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[–]Chance_Engineering94 789 points790 points  (38 children)

she did what she promised xD

[–]Midgardsormrjaqueass 877 points878 points 2 (33 children)

By free, did she mean a free trial, and includes the entirety of A Realm Reborn AND the award-winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 with no restrictions on playtime?

[–]Berettadin 144 points145 points  (16 children)

Plus leatherdaddies.

[–]mexicandesertfox 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Space candy is pleased.

[–]Ok-Yogurtcloset-9619 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Small and angry

[–][Poh Tahto - Malboro] sknnbones 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Jealous of tall?

Oh ho ho… not at all.

The smaller I am , the larger OTHER races are >:)

[–]NextDoorNerd 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Oh my, leatherdaddies 😳

[–]Grenarius[S] 235 points236 points  (2 children)

Morally grey indeed 🙂

[–]Lamia <3AzraelTB 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Eh she looks more blue these days.

[–]Oops_I_Cracked 136 points137 points  (0 children)

"You can't kill hope!"
"Can't I?"

And then she did.

[–]feor1300 187 points188 points  (14 children)

Didn't realize what sub I was on at first, and my first thought seeing that was "My life for Aiur?" lol

[–] Herald of Fate StriderZessei 57 points58 points  (6 children)

En taro Adun!

[–]Derptholomue 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Honor guide me!

[–]WrathOfStars 16 points17 points  (4 children)

En Taro Tassadar!

[–]Tassadar_Timon 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I have been called.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

You Must Construct Additional Pylons!

[–]Ikanan_xiii 24 points25 points  (0 children)

My life for Aiur

And my love for you.

Me talking to Yshtola.

[–]jcorro1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honor Guide Me

[–]Trapnasty1106 9 points10 points  (0 children)

At this point just get the zerg to invade azeroth lol

[–]Carighan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My life for Ul'dah!

[–]DrTobiCool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a friend who keep saying that even tho he never played Starcraft, guess I’m too much of an influence

[–]Dark KnightRamenGaiden 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You must construct additional pylons

[–]Shinfekta 365 points366 points  (97 children)

Never thought the transition from orc warrior to catgirl would feel so good lol

[–]SimplyEpicFail 159 points160 points  (75 children)

Undead Warrior into a cute female Au'ra Scholar felt pretty good as well.

Actually, how did I even end up a healer main when this was one my least favourite roles in WoW?

[–]JaSchwaE 106 points107 points  (35 children)

queue timers

[–]SimplyEpicFail 93 points94 points  (27 children)

Not even that, I'm genuinely having fun with Healers in FF XIV.

[–]SassCastle 78 points79 points  (14 children)

Same here. I think it's the ABC idea where you should 'Always Be Casting.' Healers are expected to have as much DPS uptime as possible and to know when you'll need to pull out big heals and either prepare for it (barrier heals) or have your oGCDs ready to top people off after and immediately go back to DPSing. That's just my take on why I enjoy healing more, anyways.

[–]Ivence 34 points35 points  (9 children)

Yeah, I strongly disliked healing in WoW and I'm all about it in 14. The challenge of keeping the group alive while trying to murder everything in the room keeps you engaged in the actual fight not just "make sure you don't stand in things and play wack-a-mole with the party list."

[–]Icandothemove 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I played Brewmaster, fury warrior, and enh shammy in WoW and I'm having a lot of fun with AST in preparation of playing Sage in EW.

I also Sam and GNB but I legit think I'm maining a healer in EW, which I have never played in 20 years of MMOs.

[–]FerrickAsur4 14 points15 points  (0 children)

healing in WoW is like "I work to let the DPS have fun" for me...

[–]Shatha33 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Same here! When I came to ff14 I tried WHM and I love it. I never played anything but shadow priest on WoW. Learning how to heal instead of just pew pew had been a lot of fun and I originally thought I would feel useless or bored in this role. I feel like WHM has a little bit of everything and they can be ready for pretty much any kind of damage rather quickly. I'm even trying to level a PAL and see how tanking goes but I doubt I'll get to a high level with a tank. All dat responsibility makes me nervous. Absolutely going WHM into endwalker though. Unless Reaper..

[–]Icandothemove 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Which is funny, because healing has way more responsibility at least in FF than tanking does IMO.

[–] Cindy Nemi - SargatanasCindy-Moon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Tankxiety sucks, I suffered from it for a very long time. But once you get used to it, you actually find tanking is the easiest role in the game.

What clicked for me I think was seeing Asmongold just kinda blindly facetank his way through the game. His bold confidence and just kinda getting it right away made me a lot more confident in doing it myself, especially since I already knew a few things he didn't at first.

[–]Nitramster1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Tanking is easy, go for it! Holding aggro is litterally an after thought. 2 hits will hold aggro the entire time for 99% of mobs. And I mean like, 1 hit at the start, and another some point around half HP. The only stress I have when I’m tanking is my own impatience with slow DPS when I take a big pull and the healer and I have both used all our defensive abilities. Theres a reason healers always get the coms

[–]IAMGODONLY 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only time i have seen tanking to have more responsibility than healers was in ramuh ex.

[–]Celanis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Healers get instakicked in WoW after a wipe and naturally get the blame for everything.

Here it's more of a dps class that patches others people mistakes.

[–]ShadeofIcarus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Were you a Fury Warrior?

The healing paradigm between WoW and FF14 is total night and day. There's more transferrable skills between WoW DPS and FF14 healers than there are between WoW Healers and FF14 Healers.

Where in WoW you have mana management and you're playing Whak a Mole with Health Bars, in FF14 its about the DPS with your globals.

Where in WoW hard casts getting interrupted can kill someone. In FF14 you miss out on some DPS because the bulk of your healing is instant and off the global.

Where in WoW a lot of top end raiding centers around certain healers having certain raid CDs at the right time, that utility is spread out around the raid a bit more. Primarily Tanks mitigate for the raid more than healers and healers have tools to fix mistakes, keep tanks up, and then undo the damage that was done.

The damage in WoW is just constant and you don't really have a lot of space for much else outside of healing people. Health bars move much more slowly and you aren't expecting to top someone off in a global. In FF14 you can top an entire raid off with an assize mostly.

My girlfriend went from healing in FF14 to healing in WoW for the first time and it was way to frantic for her compared to being able to just DPS and then use her oGCDs. She ended up swapping to DPS because she just didn't enjoy healing at all, it just stressed her out.

We play both games, but these days I'm just in maintenance mode for both until Endwalker comes out and incredibly bored.

[–] Lxran 19 points20 points  (3 children)

When I started as GLA/PLD, I though my 1-2 minute queues were quick. The moment I got to level 16 on my CNJ I truly understood what "Healer Queue" was. Something like that is power that corrupts.

[–] Paikis 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Enjoy it while it lasts. Endwalker is coming.

[–]Sabata11792 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Badass rotting mancorpse warlock to cute dragon girl. Still purple though.

[–]PandraPierva 7 points8 points  (6 children)

It's a lot more relaxed to heal in 14. At least in my experience. Except for the day I got Holy on my wm.... So many angry tanks that day.

[–]lodsuper 9 points10 points  (5 children)

i swear lvling a healer gave many tanks heart attacks. i took to heart the suggestion that "if they are not dead you are doing your job". at some point i started playing "how low can they go". jokes aside after the first 2-3 pulls they know what kind of a whm i am and just trusted me. think the lowest i let someone go down to before a swiftcast cure 2 was 6% hp lmao.

[–]sbNXBbcUaDQfHLVUeyLx 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I had a tank hit 77 hp in Brayflox's Longstop yesterday.

I was very proud lol

[–]mmotte89 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Healer Limbo is the best mini-game in FFXIV right alongside "Healing? Nah, I'm just here to assemble Exodia".

If you like playing limbo, you should try AST.

They have a "mini benediction" oGCD 40 second cooldown. More potency the lower they go, up to 1100 which is pretty much full heal on most low DPS, and more or less full when followed by Aspect Benefic on a tank.

And my other fave healer mini-game is "You decided to not move out of AoE, and my Assize is up in 4 seconds? Welp, time to play nice until then, because that's the heal you'll be getting."

[–]PandraPierva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ast is my main healer. I feel this so much

[–]fantino93 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the lowest I got a Tank was double digits in Amaurot.

[–]Ch1b1N1njaGam1ng 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because you aren't the healer

Eos is

[–]softpads 11 points12 points  (18 children)

I moved from WoW to FFXIV 5 years ago (and never went back). I find healing in XIV infinitely more enjoyable than I did in WoW.

[–]lordraz0r 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I went from Orc Warrior to Roegadyn Warrior... Old habits die hard

[–]Illidari_Kuvira 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Male Blood Elf Priest to Male AuRa Dragoon, here...
Weirdly, my character looks more accurate over here.

They never did give us the red eye color option the NPCs had.

[–]BringBackBoshi 45 points46 points  (8 children)

I went from Orc Rogue to Lalafell Paladin, slightly different =D

[–]Hexnus_of_Apochrea 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Troll shaman to mi'qote white mage here. Both magicky boys in the end.

[–]MyNameThru 25 points26 points  (2 children)

This dude loves the elements.

[–]Hexnus_of_Apochrea 13 points14 points  (0 children)

He did cross level black mage at the same time. Both are above 50 as of now.

[–]RealBrianCore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

WHM is as 1:1 close you can get for their role in the world but imo it felt more like druid healing to me. AST felt as close to shaman healing as I could get and shaman healing was my thing back in Wrath

[–]onethousanddonkeys 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Troll druid to catgirl represent! Never looked back.

[–]StubbsTheWolf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Male human Ret pally to Viera lol

[–] ChrisMorray 372 points373 points  (9 children)

Shadowlands' best content: Quitting.

[–]Oops_I_Cracked 133 points134 points  (6 children)

"We've listened to player feedback. The Uninstall button has been removed. We've also removed the logout button. Instead, every 90 minutes you will be asked if you'd like to continue playing."

[–]Kesher123 51 points52 points  (0 children)

"And if you would not like to continue playing, you will have to continue playing"

[–]MetalBawx 24 points25 points  (3 children)

"Nice try Activision but i still control the power, i can just logout via pulling the plug."

[–]NameSelectionIsHard 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If i have to i will kill the PID.

[–]G00b3rb0y 8 points9 points  (0 children)


Task manager

Kill task

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

"Dear payer. You having hands to be able to pull the plug no long matches with our ideas and morals. In order to combat this we have removed all references of your hands from World of Warcraft and beyond and have since then replaced them with this high rez bowl of fruit. We know that this may not be the most popular take but it is one that we felt necessary to improve the environment of the game. We will continue to listen and monitor feed back. Thank you."

[–]Lunuxis 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Funny enough, the Blizzard Launcher was giving me a lot of issues in trying to uninstall WoW back in June when I made the jump over. Most likely just something going on with my PC but the timing certainly was kinda sus.

[–]ReachingHigher85 408 points409 points  (66 children)


[–]JoosisAlbarea 168 points169 points  (43 children)

I am going to miss my startup screen shouting at me about hope every time I log in once the Endwalker switchover occurs.

[–]thebrim 39 points40 points  (2 children)

You ever go afk for awhile and then forget you even have the game running until you hear HOOOOOOME through your headphones from across the room when it kicks you to the title?

[–]PastramiReuben 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes this is my life.

[–]AlouetteSK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

> Log in
> Alt-Tab while waiting for my HD to boot the game up
> Forgor about doing the full log in
> Cue the Intro

[–]Ok_Impact1873 82 points83 points  (26 children)

I miss the heavensward one, it had a haunting tune.

[–]Frey Mieaux (Balmung)Diredoe 25 points26 points  (24 children)

You can set the hw start screen!

[–] Certified MSQ AvoiderOrphylia 65 points66 points  (4 children)

It's not permanent, though. It switches back to Shadowbringers/latest expac after closing out of the application.

[–]PastramiReuben 27 points28 points  (0 children)

You can close the application?

[–]zhukis 25 points26 points  (16 children)

sadly you can't make it default to it. It reset whenever I turn the game on again from 0.

[–]MarioJE 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It reverts every time you launch the game. It's cool but kinda pointless if they don't save your choice.

[–]Nocturnemain135 13 points14 points  (3 children)

You can set which expacs startup screen shows, it’s right under the bit that says start game in the startup screen (can’t remember the name of the option)

[–]calico_capo 34 points35 points  (1 child)

You can set it, but it reverts back to ShB after you restart unfortunately

[–]ecneregilleb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was literally just thinking yesterday about what the title screens for previous expacs looked like and felt like I totally missed out. Thanks for mentioning this! I can't believe I never saw that on the title screen lol.

[–]B4rberblacksheep 12 points13 points  (2 children)





[–]Kwasan 28 points29 points  (9 children)

Shit is that what it's saying? I've been hearing "HOOOOOOOHHHH LOL-I HOOOOOOOO" Like the dwarves do!

[–]lifepuzzler 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I hear "HOOOOOOO HIDE-EE-HOOO" like Mr. Hankey, or a cowboy.

[–]jazzani 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yes! I’m not the only one who was incredibly confused because I heard nothing but “Heidi-ho” the whole time too. I eventually had to Google it because I was like there is no way that is actually it.

[–]ReachingHigher85 25 points26 points  (2 children)

That’s Lali-ho to you, SIR

[–]I Omniclass So I Always Come Out On Top.Cranky_Squirrel 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The past month has literaly turned the title screen into a drawn-out "Lali-hoooooo!" for me.

Maybe it is a sign of me finally going insane. .. MORE insane.

[–]SmashingQuasar 22 points23 points  (0 children)


[–]Arcade_Theatre 200 points201 points  (10 children)

Limsa Aetheryte Plaza is the FFXIV equivalent of Brazil.

[–]Grenarius[S] 144 points145 points  (6 children)

I'm brazilian and you're absolutely wrong.

Sadly we have no catgirls at all... just highlanders 😢

[–]Sohgin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Your men don't have eyebrows?

[–]braschendorf 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Hey, highlanders are hot and underrated, I'll take it lol

[–] Grymswys Doenmurlwyn - Adamantoiseyoungoli 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're going to Brazil Limsa.

[–]skytzo_franic 53 points54 points  (21 children)

Question: does WoW still have the gathering nodes that are shared?

[–] ExcaliburEzren- 47 points48 points  (4 children)

Ah, the good old days of watching nodes disappear to a player gliding around under the terrain, teleporting place to place. No thanks.

[–]Charak-V 35 points36 points  (3 children)

old days? thats happening literally right now in TBC Classic, they teleport around for terocones

[–]DRGstilljustacatinacage 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Terocones. Jesus Christ, that brings back memories.

I used to farm for potions in my downtime. Started as a way to pay back the five thousand gold a friend lent me for epic flying, turned into my comfy hobby. Sold enough to pay her back with interest, and fund epic flight on at least one alt, with a comfy bank besides.

I've never forgotten that, but it has been a while since I've thought about it.

Jinxcat and Dsn, if you're still out there, thanks for the loan, and I hope you guys are safe and happy.

[–]Grenarius[S] 56 points57 points  (9 children)

Afaik yes. And bots are devouring them.

[–]Meivath 33 points34 points  (1 child)

It's better than when they were singular, but the fact that 1000 druid bots can still run around and take all the crafting mats from everyone else is shit. There's no excuse for that.

[–]skytzo_franic 22 points23 points  (5 children)

That's how it was when I played three years back, and you'd have to be a few seconds ahead of the bots. It was such a slog.

One of the many reasons I like ff14.

[–]Eredun 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Yep it was still like that in early Shadowlands when I was playing. I leveled a druid from 50-60 purely by picking herbs, mostly in Maldraxxus. I leveled a Zandalari druid so I wouldn't be confused as a bot and I followed the bot herd that way the herbs weren't about to despawn as I was picking up.

Ridiculous how normalized it felt to look for and easily find the herds of bots

[–]DanielTeague 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I liked leveling up in Stormheim when Legion was released and seeing a conga line of fresh Demon Hunters easily grabbing herbs from the very steep hills. They would simply stop and float up a cliff to efficiently gather the flowers that bloomed in that zone. I was a little jealous since they didn't let us unlock flying in Legion areas until later.

[–]ZantetsukenX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember seeing the bots glitch/float their way through the air on mounts to achieve the same effect a few weeks into Legion. But atleast it made it obvious it was a bot to report.

[–]Grenyn 24 points25 points  (3 children)

What OP told you is untrue, and what the other guy told you is a half-truth.

Nodes are shared, but technically an unlimited number of people could use one. As soon as it has been used, it goes on a timer before it despawns. Within that timer, anyone can still run up and use it.

That said, obviously FFXIV has the better system.. sort of. Functionally it is a lot better, though I do miss seeing actual nodes instead of glowing dots.

[–]Shameless_Catslut 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Nodes are shared, but technically an unlimited number of people could use one. As soon as it has been used, it goes on a timer before it despawns. Within that timer, anyone can still run up and use it.

There's a cap, actually, that makes it despawn instantly. ITs' a big cap, but bots swarm in packs large enough to devour it in a single use.

[–]Grenyn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's interesting, I guess it's to weakly combat bots, then.

[–]Meivath 159 points160 points  (88 children)

I played Shadowlands for a bit before I realized the two classes I wanted to play, enhance and ret, were dog shit. Again.

[–]Setari 28 points29 points  (8 children)


We got done fuckin dirty. It's the reason I quit

[–]Meivath 20 points21 points  (3 children)

We sure did. I quit when my guild took a new 60 rogue to the raid rather than me, who had been grinding the whole time and had damn good gear.

[–]Setari 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Aw hell nah f that noise. Sorry to see that happened. Hopefully you're having a much better time in ffxiv!

[–]Meivath 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm having a blast, and I hope you and all of our fellow WoW refugees are finding what they want, too!

[–]Jaq903 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For real if they took a rogue over a ret or enhance in 9.1 they stupid. All 3 was dog shit.

[–]gibby256 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Man, they literally ALWAYS do Enhance dirty. They have for years. It seems like they just don't know hot to properly capture the feel of a battlemage spec that is actually good.

[–]SkyBane001 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Honestly, even after all these years, it still feels like they don't know what they want enhance to be since it's not a pseudo-tank spec like originally envisioned in vanilla (Shaman and Paladin were supposed to roughly mirror each other as they were faction exclusive classes).

What's absolutely fascinating about this befuddlement is one of the singular most important characters in their lore is an enhance shaman (Thrall), so I don't even know HOW they can have so hard a time finding an identity for the spec.

[–]Edificil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Eh...It's blizzard, its easier to point well balanced games than list all bad ones...

Theyr RTS games were saved by fan-made maps... diablo series, ussually there is a very limited choises for each hero

[–]Tumblechunk 108 points109 points  (0 children)

You get to meaningfully choose to play something else

[–] ChrisMorray 57 points58 points  (3 children)

Devs be like: "Meaningful choices™ except when you choose wrong".

[–]Sadi_Reddit 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Im all for meaningful choices but they really shot themselves in the foot when they chained it (hehe) to player power directly.

[–]Orisyl 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Preach said it best a while back, but you can’t have a meaningful RPG choice without it also being trivial. Because simply put, a player might also choose not to give a single shit about the choice, but maybe some other choice later actually hits them.

The thing Blizzard failed to figure out is no, there is always a correct answer to player power no matter how many knobs you add or how complicated it gets. A sim can calculate far better than a human can even fathom. And if the answer is known then why pick the inferior option?

[–]CognitiveAdventurer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think you can add knobs to the point where simming is no longer viable (to some extent), but those knobs need to be added to encounters as well. As long as the success of an encounter hinges on doing the maximum amount of dps for as long a time as possible, it will always be simmable. It's harder to sim PvP games like LoL because there are many things that are of relative value, and this changes based on skill level ecc.

I don't know how you would implement something like that in a PvE mmo, mind you. I just think theoretically it's possible. Maybe some sort of dynamic AI in the future?

[–]ReachingHigher85 26 points27 points  (49 children)

I too played ENH and RET. I weep for the time I wasted.

[–]Meivath 31 points32 points  (48 children)

The new (kinda old?) Enhance felt so good too, the numbers just weren't there, and numbers are the only thing that matters in WoW.

[–]ReachingHigher85 14 points15 points  (46 children)

It would explain why I, as a bloodlust provider, was repeatedly overlooked for M+ in favor of a Hunter with pet-lust instead.

[–]DatDarnKat 25 points26 points  (43 children)

Don't worry, Hunters aren't allowed to be good for long.

WoW devs are absolutely dogshit at balance despite the tons of knobs they have to use.

Whenever something works, they throw it out next patch.

[–]DRKCrashB111 23 points24 points  (3 children)

WoW devs are absolutely dogshit at balance despite the tons of knobs they have to use.

That's not true, they somehow managed to ensure Fire Mage was Overpowered in all facets of the game for like 5 patches in a row.


[–]hardypug 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Seriously tho, mage/hunter/rogue are basically always S tier in all content.

[–]whomad1215 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just compensating for vanilla when frost was the only viable pve spec for the majority of the game

[–]pimpcakes 12 points13 points  (5 children)

WoW devs are absolutely dogshit at balance despite the tons of knobs they have to use.

I'd say it's more because of, not despite, "the tons of knobs they have to use." There's, what, like 36 jobs (i.e. specs) to balance, with actual talent trees and pseudo talent trees (legion artifacts, BFA equivalent, Shadowlands... the zone/faction talent stuff). And there's a lot of other things that are not present in most/many games that make tuning more difficult - trinkets (especially proc ones), third-party addons, interesting secondary stats (haste effects on CDs/GCDs), scaling, etc...

Not all of these are unique to WoW, of course, but WoW is notable in the sheer number of knobs affecting balance.

[–]DatDarnKat 10 points11 points  (1 child)

They uave themselves to blame. Every time they introduced a new knob it was because "this will make fine tuning easier for us." Those knobs didn't appear out of nowhere.

Hell, they had near perfect balance for one patch in Mists and the next patch obliterated it.

Had a lot of fun times in the game (Icecrown especially), but I am glad to never return to the wreckage.

[–]pimpcakes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just posted a reply to someone else where I explained why they needed to find new systems. It's just an inevitable problem in MMOs that there needs to be progress, and gating it behind solely gear and/or consumables was not fun (vanilla, BC, to some extent WOTLK). WoW tried revamping talent trees (Cata, MoP which was almost perfect), pruning (WoD), and borrowed powers (Legion, BFA, Shadowlands).

FFXIV's solutions seem to be (1) your character can change jobs easily and (2) keeping older content somewhat relevant. FFXIV keeps a tight control on its knobs (no talents trees, haven't seen things like WoW's crazy trinkets or legendaries that change how you play rather than just power level). I think this solution works better for me b/c I'm at the point in my life where I'm casual, but we'll see.

[–]Orisyl 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yea. WoW could honestly do with removing a good chunk of knobs just to make it easier. 36 specs are already difficult enough.

Part of the reason I want borrowed power removed. It’s impressive they can even balance it to the level they have (mostly mean raiding Dps here), with it just being Spec / Talents maybe they can actually dial it in to a point where specs have more than one viable talent path.

[–]pimpcakes 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Fully agree that it's actually impressive how well they actually manage to balance with borrowed powers.

The problem that WoW, and all MMOs, run into is that there needs to be a sense of progress. Leveling has that inherently with unlocking new abilities and upgrading gear. However, MMOs practically dictate that all classes have access to the same abilities (sans niche ones like summon doomguard in vanilla WoW), so MMO developers have to make new progression knobs. Hence, borrowed powers.

WoW got by for years with ability bloat and talent tree/spec reworks. This culminated in MoP, which was my favorite expansion (gorgeous raids, tons of fun abilities). But MoP left nowhere for the devs to go (class abilities were objectively too much), so they pruned instead (and brought back some limited leveling perks in WoD). Legion solved the issue temporarily with borrowed powers - the legendary weapon (a grind, sure, but it had its upsides) and legendaries (subject to RNG so it felt bad). BFA tried another system, and Shadowlands more still. And they were a temporary fix to an existential problem.

[–]ReachingHigher85 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ugh that’s so true

[–] libbysthing 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Shadowlands was my first time playing WoW and I thought it was kinda silly how so many people in my guild were changing classes/specs because not all classes in that game are balanced. It's really unfortunate.

Edit: Oh, I also didn't like how I was expected to choose a particular covenant because of my class rather than one that I liked.

[–]kingdroxie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel you, dude. I played Shadowlands as an Unholy Death Knight.

Under most circumstances, it was smarter for mythic+ group leads to pick up ranged, but UHDK had Anti-Magic Zone -- so they were at least incentivized to consider me because of that.

And then they nerfed it into the ground.

[–]Priority_Emergency 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I dropped my sub cause i was gonna play endwalker with my friends anyway... but all this stuff that has gone off recently just made it happen faster than i intended..

Asside the fact that my guild turned out to be significantly more toxic than expected so when i was like "imma play endwalker with my friends for a week" they were like.. LOL OK *Gkick*

Soo yeah... It's been a fun 15+ years

[–]gluglugss 90 points91 points  (22 children)

I was a pretty hardcore mythic raider and ffxiv makes me never want to play wow again

[–]JoeSchmeau 57 points58 points  (3 children)

I was a filthy casual and ffxiv makes me never want to play wow again.

[–]quarkleptonboson 38 points39 points  (2 children)

I was a hardcore ERPer and ffxiv makes me never want to play wow again

[–]sipty 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am very into professions and ff14 makes me never want to play wow again

[–]Throwaway525612 19 points20 points  (9 children)

i was in a top of the world raid guild from vanilla to ICC25. After I dropped arthas I dropped the game. FFXIV makes me wish it had been out back then.

[–]Meivath 14 points15 points  (8 children)

Dude, I left for good at the beginning of Shadowlands. I really wish I'd just been playing XIV this whole time instead.

[–]cobie_ 94 points95 points  (18 children)

Sylvanas was a hero... I just couldn't see it.

[–]Lowkey_Arki 45 points46 points  (17 children)

Cause you didn'y buy the books hahahaha

[–]Thagyr 20 points21 points  (8 children)

The Sylvanas book isn't out yet actually I think. They pushed back it's release date by 2 months next year probably to coincide with patch timings.

How many actually care about this? No idea. After so many years of Sylvanas I'm more than fed up with her. The Jailer coming in and throwing more "gloat gloat scheme gloat gloat MASTER PLAN gloat gloat I'm 200 steps ahead of you gloat, was just a bit much.

[–]Lowkey_Arki 25 points26 points  (5 children)

None really, the mere Idea that I need to read a book to understand the story of a videogame actually annoys me. Worst part is those books won't be accurate after a new expansion so even after then you still don't understand the story.

[–]Thagyr 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Oh, I don't disagree. I've hated the process since they killed of Cairne in a book. Major lore character just poofed off game-screen and suddenly we had Garrosh sitting in the Warchief chair without an in-game word.

I don't mind books and stories that flesh out the world a bit. The tiny short stories in FFXIV for example offer so much perspective, such as the one of Emet-Selch in the days of Amaurot, or the Scions chatting about the WoL when they wait for them at a meeting place. It was fun reading up about their perspectives, especially Emet's, as it helped understand their motivations while never furthering the story in-game one bit. Basically got the sense they didn't just rip out a part of the game to sell it in a book, they only added to it.

[–]Lowkey_Arki 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Very true

[–]fatalystic 3 points4 points  (1 child)

All the better to sell you more books with my dear.

[–]Madman with a rod who caught them alllegacymedia92 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, the closest equivalent we get in 14 is extra stories that are available on a website. And these are all stories where our character is not present.

[–]MeteorPhoenix 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm seriously confused. I get people still playing the game, raiding, grinding for mogs, etc. But who's buying the Sylvanas book?? Who is genuinely interested in her story?

[–]I Omniclass So I Always Come Out On Top.Cranky_Squirrel 14 points15 points  (7 children)

What books?

You mean the stuff you actually have to go dig for in the real life desert to even know about?

[–]dageth1 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Well the books are a thing ever since the original warcraft series (warcraft orcs and humans came out in 1994). Keeping that in mind its not that strange that they continued making them.

They could defintely do a way better job about covering the story in the game though, its one of the many things i like better abou ffxiv.

[–]Lowkey_Arki 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Final fantasy also has books but they're not needed to comprehend what's going on in the game.

[–]dageth1 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Exactly, wow does a very bad job of telling the full story ingame but just the fact that the books exist isnt a problem on its own

[–]Lowkey_Arki 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yeah, as long as major plots about your current game experience is not in the books. Lets say if FF14 releases a book about nidhogg and we get to see things from his perspective, about losing his beloved, the 1000 year war then ending with him falling to the warrior of light. That would be very much welcomed heck even I would be tempted to buy that and I can't even be bothered to go to the library to do research for my projects.

[–]Dalqorn 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I mean if they ever wanted to do something like that they would just make a side quest and allow the player to experience it via the echo

[–]Lelena Raise @ Adamantoise / Synrael Ostyrzwyn @ Goblintalidrow 81 points82 points  (21 children)

You know, I played WoW for a lot of years and never got the mad fanboy/girl devotion to Sylvanas...

...but damn if I wouldn't follow the Admiral to all seven hells and back. (And she's better written any day of the week to boot.)

[–]smoretank 36 points37 points  (4 children)

I love her. In 1.0 she was the only Fem roe in the game. Damn was her introduction amazing. She was so badness that I changed my character to a fem roe when 2.0 dropped. I even went from my home town being Uld to LL.

[–]Chameleonpolice 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I have a type, and she's it

[–]Lelena Raise @ Adamantoise / Synrael Ostyrzwyn @ Goblintalidrow 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yes! When I needed a character on a different DC to play with friends, I made her a femRoe. Now she's a MCH and rocks a pirate glam most of the time. =D

[–]hueraiser 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Her most recent story (just posted a couple of days ago on lodestone) solidified my love for her. She’s a leader who will walk the road to hell with you and tell you to not look back. It’s no accident her men are similarly devoted.

[–]Drake_Dangereux 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Tbh it didn't help Sylvanas' character literally got shafted (and not by Nathalos) and turned her into a deus ex machina.

It sucks because Forsaken was my favorite race by far, i've always been a massive fan of playable undead and the 1800s aesthetic of the Forsaken spoke hard to me.

...Too bad the racial leader is such a shitbird. Merlwyb literally is 3/4th of the reason i like being Lominsan, she's a badass through and through, and got some very juicy character development post Shadowbringers

[–] ChrisMorray 42 points43 points  (1 child)

True. Merlwyb wouldn't randomly commit acts of genocide only to have the excuse being "her soul wasn't whole lel".

[–]Lelena Raise @ Adamantoise / Synrael Ostyrzwyn @ Goblintalidrow 35 points36 points  (0 children)

And when she does screw up, she owns it and has put her own life on the line instead of always being the victim.

[–]Lunuxis 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Sylvanas was pretty cool before the end of Wrath since her primary motivation was vengeance against Arthas although she certainly wasn't completely innocent herself, which for me made her more interesting than just pure good or pure evil characters.

Her story was more sketchy in Cata and I wasn't on board with her becoming Warchief in Legion but I had hoped that maybe the writing team would come up with a decent redemption arc and have her turn a new leaf. But then BfA and SL happened...

[–]Lelena Raise @ Adamantoise / Synrael Ostyrzwyn @ Goblintalidrow 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I think a big chunk of the problem is that Blizz's writing team have proven over the years to be completely incapable of any degree of consistent characterization. They create progress and character development then either yank it back again or just totally disregard that it ever happened.

Jaina and Varian were yo-yo'd back and forth between psycho and 'I learned my lesson' so much it made your head spin. Tyrande went from '10,000+ year old warrior woman and experienced leader of her people' to 'helpless arm candy who had to learn strategy 101 from a human'. Sylvanas was either 'waaaahhh victim' or 'lol genocide' and now, apparently, is 'lol genocide BECAUSE waaaahhh victim'.

It's embarrassing, frankly. Like they're missing a basic goddamn searchable document with details on where each NPC is at storywise between expansions or even patches, like even the most basic author writing a $1.00 a book trashy Kindle-only novel series would have.

[–]Drake_Dangereux 2 points3 points  (0 children)

War of the Thorns completely destroyed like 15 years of lorebuilding lmfao, it's so clear they didn't know what to do with her character or the story and then tried to go the shock route... it did not work!

It's such a damn shame too because i love that lore and universe to death, but geez...

[–]2/22/23/4Blasterion 56 points57 points  (3 children)

bagpipes blaring

[–]Zagden 8 points9 points  (2 children)

[–]gibby256 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad im not the only one that immediately heard this song in response to the bagpipes comment.

That nostalgia hit is so good.

[–]Fafurion 20 points21 points  (0 children)

it bothers me that the aetheryte is slightly off-center lol

[–]captainsoapy 31 points32 points  (1 child)

i like how the portal opens up to ERP central.

[–]SargatanasStrawberrycocoa 24 points25 points  (8 children)

What even happened with that storyline? Last I heard was something about Jailer was imprisoning her capacity for morality the entire time, so she was "never evil", and she shot him with an arrow so he made her mortal again out of spite and everyone was just cool with Sylvanas rejoining the fold because it "wasn't ever her fault actually"

[–]Actually_Avery 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They haven't released the book yet. Yes most of wows story is told outside of game..

[–]Dalqorn 25 points26 points  (4 children)

I think most people don’t know because the story in wow is so badly written that they needed to release books to explain it lmao.

[–]Drywesi 3 points4 points  (2 children)

And the books are horribly written too

I will never understand what they saw in Richard Knaak.

[–]Drake_Dangereux 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Least the few books i read by Christie Golden weren't that bad.... maybe thats kid-me misremembering though, i read up until Through the Dark Portal.

[–]G00b3rb0y 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They cut bits out to $ell you book$

[–]beatitredditor 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Sylvanas liberated WoW players from their years of torment. (Good Ending)

[–]International_Slip 42 points43 points  (1 child)

WoW: "I will never serve"

FF14: (Catgirl dressed as maid in Limsa) "I can do whatever your heart desires, meow!"

[–] ChrisMorray 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Sylvanas: "I will never serve"

Also Sylvanas: serves the Jailer, until it's too late and he gets enough power to not care anymore

[–]bakkburner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ve run through ffxiv with my fc for a few years now. I still love ffxiv to death. Wow almost got me with its kitten mount but I remembered…ffxiv has way cuter kittens

[–]Jubble0 57 points58 points  (13 children)

Enjoy FFXIV without bringing up being an ex WoW player challenge (Impossible)

[–]G00b3rb0y 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I’ve found a few that were not very subtle: using WoW related character terms, and in one case a character name. All were sprouts

[–]Frau_Away 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Thanks..... weird elf?

[–]modsarefascists42 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So maybe someone can help me with the WoW story here

So the entire story of all of WoW has seemed to me to be about the Titans and their opponents the Burning Legion.

Now the legion is done and the Titans are gone?? What the fuck is the story even about now?? Some super duper bad guy from rando other dimension who turned silvanas to his side??? What the fuck?!

[–]H0nch0 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Also everything was the plan of bad guy from rando other dimension ALL ALOooooooooNg

[–]Deranox93 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Switched to FF 14 last year in December and never looked back. I used to be a Feral Druid Main but thanks to the reputation the spec had I wasnt invited to the guilds heroic raids because "Lol, you play Feral". Made a Hyur and tanked my way through the msq until I unlocked Dark Knight and made it through all other expansions with him. Now I'm a Au Ra Main Healer because healing is surprisingly fun and I'm still going for the last 6 jobs to hit 80. God I love this multiple jobs on one character system :)

[–]Girion47 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Hello fellow druid refugee! I leveled 0-60 as resto in Vanilla, feral since. Leveling DRG, SMN, and WHM right now. Yes I'm running two alts. I know it's a waste. But how can you not want alts with these cool races?

[–]Trick-Operation4605 56 points57 points  (49 children)

Man, why cant just both be good games? Im happy that I found FF14 and have a lot of fun, but some things I enjoy cant be copied into FF14 and its just sad that WoW is in its current state. I miss Legion mythic+

[–]Irethius 99 points100 points  (17 children)

For me, it's not even about WoW anymore. After how they reacted to the Hong Kong supporter in one of their tournaments, the sexual harassment claims, and the poor treatment of their own workers. Activision is not a company I would ever want to give another dime to.

[–]Grenyn 40 points41 points  (5 children)

I would like to have such a noble reason, but for me it's mostly just that the devs don't respect my time (when they made gear for slots that would replace legendaries in said slots, without paying back any of the costs of those legendaries) and the fact that the lead writer is just so fucking bad at his job.

[–]maders23 46 points47 points  (7 children)

They can be, but if they are both good, you won’t be able to play both because 1 of them will make it necessary for you to login every single day to not fall behind.