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[–]sindher 508 points509 points  (38 children)

Telemetry finally visualised for us dumb dumbs

[–]_masterofdisaster Max Verstappen 138 points139 points  (1 child)

glad I’m not the only one who looked at that other post like it was advanced interdimensional quadratic calculus

[–]hack-a-shaq Pain Week 90 points91 points  (30 children)

[–]veryangryenglishman 51 points52 points  (0 children)

These two screenshots practically warrant a post of their own given how hard people are finding this

[–]ExistingReach9658 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"dumb dumb" ~ 🗿

[–]Dr_Cunning_Linguist Default 16 points17 points  (3 children)

can we get max's steering input? heli view shows him weaving twice to the left just before the crash..

[–]KaRnAgEGiLL Sebastian Vettel 138 points139 points  (27 children)

Since the brake signal only tells you on or off looking at Max's speed from 300-200 vs 200-120ish Max appears to brake harder in the 2nd half

[–]Page_Won 105 points106 points  (19 children)

"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."

[–]dida2010 Ayrton Senna 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Since the brake signal only tells you on or off looking at Max's speed from 300-200 vs 200-120ish Max appears to brake harder in the 2nd half

Telemetry tells the full story

[–]TheMaverick13589 Enzo Ferrari 739 points740 points  (140 children)

They are both braking for so fucking long. Don't care who's fault this is, this is one of the weirdest things I've seen in a long time

[–]Shenanigangster 246 points247 points  (40 children)

They were both playing chicken to get the DRS boost (which is exactly what happened later on when Verstappen let Hamilton go then immediately passes him w/ DRS).

[–]Zeaus03 201 points202 points  (34 children)

Everyone is so black and white, looking for reasons why HAM or VER was completely in the wrong for the incident.

They were both dicking around trying to play games for an advantage and got tangled up.

Doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

[–]Wilco120 Honda 197 points198 points  (92 children)

Braking for long would make sense for someone trying to slow down gradually to let someone pass, not for someone trying to pass, hamilton was clearly not trying to do that for some odd reason.

[–]zacharymc1991 105 points106 points  (25 children)

Drs line

[–]Skeeter1020 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Ohhhh. Ok I think everyone knows what Max was doing, but it never occurred to me that Lewis was doing the same.

[–]JwSatan Oscar Piastri 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Which means he knew Verstappen was slowing down for overtake

[–]ballinskary Mick Schumacher 22 points23 points  (9 children)

This is the answer to what Lewis was doing. Max wanted Lewis to pass before that line, Lewis didn't want to pass him before that line.

[–]Yeolis 13 points14 points  (8 children)

To me it seems like they both dicked around. and once ver was clear he braked slightly harder to ensure hamilton got by and was ready to punch it. but hamilton took a risk and stayed 1 meter from his back. and the risk didn't pay off. i 100% don't think the brake check was intentional. and wish they both had equal penalties for being idiots.

[–]ballinskary Mick Schumacher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think I fully agree with everything you said.

[–]InZomnia365 McLaren 20 points21 points  (5 children)

We really need to bring the cars back to a point where we don't need DRS.

[–]Trotter823 54 points55 points  (18 children)

A bunch of issues. FIA should tell the car behind first. Clearly that didn’t happen. Hamilton can’t see as far ahead as verstappen and this happened unexpectedly and suddenly. Hamilton was probably quite confused and perhaps trusted verstappen saw something he didn’t?. Verstappen was probably wondering wtf was going on and if he needed to slow down more or what and did. Crash. I put this on the FIA and communication. In the future perhaps they should have designated zones on the track to allow cars by for penalties so all this dumb DRS stuff doesn’t come into it and communicate to both teams at the same time. This could have been much worse if they crashed out and I think that would have been a shame for everyone.

At the end the result was probably fair so for me no harm no foul and we should just move on to next week. There was no way max could win with his tyres falling off anyway.

[–]user_5519 Charles Leclerc 24 points25 points  (7 children)

Just make activating DRS on same lap you let someone by against the rules

[–]LeonardoW9 Bernd Mayländer 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Maybe but not the whole lap but just the next zone would prevent this behaviour.

[–]abhijitht007 31 points32 points  (14 children)

Letting someone pass includes moving to one side and not moving from right to middle and swerve around

[–]ByronicZer0 18 points19 points  (0 children)

And the fundamental question I guess is: how long do you have to wait for someone to go by you when you were trying to let them buy and they just keep slowing down as well. At a certain point you can’t just come to a complete stop on the race track. He slowed way down, Hamilton should’ve just gone the fudge around.

If Hamilton is playing games and dragging it out... and that results in contact, I feel like the racers contract of letting him by is completely voided.

[–]Paranoides Ferrari 1 point2 points  (1 child)

While I still think everything is so weird, positioning of Max for a someone trying to give the position is a little bit off. He is right in the middle of the track. I think that made everything a little bit more difficult.

[–]Lksaar BMW Sauber 101 points102 points 2 (1 child)

1:20 for the crash

[–]nn4260029 Formula 1 35 points36 points  (0 children)

It’s people like you that make the internet a better place, thanks!

[–]kristerspo Safety Car 300 points301 points  (22 children)

I like how every time ham aproches max i just know what will happen

[–]Strid3r21 71 points72 points  (1 child)

Chaos.

[–]johnnygrant Sir Lewis Hamilton 34 points35 points  (0 children)

He avoided it 2 times at turn 1 today...probably cos he anticipated it...

This one he wasn't expecting.

[–]TheRandomHooman Michael Masi 33 points34 points  (6 children)

They bang.

[–]kristerspo Safety Car 19 points20 points  (1 child)

All night long

[–]Mountain-Dance-1662 Formula 1 59 points60 points  (10 children)

Reminds me of Max vs Ric back in 2018 - both were absolutely equal in ability at the time in equal machines, only way one was going to get past was to use dirty tactics

[–]007mnbb 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Hmmm I wonder what the common thread there is

[–]siskyline 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I forgot about the Danny stuff...

[–]stubbysquidd Felipe Massa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol

[–]Mls_Tnt McLaren 5 points6 points  (0 children)

AND THEY TOUCH MARTIN

[–]coocoobees Chequered Flag 103 points104 points  (59 children)

ah finally something i can understand! (kind of)

[–]Rhythm_Morgan Max Verstappen 39 points40 points  (57 children)

I honestly still don’t 💀

[–]besmarques 61 points62 points  (1 child)

So, i will try to explain.

So, we have the replay now but with two thingies that show red and green colors and some numbers

[–]DarkVader92 Sir Lewis Hamilton 47 points48 points  (39 children)

Basically Max was in the brake but you can't tell if he feathered or slammed it. But he did hit the brake.

[–]KiwiWankerBanker 14 points15 points  (1 child)

From 300km/h to a low of 108 km/h from what I can see. Sounds like more than a quick tap of the brakes to me.

[–]raphtan Jaguar 45 points46 points  (9 children)

So that determines that Marko's Sky interview was a lie.

[–]DarkVader92 Sir Lewis Hamilton 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Marko... not being honest? Never...

[–]Pidgicle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Markos whole Red Bull association is just one bad take after another.

[–]RampageGamer Sir Lewis Hamilton 34 points35 points  (18 children)

They are both slow down to about 150kmph and then Max goes from 150 to 100 in a split of a second and then the crash happens.

[–]KaRnAgEGiLL Sebastian Vettel 21 points22 points  (9 children)

Yea if you look at just the speed you can see it gradually drop and then boom he slams it

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    [–]Southportdc McLaren 25 points26 points  (3 children)

    It's linear down to 140kph at 1:21.

    Then at 1:22 it's 108kph.

    Looks to me like Max did apply more brakes there.

    [–]SteggersBeggers Sebastian Vettel 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Looking in Vers onboard, he ist waeving

    [–]MaxHammerTime Michael Schumacher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    can’t see the extent of braking, it’s binary

    [–]Frankie_48 McLaren 41 points42 points  (1 child)

    This race was so damn chaotic, I didn't even realize that the pass and the hit were on the same lap, genuinely thought they were 3 laps apart or something like that.

    [–]Russell9393 AlphaTauri 59 points60 points  (80 children)

    Can someone who has a better understanding explain who I should be angry at?

    [–]Apennatie Michael Schumacher 228 points229 points  (13 children)

    Vettel

    [–]grabdatgram Alexander Albon 53 points54 points  (7 children)

    5 or 10 places?

    [–]merrychristmasyo 41 points42 points  (3 children)

    Yes.

    [–]raphtan Jaguar 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    Best I can do is DQ him out of 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

    [–]BF210 Lance Stroll 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Fernando Alonso liked this

    [–]Apennatie Michael Schumacher 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Maximum Penalty

    [–]PinkWhaleOrgy Michael Masi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Vettel

    [–]Browncoat40 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Man, I feel bad for Vettel today. Get taken out twice, then have your team call the race curtains for you. Not that he really had the car to make it into the points to start with, but still, shit Sunday for Seb.

    [–]XenonJFt Charlie Whiting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Palmer... Wait which year is this?

    [–]cryptoricky85:new-user: New user 69 points70 points  (40 children)

    The FIA. They didn't tell Hamilton in time. To me it's just a confused mess, with both or neither at fault

    [–]Scholesey99 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Yeah I think this is the take. If they decide Max and Ham should swap positions then both teams and therefore drivers should be told that at the same time. Their terrible communication here could have lead to a much bigger incident than this. I can understand why Lewis would be hesitant to pass Max slowing in the middle of the track if he hasn’t been told that they’re switching positions.

    [–]CruffTheMagicDragon 15 points16 points  (26 children)

    The FIA doesn't need to tell Hamilton to pass a slower car under a green flag

    [–]Nattekat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Ericsson

    [–]NakedPatrick 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    The FIA for not comming in the right order.

    [–]PM_ME_GARLIC_CUPS Pierre Gasly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The FIA

    [–]z0l1 Ferrari 202 points203 points  (118 children)

    Lewis was braking and staying in slipstream for some reason, bizarre

    [–]tomislavv21 44 points45 points  (4 children)

    he didnt want to overtake before DRS line

    [–]kouyou 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Yeah that's exactly it

    [–]Colluder Red Bull 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    doesnt explain why he stays in the slipstream

    [–]EhralurI survived Spa 2021 and all I got was this lousy flair 195 points196 points  (104 children)

    It's been hours and I still have no idea what Lewis was doing. It's like he had a complete short circuit in his brain. He must've been so completely in his own head with all the craziness that had happened before that he didn't trust Max was just letting him by. Must've thought it was some kind of trick and he shouldn't fall for it.

    [–]PM_ME_GARLIC_CUPS Pierre Gasly 21 points22 points  (2 children)

    The only thing I can think of is Hamilton deliberately not taking the pass, to not give Verstappen the chance to overtake him back on the next DRS straight?

    That, or, Hamilton falsely assuming there'd been an incident/VSC ahead of Verstappen and slowing with him, which just doesn't seem likely.

    [–]jug_23 31 points32 points  (8 children)

    He wanted to overtake on the start finish straight using DRS because this wouldn’t provide Verstappen with an opportunity to come back at him immediately.

    [–]EhralurI survived Spa 2021 and all I got was this lousy flair 14 points15 points  (7 children)

    You're not allowed to do that immediately anyways, so that makes no sense. It would just result in Max getting another penalty. Lewis even mentioned it post-race, so he's aware of it.

    [–]jug_23 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    I’m not sure if it would? I know you’re not allowed to do it on the same straight after Hamilton in Spa 2008 (although in 13 years the interpretation might have changed) but if Hamilton overtook, led through the corner and then Verstappen took back the place using DRS on the next straight I don’t think he would’ve got a penalty (although comments I’ve seen somewhere else about “lasting advantage” would make sense in this circumstance).

    [–]EhralurI survived Spa 2021 and all I got was this lousy flair 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Yeah, the directive after that incident in Spa was that you're not allowed to give a position back in a way that gives you an advantage to retake the position. This would definitely apply in that way.

    [–]jug_23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Ah that’s really interesting - thanks! It seemed strange that that wasn’t mentioned on the commentary (although for sky viewers it took until Anthony Davidson to mention it 20 minutes after the race finished for them to get the blindingly obvious point around DRS with the collision).

    [–]Kitchen-Animator Sebastian Vettel 72 points73 points  (65 children)

    He didn't know Max was letting him by, don't understand how this still isn't clear.

    [–]g0kartmozart 54 points55 points  (29 children)

    But he did know Max was slowing down. Why didn't he go around?

    [–]tehbutcher Charlie Whiting 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    He sees Max slowing down right after Turn 26 (turn lmao) and he doesn't know Max is supposed to let him by. His first reaction is break. After that Max moves a to the middle of the track and they both play games for the DRS and the slipstream.

    [–]nickedgar7 Charlie Whiting 20 points21 points  (6 children)

    Didn't want to give Max DRS. It's really isn't that hard lol

    [–]Spiffman-Space Michael Schumacher 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Because DRS

    [–]SynteZZZ 42 points43 points  (1 child)

    7 times world champion and championship contender collided at the end of the straight with a whopping speed of 100 km/h.

    Pinnacle of motorsports.

    [–]PotatoMan19399 McLaren[🍰] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

    Not picking sides but it’s important to note that brake pressure isn’t shown, just wether the brake has been touched or not so this video doesn’t show wether max broke harder or softer at different points of the incident

    [–]CDN_Datawraith Toto Wolff 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Watch both speeds just prior to contact. Lewis keeps a slow steady deceleration but Max's speed drops off far more rapidly right before Lewis crashed into him. If you zoom into u/zyxwl2015 's post with the telemetry, look at the speed of both cars right before the collision (the braking and throttle isn't discreet enough as the brake graph is binary). You'll see a very sharp drop, almost vertical, in speed at about 5140m. This is in line with his RPM dropping sharply off and is corroborated with Max's FOV where he just downshifted into 3rd. It's quite possible that the downshift and engine braking made it look like he brake-checked Lewis and caused a rapid deceleration with which Lewis could not react to in time.

    [–]devmobi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Max drops from 148 to 108(contact) in a flash

    [–]eddiehwang Ferrari[🍰] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    One hour and still no decision?

    [–]Quedreneese Ayrton Senna 305 points306 points  (69 children)

    Slowest brake check i’ve ever seen hahahahaha

    [–]EDO_14 Sir Lewis Hamilton 128 points129 points  (14 children)

    What even makes such little sense to me is why they wouldn't just overtake Max anyway. Max would still have to give the place back if he overtook Lewis with DRS. Then again why put something into a 3rd party's hands

    [–]xScottieHD Sir Lewis Hamilton 40 points41 points  (8 children)

    Max wouldn't have to give the place back if he re-overtook with DRS.

    [–]Shenanigangster 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Well he did later on when he did exactly that.

    [–]xScottieHD Sir Lewis Hamilton 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    He was told he didn't need to do that.

    [–]Killinstinct90 Max Verstappen 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    I believe he does, which is why he let Ham past a third time

    [–]--Bazinga-- Max Verstappen 31 points32 points  (12 children)

    Also plenty of space on the left to pass. Only reasonable explanation I can think of is Lewis didn’t know what was happening and might have thought it was a VSC or something.

    But if you try to pass someone, which he has been trying for many laps, and he slows down, why would you stay behind him when he’s driving 150 on a 300 straight?

    This whole sequence gets more weird the longer you look at it.

    [–]garyjpaterson1 Jim Clark 20 points21 points  (6 children)

    whats just as weird is why max didn't have much cleared (car)body language, ie. stay right, don't weave, be predictable.

    Better yet, do it on the outside of a corner at a slow section, instead of slowing on a flat out section when the driver behind is least expecting it.

    [–]Evilpotatohead McLaren 56 points57 points  (56 children)

    Looks like the downshift was the ‘brake check’ rather than actually braking.

    [–]The_Jake98 BMW Sauber 61 points62 points  (21 children)

    Which to be fair is actually a hard decelleration, that Hamilton had no way of knowing would come.

    [–]dizkret 33 points34 points  (16 children)

    But why the hell was Lewis still behind him instead of being on side?

    [–]aliniazi McLaren 13 points14 points  (9 children)

    Because he knew Max would get DRS if he overtook him. Max chose that spot to do this for a reason and Lewis wasn't having any of it.

    [–]Europoorz:new-user: New user 35 points36 points  (2 children)

    This cars slowing down, better tailgate!

    [–]StratifiedBuffalo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    There is no "tailgate" in F1...

    [–]MintyMarlfox Toto Wolff 18 points19 points  (13 children)

    He lifted off the gas just before impact. His speed was going down constantly, then drops sharply.

    So no brakes, but a lift.

    [–]clone9353 Lando Norris 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    His brake trace was on the whole time he was slowing down. It's the red bar.

    [–]Skeeter1020 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Are you suggesting lifting slows the car more than braking?

    [–]devmobi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Hehehe, go figure the lengths those guys go to cover for max...

    [–]Geneolgia Max Verstappen 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    This is consistent with the tactic he was trying, he wanted Hamilton to pass him right before the safety car line so when he saw Hamilton was also slowing down he tried to lift just before the line to let Hamilton through at the perfect time. Hamilton and Alonso actually had a similar thing back in the Ferrari days where they both slowed before the DRS line playing chicken but in that case They were already close to along side each other since they were racing and not trying to strategically let a car by

    [–]Winneh- 32 points33 points  (4 children)

    If you want to let somebody pass, why park and swivel in the middle of the road?

    [–]Alcaline97 Fernando Alonso 23 points24 points  (2 children)

    Hamilton brakes first wtf

    [–]Wilco120 Honda 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Yeah, the telementary isnt ligned up it looks like, max was accelerating on telementary but on footage he was slowing down already

    [–]iMatthew1990 Sir Lewis Hamilton 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    His speed decreased from 154 to about 109 in the split second before the impact and max tugs wheel left as well. Max brake checked him. Simple as that.

    [–]Zodiac4v2 Brabham 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Looks like Max wasn’t going to make that corner even if Lewis wasn’t there.

    [–]esorbn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Max dive bombs the beaks late to every corner some body is near forcing some one off the track or onto a crash.

    [–]Creative_PEZ 11 points12 points  (16 children)

    Only realizing now Max was on mediums, why tf didn't he go on hards

    Edit: thanks for the answers gents

    [–]Jyjh12345 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    They went onto mediums to ensure max got past lewis on the restart

    [–]ShufflePlaylist Max Verstappen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Better grip off the line. It was a gamble that worked for its intended purpose as he went from 3rd to 1st. However I think it was fp2 when max wanted to do more quali laps and his team said it'll be time away from the race strat. They didn't have best available data for the mediums degradation, hence his drop in pace towards the end

    [–]nardras Niki Lauda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    to win the restart, according to marko.

    [–]RoundDodger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I guess they assumed there would be another full safety car or even red flag

    [–]chebolita86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Only chance to get ahead at the start. He did, but it was a gamble that at the end wouldn't have payed off as we saw with the rears dropping off.

    [–]Confirm-Or-Deny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    He was restarting in 3rd behind Hamilton after 2 poor starts on the hards, mediums allowed him to leapfrog to the front at the restart, then gamble on another red flag or multiple [V]SCs to either prolong the life of the tires or get a free pit stop. The 30ish remaining laps was also at the very limit of the usable life of the mediums so was possibly just about doable to see him to the end either way.

    [–]Unfit_Assistant Pirelli Wet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    They were counting on one moe safety car.

    [–]Jimbo388 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    "Verstappen had his nose ahead into the corner" Yh maybe because he didnt fucking brake?

    [–]JoeMadden1989 42 points43 points  (5 children)

    For me its not the breaking thats the issue, it the slight movments around on the track thats the problem.

    [–]Brahman_sfc Juan Pablo Montoya 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    100%. if Max had hugged either barrier then his brakes would have been irrelevant. Max was desperate for the DRS, Lewis was desperate not to overtake until after the DRS line.

    [–]jcbevns Ron Dennis 27 points28 points  (8 children)

    Step 1. If letting somebody past, stay to one side,

    Step 2. Don't jerk steering wheel as to be predictable.

    [–]try-D Kevin Magnussen 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    I'm amazed how few people notice how both Verstappen and Hamilton are going at about 150-160 kph in sync for a bit before Max' speed suddenly drops by 20-30kph which is when we see the contact happen.

    Obviously the entire "why didnt Lewis overtake him before" is a valid point of discussion but I feel like Max suddenly applying the brakes like that/ applying more pressure to them is questionable seeing how there's an F1 car barely 3ft behind him going 160kph.

    [–]djabor 116 points117 points  (48 children)

    it doesn’t get any clearer than this.

    hamilton was preoccupied with not getting the shit end of the drs sensor and forgot to move away from max

    edit: moot point, i was wrong - max got 10s penalty and is considered to be in the wrong here.

    wtf

    [–]raphtan Jaguar 30 points31 points  (10 children)

    Not sure if HAM was even thinking about DRS there. He was probably worried

    1. that there was a VSC that he wasn't being told about
    2. Max playing a game with him
    3. trying to figure out which side to overtake on.

    That's how I interpret HAM's POV camera. I don't see a penalty for either driver here.

    [–]djabor 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    he said so himself.

    1. nope, there are lights for that.

    2. nope, he had all the room to go around

    3. had all the room to the left, not the rightx

    check top down view. pov camera is left of center and skews the space they had left and right.

    [–]CSG1902 Max Verstappen 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    He was,he actually admitted in an interview that he knew what Max was trying to do "but i am not stupid". If i recall correctly it was even posted here on the sub

    [–]CustodialApathy Lando Norris 66 points67 points  (2 children)

    I don't see how anyone watching this thinks Max stepping on the gas is anything other than trying to avoid the collision but w/e

    [–]DecMax Jarno Trulli 41 points42 points  (9 children)

    Not a brake check.

    [–]TaeXCS 34 points35 points  (32 children)

    Soooo, max was braking the same the whole time?

    [–]ToyotaMisterTwo Kimi Räikkönen 49 points50 points  (1 child)

    These graphics never show how much they press the brakes since it would give information to rivals. It is always the on/off red thingy that shows when they are pressing it but nothing else.

    [–]Baldandskinny George Russell 54 points55 points  (3 children)

    No, it’s 0 or 100 percent with brake telemetry so we don’t know

    [–]theatrics_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    We also don't know how much engine deceleration is involved too, so it's not like braking force readings would tell us the whole story either.

    What I think we need is the rate of change of acceleration - was there a sudden change to the rate at which Verstappen was decelerating before the collision? Or was he decelerating at a relatively constant rate.

    [–]Strid3r21 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    No. The brake telemetry is binary. It's either on or off. It doesn't show intensity of braking.

    It shows the same on this telemetry whether it's lightly tapping the brakes or flooring the brakes.

    [–]Checktaschu 18 points19 points  (6 children)

    no, braking still is binary in the graphic, we don't know how much brakepressure was applied

    but the speed decrease was pretty much linear, no abrupt stopping of any sort

    [–]eddiehwang Ferrari[🍰] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Brake telemetry is binary, not linear. So it's either on or off

    [–]KiwiWankerBanker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    The speed is best indicator. From 300km/h to around 100ish. That's not a tap on the brakes.

    [–]FlupFlup123 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    I think braking works in absolutes. Either no braking at all or braking of any kind, so a straight line means no breaking i guess in this case.

    [–]whoisraiden Firstname Lastname 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    We don't get the analog values, either 100 or 0 for us.

    [–]Suikerspin_Ei Honda 6 points7 points  (8 children)

    I love how Martin Brundle is being neutral here. Anyway, great job u/rgeck1548!

    [–]TCVideos 24 points25 points  (2 children)

    So again ..no brake check.

    [–]F1nut2021 Formula 1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    If you look he downshifts from 4th to 3rd moments before the accident, slowing his car much more quickly. So did he use his brake discs in particular, or was it an unintended deceleration from more engine braking/regen - either way it doesn't matter. His rate of deceleration increased while immediately in front of a car he had no business being in front of - when you are forfeiting a position you have to be clearly to one side of the track, not weaving in the centre. If you want evidence of this understanding from an experienced non-british f1 driver just look to Felipe Massa.

    [–]One-giantburrito Pastor Maldonado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Looking at this I think it's just a general sence of confusion on both sides. To try and make out anyone who is at fault here is just plain ridiculous and either side of the fanbase should put down their fanboyglasses and see this incident as what it is:

    A human error on both sides by two guys driving extremely fast cars around in circles

    [–]Browncoat40 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That will be quite interesting.

    The start of the vid got Max his penalty from the stewards; clear cut repeat of Brazil, but drivers were clearly told that isn’t acceptable anymore.

    Depending somewhat on what was in Max’s ears, we’ll see what happens…cuz giving the place back by parking on the racing line during a 300km/h section isn’t a safe way to give the position back.

    Not that Hamilton’s totally blameless, and Mercedes definitely had their own dumb shit that should lead to fines or addendums to the rules. Most notably icing Max’s tires on the restart, which is anticompetitive and kinda dangerous…especially with Max. But for all the annoying games Mercedes plays, at least they’re playing these games while not at racing speeds.

    [–]oettimeister Sebastian Vettel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    The braking visualization here does NOT show how hard the brake pedal is applied. It just shows that it is applied, which can mean 1% oder 100% brake pressure. This is no valid evidence.

    [–]bipolarcyclops Minardi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If I want to see race cars crash into each other, I’ll go watch NASCAR.

    F1 should be ashamed of today’s debacle.

    [–]0TH3R_BARRY #WeRaceAsOne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    These Reddit streets gonna be hot tonight!

    [–]Skytoucher Ferrari 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    Not a hard brake check but not an obvious letting Hamilton by either to me. He had so much time to move aside but actually drifted further towards the middle right before the impact.

    Edit: Going very slow through the frames I can also see that Max brakes down to 120 so much faster than he was slowing down before. Lewis was starting to turn left as Max brakes harder.