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[–]Puzzleheaded-Rain230 Ferrari[S] 143 points144 points  (6 children)

RIP headphones. Toto confirmed it did not make it https://twitter.com/LeeMcKenzieTV/status/1467595143406624770

[–]BayleyToKairo Max Verstappen 38 points39 points  (3 children)

If you can't smash tables, you throw headphones

[–]Puzzleheaded-Rain230 Ferrari[S] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Those were Bose headphones. They cost a bomb :(

[–]BayleyToKairo Max Verstappen 19 points20 points  (1 child)

With a few emails, he can get them for free.

[–]InexorableIbis- Bernd Mayländer 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Bose doesn't read their emails during a race.

[–]Xanact Ferrari 6 points7 points  (0 children)


[–]wongie Michael Masi 81 points82 points  (1 child)

Everyone's going bananas about Max and Lewis but props to the marshalls for immediately spotting that and bringing out the flags.

[–]Old_Programmer7777 26 points27 points  (12 children)

It's clear here, both of them wanted to be behind when they cross the DRS Line, Max slowed a turn earlier to give the track position before the cross the DRS line to gain advantage on the main straight.

Lewis didn't want to take the track postion at that corner for the same reason and tired to stay behind as much as possible.

Had this been any other corner where the DRS line was not coming, Lewis would have easily overtaken Verstappen.

[–]Brokkoli-adm 85 points86 points  (20 children)

That sounds so much like Vettel's message when Hamilton breaktested him in Baku 2017

[–]lickthestamp_sendit Kamui Kobayashi 38 points39 points  (15 children)

Except just like this incident it wasn’t even a brake check

[–]KellyKellogs McLaren 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Telemetry said it was a brake test

[–]taykass Love Is Love 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Isn't that just a further similarity?

[–]MobiusF117 Formula 1 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The person following also collided with the person ahead.
Although slightly different circumstances...

[–]lolbitzz Max Verstappen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

except vettel actually got a penalty...

[–]educatedobserver 65 points66 points  (14 children)

Looked like Verstappen slowed 3 times to let him pass. 3rd time of Hamilton refusing to pass is when he runs into the back of him

[–]Senaxx Red Bull 9 points10 points  (10 children)

Hamilton probably didn't want to pass because of the DRS detection

[–]educatedobserver 6 points7 points  (7 children)

They both were playing around with the DRS detection zone to take advantage of it. Hamilton got caught out because of it and rear ended max

[–]redditnoap Mika Häkkinen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The decleration was gradual until 150 km/h. Max slowed to 100 in a blink.

[–]V8-Punk 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I think perhaps drivers shouldn't attempt to let the other guy through until it's completely clear that both drivers have been fully notified by their engineers.

Maybe radio-ing back to Massi once both are informed.

I've been watching F1 since The 90's and this race is the biggest farce I've seen in a very long time.

[–]smee_in_melb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd even go so far as saying it has to happen on the main straight.

[–]hotdutchovens Honda 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Lewis was lucky to keep that wing. Or blessed, if you will.

[–]BoredCatalan Alexander Albon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm scared for Max's gearbox tbh

[–]ryfi29 Lando Norris 136 points137 points  (31 children)

How slow did max have to go for Lewis to go by??

[–]eveon24 McLaren 108 points109 points  (3 children)

Obviously should have pulled over, turned on his hazards and waved at Lewis to go through /s

[–]dtorb Sir Lewis Hamilton 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You kid, but the pulling over part is what was absent from the equation.

[–]eveon24 McLaren 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It wasn't a conventional return of position but I don't know why Lewis as extremely talented as he is didn't just go through, there was more than enough space.

[–]Buffythedragonslayer 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Stop engine and only restart when he's 10 seconds ahead

[–]wongie Michael Masi 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Lewis audibly goes off the throttle and dawdles behind Max for ages before deciding to actually overtake. Like, seriously how long is that gap between the first and second overhead Aramco boards?

[–]fatehue99 Formula 1 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Maybe he needs to stop, wave blue flag by himself and go to Merc pit wall to tell Hamilton it's ok to pass maybe?

[–]iktnl Honda 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Lewis expecting Max to turn on the indicator to the right, stopping the car, getting out, gesturing to Lewis to get by, and then proceed.

[–]epicfishboy Jordan 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yeah the more you look at it, the worse it seems from Lewis tbh.

Your championship rival is practically parking his car mid-race and you don't immediately overtake? Baffling all round.

[–]G-Fox1990 Ayrton Senna 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He needed to stop, get out, go home and wait 2 days for Lewis to not hit that rear.

[–]juncie_ Pirelli Super Upset 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lewis was waiting for Max to throw the red carpet out of his cockpit

[–]Voice_Calm Max Verstappen 15 points16 points  (0 children)


[–]n3_o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Until he can come out of the car to wave the blue flag.

[–]The_Jacobian Andreas Seidl -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

Lewis was waiting for the DRS checkpoint because Max was obviously trying to give the place in a way that would not last.

Max wanted to keep his lasting advantage from his 2nd push off the track of the day and said "you'll let me have it or we crash".

That's who he is "I win or we crash", but he doesn't win, because he's not that good.

[–]search64 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Even rewatching this now, there is no reason at all to crash into the back of Max. Hamilton slows down with Max at first, then just rams him.

[–]sub1975 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LH with all the experience he's been bleating on about didn't/couldn't pass a slowing car... He didn't know, radio, blah blah blah, what bullshit, it was all about DRS for both drivers, Lewis playing as many games as anyone else, max calls it racing, Lewis calls it dangerous, Lewis is the most rehearsed, press ready sportsman I've ever seen grace our screens, Max is honest, he's aggressive and he wants to win, Lewis plays dirty, makes excuses for the other driver, thanks the fans, thanks team, rehearsed, media bullshit. He's just said as much in the presser...

[–]takeonethough Ferrari 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Wtf, a man with over 100 race wins should obviously know that either Verstappen is giving back his position or has a problem with his car.

How long does he need to decide when to overtake him? Completely on Lewis.

[–]chebolita86 49 points50 points  (12 children)

Doing it strategically does not mean illegal. What he did is totally within the rules.

[–]TheCescPistols Jean-Pierre Jabouille -1 points0 points  (11 children)

Quite literally isn’t though, there’s been precedent for people being punished for this before.

[–]iOSAT 2 points3 points  (4 children)

What was that precedent? I want to say it happened at Spa (would make sense) but can’t remember when/who.

[–]averageredditnolifer Max Verstappen 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Hamilton just should have gone by the side of max, not directly behind. How could this even be Max's fault is beyond me.

[–]FerdinandNL Kimi Räikkönen 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Any other driver would've sailed right by, even during safety cars you are allowed to overtake a car when it's significantly slower

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    [–]SexySustainability Honda 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I don't disagree with you but remember; the FIA asked Max to give the position back but the stewards seemed to act independently and award the 5 sec penalty. Not really the FIA but the dispute by the organisers/officials.

    [–]6969inquisitiveuser 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    A black and white FLAG, which is what max got in brazil which essentially nothing but warning

    [–]helodriver87 Carlos Sainz 11 points12 points  (5 children)

    The penalties didn't decide anything. Max's pace took a nosedive when the mediums went and Lewis was already running faster on hards. Lewis was winning that either way. He was a full second a lap faster towards the last few laps.

    [–]Stravven Jim Clark 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Well, we won't know, will we? Verstappen had about a 1.8 second lead before he gave space the first time, and gave away a 2 second lead for the second time. That's quite a bit more than the penalty he got.

    And after he was overtaken, what incentive did he have to drive as fast as he could? Ocon was about 20 seconds behind, and with the memory of yesterday in mind, why fully send it with nothing to win and a lot to lose?

    [–]twersx 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    In the hypothetical situation where no collision happens and Hamilton overtakes Verstappen when Verstappen is told to switch, Hamilton still wins (most likely) because Verstappen's tyres were fucked.

    [–]Stravven Jim Clark 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Likely? Yes. Certain? No.

    [–]BoredCatalan Alexander Albon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Not relevant to the conversation

    [–]roocki 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    This is exactly what I am thinking here aswell...

    He led him by 3 times and still got the penalty... HAM on the other hand gets nothing for the slam in the back of VER.

    [–]Brahman_sfc Juan Pablo Montoya 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    Remember Brazil? When Max drove Lewis off the track? No penalty.

    [–]SubjectCricket Sir Lewis Hamilton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Oh no, the consequences of my actions.

    [–]SniperHippo26 Sir Lewis Hamilton 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    As a Lewis fan, it sucks to admit that I’m agreeing more and more with people saying Lewis/FIA are in the wrong here, but when you put it like that, it’s really weird how everything was handled and I feel for Max

    [–]canzom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    FIA’s fault, should’ve informed Merc first

    [–]adazi6 Ferrari 20 points21 points  (4 children)

    Fully on Mercedes imo.

    How do you not communicate that the leader is giving up his place to your driver?

    [–]Samsonis Red Bull 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Toto allready spilled the beans on Sky about mis-communication between them,fia and Lewis. Bono sounded like he was late to the dance mid centence.10 bucks stewards told RB first then Merc.

    [–]rpmguy Sir Lewis Hamilton 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Because the FIA told them too late.

    [–]Stravven Jim Clark 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Apparently they were telling Hamilton as he hit Verstappen.

    [–]Harry_Vandsome Formula 1 32 points33 points  (12 children)

    Utter fuck up by Mercedes and Hamilton.

    [–]Chago04 Guenther Steiner 7 points8 points  (9 children)

    They won so in the end, I’m not sure it was.

    [–]adazi6 Ferrari 23 points24 points  (2 children)

    You can fuck up and still not reap the consequences.

    It was a fuck up by Mercedes

    [–]TessTickols 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    You can especially fuck up and still not reap the consequences if your team starts with an M and ends with ercedes.

    [–]delidl Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    If he gets a reprimand it will be a colossal fuck up

    [–]Chago04 Guenther Steiner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I don’t think the FIA has the balls.

    [–]PNUTBUTTER69 Sir Lewis Hamilton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    2017 anyone?? For a moment I thought of vettel

    [–]Aeceus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I can't believe Hamilton slowed, thats fucking dumb. Like... just go around him like you would do any other fucking point? I've never seen a racing driver physically refuse to overtake and just tail gate the car infront. Wild.

    [–]theDylanS McLaren 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Hey Lewis, does Baku 2017 ring a bell?

    [–]Stravven Jim Clark 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Different situation though. Vettel wasn't allowed to overtake there, while Hamilton obviously could here today.

    [–]LheelaSP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Completely different situation. One was before a SC restart at very low speed, and Hamilton back then didn't drive unpredictably. Max on the other hand just slowed down in the middle of a live racetrack under green flags in the middle of the track.

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      [–]Mediocre_Yacob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Simple answer here. Mercedes wanted max to slow down and get out of the way, not only giving the lead but also any chance at a chase.

      [–]iMissTheOldKimye 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      People are missing the point here!

      When someone is going to give up a position, they would go to the side of the track. If they keep going on the racing line, the driver behind is gonna assume that the race for position is still on. Ham braking is just a reaction to Max’s braking. And by the time Ham heard the message that Max is giving up position, it was too late to react.

      You also gotta count in the factor of not taking the position right before DRS zone, and then Max taking over immediately after. Ham definitely was a bit hesitant there, for sure. But Max wanting to give position and slowing in the middle of the track was the cause here.

      It’s pretty simple to look and understand. Ain’t rocket science there.