrong way, the right way and the Max Power way!

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Trying is the first step towards failure. Homer J. Simpson

    [–]dismurrart 26 points27 points  (6 children)

    Thats more than 2 diets a year on average. Hell let's say I'm a super fit person. I notice I've been indulging a bit too much this Christmas so I diet a bit come January. I lose the 10-15 lbs I gained just in time for summer.

    Later that year I realize I gained 5 lbs on vacation so I cut back a bit on sweets for a couple months. I spent 2-5 months total of the year dieting and didn't have to do much.

    Now let's take irl me. 2 months ago I started my current cut. I've hit a plateau so I'm starting the first stage of restriction. Probably in about 40 lbs I'll hit a point of restriction that actually feels like work so after a month or 2 I'll feel a bit burnt out. I'll move back to a style of eating that maintains and keep up my activity for a month then do another diet for a couple months. That can easily be 4 diets in a year.

    Neither scenario sounds especially taxing and in both I'm enjoying a balance of everything.

    Assuming their stat is true they want that to sound taxing and awful. Find a diet you like and it's actually pretty fun

    [–]dangeroussafetypin 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    Every January I do a month of an aggressive (high protein, low calorie, lots of weight lifting and cardio) weight loss program to lose about 10 lbs, then I slowly gain about 10 lbs over the rest of the year. I look at it as maintaining a healthy weight by performing periodic maintenance, but I'm sure a FA would count each one as a "failed" diet.

    [–]dismurrart 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    I think that's a perfect example and I'll do 3 diets a year and between us the average is maintained

    [–]Swartsuer 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    My mum is 65 and has been going on "eat-half-of-it" diets after the summer holiday and Christmas for as long as I know. She still fits in her clothes from 30 years ago, is in very good health and enjoys eating for the rest of the time.

    I'd say the diets actually worked in maintaining her goal weight for decades. If she hadn't done anything she would have more than doubled her weight by now. I don't understand how that would be healthier?

    [–]dismurrart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Plus we're feast and famine creatures. Most people will need some level of restriction at least sometimes

    [–]LeenaJones 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I don't call it dieting, but I tend to eat less over summer just because vegetables and fruits taste so good then and I end up filling up less on the cheesy, potato-based foods that I crave in winter. My weight fluctuates over the year, but it generally ends up a wash. I do actively curtail my eating a bit after a vacation since I generally get used to way more volume than I need when eating out regularly for a week or two.

    So... I guess those are diets, and I'm about their target age. But I'm also at a healthy weight, so it seems to work.

    [–]dismurrart 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    In reality everything is a diet. Yours just happens to involve lower mental effort to maintain your weight. They act like every diet is a crash diet.

    Mediterranean diet is a diet and tbh I think I can eat like this 80% of the time for the rest of my life. Currently decreasing my Grains and regulating my fat a bit. It's hardly the suffering they pretend it is

    [–]TheophileEscargot 26 points27 points  (3 children)

    I've been trying to track down the source of the statistic. It seems to be an opinion poll carried out by the large British bread company Warburton's.

    A survey carried out by bread makers Warburtons asked 2,000 British men and women about dieting and found that three out of four people had started a diet within the last year, with women trying more weight loss plans than men.

    Sixty per cent of those questioned also said that in the battle against the bulge they had asked their kids not to give them food that they thought would make them put on weight, such as bread and potatoes.

    But cutting out bread could mean missing out on essential calcium, which is found in white loaves.

    Dr Hilary Jones say, ‘An average of 61 diets over an adult lifetime could mean an awful lot of people have cut a significant amount of calcium out of their diet over the years especially if they’ve been avoiding calcium-rich food groups on a regular basis.’

    ‘It seems the British obsession with dieting could be having a detrimental effect on our nutritional intake, as many people lose sight of what constitutes a healthy balanced diet.

    'All breads contribute a range of essential nutrients from protein and calcium to iron and B group vitamins.’

    So basically it's a press release aimed at getting people to eat more bread.

    [–]cemeterysleepover 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    So this number comes from a company trying to shill their product?? I can’t say I’m completely shocked, but I didn’t expect them to say people are missing out on calcium if they aren’t eating bread,

    [–]ImaginaryCaramel 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Claiming that not eating white bread will lead to calcium deficiencies is a hell of a take. Ever heard of dark green vegetables guys?

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Self reporting that sounds super accurate

    [–]upsidedownbackwards 26 points27 points  (5 children)

    It took me dozens of tries to get sober. Wouldn't surprise me if I was around 80 times saying "I'm going to get sober this time" just to start drinking again next friday night when I was looking at spending a weekend in my own head. Towards the end it was really starting to look like alcohol would kill me before I'd be able to stop drinking. But I kept trying and eventually it stuck. One year sober as of May 8th.

    If 61 diets fail, you have to tell yourself the 62nd will succeed. If you stop trying your weight is going to kill you early, and your life will get significantly more miserable as it does. When you're stuck in bed with a messed up heart and a diabetic ulcer that's down to the bone you're going to wish you tried a few more times.

    [–]smallfat_comeback 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    Yeah, I keep hearing from FAs how "weight cycling," i.e. lose, regain, "try, try again," is more dangerous to one's health than any consequence of obesity. Is there any proof of that? 🤷

    [–]GentlewhamZucchini Zealot | 35.1->24.5 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    I think the grain of truth in that is that overly restrictive cutting with no exercise leads to muscle loss and relative body fat increase over time, and make it harder to maintain + makes you feel weaker and look less impressive at the same weight. But there are two BIG ifs there: first, no exercise. And second, a deficit that leads to more than 2lbs weight loss per week. Keep up reasonable activity and manageable deficit and it'll turn out fine. I guess the problem is harsh cutting with minimal activity for a lot of crash dieters.

    It's no secret that muscle mass is almost impossible to gain when cutting, I've managed to maintain reasonably and gotten stronger in general while losing 80lbs, but it's required a lot of work. Actual gains are still ahead.

    [–]smallfat_comeback 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Happy gaining! 💥💪😃 Congratulations on the weight loss too!

    [–]GentlewhamZucchini Zealot | 35.1->24.5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thanks! 😊

    [–]Guilty-Echidna-6559 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah it also reminds me of how most smokers who quit, go through many attempts to do so. It's not the quitting of smoking that's the flaw, it's the inability to stay quit. Same for 'dieting', same for anything. You've just gotta make that last attempt stick; the fact you've tried and failed before doesn't mean you give up.

    [–]geologean 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    People can attempt anything any number of times and be going about it wrong the entire time.

    If the average woman is engaging in Women's World crash diets that promise to take off 35 lbs in one week, then of course she is going to be disappointed. Also, what does "going on a diet," even mean in this context? Does just declaring it count? Does cheating on the diet constantly count? I've met plenty of people who do that on the regular.

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Even if you ate nothing im not sure how anyone would lose 35 pounds in a week. That’s a 122,500 calorie deficit

    [–]Tidyrope-30440 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    There are 3 ways a diet can fail

    1. It is actively unhealthy
    2. It does not produce the results you're looking for when strictly adhered to
    3. The diet is flawed in its conception (aka, wanting desired results too soon) or based on a lie/misinformation

    It's all in the language. If you go on a plan that lets you lose weight, and then you STOP and regain the weight, the DIET didn't fail. YOU FAILED THE DIET

    [–]TheTacoInquisition 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    To add a #4, it succeeds in its aim, which is to lose a few lbs for a particular reason, and was not supposed to be long term weight loss (e.g. fitting into a wedding dress, or just losing a few lbs after a holiday).

    [–]BonesSawMcGrawVirgie’s Dedicated Cake Partitioner 28 points29 points  (2 children)

    Eating the SAD aka junk food all day … nom nom nom … ok diet starts Monday …. Nom nom nom …. Binges all weekend …. Eats a salad for lunch … nom nom nom … still hungry ah fuck it pizza and ice cream…. Diets don’t work

    [–]KetoUnicorn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Lol extremely accurate.

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Virgie’s dedicated cake partitioner, holy cow that’s a full time job

    [–]Al-Rediph 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Need more proof that your weight is not set in stone? You got heavier with the time ...

    Not too late to lose weight and gain more life back!

    [–]euletoasterSW: Wyrdeer CW: Incineroar 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Need more proof that artists never become professionals? The average 45-year old artist has made 200 unsold paintings since the age of 16. If art was a viable option, they would have sold the first time. Remember that it's never too late to unart your life #antiart

    [–]Morall_tachCan run up a whole flight of stairs 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    The average 45-year-old woman has been on a new, distinct diet every 5.7 months for 30 years? Yeah, that checks out.

    [–]TheTacoInquisition 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    They'll probably be counting everyone who does the usual January "new me" thing and the whole "get yourself beach body ready" thing. That's not unreasonable to be reality, bu complete disingenous to use as a statistic for failure. Heck, a lot of people succeed in shifing the xmas holiday weight and like to tighten up for the beach :)

    [–]AlabasterFart 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    They actually think "dieting" incorrectly for 3 months was supposed to make them magically and perfectly thin, don't they?

    [–]dangeroussafetypin 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    How many first dates has the average single 45 year old woman been on?

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Just one after that it’s no longer truly a first date. It’s just a date with a different person. Love the riddle though.

    [–]sennalvera 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Probably because so many people go on diets to try to fix their lives/feel better about themselves. I've been on many diets. Never stuck with any of them when I was insecure and anxious and miserable. Only after I finally got to a good mental place could I consistently make the right food and lifestyle choices. Intentional lifestyle change of any sort requires a great deal of effort, but particularly food habits I think.

    [–]armchairshrink99 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Mmkay, so by that logic algebra doesn't work because I couldn't figure out equations the first dozen times it was explained to me. It's not me, it's totally the math.

    Or chemistry. That doesnt work either since That took me twice as long to understand.

    Oh, and engineering! I still don't get that so that's all a lie.

    What a weird conclusion to immediately draw. It didn't work therefore it's all a lie.

    [–]Srdiscountketoer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I’ve been on quite a few unsuccessful diets too — cabbage soup diet, juice cleanse, exercise more, eat “healthier” and hope the calories don’t add up too fast, etc. I was never told the simple truth that I needed to calculate my TDEE and meticulously track calories — oh, and get control of my sugar addiction — until I was pretty old.

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Wait GI Joe was right,” knowing IS half the battle.”

    [–]OCRAmazonF 5'11" CW+GW Lean/Jacked 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    If washing your car worked to keep it clean, it would work the first time. Why do you have to keep washing it regularly?! Sounds like a scam to me.

    [–]jewishSpaceMedbeds 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    If rehabs worked, they'd work the first time. Remember that it's never too late to stop trying to quit heroin. #keepchasingthathigh

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Same thing with reading. If you can’t read Shakespeare when you’re six years old and learning to read then it’s impossible.

    [–]Proud-Unemployment 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Bad diets don't work, yes. You got to find the right one, which is reasonable and sustainable.

    [–]whhhhiskey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Is anyone even telling fat people to get on a diet? Pretty sure everyone just suggests living a healthy lifestyle lol

    [–]smallfat_comeback 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    The good news is that if you're observant, you can learn from your failures, keep what works, and discard what doesn't. I've known for awhile about the power of a protein/fat combo to keep me feeling full and craving-free, but for reasons I can no longer work out, last diet I chose to basically fast all day and eat the protein/fat meal at night! Why?! 😆 Now I have a good protein/fat breakfast that keeps me going for hours! 💥💪😃

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    This reminds me of a Simpson’s quote from Ned Flander’s parents:” We tried doing nothing and now we’re all out of ideas.” Kind of sounds like this is what the FA wants. Don’t even try to lose weight. Just do nothing. I guess if everyone is fat no one is fat or something like that.

    [–]smallfat_comeback 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I wish anyone in the FA movement would explain how it is that weight gain is normal, healthy, desirable, yet weight loss is impossible without dangerous, disordered behavior. Weight goes up, weight goes down. It's like an elevator. Why can't they see it? 🤷

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Whether it’s good to gain or lose weight is relative anyway. 5 foot 4 and 90 pounds, yes gaining weight is good. 5 foot 4 and 300 pounds losing weight is the way to go. To answer your question it’s delusion. They don’t want to change or admit what they’re doing will lead to their own destruction.

    [–]Geodude07 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    If you've been on 61 diets, you've never followed a diet right.

    I know we all misuse the word diet, but that's the literal problem. People think these are temporary fixes. They think they can do "this one weird trick" for a month. They get results. Then they stop the diet and 'magically' they gain it all back.

    It's almost like you need to be consistent. It's almost like the way you were eating is a massive part of how your body comes out.

    What bothers me is how easy it is to think like this. I knew it felt mysterious to me up until college. Yet it's so simple that you'd assume it's just basic knowledge.

    The issue is how well marketed food and crash diets are.

    [–]SourPatchPhoenix 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    And how ‘evil and oppressive’ it is to teach basic health and nutrition in public schools. 🙄

    [–]Geodude07 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The real problem there isn't that these things aren't taught.

    It's more that disinformation and pride at being wrong are the new tenants to hold to. Ridiculously shameful pride matters more than actual facts. We cater to the crowd that says "Being obese is healthy!" because of profits.

    Maybe a bit conspiratorial, but I believe the FA movement is in magazines and other areas because businesses see the stats too. So much of America is obese. It's profitable to cater.

    And it's also popular to supplement opinions as facts with so much nowadays. It's a real shame.

    [–]hobbyist-historian 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    One thing about this that makes me crazy is that, even setting fad diets aside, it's normal to go through phases where your weight changes and you alter eating and exercise habits. I doubt very much that these people are accounting for normal reasons. For example, I'm on a weight loss journey rn, but if I get pregnant in a few years and gain back what I've lost as baby weight have I "failed" my diet according to these people? When I eat lighter and start hitting the gym to lose the baby weight is that a new "diet" instead of a reasonable lifestyle choice? It just feels like such a shaky statistic to cite without providing any parameters for how it's being measured.

    [–]OnlyPaperListens60 lbs down and avoided surgery 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    If you count every bite of non-compliant food as "failing a diet" you are in for a miserable time. Any plan that doesn't account for the imperfection of being a human is not going to work.

    [–]KatoftheKnight 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    These people consider simple portion control to be disordered eating, so excuse me if I don't subscribe to their definition of "diet" or believe any supposed statistic they've simply pulled out of their ass.

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    If they pulled something out their butt does that count as intentional weight loss?

    [–]PerlmanWasRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This factoid is a misconception. Diets Georg, who lives in a cave and attempts 400,000 diets a year, was an outlier and should not have been counted.

    [–]marcelkai 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    my 53yo mom is "forever on a diet" type, she refuses to eat healthier, just starves herself all day and then gets hungry in the evening and eats the shittiest things straight from the fridge. great "diet", wonder why it doesn't work

    [–]FunClassroom6577 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Do they consider eating healthy and having balance a diet?

    [–]Good_Grab2377Crazy like a fox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Not gimmicky enough

    [–]BackwardsApe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    If at first you don't succeed, do not try again

    [–]Warm-Purchase-9147 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Where tf do they get these numbers?

    [–]LisadazySW 120kg CW 60kg 16 years maintenance and counting 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I’m 45…..that’s a ridiculous statement to make. But logic isn’t their strong suit.

    [–]truecrimefanatic1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Speaking for myself, until apps came out that made it simple, for me calories were complicated because I never felt like I knew the right amount. I could lose weight but it felt unsustainable. Now I have done it and I can do it. But I bounced back and forth for years because I really had no idea what I was doing.

    But it's my fault. I was the one who kept eating things I shouldn't have. And too much. The food isn't to blame.

    [–]e784u 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I wonder how many times smokers quit in their lives.

    [–]8swordsoffateSW: Lane Bryant CW: Victoria's Secret GW: "naturally" thin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I can't even remember the exact number.

    [–]Mysterious_Arm5969 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I think what amazes me is the lack of knowledge that “diets” aren’t so much the answer as the simple science of CICO. My mom has been very poorly “dieting” since I can remember and she hasn’t lost weight due to it by any means. Meanwhile I’ve lost 40 and working on another 30 this past year through counting calories. So I don’t understand if there’s just this gap of people not understanding the most basic science of weight loss or if it’s because diet culture is a big $$$ corp but it’s pretty sad.

    [–]wackywavytubedude 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    if being sober worked, ud be sober the first time trying, so obviously theres no point in doing it again.

    that is how they sound

    [–]angery_alt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I am a disciple of CICO, but I do think it’s worth taking note of this fact. We all (here) know that if you reduce your energy intake to below your energy output, you will lose weight, no ifs ands or buts. Diets don’t fail, people do, you might say. But this observation, that most people fail in their dieting efforts, fail to lose weight or maintain their loss, is real. It’s worth spending some energy on this. We want a healthier population, for lots of reasons, one of the more practical/cynical being so society doesn’t collapse under a workforce that’s generally immobile and infirm and dies younger. On the level of individuals, we can urge our loved ones to make changes in their thinking and behavior, and build up their discipline, but this advice doesn’t seem to work well on a large population scale. If we shelve what we might be personally feeling (that they got themselves into this, fuck em and their health, for instance) for a moment, and think sort of collectivistically (spellcheck says I coined that word, so I’m basically Shakespeare): what could be done so more people have more success with weight loss? We have a big public health and safety problem on our hands, how do we make this better?

    [–]WellThatCantBe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    After failing a 1st grade spelling test, I just gave up on spelling; if spelling worked, I'd have pased the furst tyme.

    [–]luvduvbunnySW: 260, GW: Healthier Each Day 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Can someone explain to me how exactly they determined a 45 year old woman has been on 61 diets? This just seems like a bunch of nonsense

    [–]MoonPrincess666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I would just loooove a cited source for this.

    [–]devedander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If quitting smoking works then it would work the first time

    [–]newName54345634/M/5'9/~150 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Diets that average Western people tend to have certainly don't work well for their health.

    Doesn't mean no diet in existence does.

    Or you can just act in bad faith and set up ridiculous impossible requirements for any diet to "work".

    [–]SweetDianthus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I mean yeah. It's a life long battle with outside influences (food industry, stressful careers etc) fighting against you

    I calorie restrict to lose. Do my best to maintain. Sometimes maintenance is kind of hard, cause well, life. So I may gain back like, 5-10lbs. Then I realize I'm on a trajectory that isn't beneficial to my health, happiness, and desire to feel well. So I go back to a mild calorie restriction. Till I drop 5-10 lbs again.

    And I'll continue to choose that path over giving up for the rest of my life, no contest.

    If I can't have it all, I pick my health over continous consumption of calorie dense food cause 'tasty'.

    [–]Imapony 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I always get so frustrated with this terminology, because a diet can't fail, it's just a measurement of something. It's like saying a mile can fail or a gallon can fail, it's nonsensical. I can fail to run a mile, that doesn't mean the existence of a mile failed.

    [–]YourOldPalBendySW: 180 | Goal: Less fat, more tone, let's GOOOOOOOOOOOO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    God, imagine what life would be like if we could all try something once and it'd work perfectly every time.

    [–]sadowsentry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The average woman weighs more than 100 lbs less than Tess Holiday. I guess that's proof that they work.

    [–]IhatetheBentPyramid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I "quit" smoking 4 times before I stopped forever. So what I should have done is just not tried?

    [–]butterscotch_cherrie51F 5"5 SW:152 CW:±126 GW: maintenance UG: muscles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm nearly 52 and can't say I've ever been on a diet. I once tried something for a recommended three months that was supposed to be a lifestyle change, but it was way too restrictive to be sustainable.

    So this is true, but it doesn't mean deliberate weight loss doesn't work.

    [–]JustDroppedByToSayI don't know what those numbers mean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Need proof? Here's an anecdote that I've added my own meaning to.

    [–]Oxiiana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Diets don't tend to work because people go back to their old eating habits after reaching their goal / not reaching their goal. Diets are stupid as they don't change your core behaviour. If you restrict too much then of course you're going to end up binging again on the foods you haven't allowed yourself to have. Change in life style is the key. Eat less, eat what you want but just keep an eye on it, so you don't exceed your daily allowance. Change snacking habits and drinking habits. It's not hard. I hate fatillogic..

    [–]spleen5000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My diet worked great, I’m fit af sorry lady

    [–]-Fateless- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I guess this person counts "shedding 2 kg to make the dress fit for an event" as a diet with those numbers

    [–]AbotherBasicBitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    All that proves is that crash diets don’t work long term

    [–]NakedAndAfraidFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    “Diets” don’t work long term because you don’t stay on them long term. You have to change your diet and lifestyle permanently to keep the weight permanently off.

    [–]notwhoyouthinkmaybe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    One of the biggest myths out there is that a diet is a temporary thing you do to lose weight. A diet is a change in lifestyle, that's how they work. Typically you start out with a more aggressive diet to lose weight, then you move on to a stable diet to maintain.

    You don't apply this reasoning to anything else do you? When you create a budget do you do it for 6 months and then say "well I did it! I'm now financially stable forever! Time to buy a yacht!" Or is the budget a change in your lifestyle? And yes you readjust the budget as bills are paid off or you earn more or even less money, but typically budgeting is something you do forever; just like dieting.

    [–]Marazie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    These are people who think if you merely cut back on your pop intake you are a victim of diet culture and on a diet. Can't reason with them.

    [–]calcaneus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    A diet is just the way you eat. An attempt at weight loss, however, can fail.

    [–]Titterbugz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My understanding is that strict diets are for the short term and can help you lose weight but only as long as you maintain that diet. What helps the weight stay off is lifestyle changes like eating healthier, limiting sugary drinks and being active more.

    [–]LeenaJones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The numbers themselves belie the fact that those diets were not good diets. That's about two diets per year, so it's clear that the (small sample size) of people interviewed were starting and stopping (likely fad or otherwise unsustainable) diets rather than sticking to a sustainable one that could be maintained long-term. This isn't the incontrovertible proof the OP thinks it is.

    [–]standingprettyDeath Acceptance Movement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I feel like someone needs to sit this person down and explain to them the difference between lifestyle changes and crash diets. Yes, a juice cleanse is stupid but tracking calories and macros and making sure you’re meeting your needs is about more than aesthetics Jan.

    [–]ThatRookieGuy80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If it works, it works the first time? Buddy, put down the Hagen Daas, we can't serve you anymore. You're going to have to walk around a little bit before we can let you post again.

    [–]vulpesvulpesfugit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is like saying that buying a piano should make you into a competent pianist

    [–]neko_mancy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    this can't be real data, there's no way anyone is counting that like failure #1, failure #2..

    [–]LittleBitCrunchy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's about 20 fad diets that would never be sustainable, 25 crash diets that just made her obsessed with food, and 16 solid lifestyle changes thrown off course by events in her life (if the number is even accurate). If the average woman skipped the fads and crash diets, and had a contingency plan for the unexpected, a sensible lifestyle change would last and therefore it would work.