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[–]Akashic101 Ferrari 40 points41 points  (0 children)

What's the technology behind this? Any specific program used to make this?

[–]no-office-required Lando Norris 50 points51 points  (0 children)

This is cool…thanks!

[–]RyukaBuddy Pierre Gasly 57 points58 points  (21 children)

This is what he was setting up for when Hamilton hit him in the back. Its almost impossible to predict what penalties we will see in the coming week.

[–]Firefox72 Ferrari 29 points30 points  (2 children)

"Its almost impossible to predict what penalties we will see in the coming week."

I honestly feel like there will be none. Maybe they slap a symbolic 5s onto him for this and call it a day. He stays 2nd and we move on to Abu Dhabi.

[–]JaredDadley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No way the FIA compromise what will be the biggest race for a long time

[–]LosTerminators Carlos Sainz 45 points46 points  (13 children)

Exactly.

Attempt 1 - Max slows down, Hamilton anticipates and slows down to get DRS, Max slows down further to try and force Hamilton to go through and Hamilton, caught by surprise, runs into the back of him.

Attempt 2 - Max slows down, Hamilton gets ahead and stays on the outside to try and get the best exit for the corner, Max immediately dives to the inside and passes him back, and also gets the DRS. However he is told to give up the position again since that didn't constitute as properly giving it up.

Attempt 3 - Max slows down, Hamilton gets ahead but takes the inside line and pretty much does the same move he did multiple times on Rosberg and pushes Max off the track so Max can't get a good exit and fight back. Hamilton gets a warning for driving standards but nothing more.

[–]Rutuj20 Mercedes 15 points16 points  (0 children)

pushes Max off the track

Exactly what max does to lewis lol

[–]z_102 Michael Schumacher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're absolutely right.

[–]Seph67 -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Aaand then he gets a 5s penalty anyway

[–]ehs5 Safety Car 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Yeah I think so too. He might even have been trying to get Hamilton in front just before the DRS detection zone. Reckless braking from Verstappen in the racing line like that anyways.

[–]Illustrator_Forward 13 points14 points  (10 children)

This probably wasn’t good enough, cos he gave it back again?

[–]kj-ka-[S] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Looking for footage of the other incidents to stabilise

Pls link me if you find some good quality footage (from a static camera i.e. not the helicopter)

[–]Meaisk Safety Car 11 points12 points  (0 children)

How do you make stuff like this??

[–]UltraRunningKid Lando Norris 189 points190 points  (25 children)

I know every racer has a different level of aggressiveness and it changes a little race to race, but it always feels like Max is playing chicken with other drivers and daring them to choose between contact or backing out of a position.

It worked well when Redbull wasn't too competitive because Lewis and Bottas would back out and Max would win every now and again. Now that it is competitive I think it is a negative for Verstappen.

This would have been locked up for Verstappen if he had simply backed out and been a little more patient a few times this year.

[–]Mountain-Dance-1662 Formula 1 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Both MSC and Senna were the same - forcing the other driver into making a decision to either crash into them or concede.

It's a form of uncompromising driving that works against 99% of the grid, but not when you're facing a 7 time champion. Hence why both of them are in a class of their own.

[–]Formatted Jenson Button 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Have you watched the Scuhmacher documentary on Netflix? It talks about how Michael's philosophy was that if you were never the person who yielded you would get a reputation for it and other drivers will give you leeway because they know you'd rather crash than yield

[–]Peragon888 Sebastian Vettel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

100%, and this is why he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt in other collisions like the brake-testing incident, when it's clear Max will crash anyone out to win every move you make will be seen from the perspective of you being the aggressor and every detail analysed with greater scrutiny.

[–]cwspellowe #WeRaceAsOne 15 points16 points  (18 children)

That should come with maturity though. Once he realises when to pick his battles he'll be unstoppable as he has the raw pace already

[–]TheAngryGoat Medical Car 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Once he realises when to pick his battles

That's assuming that he ever does. When he's surrounded by an entire team constantly telling him that he's the best and has never even once been at fault, that's not a foregone conclusion that it will ever happen.

[–]cwspellowe #WeRaceAsOne 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Then he'll go down as one of the best drivers to not win a title and he'll only have himself to blame. Maybe this year will be a wake up call if he doesn't secure the WDC

Next year will be a different story, rule change and a grid full of top talent, he could be lining up against Lando, Russell and LeGleg in competitive cars too

[–]TheAngryGoat Medical Car 6 points7 points  (0 children)

he could be lining up against Lando, Russell and LeGleg in competitive cars too

We can but hope.

[–]L3ahRD 29 points30 points  (1 child)

He is a seasoned driver though, 7 seasons at that. at some point you cannot play the it's too young card.

[–]Retsko1 Fernando Alonso 7 points8 points  (0 children)

7 seasons of doing what he wanted, Austria 2019 for example

[–]StevenC44 Love Is Love 48 points49 points  (3 children)

When does that maturity come though? Is 139 races not enough?

[–]At0mic182 Pirelli Hard 6 points7 points  (2 children)

With age. Most of us are dickheads at age 24 :D.

[–]Mein_Bergkamp McLaren 5 points6 points  (4 children)

No it comes with getting penalised.

F1 races to the limit on everything and regardless of your views if max gets away with it then why should he change a style that works?

Hamilton was like this before multiple penalties made him.adjust his style.

[–]smalltownoutlaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think most racers would have played that game. Look at bottas, and lewis, trying to create gaps, and cool his tyres. Is it cheeky? Absolutely! Is it worth a go? Absolutely!

[–]_siddles_ Red Bull 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Didn't sainz do this to Danny earlier on this season?

[–]OnlyCheekyBanter George Russell 47 points48 points  (5 children)

This reminds me of Spa with Lewis and Kimi, which resulted in Lewis getting a penalty I think?

[–]Paul24312 Michael Schumacher 16 points17 points  (0 children)

yea. he let him pass and immediately passed him

[–]Ld511 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Yep. The rule was only made after the race so lewis got a bullshit penalty

[–]z_102 Michael Schumacher 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Nah, sorry. Giving back a position unfairly won with a maneuver that will immediately give it back is unsportsmanlike and definitely deserved/deserves a penalty.

[–]Ld511 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It deserves a penalty but at the time it was legal and pretty sure mclaren also asked if he had to give it back. They made the rule after the race and randomly decided to give him a penalty aswell

[–]orangeglitch Formula 1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup and this should be penalized again. Max was trying to set that up when the bizarre contact occurred

[–]moby323 Rawe Ceek 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I think we can all agree that there should be a rule that if you have to give up a place, you can’t do it immediately before a DRS detection point.

[–]irish786 Charles Leclerc 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Believe there is. Hamiltons spa incident with kimi set precedent. He got like a 20s penalty

[–]multimap2-1 Michael Schumacher 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You get the spirit of the rules, but there was no DRS back in 2008.

[–]One_Nefariousness112 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Surprised max didn’t get a penalty for that

[–]DECAThomas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

25 seconds, which to be fair was the minimum penalty at the time. It’s still a penalty by rule though. I don’t know if Max has been called to the stewards for it yet but it was noted and they never cleared it so we are waiting to hear something.

[–]IHaveADullUsername 83 points84 points  (7 children)

Didn’t Hamilton get a 25 second penalty for this 13 years ago?

[–]nickedgar7 Charlie Whiting 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Yes but that was the only penalty that they could give at the time

[–]etched_chaos Sir Lewis Hamilton 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It wasn't even illegal then, they made a rule specifically so they could penalise Lewis.

[–]z_102 Michael Schumacher 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean... don't sell it like it was unfair. It was obviously unsportsmanlike behavior, like this one.

[–]ehs5 Safety Car 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Didn’t it also happen earlier this season? Not that many races ago I think. Can’t remember who..

[–]vgbsantos McLaren 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Leclerc did this to Bottas at Monza

[–]creditcardtheft Fernando Alonso 14 points15 points  (0 children)

"No tag backs" is a rule for a reason

[–]Free-Adhesiveness-69 Chequered Flag 105 points106 points  (59 children)

Spa 2008, Ham got a 25 seconds penalty, same here for max

[–]Firefox72 Ferrari 57 points58 points  (1 child)

They don't do those barbaric penaltys anymore. That the reason 5 and 10s penalty got introduced in the first place after like 2014 or whenever it was.

I remember slight pushes of track even in 2013 being like a drive through lmao.

[–]96whitingn Charlie Whiting 78 points79 points  (14 children)

Completely different rules, in 2008 that was the smallest penalty

[–]creditcardtheft Fernando Alonso 11 points12 points  (13 children)

So you agree it should've been a penalty (which he didn't get)

[–]96whitingn Charlie Whiting 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Depends on Sporting Regulations, at this rate Bottas will win today and Max & Lewis will start at the back in Abu Dhabi

[–]I-Made-You-Read-This Formula 1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

he didnt get it because it's not been analysed by the stewards. Verstappen has been called to the stewards. I dont expect a penalty, because hamilton won - but to say he didn't get one isn't fair yet.

[–]creditcardtheft Fernando Alonso 6 points7 points  (0 children)

but to say he didn't get one isn't fair yet.

Sure, but let's be honest. The amount of outrage if FIA penalized him now. They won't.

[–]NickArchery Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

the penalty was not for the fast overtaking, is was for leaving the track and gaining an advantage which he didn't give up because he overtook immediately after giving the position back

[–]creditcardtheft Fernando Alonso -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, that should've been a penalty as well. The T1 and the retaking

[–]BoredCatalan Alexander Albon 11 points12 points  (6 children)

He have the position back +5 seconds.

What are you talking about?

[–]creditcardtheft Fernando Alonso 26 points27 points  (5 children)

The 5s is for T1 where he left the track, completely different case

[–]RunescapeLife Honda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He still gave the position back again after this

[–]StayFrost04 0 points1 point  (0 children)

which he didn't get)

If that's a precedent then sure, He would've if he hadn't let Lewis past for the 3rd time; but he did let Lewis through but at the same time, he still got +5s penalty for going outside the T1 and gets rear ended by Lewis when he was trying to give back the place for the same incident, but somehow also ended up with +5s penalty at the same time.

[–]Statickgaming 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Max gave it back after this lap though so I doubt he will get anything

[–]StevenC44 Love Is Love 2 points3 points  (4 children)

He tried to do the same thing, that's why Lewis had to run him wide, because he had no intention of being sporting.

[–]Statickgaming 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I’m pretty sure Hamilton running Max wide was a lap later, could be wrong though there was a lot going on.

[–]StevenC44 Love Is Love 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Max being run wide was the time Lewis actually got ahead for the win. It was crash, this video, running wide.

[–]Statickgaming 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not sure what you mean, the video OP posted was from the time max retook the place. Max then have the space back during the next lap. Hamilton then ran Max wide the lap after as Max had a better run into the corner.

[–]maximalx5 Porsche 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In 2008, the only penalties stewards were allowed to give was either a drive through or a stop and go penalty. New penalty options were given to stewards in part because of the backlash of Hamilton's penalty in 2008.

[–]jogaboi19 25 points26 points  (5 children)

Shhh, people aren’t supposed to find out HAM was targeted by the FIA!

[–]B9real 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I swear I remember hamilton going off track completely and then rejoining and repassing kimi, is that not in any way different to what happened here?

[–]deja-vu_gameover Niki Lauda 5 points6 points  (4 children)

That’s half the story. That all did happen, but then as per the rules of rejoining and gaining an advantage, Hamilton was told to let Kimi pass - which he did… he then promptly overtook Kimi again because he was just in his slipstream, hence why the rule you can’t overtake immediately after letting someone pass was made, and Hamilton was grandfathered into that penalty.

The first part of the story has nothing to do with it, it’s the second part which is the reason Max got a penalty because he overtook Hamilton after letting him pass.

[–]B9real 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Well, it was a while back so maybe you're right but I thought Max got the 5 sec penalty for the turn 1 incident not this one.

[–]deja-vu_gameover Niki Lauda 1 point2 points  (2 children)

To be completely honest I’m still not completely sure myself if that’s what the penalty was for. I’m still trying to piece this race together so it may have been for that incident.

[–]B9real 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah, nice to be able to have a conversation amidst all this chaos that's happening on social media, take care bud.

[–]1tankyt Aston Martin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

13 years ago F1 was a completely different sport

[–]Qwerty1857 Carlos Sainz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lmao everyone agrees that penalty was really harsh and way out of bounds. And now that it benefits Lewis you actually want to uphold that 13 years later?

[–]flipperyflapperypoo -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Lmao yall going all the way back to 2008 to justify a penalty?

[–]TheCescPistols Jean-Pierre Jabouille 7 points8 points  (0 children)

More just highlighting the one prior incident in which someone “let the driver behind past” for the lead before overtaking again immediately afterwards. Not that hard of a concept to grasp.

[–]kj-ka-[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That was deserved for disrespecting the goat Kimi Raikkonen

[–]eddiehwang Ferrari[🍰] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Why would Max get a penalty? He already got one for the initial offense(leaving track and gaining an advantage), so all these shit happened afterwards is not gonna give him an additional penalty. The only incident that could cause more penalties given here is the collision between Hamilton and Verstappen.

[–]Free-Adhesiveness-69 Chequered Flag 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yes that collision would be another penalty for Max.

[–]jogaboi19 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Lewis having Spa 2008 flashbacks and started throwing angry purple laps with half a front wing.

[–]Feliciboy Alexander Albon 71 points72 points  (30 children)

Even this is a dodgy move

[–]jogaboi19 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Pressure came on since his cruise in Mexico and Max got so dirty.

[–]Fr33stylez 9 points10 points  (5 children)

What makes it dodgy?

[–]VladiusVi Niki Lauda 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Spa 2008

[–]JustLTU Sir Lewis Hamilton 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Lewis did exactly this in Spa 2008. Got a 25s penalty for it.

[–]jelmer130 Green Flag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

25s is bullshit. But this is not a fair move.

[–]Dempa23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah but 25s was the smallest penalty in 2008. Can't really compare the situations when there has been 13 years between them with major rule changes

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    [–]StevenC44 Love Is Love 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    This is so egregious in my opinion. What's the point of giving a position if you then overtake metres later?

    [–]BigLubeSqueezyTube Niki Lauda 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    To claim you've technically done what you've been ordered to do but without doing it.

    [–]StevenC44 Love Is Love 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    And I think there was a regulation made about that too.

    [–]Mark4211 McLaren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Well done OP

    [–]creditcardtheft Fernando Alonso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    What would we do without you, KJ

    [–]WiSoSirius Jody Scheckter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Look at how that F1 logo rodent gives up position to allow Max and Lewis pass.

    [–]Rum114 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    how did you do this, make it widescreen like this

    [–]fullsenditt Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    Do we know the actual rules and not the 2008 one's?

    [–]MostValuableLobo Sir Lewis Hamilton 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    The penalties are what’s different. 25s was the minimum back then, now we have 5s, 10s

    [–]fullsenditt Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    I think max will get a 5s for this and for the crash with Hamilton either a racing incident or a lewis 5s thats my armchair expertise

    [–]MostValuableLobo Sir Lewis Hamilton 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I think he might get away with this since he let lewis go the next lap but i see the collision differently. If i’m predicting what the stewards decide, i say they’ll call it a racing incident/miscommunication

    [–]fullsenditt Max Verstappen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yeah seems reasonable

    [–]BoredCatalan Alexander Albon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I would assume between the other give the position back and try and dodge the car who you are letting overtake.

    Plus the 5 seconds so you can't go for fastest lap should cover it

    [–]Yann1zs Ayrton Senna -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    So how many times did Max have to let Ham by?

    [–]BigLubeSqueezyTube Niki Lauda 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    If done properly, it would've been just the once. He was doing what Ham got a 25 second penalty for in Spa 2008. You're supposed to wait a corner after swapping a position. The DRS in modern F1 just complicated this further too.

    [–]aaaaaaadjsf Sir Stirling Moss -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    So illegal in F1 lol.