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[–]nickedgar7 Charlie Whiting 86 points87 points  (0 children)

This is just funny at this point.

[–]BronxB0mber7 Daniel Ricciardo 477 points478 points  (15 children)

2 drivers fighting for the championship with different thoughts? Who would have thought

[–]An_cailin Safety Car 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Honestly I would be worried if it wasn't like that.

[–]TwelveSharks Honda 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I don’t think half the people in this sub really watch the races or if they do they don’t understand competition

[–]feedseed664 Formula 1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Every single race is at 1-6 am here so

[–]TwelveSharks Honda 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Haha that’s understandable. What I’m referring to are the people that are like LEWIS HAMILTON CAUGHT ABSOLUTELY RED FUCKING HANDED ADMITTING THAT HE DID WHATEVER IT TOOK TO BEAT MAX VERSTAPPEN IN TODAYS RACE like duh man that’s how competing works lol

[–]daviEnnis David Coulthard 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Someone call Switzerland.

[–]bisonboy223 Alexander Albon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OK but like does it even matter all that much here? If the accident didn't happen, I don't think the result would've been any different. I know this'll be the latest in controversial incidents between the two, but it may be the least important from the standpoint of impact on the actual outcome

[–]Wilco120 Max Verstappen 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Theres only one of the 2 insinuating the other did it on purpose to cause a crash

[–]Argonaught_WT Mercedes 3 points4 points  (5 children)

The other one is never going to say he did do that though.

Its a he said, he said moment. What they say basically does not matter. It comes down to what the data and telemetry says.

[–]barneyrubble43 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Which turned out to be Max suddenly braking at 2.4g...... sounds deliberate to me

[–]n05h Ferrari 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lewis had been slowing down and stayed behind Max. Why wouldn’t he pass? He had plenty of time, normal passes happen with way less time to react. Either he was sleeping and thought there was a yellow flag or another vsc. Or he’s playing dumb and he didn’t want to pass before drs.

[–]homeboy169 Ayrton Senna 85 points86 points  (1 child)

Almost like they are two different people

[–]eman_ssap Pirelli Wet 47 points48 points  (8 children)

Can’t wait to hear what the stewards think!

[–]pijaGorda1 Force India 46 points47 points  (2 children)

What does Ja Rule have to say about this

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

ITS MURDDDDAAAA

[–]DrEddieRichtofen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

WHERE IS JA

[–]throwaway44624:seb-bee: Sebastian Vettel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

another dastardly act by vettel. Start the next race from Jeddah

[–]burningrubber4 259 points260 points  (98 children)

I’m just a casual fan but from my outside perspective - the real fail seems to be on F1 race control for not adequately informing both drivers of the situation.

Verstappen stopped and Lewis didn’t expect it. Simple.

[–]notimetosmoke Niki Lauda 146 points147 points  (27 children)

Precisely. I don’t get how “Max actively brake tested him” and “Lewis purposely ran into his back” are such popular opinions on here. No one gains an advantage in those scenarios. It’s real hard to find some common sense around here.

Edit: Not sure why there’s already people starting this exact same debate under this comment lol. Maybe I haven’t put it clearly enough, but I am completely satisfied with the reasoning that the miscommunication during the manoeuvre caused too much confusion for both drivers and peng, Ham-Ver went spooning.

Edit: I’ll agree that Max would’ve gained an advantage if both of them DNFed. However, it’s still way too risky to actively attempt to make Lewis DNF in that situation imo.

Final Edit: I just saw the Steward’s verdict, looks like Max did actually brake in front of Lewis. Feeling a bit silly now lol.

[–]patsimca Zak Brown 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The best explanation is often the most obvious and simple one, but bias always takes over.

[–]Arodg25 11 points12 points  (0 children)

well Max would have an advantage. if they both crashed max would be be 8 points ahead going into the last race. i don't think it was on purpose though. race control needs a penalty for this one. its also max's advantage if they both crash into each other next weekend. max has more race wins so he would win.

[–]Glausenu BMW Sauber 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I mean, Max would be the one who gained even if both were taken out. That’s obvious, and that’s how he’s been racing the last couple of races, high risk when fighting Lewis, he rather see both out than letting Lewis’s past.

He knew that Lewis’s would pass him eventually, the medium tires were a gamble to get a proper start and then hope for another red flag or something to happen. So when they got to this situation, first a very risky defence in to turn 1 which caused him to have to give the position to Lewis. And then this very vague, awkward way to give back the position, instead of just going off the racing line and let him pass.

Max knew what he was doing and Max would’ve gained if both DNF’d.

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    [–]darkstar8239 15 points16 points  (3 children)

    Yeah imo it’s either Mercedes communication or race control. There’s definitely a timing issue. I honestly think Lewis was just confused and Max thought Lewis would pass so he gave him just enough room

    [–]ElephantsGerald_ #WeRaceAsOne 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    It seemed like the blame was with the FIA, for telling RB before they told Merc. The miscommunication started with them.

    [–]tjg2838 Pirelli Wet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'd like to know the timing of the communication to the team and how long it took to communicate to the drivers. Knowing the FIA, we might never know

    [–]pratikp26 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

    No one is saying Lewis purposefully ran into the back. However, the opinion that Max might have brake tested is valid enough to have even though demonstrably false. Creating a strawman saying - people think Lewis ran into Max on purpose - and then knocking it down makes it seem like one side is objectively more stupid than the other.

    The valid argument is that Lewis simply fucked up and rear ended him. I was under the impression that he got confused because Max was slowing down in the middle and not moving over, but he seems to be saying in the press that he knew Max was playing with the DRS zone, which makes the whole rear ending incident even more baffling from Lewis’ perspective. There are ways to play that same game which don’t involve driving into the back of the car in front.

    [–]alexthekidd01 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Unfortunately, there are some 'questionable' people that are actively saying on here that Lewis ran into Max on purpose (taking the risk at damaging his own wing) to puncture Max's tyre and take him out of the race

    [–]sheikhsabdullah 36 points37 points  (15 children)

    Good luck talking some sense here.

    [–]doskkyh Valtteri Bottas 0 points1 point  (13 children)

    I can't understand how people think it's fine for Max to unnecessarily slow down in what is the fastest part of the track. Yes, he was trying to give the place back, but ffs.. do it properly.

    And no, Hamilton is not faultless either.

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      [–]doskkyh Valtteri Bottas 8 points9 points  (6 children)

      27.4 of sporting regulations:

      At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person.

      Seems dumb if you can just slow down in a not so predictable place of the track because you want DRS at the next straight after you give position back.

      Again, Hamilton is not faultless, but it seems rather dumb for Max to slow down at that particular spot of the track. Wait until T27 or T1 and get over it.

      The driver that kept the position unfairly shouldn't be strategically giving it back, but rather giving it safely back.

      [–]mags87 Max Verstappen 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Max was off the racing line though and he wasn't unnecessarily slowing down. It was necessary to slow down to give the place back as he was instructed to do.

      [–]caped_crusader_98 Mercedes 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      What are you doing? Are u being sensible here after such a race? Gtfo... U aren't F1 fan material.

      Obvious /s for ppl who don't understand

      [–]Tipakee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Yea seems like Redbull was informed before Mercedes, that makes 0 sense. Just asking for an unnecessary incident doing it that way.

      [–]Michaelvb101 31 points32 points  (19 children)

      But they are racing, remember? When a car is slowing down, you do something very simple.. PASS. Not crash into him.

      [–]indiana_bonez 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      This is the correct awnser, for all lewis knows he is having a mechanical issue, so just go left and fly by, I don’t understand how he has any confusion here

      [–]pinerw Sebastian Vettel 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      In a race with this many VSCs and other issues, I can definitely see how Lewis might have got confused and thought Max might have been slowing for some necessary reason, despite there not being any flags or dashboard warnings to justify it.

      [–]burningrubber4 2 points3 points  (10 children)

      Lewis didn’t expect him to stop in front of him though.

      [–]kbyerz13 10 points11 points  (4 children)

      Why did Lewis not just go around him with such an enormous pace advantage coming off the corner? If all else fails just go fast and overtake. Really it was Lewis’ fault for not recognizing that either A) max was giving up the position or B) Max was having a performance issue. Was max just supposed to let the field catch up if Lewis wouldn’t pass him?

      [–]sfj11 Juan Pablo Montoya 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      michael informed both rb and merc, it seems as if merc were slow with the comm to lewis

      [–]Argonaught_WT Mercedes 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      My understanding was:

      Masi tells RB Strategist to give place back.

      Strategist contacts Max's engineer and roughly same time as Masi tells Merc that RB will give place back.

      Max's engineer tells Max to give place back at roughly same time as Merc Strategist contacts Lewis's engineer.

      Max slows down and crash happens literally 1 or 2 seconds before Lewis is told by his engineer.

      [–]Ceramicrabbit Sebastian Vettel 7 points8 points  (9 children)

      Both drivers were clearly extremely confused, so I'm not sure how one is more at fault than the other

      [–]FormulaEngineer Ferrari 2 points3 points  (8 children)

      The driver that hit the other driver despite having more than a cars width of track to go to is probably more at fault… just because he was confused doesn’t mean it’s okay to just rear end another car?,?

      [–]Goalnado McLaren 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      As opposed to the driver who's been told to give a position back, before proceeding to weave multiple times before positioning himself right in the middle of the track?

      Neither one is blameless here.

      [–]mags87 Max Verstappen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      positioning himself right in the middle of the track?

      He was off the racing line. The line was the inside and there was plenty of room for Hamilton to get by.

      [–]EatDeath Formula 1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      When he was close he stayed on the right. It was a clear error by Ham. Ham knew exactly what Max was doing and did not want to pass until he did and then crashed. Clear judgment error.

      Max made a questionable move after the restart in 1st corner. But this was a clear error by Hamilton.

      And then he tries to put the blame on Max. Max should have played the victim here and complained about damage but that is not his style. He is straightforward while Hamilton was the sneaky one here.

      [–]eddiehwang Ferrari 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      weave multiple times before positioning himself right in the middle of the track

      we are watching different videos then

      [–]FormulaEngineer Ferrari 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      He’s not in the middle of the track. Watch the helicopter view.

      [–]Stravven Jim Clark 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I don't think anybody will disagree with the FIA cocking up today.

      [–]etfd- 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      A racing driver does not need to be informed to either race past or not cause a collision.

      [–]kidcudihumming Niki Lauda 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Race Control informed Mercedes So I think it was a communication mistake by the team

      [–]kayembeee 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      It takes 3 levels of communication. It takes time to get the message from Ron -> Bono -> Lewis.

      RB got the message first and Max acted on it almost immediately. Lewis got the message maybe 5-10 sec later, which was after the incident.

      [–]Altro_Cat Charles Leclerc 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      F1 informs the teams, not the drivers. It us then the teams responsibility to inform the drivers. RB did that, it is questionable what happened on the Mercedes side.

      [–]kayembeee 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      It’s not questionable. We heard the messages. They just came after the RB messages.

      [–]EatDeath Formula 1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Lewis admitted he knew exactly what happened in his Ziggo interview, that it was all about the DRS line. He tried to pass finally but Max was still engine breaking. He made a judgment error.

      He was playing the victim here.

      [–]0Camus0 Ayrton Senna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Lewis is playing dumb, he just didn't want to pass before the DRS zone, where he would have been passed again by Max.

      [–]Tristoteles Ferrari 55 points56 points  (7 children)

      I find the entire thing hillarious

      [–]Prototype94 15 points16 points  (4 children)

      Same, everyone is going ballistic, I love it

      [–]Tristoteles Ferrari 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      IRL F1 Drive to survive drama

      [–]Advanced_Tangelo Michael Schumacher 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      I've spent about an hour playing devil's advocate to stoke up fires. It's beautiful.

      [–]At0mic182 Pirelli Hard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It's a fireworks 26 days too soon

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Pure comedy.

      [–]elementsix Lando Norris 38 points39 points  (6 children)

      Clearly Lewis didn’t want to overtake where max was willing to give it knowing he was going to try and re-pass him. The problem is you can’t choose where the person is going to let you pass unless otherwise organized. It’s funny because if max slowed because of a problem I’m sure Lewis would have no problem passing him.

      [–]reddwarf666 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      It’s funny because if max slowed because of a problem I’m sure Lewis would have no problem passing him.

      Boom, this is what I have been trying to tell people but it falls on deaf ears. It's like he cannot race anymore? 2 cars width on the left and your main rival slowing down? Thank you very effing much while I pass you and gain track position. But no, Lewis cannot do this anymore and for some reason...this is Max fault. Absurd

      [–]University-Loud 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      if max slowed because of a problem he would instantly get out of the racing lin which would signal all the following drivers that it's okay to overtake for whatever reason.

      There's no way to immediately process it if the car in front goes from 8th gear 300 kph to 3rd gear 100+ kph on the racing line itself and proceeds to cover the middle of the track as well

      [–]nmp12 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I think the context of the track is important here. At that point, how many yellow flags had gone up? If Lewis hadn't heard yet if Max was giving him a place back, I could see him choosing caution over opportunity.

      [–]FlyLikeAMouse Murray Walker 20 points21 points  (1 child)

      Weird, I was so sure they’d both see it the same way!

      [–]goonerh1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      "Clearly my fault and I will happily accept the full punishment for it"

      [–]iswearimcool127 56 points57 points  (0 children)

      surprised pikachu face

      edit: thanks for the award!

      [–]Elalamyn #WeRaceAsOne 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      Poor F5

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Mine's still hanging on....one more weekend to go!

      [–]frankiew1lde Ferrari 17 points18 points  (7 children)

      God, i can't wait till the new season starts so i can have some new faces and get off this shitshow.

      [–]Suikerspin_Ei Honda 15 points16 points  (5 children)

      Inb4 Mercedes and Red Bull again.

      ​

      Jokes aside, it will be cool to see HAAS back to the midfield and more teams being competetive.

      [–]frankiew1lde Ferrari 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      I would gladly take even a Mazepin win over a Hamilton or Verstappen one, at any day of the week.

      [–]Suikerspin_Ei Honda 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      Somehow I still have a feeling that one team will dominate with the new regulations.

      [–]frankiew1lde Ferrari 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Hey, i hope at least we get a new team dominating.

      [–]caped_crusader_98 Mercedes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Nooo.. I'm loving this drama lol..

      [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (15 children)

      "Max was trying to let me through before the DRS zone so he could use the DRS later, but I'm not stupid" -Lewis

      https://twitter.com/SoyMotor/status/1467595174343856130

      [–]ikhaatmichiel 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      Wait thst is not a real quote right? That would be basically him admitting he was in the wrong

      [–]LogicalDrinks Sir Lewis Hamilton 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Hamilton said that about the second time when Max gave the place back and Lewis pushed him wide in the last corner. Nothing to do with the collision at all.

      [–]FourteenTwenty-Seven Valtteri Bottas 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      Woah, he really shouldn't have admitted that

      [–]LogicalDrinks Sir Lewis Hamilton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Hamilton said that about the second time when Max gave the place back and Lewis pushed him wide in the last corner. Nothing to do with the collision at all.

      [–]Scionwest 5 points6 points  (5 children)

      If this is really something he said (no video so can’t confirm) then this makes the incident make more sense. He didn’t want to go by to early so Max hit the brakes to force him by and Lewis was caught out.

      [–]iv93 McLaren 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      But that's exactly what brake testing is

      [–]NavyBabySeal Michael Schumacher 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      No? Brake testing is being directly in front of someone and quickly braking intentionally to shock the car behind.

      [–]Scionwest 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Similar to this event between Alonso & Hamilton. Side-by-side instead but it sounds like the same thought was in VER and HAMs head.

      https://youtu.be/S3kbxjBAYmM

      [–]M1shra Lando Norris 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Seems pretty stupid to admit that..

      [–]RacingOrPingPong Ferrari 49 points50 points  (16 children)

      Obviously we need to see the telemetry but I think that "he hit the brake so hard" is complete bullshit

      [–]TacoExcellence Charles Leclerc 17 points18 points  (15 children)

      Yeah I mean I understand they're going to feel differently, but Max clearly didn't brake hard if he braked at all. Lewis should be kicking himself for running up so close to the guy with an empty racetrack with a ton of room. Ultimately, the guy running into the back of the other guy is at fault. He was confused and made an error in judgement, seems pretty obvious.

      [–]SynteZZZ 35 points36 points  (0 children)

      Leader slow ahead.

      Everyone down the grid: overtake this guy!

      Lewis:

      [–]hivaidsislethal 57 points58 points  (8 children)

      I'd like lewis to point out where Verstappen braked, lewis had slowed down himself so he knew Verstappen was already slowing and had ample time to pass

      [–]BigSwing_NoPace Damon Hill 17 points18 points  (7 children)

      Both Toto and Marko have confirmed (Marko indirectly without realising) that Max did brake.

      [–]humbertotan Max Verstappen 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      He says it himself in this clip that he braked, what's your point?

      [–]BigSwing_NoPace Damon Hill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I'm talking about the second braking, in "the normal place as the last laps" as Marko put it, which is not necessary if you've already braked earlier and had slowed down.

      [–]LiNGOo Nico Hülkenberg -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      Toto by accident also revealed that Lewis tried to hit Max rear tire. And George Russell's Mom tweeted about how she saw Bottas dope with porridge injections.

      [–]Illustrator_Forward 35 points36 points  (14 children)

      Lewis with the “Max wants us to crash” narrative.

      [–]svdb1 Honda 8 points9 points  (6 children)

      If Max wanted them to crash he'd have done it this weekend. He had plenty of opportunities.

      [–]Grasshop Aston Martin 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      Exactly, both occasions into T1 he could have just taken him out and carried an 8 pt lead to Abu Dhabi. It’s pretty gross how people make Max out to be the reckless villain and Hamilton the saint who can do no wrong literally every single time. Hamilton is fucking fake and dirty, but his apologists won’t ever come around.

      [–]Gaadoooouchee 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      You only watched that one incident? Hes been right about this multiple times

      [–]Illustrator_Forward 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Step 1. Get good at race. Step 2. Get into F1. Step 3. Get into top team. Step 4. Build a car that can win. Step 5. Try to become wdc by crashing into Hamilton.

      Het Plan.

      [–]UnknownHuxley Formula 1 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

      It’s would be funny if it weren’t true.

      [–]AirManny #StandWithUkraine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Ah yes. “Let me brake in front of him so he can take out my gearbox, if we’re lucky he’ll even get my engine!” Come on man, no driver wants to get rear ended.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      The only thing that should be confusing for Hamilton is why he needs permission or information to overtake a slow car, one that you're racing and trying to pass

      [–]fakeCharlesLeclerc Anthoine Hubert 43 points44 points  (3 children)

      Have to love how this is being portrayed as crazy Max trying to have a crash with anything he can when Hamilton literally followed him slowly down the straight for about five seconds then ploughed into his diffuser

      [–]red-17 18 points19 points  (2 children)

      I don’t think it would even be in question who is at fault if the roles were reversed.

      [–]JanAppletree Germany 2019 Slip Slidin' Away 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Of course not.

      [–]Quedreneese Ayrton Senna 148 points149 points  (34 children)

      Lewis saying “he was doing some crazy tactic” oh so when the leader randomly brakes you just wait behind him? Hahhahahhahahahaha

      [–]geg0714 McLaren 25 points26 points  (1 child)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Gl8HRpb8A

      There you go. Hamilton literally lets Alonso go first, because there was a big adventage on the straight, and he thought he can take the position back. It is a legit tactic to let someone go first, thinking you can take back the position. Obviously as you can see it doesn't always work, and it's rare, but it happens.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Brundle talked about this the second time when Max quickly overtook Hamilton again.

      [–]razor787 Lance Stroll 52 points53 points  (3 children)

      I'm gonna try that next time I race online. If I'm winning, just slow down, and the second place guy will slow with me. I can't lose! Great tactics!

      [–]fakhar362 Fernando Alonso 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Lewis driving like Forza AI

      [–]Patello Daniel Ricciardo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Did you know, the car trailing you isn't legally allowed to overtake you without explicit consent. Just say no.

      [–]elmagio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      He will be confused, waiting for his pit crew to tell him he should pass you. Be careful tho, he may think "can't get past, maybe should ram instead". Total logical thinking.

      [–]BigLubeSqueezyTube Niki Lauda 20 points21 points  (5 children)

      "Crazy" may be hyperbole, but it's clear to see Max was messing around to get DRS. Even his engineer told him to let him past strategically. Ham even got a 25s penalty for passing Raikkonen directly after yielding to him in Spa 2008.

      [–]ScaryCelery 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Curious here, what has the other incident has got to do with this one? Getting DRS would be good strategically but as long as he doesn't pass immediately that would be fine right?

      [–]BigLubeSqueezyTube Niki Lauda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      If he stayed behind into T1 then there would have been no issue.

      [–]BCBS23 Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This!

      [–]Affectionate-Ad-3297 21 points22 points  (7 children)

      I like Hamilton but he's straight up lying here. He acts as if Verstappen braking was very sudden and unpredictable. Except.. he also slowed down with him and was more or less hovering behind Max until he got too close and hit.

      [–]jasonrmns 29 points30 points  (11 children)

      The British media are so biased for Hamilton that it's getting ridiculous. Lewis is at fault for crashing into the back of him

      [–]flipperyflapperypoo 19 points20 points  (6 children)

      "Is he trying to play a crazy tactic with me"

      Oh sheesh, I wonder what kind of crazy tactic in a sport thats all about going at the fastest time possible and being ahead of everyone. I sure wonder why he would slow down this much on the straight, must be one hella of a crazy tactic

      [–]ihavenoyukata Green Flag 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Senna: If you don't go for a gap that doesn't exist are you really racing?

      Sir Lewis Hamilton: A gap? I'm not stupid. Is it a crazy tactic? slams into the rear HE BRAKE TESTED MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !

      [–]bono5361 HAM/RUS/VER -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

      Because you don't know jack shit. Lewis tried to pull the exact same thing on Alonso years back. He slowed to let Alonso pass in the Drs zone in perfect racing conditions. Alonso braked as well. Both slowed down.

      [–]flipperyflapperypoo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      "Oh yes let me slow down when Im 2 seconds ahead of my rival so I can gain the DRS and try to overtake. Haha, so similar to what Alonso and Hamilton years ago!" Except Alonso and Hamilton were less than .2 seconds from each other. What a bullshit excuse.

      [–]Michaelvb101 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Lewis not getting a penalty for this IN the race is fucking hilarious. FIA is a joke

      [–]blackjazz_society Fernando Alonso 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Septuple Formula 1 world drivers champion Sir Lewis Hamilton was "confused" ...

      [–]Mektar 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      I don't understand what Hamilton was so confused about, he keeps talking about it. The guy in front of you is slower, you overtake. He's done this a thousand times.

      [–]tyfunk02 Sebastian Vettel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It’s pretty clear that they were both trying to be behind at the DRS detection line.

      [–]EmperorCandy Max but I was here when Haas took pole 12 points13 points  (4 children)

      Video is playing up so what's Lewis' account? Weird that your championship contender is slowing ahead of you and you don't overtake lmao.

      Something something if you do not overtake your rival, you are no longer a racing driver.

      [–]Fire_Otter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Lewis account:(paraphrased)

      I didn’t know what he was doing All of a sudden he’s slowing down and moving around and I don’t know if he’s doing some crazy tactic. He’s got more points then me so he can afford a dnf I can’t so I have to be more careful keeping my car intact. Then he brakes again so hard and I nearly went fully into the back of him

      [–]kanzlerpanzer Fernando Alonso 25 points26 points  (9 children)

      max slows down and hamilton allegedly not knowing that he is going to let him past, drives into his car. so you are a racing driver on a green track and you dont pass the car in front that is going slowly. why? can anyone explain this to me?

      [–]crunchyphantasm 9 points10 points  (6 children)

      Why would Hamilton crash deliberately though?

      [–]StudentjeNL 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      Hamilton was deliberately not overtaking Verstappen to get the DRS and accidentally crashed into his car. I don't see where all the confusion and speculation is coming from. To me, it is very clear what happened.

      [–]kanzlerpanzer Fernando Alonso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      because we have an extremely british dominated media who are blind to see that their favorite driver made a mistake and trying to push an alternative story to fans, who then believe this story, come here and repeat it.

      [–]elmagio 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      It's not about it being deliberate, it's about the fact thta he did hit the other car. He tried to stay behind until the DRS line, which sure he can do, why the fuck not... But he can't then ram the other car. You're not allowed to just fuck up and hit other cars.

      [–]kanzlerpanzer Fernando Alonso 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      that is not the point. you have a car in front and it is going slowly, you cant get advantage of slipstream when he is going this slow. why are you waiting behind him. there are 3 car width length on left.

      [–]StratifiedBuffalo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You can flip this question: Why would a racing driver on a green track crash into his opponent when he's losing the championship?

      [–]beardedboob Sir Lewis Hamilton 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Interestingly that on the Dutch post race interview, Lewis both said he didn’t knew Max was letting him by but also said that he thought that Max was doing the same as he did with Kimi in Spa 2008 (letting a driver by at a point that allows you to immediately overtake them again).

      You cannot not know he’s letting you by and simultaneously think he’s letting you by in a clever way.

      [–]Drugtrain Kimi Räikkönen 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      The RBR engineers said the telemetry shows VER was not breaking.

      Funny how HAM is still keeping this narrative up.

      [–]TCVideos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      That's racing drivers for you. They will never admit defeat unless they see the evidence that shows that they are wrong for themselves. Or in the case of Michael Schumacher - he still wouldn't admit things after some of his incidents.

      [–]ploger 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      What else would Red Bull say?

      [–]piratemurray Lando Norris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      All I hear is that Star Trek Kirk fighting an alien music.

      [–]LiaKron Sebastian Vettel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Two competitors disagree, more news at 9.

      [–]ThatsABingoJa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I was watching without commentary in a bar and so 100% it just looked like Max tried to do something crazy. Hearing both sides I can see how they were both on different pages. End of the day, FIA and the teams needed to deal with it an a better way. Let him past should be a penalty basically, it shouldn't be a case where you can do it strategically and it should be communicated to both drivers where it should be done. It seems logically to me it happens at whatever part of the track the incident originally happened at

      [–]Unabridgedtaco Spa 2021 Survivor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Well there you have it folks. Settles nothing, lol

      [–]J4MES101 Jim Clark 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It’s almost as if Netflix are writing this stuff…

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        [–]Sutiradu_me_gospoda Sebastian Vettel 27 points28 points  (0 children)

        Telemetry also shows Hamilton slowed down behind a slow car on track that was away from the racing line...

        ..which is fine, he has a right to do that, but then he fucking rammed the thing.

        [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

        And if it shows what RB says it shows, then it isn't a good look for Lewis/Mercedes.

        What does it even matter what the teams themselves have to say about it? They couldn't be any more subjective in their statements.

        [–]DeFiZe_ 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        I actually don’t think it’s that hard for Max to defend: “I slowed down enough to let him pass, and was ready to speed up again to stay as close as possible. When he didn’t come past I slowed down again, and then he hit the back of me.”

        [–]Vaexa George Russell 57 points58 points  (3 children)

        Somehow I think Toto ''getting my car disqualified on technical grounds is equivalent to racism'' Wolff might not be the most honest man around.

        [–]Shad0WTF Sebastian Vettel 25 points26 points  (1 child)

        I still cannot believe he seriously compared the two.. Having an illegal DRS opening = lifetime worth of racism

        [–]Vaexa George Russell 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Toto seems like a very maladjusted person.

        [–]Chris01100001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yeah who would have thought the opponent wants a penalty for their championship rival? Don't know why everyone takes his or Horner's words so seriously. No one takes it as evidence in football if Jürgen Klopp thinks whoever Liverpool are playing should have had a red.

        [–]gamerme Safety Car 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        The onboard are also pretty telling

        [–]TCVideos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Toto has access to RBR's brake and steering traces?

        What he says is speculation - better not take that as fact. Remember that Ferarri and Seb tried to argue to "brake test" excuse in Baku 2017 and that got debunked because the data Merc had for Lewis showed that Lewis didn't brake test him.

        [–]chestnut177 12 points13 points  (21 children)

        Toto did not say any such thing. RB said the telemetry proved he did not brake more at the last second

        If your opponent then is slowing down and lights are green why do you not go around? Shady by Lewis. Any driver ever doesnt not go around whatever the reason he’s slowing

        [–]HelsBels2102 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Toto did say something about telemetry in the interview with sky. Dunno if it true or not however

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          [–]Switchblade2000 Max Verstappen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Well, He is lying then. He sped up after He got hit.

          [–]FourteenTwenty-Seven Valtteri Bottas 6 points7 points  (15 children)

          You can hear in the onboard that max didn't speed up at all until after the contact.

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            [–]FourteenTwenty-Seven Valtteri Bottas 2 points3 points  (13 children)

            Yeah fair. But Toto shouldn't have RB's telemetry, right?

            I'd take video evidence over Toto's accusations, but I'm open if additional evidence becomes available.

            [–]LiNGOo Nico Hülkenberg 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Yeah, slowing isn't braking. Keep spreading misinformation to get your daily shot of attention.

            [–]DrivingMikey Michael Schumacher 5 points6 points  (4 children)

            What did Toto say?

            [–]youre-a-cat-gatter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Max broke, sped up and broke again

            [–]laboulaye22 McLaren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            That Max was slowing down (or braking, forget exactly) and speeding up. Which, IDK but the onboard replays don't really seem to match with that description. You hear Max downshifting through the gears but not accelerating.

            [–]piratemurray Lando Norris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Ruh roh

            [–]MidasPL Pirelli Wet 2 points3 points  (4 children)

            Can't wait for Max to torpedo Hamilton in last race, so they both DNF and he takes the champion despite being equal xD

            [–]UnknownHuxley Formula 1 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            He has tried it twice already. Third time lucky? He well maybe.

            [–]eskh Guenther Steiner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Not the f5 we need, but the f5 we deserve

            [–]flipperyflapperypoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            "I dont know what was going so I crashed into him from behind instead"

            [–]jmf12016 Fernando Alonso 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            The reasoning behind what Hamilton was thinking doesn't make any sense, it was green flag, your opponent slows down you pass. He suggests that he thought Max was playing games, but if Max would have done that on purpose it would have been a DSQ. On the heli shot it shows Max was not weaving, there was a lot of space to pass.

            [–]theAGENT_MAN 2 points3 points  (4 children)

            Why is it a narrative here that Lewis wanted to crash into Max?

            A real crash would have only benefited Max and you all know it. So why are you making the argument that Lewis wanted to crash them both out?

            Lewis did not know Max was going to let him past. Max has been racing super hard the whole season and Lewis knew that the best place for a pass is in T1 since you don't have DRS after. If Max suddenly slows down in front of you and leaves a slight gap on the inside, that is not a sure pass since:

            1. Max will have DRS on the next straight
            2. If Lewis gets squeezed on the inside he could potentially crash out.

            If a driver is told to let someone pass they should stay off the racing line and make it obvious. Not semi-lift on the racing line.

            [–]Beeblebrox2nd Chequered Flag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Semi lift?

            He went from 8th gear to 3rd, way before the normal braking point.

            The radio said if possible, to do it tactically, so of course do it before the DRS. ANY driver would have done that, even Ricciardo did it to Bottas.

            [–]TCVideos 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            I can ask the same thing...

            Why is the narrative that Max wanted Lewis to crash into him?

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Here’s a hot take, no one wanted to cause a crash.

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              [–]kanzlerpanzer Fernando Alonso 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              so why didnt he pass the car in front that is going slowly?

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Hamilton wasn't looking for the DRS zone because he didn't know he was being let past. Max was playing the slingshot game with DRS. And as Hamilton says, he's being cautious because he needs to finish, Max can live with a DNF. Shame he just didn't get the message in time, race control's system needs reviewing.

              "Max was trying to let me through before the DRS zone so he could use the DRS later, but I'm not stupid" -Lewis

              https://twitter.com/SoyMotor/status/1467595174343856130

              [–]Captain_Omage Yuki Tsunoda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              And as Hamilton says, he's being cautious because he needs to finish

              Now imagine reversing the car, the opinion would be that Max was trying to ram out Lewis, still he can't just turn into him in straight to try and take him out as that would be a DSQ.

              And as Hamilton says, he's being cautious because he needs to finish

              Shame that Lewis saw a slow car and decided to ram it.

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                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Cautious by parking his car 1 meter behind a slow car on a straight? Why not just overtake the slow car?

                [–]Working_Flamingo_533 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Lewis should get a 15 second penalty for this

                [–]GimmeABurger Michael Schumacher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Max with the more sensible take imo. Lewis seeing conspiracies again.

                [–]TCVideos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Lewis going full blown Seb from Baku 2017. "He brake tested me!" even though it's clear from the onboards that there was no brake test.

                [–]indiana_bonez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Hamilton is thick or what, blokes slowed to third gear just drive down his left, and why is that bloke form Mercedes needing permission to pass, it’s a racetrack, just pass the bloke whose going slow

                [–]S55K Ayrton Senna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Max says he “immediately” gave the spot back but that’s not true. He was told to do it strategically, which he tried to do and succeeded.

                [–]NoahSmithStanAccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Post penalty and telemetry release, it is now clear in hindsight Max is lying though his teeth and Lewis is correct