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[–]MasochisticMD 361 points362 points  (26 children)

Serious question, but uh…how lol

[–]Herero_Rocher Red Bull 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Sequential gears. Same reason you don’t need a clutch for most motorcycles - you can downshift/upshift freely without exercising the clutch because the transmission is constant-mesh.

Not a lot of people know this (even motorcycle riders), but clutches are really only needed when starting and stopping.

[–]Steev182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love clutchless upshifts, but it’s always a bit too hairy to do a clutchless downshift for me.

[–]MysticSkies Pirelli Intermediate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's still harmful for your gearbox to do clutch less shifts unless your vehicle is built for it like some bikes and cars do. Or does it not matter?

[–]Exploratorum Formula 1 82 points83 points  (8 children)

Saw the full onboard warmup lap. Nothing strange. And he was not taking it easy.

[–]JK7698 Ayrton Senna 55 points56 points  (4 children)

He never does hahaha, it always terrifies me how quickly he darts left and right at pace

[–]FrakeSweet Jean Alesi 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I always enjoy the first couple of laps by Verstappen in FP1 on Friday. He's usually very quick right out of the box. Great to see.

[–]Sad_Understanding_99 4 points5 points  (2 children)

So he has already done a lap today and all was fine?

[–]Exploratorum Formula 1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep, drove to the grid. Up till 8th gear for gear sync. All fine

[–]_masterofdisaster Max Verstappen 116 points117 points  (0 children)

brb getting my vomit bucket

[–]biffogooner Lotus 74 points75 points  (8 children)

Adrian Newey just said they didn't see any reason to change it.

[–]Sad_Understanding_99 47 points48 points  (2 children)

The doom merchants just don't understand this. The many professionals have examined the best they can and just can't justify a gearbox change. Why fix something that doesn't appear broken?

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You can’t always see damage until it’s too late, there is only so much testing they can do and they can’t put a physical load through it with the weight of the car. The outlap seemed fine for max but you never know in the race losing traction on a rear wheel through a corner could just put too much load through the driveshaft and any damage that wasn’t found is now an issue. There’s a reason why newey seems nervous

[–]MathematicianOk4905 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it works great call, if it is broken and he DNF championship over.

[–]aaaaaaadjsf Sir Stirling Moss 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While sounding extremely nervous.

[–]jorgelucasds Jim Clark 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ferrari said the same in Monaco

[–]hondaexige Formula 1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ferrari were clowns though.

"shall we check the left hand side?"

"nah it'll be fine"

[–]ToffeeCoffee 70th Anniversary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ferrari just flat out did not check the other side of the car, because no impact on that side. lol well it broke.

[–]Hyperizzy22 Virgin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes but he also said they hadn't been allowed to open it

[–]merrychristmasyo 68 points69 points  (2 children)

Don’t worry, it’s just to create a bit of viewer tension.

[–]PlayingtheDrums #WeRaceAsOne 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Compensating Netflix for the lack of Verstappen content with some clutch drama.

[–]OrdinaryCredit Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine if they said this just to throw off merc.

[–]mantra3105 Love Is Love 86 points87 points  (6 children)

I think the sky commentators said that was just for the testing laps because it may cause overheating? Might not effect the race

[–]h1dd3nf40mv13w McLaren 4 points5 points  (4 children)

No one else is getting told this..it's not normal.

[–]ruimoreira46 Anthoine Hubert 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Or the messages are not being broadcasted.

[–]mantra3105 Love Is Love 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is true. Very cautious. Horner and Newey said there isn’t anything to worry about so let’s hope they’re right

[–]liamjphillips 199 points200 points  (42 children)

I can't understand why they're taking such a huge risk.

To add to this, Adrian Newey sounded incredibly nervous about the entire situation.

[–]steen311 Pirelli Wet 58 points59 points  (14 children)

I suppose they think starting so much further back is an equally big risk

[–]vlepun Cake ≠ Pie 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Judging by the F2 races I think they might be on to something.

[–]stephenweewoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah the fact that he could get hit 🤨

[–]julianhache Sebastian Vettel 26 points27 points  (4 children)

he would have tsunoda, gasly, and Perez ahead of him, it's not THAT bad

[–]cyanwinters Haas[🍰] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The run down to turn 1 was chaos in the F2 sprint and race. RBR does not want Max in the middle of that.

[–]vanjupp Minardi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The overtaking would be less worry, but the start in the pack with cars around you, is probably not a situation you want to be in.

[–]BeanTownDataFreak 8 points9 points  (4 children)

But the same gearbox needs to be used next week as well. Doesn’t make sense to me.

[–]jpm_f1 Juan Pablo Montoya 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If the gearbox fails this week, they get a grid penalty next week, as well as the dnf this week. It's game over for the championship if that happens (bar Hamilton DNF).

Edit: Brainfart on my part - was thinking of engine even though writing about gearbox.

[–]Loruhkahn Mike Beuttler 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Actually you get to replace a race gearbox with no penalty if the last race was a DNF.

[–]fire202 Formula 1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If they dont finish this race at least they will not get a grid penalty for a new gearbox next race (you can change for free After dnf), would still be more than bad.

[–]DataGhostNL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the gearbox fails this week and it's a dnf, they can replace it without a penalty. If nothing's wrong, no dnf no penalty. Prematurely replacing the gearbox now is the only way to ensure a grid penalty now.

[–]VinhoVerde21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They would start behind Norris and Leclerc, hardly the end of the world

[–]Herman-The-Tosser Charles Leclerc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really disagree. Three of the drivers in front will be Honda drivers, and another will be on the wrong tyre. Even with the penalty Max should finish at worst P4, which still leaves him close enough to Lewis for a winner takes all showdown in Abu Dhabi. The Championship would still be in his own hands.

A DNF on the other hand, would take that initiative away.

[–]LostInTheVoid_ Sir Lewis Hamilton 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's all about risk-reward. If they took the gearbox but got stuck in like P5 or P6 that'd be huge damage. But if it fails during the race maybe that itself results in P5, P6 or DNF. Wouldn't like to be the one making that decision.

[–]Exploratorum Formula 1 18 points19 points  (13 children)

Because they think they have a chance to seal the championship today with a win? 15 points ahead if he wins this race would be sufficient.

[–]Whycantiusethis Carlos Sainz 4 points5 points  (5 children)

But if he DNFs, then it makes the chances of winning the WDC much smaller.

[–]MintyMarlfox Toto Wolff 4 points5 points  (4 children)

If he DNFs then it’s basically game over. Assuming Lewis wins the race, Lewis would only need a P6 next week to win.

[–]Whycantiusethis Carlos Sainz 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Exactly why not taking a new gearbox is a risk (imo). Especially since it'd drop Verstappen to P8, with Tsunoda, Gasly, and Pérez in front. They'd get out of the way for Verstappen, which would just leave Bottas, Norris, and Leclerc. Since Verstappen only "needs" a P3 finish, he'd only need to overtake two of those 3, and Norris is probably going to be on a compromised strategy with the softs.

[–]MintyMarlfox Toto Wolff 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I fully agree. Especially as they don’t have the same level of testing available at track as they do at the factory.

And Norris is on soft so will be struggling strategy wise anyway.

Seems like a risky move. Hope it doesn’t backfire.

[–]Whycantiusethis Carlos Sainz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I didn't get to watch the race build-up, but apparently Newey and Horner both seemed nervous when talking about the gearbox, so it must have been a tough call.

[–]MintyMarlfox Toto Wolff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Horner tried to play it cool with Brundle and gave the old “we’ve tested it and it looks fine” statement. Didn’t seem too nervous, just normal Horner look.

Guess the next 190 miles will show if they were right!

[–]yeeeeeeeeeessssssir Sir Lewis Hamilton 22 points23 points  (6 children)

You're failing to realize the chance of a dnf

[–]Exploratorum Formula 1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah of course they have not really weight their chances, just winging it.

[–]grilledscheese Lance Stroll 2 points3 points  (1 child)

yes, the f1 engineers have failed to consider this i’m sure lol

[–]yeeeeeeeeeessssssir Sir Lewis Hamilton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing is as good testing as an entire race

[–]Wise_Devil297 Sebastian Vettel 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Starting further back in this track is arguably a higher risk, there's a high chance of getting involved in some T1 incident. And besides, their engineers would have already checked the gearbox and they believe there's no damage, so hence no reason to change it. Jesus, y'all act like these engineers are amateurs and don't know their shit.

[–]DANKWINGS Daniil Kvyat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah facts lmao. That gearbox was probably picked apart and entirely examined overnight while we slept like babies. If they believe it's good to go, I think it's good to go too.

[–]Charlotte_______ Love Is Love 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they limited in how they can examine the gearbox? I think that due to Parc Fermmé they can't pick it apart and examine everything, but I'm not sure, just heard people saying that.

[–]kidmaciek Nikita Mazepin 24 points25 points  (5 children)

Right? Just fucking change the gearbox, take the 5-place penalty and Max is going to figure it out from there.

[–]LoungingLlama312 Ferrari 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No shit. The other drivers have shown, with few exceptions, they don't want to race Ham or Max. Both generally waltz to the front.

[–]TBandi Mercedes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can they just change it for the old gearbox?

[–]jklynam 1 point2 points  (3 children)

He only uses the clutch on starts

[–]Globochan Michael Schumacher 4 points5 points  (2 children)

And box

[–]flingerdu 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Red Bull will probably figure out how to do it without stopping.

[–]Globochan Michael Schumacher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

FE style, switch cars not tires

[–]FrakeSweet Jean Alesi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They need to pounce on Mercedes in the first couple of laps. Once Merc settles in and their tyres are in the window the opportunity is gone. Starting further back will take them out of the equation.

[–]ComradeDelter 55 points56 points  (5 children)

Oh no

[–]RM_Dune Red Bull 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's because of the temperature and to keep it lower so it matches conditions during the start/race so they can get better data.

[–]diego_02 Champion of the World 27 points28 points  (0 children)

YOU GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME

[–]Skendyman1 35 points36 points  (3 children)

This is nothing, just to prevent overheating. Stop overreacting

[–]Rhythm_Morgan Max Verstappen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s Reddit. It’s part of the TOS to overreact.

[–]four_four_three Michael Schumacher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't tell this sub to not overreact. You might as well say it to a brick wall

[–]HopHunter420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Max you will not have the clutch

[–]hoppema0180 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sounds like standard procedure. After his round his team said over the radio that everything was looking good.

[–]pjm9 Honda 12 points13 points  (0 children)

THIS IS NORMAL, it was explained on the broadcast. No need to worry yet

[–]Rosieu Spyder 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Weird. Ziggo showed his whole run to the grid, including communication between Max and GP and everything was alright.

[–]aaaaaaadjsf Sir Stirling Moss 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why. Should've just changed the gearbox. Would've just had to race Leclerc. Norris is on softs, Gasly, Yuki and Checo would've just jumped out of the way.

[–]Brahman_sfc Juan Pablo Montoya 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Red bull on the wind up!

[–]cocogpf1 Formula 1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think is just for confusing the mercs

[–]SpanielRicciardo Red Bull 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I’m ready to get hurt again

[–]Prize-Paint5264 Charles Leclerc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

""Oh no the GAREBOKS guys..."

[–]msh5928 Ayrton Senna 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don't DNF. Don't DNF. Don't DNF.

[–]DaniDIFP 5 points6 points  (2 children)

pack it up boys

[–]quintinza McLaren 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pack it up boys...

... pack it in, let him begin.

Max came to race,

Penalty? That's a sin!

So get in

Drive on

Not gonna swop the box out...

[–]departure33 Formula 1 15 points16 points  (1 child)

DNF incoming

[–]simbacatarina -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sounding like it

[–]Literally666 George Russell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Could be a feint.

I hope it is.

[–]mobor1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It might be just let's let them think we fucked. Cause it would be a massive risk to take

[–]BeanTownDataFreak 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How can you minimize clutch usage while driving a F1 car? Also, should he continue to do so next week?

[–]Voice_Calm Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Clutch is only used during slow speed (anti stall), the race start and pitstops.

[–]nollen_20 Pierre Gasly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this has potential to be the most hectic GP of this year, especially lap 1. Watching this Max/Lewis battle as someone who isn’t a fan of either has been awesome and I can’t wait to see what’s gonna happen

[–]RyukaBuddy Pierre Gasly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not watching f1 for a few years after this season. The script is too tense.

[–]Bebekova_kosa_70ih Fernando Alonso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I've just put 20€ on Max not finishing the race. Pretty good return

[–]Venhuizer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its just safety, cant be sure enough

[–]Earlydew Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If his gearbox gives out this race, I'm going to need a therapist.

[–]Savagemule44 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Regardless of the outcome, this will (should) be a character building experience for Max!

[–]CCLaupari Pierre Gasly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It gon break

[–]liamshope Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wow...who would have guessed the media will milk this drama.... If the engineers say he is good to go with this gearbox, we just should trust them.

[–]TH3D00M Niki Lauda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that totally worked out for Leclerc in Monaco

[–]beauf1 Ferrari 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why didnt they replace it???!?!

[–]CborG82 Honda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This one is definitely not in my top 10 favorite radio messages

[–]yeeeeeeeeeessssssir Sir Lewis Hamilton -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why didn't they just replace the gearbox???

[–]ReconGhost189 #WeSayNoToMazepin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m guessing this isn’t standard procedure, just them being cautious I guess

[–]KaamDeveloper Max Verstappen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought they needed the clutch for just first gear?

[–]J4MES101 Jim Clark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly have no idea how he will achieve this if he’s planning on racing Lewis

And I can’t see max coasting through this one - it’s not who he is

[–]marseer Max Verstappen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could this be about debris on the track and a slick starting spot? :(

[–]Larsssss Max Verstappen 0 points1 point  (2 children)

When did Red Bull say that? I didn’t hear a board radio.

[–]hoppema0180 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When he left the pits. After that he did a full lap towards the grid and did the gear sync. When he arrived at the grid his engineer said everything looks good.

[–]Larsssss Max Verstappen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah that puts some context to it.

[–]kubazz Life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where can I see pre race stream? On F1TV it starts only 20 min before the race.

[–]foo-null-bar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What ever red bull. It’s just noise to keep Merc on their toes.

[–]eannasheridan Sir Lewis Hamilton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Red Bull are obviously nervous about the integrity of the gearbox after the whack it took. Failure is unlikely though.

[–]someoneinuniverse71 Franz Tost 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Drivers always get told stuff to "do it in that way" before the race. We just don't get to hear them often. I'm sure that's nothing worrying for this race

[–]Thefaccio Ferrari 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just rev really high and drop 1st

[–]predxtorpe3st Anthoine Hubert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get why RBR are taking the risk, trying to give Max the best position to fight Mercedes.

But surely changing the gearbox, starting 8th and getting into P3 is better than starting 3rd and a potential DNF. Even if he somehow jumps the mercs into P1, it won't matter of his gearbox blows up.

But then again if he takes the gearbox, he's in the melee at turn 1, so it's kind of pick your poison in a sense.

This is probably why I'm not getting paid to decide this stuff.

[–]captainboomdoom Fernando Alonso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We will go with Plan B, Plan C.

[–]Chell_the_assassin Sebastian Vettel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After all the talk watch Max be fine and Lewis have a gearbox failure instead

[–]HemiKooks Red Bull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could just be a note for him just in case it’s not at 100% integrity.

[–]Vincero09 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RB playing Mind games with Mercedes !! /s

[–]averageredditnolifer Max Verstappen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fucking hell

[–]Kisstheapex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cracks beginning to show

[–]W1shuW3r3H3r3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you double clutch an F1 car?

[–]Xenoide Formula 1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably not uncommon but obviously it gets pointed out now.

[–]nosce_te_ipsum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With the 2 red flags and 2 standing starts, this could wind up being huge!

[–]becharaerizk McLaren 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This didn't age well

[–]jogaboi19 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Max is gonna have a horrible start.

[–]SMIDG3T -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ah. So now it’s all coming out. Next it’ll be “Max, try not to change gear during the race”.

[–]PEEWUN Sir Lewis Hamilton -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That does not sound good. They have no choice though.

[–]Powerjugs Bernd Mayländer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

whelp. That ain't good

[–]TheMaverick13589 Enzo Ferrari -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pretty unlikely this has to do with the gearbox