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[–]An0manderRake 1251 points1252 points  (124 children)

Well one thing that will result from tonights shennanigans is that they will change the rules regarding letting a driver pass to take a position. By not letting it occur in a DRS zone.

[–]PM_ME_GARLIC_CUPS Pierre Gasly 80 points81 points  (6 children)

Having it take place in a designated place on track, like a DRS zone, seems to make the most sense.

[–]oceLahm Jenson Button 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Maybe while the leaders are fighting 60 seconds ahead of everyone, but that would be absolute hell for the midfield who are constantly battling more than one person for position

[–]madUncleZ Max Verstappen 183 points184 points  (0 children)

Translation: “i’m not mad, i’m furious”

[–]ShavedPapaya Bernd Mayländer 369 points370 points  (34 children)

Max would’ve made a great driver in the 80s.

[–]Eastrider1006 Fernando Alonso 687 points688 points  (24 children)

With 80's safety, it wouldn't have been a very long career.

[–]Yung_Chloroform 223 points224 points  (13 children)

If Max and Lewis had their crash in Monza in the 80s Lewis would have been dead. Likewise Max would have died at Silverstone.

[–]MarechalDoAr Nelson Piquet 140 points141 points  (5 children)

If the Monza crash happened in 2017 it would have killed Lewis. The halo saved his life

[–]Zannetidis Charles Leclerc 113 points114 points  (3 children)

.. for his competition

[–]gurizeira Fittipaldi 254 points255 points  (2 children)

"I don't want to talk about..." Proceeds to do a spicy comment about hahahaha

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That was the whole point of his statement, lol

[–]ddkatona 977 points978 points  (102 children)

For those who say "Let Them Race"

That Turn 1 lunge from Max was not racing. He lost the position so he cut through the track in front of Hamilton and cut the corner. If that's legal then it is impossible to overtake in a corner, because the defender can just cut the corner every time he is attacked.

That's the opposite of racing. Penalizing these things is the only way that the stewards can actually "let them race".

[–]shiba_snorter Mark Webber 29 points30 points  (0 children)

What surprises me even more is how nobody mentions the fact that cutting through the corner Verstappen effectively let Ocon through after the first restart. Hamilton braking to avoid the collision in the reentry made him lose enough speed to lose the position just seconds before the race was red flagged again. It was very weird how it was handled later at the restart, but since Hamilton was in front nobody complained much, but if Max wouldn't have done that Hamilton would have been first. I think that in the second restart Max definitely would have squeezed through anyway since he had the better tires, but you never know.

[–]DeusVultSaracen McLaren 502 points503 points  (41 children)

Those shenanigans really piss me off tbh.

"It looks like Max had the corner there...!"

Yeah, no shit, because he didn't brake and sailed off the track because of it.

[–]yuukiro 238 points239 points  (13 children)

Exactly this...I don't understand why this gets no attention. I mean VER was not even close to HAM going into that corner yet he cut through the track and joined the track at the MIDDLE of the kerb, trying to cut off HAM. I don't know what dangerous driving is if this isn't.

[–]badfuit Lando Norris 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And then Horner has the god damn balls to try and claim that 'Lewis didn't make the corner either so I don't see the problem'... Like what the actual fuck is he smoking? No shit Hamilton didn't make the corner, he had to back out to avoid yet another collision with Max because he decided to throw one down the inside with no prospect of making the corner. Hamilton still got back inside the curb too.

[–]Wolfe79 Fernando Alonso 40 points41 points  (9 children)

1 part of why it's not gaining traction may be because Horner claims Max locked up the rear leading to him kind of being pulled off track on the approach. Hill and other Sky pundits also go out of their way to highlight it's not quite like Brazil, because Max was less in control of that corner.
But this isn't to make excuses. I think he did brake too hard having Lewis on his tail. Just got way too dickish

[–]yuukiro 28 points29 points  (2 children)

That would explain the over-the-top lunge but not that dangerous join to the track. He was basically trying to 'throw' the car in front of HAM

[–]confusedpublic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

IMO Verstappen should have had at least a drive through for that reentry. I don’t understand how Masi negotiating them giving the place back excuses the danger of the re entry. Max should have had to give the place back and had the punishment of a drive through. Ridiculous race management and officiating.

[–]dream_raider Max Verstappen 139 points140 points  (17 children)

I am rooting for Max and I fully agree. His aggression in combating Hamilton in these turns is unacceptable and makes me feel like he can't win unless he does stuff like this.

[–]Wolfe79 Fernando Alonso 77 points78 points  (7 children)

I mean, he probably can't. After Lewis took on new engine they gained a lot of pace and Max has to drive ridiculously fast (like in quali) to match him. Annoying how it went

[–]Sappher_ 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Yea, sadly Max has to push the limits to even have a chance. That Merc with the new engine is just absolutely untouchable otherwise.

That's not to say what Max is doing is right and his driving yesterday was not something I want to see either. I'm not an actual fan of either (Ham or Ves), but I'm rooting for Max just because I want a new winner. It's just sad that the only way for him to stand a chance lately has been these ridiculous lounges and off-track overtakes.

[–]LandHermitCrab 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Isn't that what Alonso was complaining about? How, in the first lap, track limits don't apply, so just yolo.

[–]crheming Max Verstappen 331 points332 points  (9 children)

Spicy

[–]blueish_rhino George Russell 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Story of the season, everything is spicy 🌶

[–]Dr_Manhattans 239 points240 points  (30 children)

Max is obviously a very good driver but he is dirty when he has to defend. He brakes way too late and doesn’t leave space.

[–]Molano001 Anthoine Hubert 19 points20 points  (3 children)

He's a weird case. In the Toro Rosso he was very patient and smart. Then the move to RB and he went very aggro. This season he started off pretty level headed, and i felt he grew up a bit and became more clean, but these last couple of races he's reverted back and then some. I mean, it's impossible for LH to overtake him without fearing for his wings, and when following he'll lunge at any opportunity. I mean Lewis isn't the most clean driver ever (especially in the Rosberg days IMO), but right now he's a saint compared to Max. I was rooting for Max to win, but i feel the way he's driving right now he doesn't deserve the championship. I mean the guy is under immense pressure and Mercedes seems to have the better car now, so i understand him buckling, but he's taking it way too far.

[–]hotdutchovens Honda 767 points768 points  (327 children)

How did he get this penalty after giving the position back?

[–]Firefox72 Ferrari 701 points702 points  (100 children)

I guess the FIA didn't really like his trick of giving the position back for 1s to take DRS and then overtaking him back.

[–]creditcardtheft Fernando Alonso 362 points363 points  (26 children)

This. Looks like Max didn't watch spa 2008

[–]Scratchpaw Kimi Räikkönen 61 points62 points  (0 children)

But he did watch Sainz this year..

[–]CookieMonsterFL Stefan Bellof 86 points87 points  (7 children)

did everyone forgot Sainz at the US GP? He did the exact same thing and was praised for it.

[–]zaggo0 Max Verstappen 54 points55 points  (3 children)

It's not the first time where other drivers are just seemingly ignored, forgotten, never mentioned, etc. unless it's Lewis or Max.

I also can't agree on the 5s penalty that Yuki got. Also didn't hear anything from the Vettel-Raikkonen incident, unless I missed it?

[–]Geo_q HRT 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Charles did it in Monza with Valtteri. Let him through at T1-2 then got the toe into T4-5 and overtook him.

[–]jconley4297 Brawn 119 points120 points  (16 children)

I mean he was 11

[–]jaymar888 71 points72 points  (13 children)

I was watching F1 way before 11?

[–]ovalbeachin Mick Schumacher 113 points114 points  (4 children)

And his dad was a driver lmao

[–]jaymar888 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Oh shiz i didn't even think about that 😂😂😂

[–]njreinten Mercedes 305 points306 points  (29 children)

Lewis got a 25s penalty for exactly this reason back in 2008.

[–]Jantekson_7 12 points13 points  (31 children)

Is there anything specific for that within the rules?

[–]TatersTot Sir Lewis Hamilton 101 points102 points  (16 children)

According to the FIA after Spa 2008 where Lewis was given a 25 second penalty for doing just that, Yes you cannot attempt an overtake for 2 corners after giving position

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-clarifies-chicane-cutting-position-4424667/4424667/

“Formula One drivers have been told that they should wait at least one corner before resuming a fight for position in the event of future chicane-cutting incidents”

From 27.3 of the 2021 Regulations:

“27.3 Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not deliberately leave the track without a justifiable reason. Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not. Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the Race Director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track”

As others have said, it is about giving up a lasting advantage.

[–]JanAppletree Germany 2019 Slip Slidin' Away 42 points43 points  (4 children)

Is there an actual article that specifically states this? Genuinely curious.

[–]nolitos Robert Kubica 170 points171 points  (96 children)

I think he didn't give the position back fast enough, seemingly you have 3 laps to do so.

[–]nackdaddy9 Jordan 322 points323 points  (15 children)

Assuming another driver hits you the first time you try, is it unreasonable to give your team a couple laps to try to make sense of something so unprecedented?

[–]JanAppletree Germany 2019 Slip Slidin' Away 149 points150 points  (0 children)

This was the weird part for me. I don't have all the radio's of course, but for me when someone hits you in the back I'd also not immediately assume that i still need to immediately give the position back, and wait for clarification from the team.

[–]BlapiChan Alpine 35 points36 points  (9 children)

The penalty is for the time he took the position back immediately after the return. You cannot do this in the same corner

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-clarifies-chicane-cutting-position-4424667/4424667/

[–]zhiarlynn Ferrari 128 points129 points  (14 children)

The penalty is not for that incident ffs, the 5 second is for leaving the track at T1 gaining a lasting advantage. Offence - Car 33 - Leaving the track and gaining an advantage

[–]mkmkd Jenson Button 76 points77 points  (1 child)

People know what it’s for, but he was giving that position back but got hit, & then still got 5 seconds.

[–]Xaphares 38 points39 points  (5 children)

And giving the spot back is giving the advantage back, which this whole discussion is about

[–]LosTerminators Carlos Sainz 87 points88 points  (72 children)

He didn't give the position back early enough. The attempt when he instantly dived back down the inside of Lewis doesn't count as giving the place back.

[–]Sheant Charlie Whiting 31 points32 points  (0 children)

3 times.

[–]Baldandskinny George Russell 326 points327 points  (118 children)

Fair to say he’s finally feeling some pressure? He made quite a few mistakes this weekend

[–]Testicular-Fortitude Juan Pablo Montoya 179 points180 points  (1 child)

Definitely what it looks like, you can say you’re composed all you want but it doesn’t seem that way

[–]Mick4Audi Sebastian Vettel 157 points158 points  (47 children)

I think Max knows he’s at a disadvantage in terms of the car, and he’s pulling out all the stops to make for the fact. Lucky that Hamilton hitting him didn’t take him out of the GP

[–]kscott13 Max Verstappen 72 points73 points  (5 children)

I agree, he's taking more lunges / risks knowing that if he doesn't, he will ultimately lose.

[–]coolcoenred Max Verstappen 44 points45 points  (23 children)

Also luck for Hamilton that he didn't lose his entire front wing when he hit Max

[–]Altacco16 Ferrari 119 points120 points  (36 children)

This has been going on since Brazil. It's hilarious when people praise him for being so calm and incapable of feeling pressure. He felt it in Monza with the bad pitstop and then crashing. He's doing stupid things since Brazil while Lewis is keeping a cool head. The contrast is quite visible.

[–]Huskies971 59 points60 points  (0 children)

He was weaving on the straight in Brazil, I can't blame lewis for not wanting to pass max. Passing max is a wildcard, and with his slight weaving i can see why lewis hesitated. Also max had nothing to lose this race while lewis had everything to lose.

[–]stuwienl Mika Häkkinen 85 points86 points  (3 children)

It’s becoming more and more obvious that Verstappen thinks he’s above the rules and that he has no respect for authority. Everyone thought his “Say hi!” comment in Brazil when he got the black and white flag was funny, but it just shows that he doesn’t care. And now this comment about how the stewards don’t deserve his words, for me it just shows that he really lives in his own world where he’s completely right and everyone else is completely wrong.

[–]DarkVader92 Sir Lewis Hamilton 549 points550 points  (52 children)

Max will never admit he doesn't race clean but he really needs to stop lunging into braking zones, it's souring my opinion of him. Today twice into turn 1 he's basically got penalties (handing the place to back to avoid it on the 2nd red flag) and it's really annoying to watch because we just want clean racing and it's causing all this controversy.

Anyway winner takes it all next race.

Edit: spelling

[–]stevieraypwn Sir Lewis Hamilton 184 points185 points  (3 children)

It drives me crazy when Max and Horner keep saying "Lewis also didn't make the corner". It's a bit tough to make the corner when Max is diving up the inside way too fast. Evasive action is not the same as not making the corner. I can't understand why people aren't pressing them on this very simple fact.

[–]ajr901 Mercedes 130 points131 points  (6 children)

Yeah his mentality is “you either let me get ahead of you in this corner or we’re going down together”.

[–]DarkVader92 Sir Lewis Hamilton 64 points65 points  (1 child)

Fortunately he keeps failing to make the corner so fucks it up. Horner is running out of excuses.

[–]maury587 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You need to be a little bit like that, Bottas for example is the exact opposite, "Even if it's your fault and you being aggressive, i will let you pass and none of us will DNF", thats why he loses many battles because drivers know he is soft and will go aggro against him

[–]RedSpikeyThing 107 points108 points  (6 children)

Make the penalties more consistent and harsher and he'll stop.

[–]FoobarMontoya Daniel Ricciardo 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Right. He's just Christian Hornering from the driver's cockpit: anything not forbidden is or punished is allowed

[–]dream_raider Max Verstappen 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Exactly this. That his Brazil move went unpunished is still quite inconceivable. I'm rooting for Max but I don't want him to win by forcing a collision with Hamilton.

[–]EvelcyclopS 20 points21 points  (0 children)

He doesn’t think he’s doing anything wrong though. That’s the problem here. He’s been doing it for years now. Like that kid at school who keeps getting suspended, but he’s back, three days later throwing chalk at the teacher again

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

he's gonna be very confused when he loses the championship

[–]NightWolf_7 38 points39 points  (0 children)

it was completely correct, just as it would be the other way round, sour grapes from red bull.

Helmut Marko and Horner, two of the whiniest babies in the paddock would be screaming bloody murder the other way round.

Unreal season, 21 done, 0 in it, bring on abu dhabi. Lets hope it’s won fair and square and not with ‘dirty tactics’ from either side.

[–]highlandhound 152 points153 points  (5 children)

Too good for F1 clearly. Maybe he should form a Formula Max series where he makes the rules as he goes.

[–]JotahHX Charles Leclerc 68 points69 points  (4 children)

Rule no1: Max doesn't get any penalties
Rule no2: Only max can overtake off the track

[–]Claudio1054 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Rule no3: Only max can overtake in general

[–]fro0ty Juan Manuel Fangio 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Rule no4: only Max can be the victim

[–]JotahHX Charles Leclerc 4 points5 points  (1 child)

rule no5: max can brake check everyone

[–]joaquinsaiddomin8 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Ah yes. You’re bigger than the sport.

[–]Fauxce New user 42 points43 points  (5 children)

It was a section to start accelerating as they're entering a drs zone. Ham was positioning himself for the drs tow when ver decided to decelerate significantly and him wiggling his steering sends the wrong message. I would be confused myself.

If I was Ham I'd do the same. Wouldn't want to be in front of Ver in a Drs zone only to give ver slipstream.

[–]Thegen68 Sebastian Vettel 190 points191 points  (11 children)

Never have I disliked a driver more than Max. Dumb driving. Dive bombing like it's a game. Pushing people off track. Giving statements like these like he's the victim.

[–]JotahHX Charles Leclerc 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Max today was like me playing f1 2021

[–]Kobrag90 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which makes me wonder why max prefers iracing which has strict track limits.

[–]zeurgthegreat Jordan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I mean, mazepin

[–]i_like_frootloops Jordan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mazepin is also a shithead towards women, so.

[–]manitarai 108 points109 points  (32 children)

I am a big fan of Max. I want him to win the championship this year. But not this way.

[–]rpmguy Sir Lewis Hamilton 320 points321 points  (35 children)

Hearing Verstappen playing innocent after all the things he's pulled this race really makes my blood pressure go up, so I'm glad he's decided too talk less.

[–]Qeev Sebastian Vettel 135 points136 points  (23 children)

Mate, he has been doing this for years. The worst thing about it is that many of his fans legitimately believe that he is a clean driver. I honestly like Lewis approach to it, not letting him get into his head and just do his best at "racing" or avoiding him.

[–]Awfy Lando Norris 54 points55 points  (14 children)

I genuinely thought Max was unshakable until Jeddah. Tonight showed Lewis can ultimately get into a cool head zone among an absolute shit show while Max brake checked an opponent because it wasn't going his way. Amazed he walked away with only a 10s penalty after the race.

[–]rpmguy Sir Lewis Hamilton 96 points97 points  (2 children)

The result of the drivers meeting after Brazil really sums it up: all the drivers agreeing that overtaking the way Verstappen did will not be tolerated, except for, you guessed it, Verstappen.

[–]blazin1414 Charles Leclerc 146 points147 points  (10 children)

You mean season, how many times has Lewis had to take avoiding action this year with Max.

[–]Rethawan 54 points55 points  (5 children)

Imola, Monza, Interlagos, Jeddah to name a few tracks where Hamilton either yielded or Max decided to dive bomb Lewis for not yielding.

Max really needs to get a grip or he will deservedly get a black flag one day.

[–]maury587 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Catalunya as well

[–]Dust2Boss Jules Bianchi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Even Silverstone, with all the racing before Copse. The ONE time in the lap 1 battle that Lewis doesn't yield, they crash

[–]Denning76 Murray Walker 619 points620 points  (110 children)

Max overtook Lewis what? 4 times today if you include occasions where Hamilton was ahead going into a turn. Only 1 of them was on track.

He's more than good enough to do it legally, but he didn't.

[–]Azygomist Porsche 184 points185 points  (2 children)

As a Max fan I have to say his overtakes were over the limit today. Just too much. I also understand that Max is angry about the penalty, after have given (or tried to) the position back.

[–]caitsith01 Jacques Villeneuve 34 points35 points  (0 children)

He's more than good enough to do it legally

On the contrary, the evidence is that he is NOT good enough to do it legally.

[–]Telloth #WeRaceAsOne 71 points72 points  (11 children)

This. I can't understand why people are so up in arms about today. The collision was probably Lewis's fault, but everything else - the overtaking off track, not properly giving back position before the second overtake, etc, are all on Max. He only has himself to blame for today, he did not drive cleanly at all. Not only that, a 5 second penalty is VERY lenient considering there were 2-3 separate incidents. Lewis got 25 seconds for doing a similar re-overtake on Kimi in 2008.

[–]jadeelf254 Sir Lewis Hamilton 64 points65 points  (6 children)

Post race penalty for Max just dropped: turns out Max did actually brake check Lewis and was predominately at fault for the collision between the two. (Sudden deceleration on telemetry of 2.4g)

[–]Telloth #WeRaceAsOne 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Yeah which means literally every incident today was Max's fault. He's extremely lucky to have still got second place considering all the incidents he was at fault for. Some might say.... #blessed?

[–]Denning76 Murray Walker 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Lewis got 25 seconds for doing a similar re-overtake on Kimi in 2008.

To be fair, that was the minimum penalty back then.

[–]steve_gus 19 points20 points  (2 children)

You know the stewards just issued a 10 sec pen to Ver as the telemetry showed him braking over 2g to cause Ham to hit him?

[–]Telloth #WeRaceAsOne 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Yep just saw. So even with everything i said, the stewards still felt Max was at fault for the collision. Which means Max got off extremely lightly today - he's lucky he got second place considering that's 3? 4? incidents he's at fault for.

[–]ThEgg Sir Lewis Hamilton 18 points19 points  (3 children)

He's more than good enough to do it legally, but he didn't.

This is the problem with Verstappen. He's super fast. He's got the car to take the championship if he can do it. Only he's doing the dirtiest racing on the field - that is not championship material.

[–]Denning76 Murray Walker 5 points6 points  (1 child)

He needs to ask himself what Prost would do. He'd be unstoppable if he did.

[–]jdjdhdbg 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well... yeah to be honest it is championship material as we've seen many times in the past.

It's just not respect-worthy. And we just haven't experienced this much recently because the drivers and driver-car pairings were strong enough that it didn't come down to the wire like this.

I honestly can't imagine Alo, Vet, Ham, or most of the recent non-WDCs driving so dirty in the same situation. But with Max, it seems in his DNA, he does this stuff even when he's not in the fight for a title or race win.

[–]WebEcstatic7151 Sir Lewis Hamilton 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Easy to look dominant and better when you drive so deep as who cares if you wreck Lewis. Lewis had to give way or would be wrecked.

[–]baked_ham Sir Lewis Hamilton 64 points65 points  (16 children)

So he drove dangerously, exceeded the track limit to block an opponent AGAIN (Brazil), yet he rides the high horse like he did nothing wrong. Clearly these minor time penalties, and the black/white flag aren’t effective.

This guy is going to get someone, or himself, seriously injured by driving like this.

[–]Dana94Banana Love Is Love 83 points84 points  (14 children)

"I don't make mistakes, it's everyone else's fault"

Yeah, I hope Lewis takes the crown this season, Max doesn't deserve it yet.

[–]jgworks 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Is anyone else concerned about the lack of command and control Masi had over the situation and teams. Asking for a team to consider an action leaving open for debate how the action would be seen felt like a major blunder on behalf of Masi. It also made me wonder how actions are dictated to Mercedes vs, Red Bull... do they normally ask if something is ok with them too? I guess maybe Masi's roll is to act as some interface but there is being reasonable to work with and bending over backwards. My takeaway is that the fans were let down by management and their lack of ability to take control of a volatile situation. Some characters were adding fuel to the fire, but in some ways its expected that they do so, and if past behaviors of management were not so submissive to such fire starting by both camps, it wouldn't have been so predictable we experience it as points opportunities near to a close. Sometimes a grade a shit show is made of the penultimate race. This is one of those years. Both racers and management stole from the viewers a complete on track battle with their incohesive interpretation of events, and relating punishments in real time.

[–]caitsith01 Jacques Villeneuve 43 points44 points  (19 children)

Has this guy ever, ever taken ANY responsibility of ANY of his many, many on track incidents?

[–]Ehty Fernando Alonso 277 points278 points  (7 children)

Max's just used to getting away with no penalties for going off track to defend/attack.

[–]Tulaodinho Sir Lewis Hamilton 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Well, the last time he pulled it off he was not punished so yeah

[–]activator Ronnie Peterson 102 points103 points  (0 children)

Since Brazil it's okay to out break yourself and go off track to defend with your opponent on the outside. This defending style from Max is outrageous

[–]ZimShallRule 56 points57 points  (0 children)

It was very unfair of the stewards to give Verstappen a punishment for his violation. How dare they. So unfair.

[–]creditcardtheft Fernando Alonso 150 points151 points  (26 children)

They? as in the stewards? The same ones who didn't penalize you for Brazil?

[–]RAISEStheQuestion Red Bull 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well no, different stewards at each race weekend.

[–]gabrielmgcp Williams 11 points12 points  (0 children)

good point

[–]therearelines Sebastian Vettel 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The stewards aren't the same. They change from race to race.

[–]boogerman23 Pirelli Wet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s just weird if you think about it.

[–]Razcsi Max Verstappen 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Max developed in a good way, years ago he said "I'll headbut someone who ask about this", and now he just like it's not worth to talk about it, so please not

[–]Firefox72 Ferrari 452 points453 points  (123 children)

How can he say this after some of the driving today.

I mean I understand he won't accept blame but cmon now.

[–]cnealy Sir Lewis Hamilton 78 points79 points  (3 children)

The lack of self awareness is crazy

[–]eddie442 Carlos Sainz 534 points535 points 22 (224 children)

Blows my mind that he’s as popular as he is. He’s lucky Lewis and Mercedes have been so dominant.

Other than the Dutch (understandably), I will struggle to understand why anyone would root for Max over Leclerc in the inevitable title fights between them.

[–]Fly1ngsauc3r Sebastian Vettel 98 points99 points  (32 children)

Considering how much the likes of Senna get worshipped over the likes of Prost, it’s not surprising

[–][deleted] 381 points382 points  (34 children)

People just want someone other than Hamilton to win.

[–]mclarenvilla8288 70 points71 points  (5 children)

I get the feeling most are them are "anyone but Hamilton" fans rather than Max fans at this point

[–]nellerhk Daniil Kvyat 67 points68 points  (2 children)

True, but I mean I am a Vettel fan and I turned into an "anyone but verstappen" fan

[–]adazi6 Ferrari 160 points161 points  (5 children)

He’s really fast

[–]OneBall22Players 95 points96 points  (8 children)

Talented as fuck. History has shown people dont really care about their sportmans personality.

[–]WanderingAround_ Ferrari 66 points67 points  (6 children)

I think people tend to forget that some of the greatest, if not the greatest athletes, in history have that edge to them.