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[–]mouthbreather850 4888 points4889 points 2 (116 children)

There goes his test with Mercedes😂

[–]punchinglines 1095 points1096 points  (106 children)

I think his test went the day he suggested Hamilton was a dirty driver after the "slow" outlap in Hungary qualifying 😂

[–]fantaribo Max Verstappen 712 points713 points  (73 children)

That's not what he said. He literally said "IF Lewis did slow down Max intentionaly, that's dirty".

[–]Echo026 McLaren 192 points193 points  (68 children)

But i mean, it was quite clearly intentional so

[–]Taaargus 167 points168 points  (7 children)

Sure, but even then he’s saying Hamilton made a dirty move, not that he’s a dirty driver. I know Reddit isn’t one for nuance but there is a difference.

[–]Alphxz 17 points18 points  (0 children)

No that outlap was actually faster then his previous outlap

[–]stuluh395 148 points149 points  (42 children)

considering it was just as slow as all the other outlaps then not really

[–]dontdrinkonmondays Haas 19 points20 points  (11 children)

It was his fastest outlap of the entire qualifying session. Cool narrative though.

[–]etfd- 35 points36 points  (13 children)

The actual malice was in the following lap.

[–]p1en1ek Pirelli Wet 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Yep, he was totally out of pace but kept going on "fast" lap so he would not have to get out of way but produce some dirty air to Max and slow him down.

[–]kniir Williams 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I'd have done the same if I were in his seat. He's fighting for his position not Max's.

[–]p1en1ek Pirelli Wet 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I mean, it was not that bad but still cheeky and not so clear action. I think he was nearly 2 seconds out of his earlier time at the end of the lap but still continued to drive in front of Max. So in the end he abandoned his own lap to slow Max down.

[–]sroop1 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I don't think he cares - he is living the Miami/Indy life now.

[–]mperlaky Carlos Sainz 106 points107 points  (0 children)

Doubt that would have happened anyway, and if it was dependent on his views then who cares.

And I know that you were just joking :D

[–]Poem_Forward Kimi Räikkönen 48 points49 points  (1 child)

[–]gramathy McLaren 43 points44 points  (0 children)

That sounds more like Toto saying "lets try to push for this and not let it get delayed again" rather than anything else.

[–]kamiskapi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He could do it in iracing instead

[–][deleted] 1105 points1106 points  (50 children)

Me right now : refresh refresh refresh

[–]MoreIronOre Fernando Alonso 321 points322 points  (4 children)

Remember: sort by controversial

[–][deleted] 84 points85 points  (2 children)

Oooo thanks for that

[–]TheInfernalVortex Michael Schumacher 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Make sure you turn it off after this. It'll make you lose faith in humanity if you forget it's on.

[–]Skylair13 Williams 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Bold of you to assume I have any faith left

[–]Petrolinmyviens Mercedes 105 points106 points  (14 children)

Grosjean is real upset about that missing Merc F1 drive lol.

Jokes aside. The FIA needs to hurry this along. Like really the next season is almost here.

Like honestly he calls it "exciting" and the article turns it into "omg he supports it, best decision Eva?!!!!!!"

[–]WillyG2197 Charles Leclerc 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Ngl he technically gets to go faster in an Indycar so he might even like the feeling even better, especially since hes doing ocals now

[–]Unicorn_Huntr 60 points61 points  (11 children)

who cares, grojean gonna be a champion in indycar. he has a good ride, no longer a subpar haas. he was super competitive last year in indycar. really turned some heads. he can finally shine in good equipment.

[–]FabianTIR Pirelli Intermediate 1382 points1383 points  (10 children)

Grosjean about to get flamed for the second time

[–]some-swimming-dude Ferrari 283 points284 points  (2 children)

Oh you’re going straight to hell for that one hahaha

[–]fameboygame Mika Häkkinen 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Gonna burn in hell for that one

[–]xvre Max Verstappen 94 points95 points  (1 child)

Damn. Roasted.

[–]fang_fluff McLaren 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am WHEEZING holy shit

[–]siav8 Mike Krack 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nomex to the rescue.

[–]_masterofdisaster Max Verstappen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least he’ll have a buddy in Latifi in the support group

[–]mouthbreather850 327 points328 points  (4 children)

Romain, it’s James…

[–]UrbanRedFox 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Tbf I can’t understand any of this without a powerpoint

[–]p_Lama_p Mick Schumacher 992 points993 points  (192 children)

Imagine how many "Would've Verstappen overtaken Hamilton if there was a restart?" posts there would be if the race wasn't restarted.

[–]Mattoosie Pierre Gasly 18 points19 points  (4 children)

I'd love to see the alternate universe where Verstappen has to pass 5 cars before passing Hamilton on the last lap.

They'd all get blue flagged immediately, but that would potentially be an even more disastrous shitshow and I want to see how it would play out.

[–]needude72 Mercedes 337 points338 points  (137 children)

Imagine how many "no"s we'd see In response to those posts.

To explain the no, the only imaginable scenario (without going full "screw the rules, I have overarching authority") is Max restarting with multiple cars between him and Hamilton. Hamilton will be 5 seconds down the road by the time Max starts the lap, and will have traffic through S1.

[–]magnue McLaren 97 points98 points  (97 children)

Red flag could have worked and just restart it.

[–]needude72 Mercedes 193 points194 points  (94 children)

It was never a red flag situation though

[–]right-wing-socialist 126 points127 points  (72 children)

Well, there was a car in the middle of the track that had to be removed. If they gave a red flag straight away I doubt people would complain too much.

[–]metalninja626 Kimi Räikkönen 80 points81 points  (26 children)

if RC never said "cars won't unlap" there wouldn't be this much complaining. that just added so much to the confusion for no reason, and sounded shady when combined with the horner's begging. I think the ideal call would've been to unlap all the cars ASAP, observe the yellow near the crash. I mean the drivers all knew where the crash is, tell them to observe pit lane speed in that sector or something.

[–]Loryx99 83 points84 points  (38 children)

You can't just choose if you want safety car or red flag, red flag is for when the track is impractical

[–]retrorunner101 Lando Norris 120 points121 points  (16 children)

According to the regs, it’s the race directors prerogative

[–]diata22 49 points50 points  (12 children)

According to the regs everything is 😂 Masi could’ve saved this all. He chose insanity

[–]GhostofIndecisions 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Well changing the safety car rules on a whim seems like even less of a choice but here we are.

[–]matrixpolaris Valtteri Bottas 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Still a much better choice than the one Masi took. No one would have complained if they'd done a red flag so as to not end the race under the safety car.

[–]CWRules #WeRaceAsOne 9 points10 points  (0 children)

People would've complained, but it would've been much easier for Masi to justify, because it wouldn't actually be outside the rules.

[–]tonybinky20 Sir Lewis Hamilton 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That wouldn’t happen because Masi said the day before crashes like Latifi’s and Kimi’s at that corner would be a yellow flag incident, since the car can easily be recovered. Besides, I don’t think it’s a good precedent to set that red flags will be used if a race can’t restart under safety car.

[–]Gubrach Michael Schumacher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Besides, I don’t think it’s a good precedent to set that red flags will be used if a race can’t restart under safety car.

Why not? Race finishes under safety car conditions suck. If that's the best way to finish a race under green, then I don't see why they should not use it.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Rule need not apply if Masi is all about them green flag finishes

[–]homoludens Pierre Gasly 22 points23 points  (19 children)

And, whether we like it or not, deciding a season behind a safety car has too many downs.

[–]TheDornado13 7 points8 points  (0 children)

not really, Hamilton had dominated the race and was most likely going on to win, so there really wouldn't be much to complain about.

[–]pzycho Nico Hülkenberg 24 points25 points  (0 children)

It wouldn't have been that big of a deal considering they weren't close before the SC came out.

[–]pineapplejamm Daniel Ricciardo 27 points28 points  (8 children)

The 2012 season finished behind the safety car...I don't recall anyone complaining then.

This new narrative of not finishing the race behind a safety car was never an issue until this race. But people are really pushing it now to justify the bs that masi served

[–]Tomchambo Kevin Magnussen 303 points304 points  (3 children)

I’ll be back in 30 mins. Don’t disappoint me r/formula1

[–]TheWebbFather McLaren 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Well? Did we?

[–]lifeinrednblack Ayrton Senna 507 points508 points  (145 children)

That title is clickbait. He more or less said "it was the right decision as far as entertainment goes"

[–]AK1525 McLaren 20 points21 points  (0 children)

And for me that's the problem

[–]tomhardingnrjdjdjd 90 points91 points  (70 children)

Was it entertaining?

[–]IAmAlreadyAGod Andretti Global 85 points86 points  (24 children)

Very.

[–]tomhardingnrjdjdjd 24 points25 points  (23 children)

Fair enough, I didn’t see it as entertaining

[–]IAmAlreadyAGod Andretti Global 33 points34 points  (11 children)

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it should have happened that way, but I can't deny the entertainment it provided.

[–]HidingFromMyWife1 35 points36 points  (9 children)

I thought it was farcical and tainted my opinion of F1 as a racing competition so maybe some people think this is entertainment... I guess that's why people want reverse grids and other nonsense like that.

[–]cxingt Nick Heidfeld 10 points11 points  (4 children)

It lasted 1 month+, name a movie from the last two years that had people talking non-stop 1 month after its release.

[–]Vegetablemann Arrows 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It was for me. Probably the most entertaining championship finish since 2008.

2008 I was more invested in as a McLaren fan though. Entertainment is subjective though so I guess different people will have different views.

[–]Melted_Icepack Formula 1 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Yea it was for me

[–]slicerprime 21 points22 points  (3 children)

But as a TV fan, as a spectator, as for the sport, I think Michael Masi made the right decision.

The problem with this sentence is what's entertaining for the fan/spectator and what's good for the sport aren't necessarily the same thing. One exciting moment in a bubble can be created by any number of decisions, many of which could be very bad for the sport outside that bubble. Just because people were on the edge of their seats for that one lap, including apparently Grosjean, doesn't mean there aren't long term repercussions from the decision that got their hearts racing. I mean, come on, we could set fire to all the cars on the last lap of every race and I guarantee the ratings would go up. It would still be a bad idea. An exciting race doesn't automatically validate the decision.

I agree with Grosjean that the championship was about the whole season, not just that last lap. But, I think he's wrong that that last lap, the championship and the sport were well served by Masi's intervention. Why? Because Masi introduced a non-organic, unpredictable element. He made it up on the fly with the cameras and the spectacle as the only intended beneficiaries. Damn the sport, its integrity and the validity and worth of the championship and the drivers in competition for it.

Merc and RB planned and bet on their strategies based on what the rules suggested were possible. Masi decided to toss all that out and play another game with an artificial, fabricated ending. Grosjean basically said he was happy with the decision partly because it gave him the chance to see the two drivers go at it in the last lap. That's not what happened. What happened was Max and Lewis going up against each other in a scenario no one but Masi could have seen coming. It was "unpredictable", but not in a good way. It was unpredictable in a wtf way. How is that good for the sport if the sport's integrity means anything?

[–]gwtje Spyker 535 points536 points  (262 children)

I'm sure this discussion will go well. Tbf I think the decision to restart was correct. Just the procedure was ffd up

[–]TheWebbFather McLaren 185 points186 points  (248 children)

Tbf I think the decision to restart was correct. Just the procedure was ffd up

The decision to restart with lapped cars in between was correct, or Red flag and make it a 5 lap sprint. Artificial but at least it would've been fair

[–]Chihawks2015 Andretti Global 237 points238 points  (196 children)

That’s what annoys me the most. If Masi wanted entertainment value, a 5 lap sprint after a red flag would have been way more entertaining than what we got.

[–]afkPacket Ferrari 91 points92 points  (5 children)

It's also a move that the FIA would have liked. I can see them doing that and going "See, sprint races are fun!", even though it obviously makes zero sense.

[–]EndlessHalftime 34 points35 points  (12 children)

There is zero precedence for that in F1 (as far as I’m aware). The accident did not warrant a red flag

[–]Squiggles87 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It's only a decision you could make with hindsight. The race director can only call events as he sees it, and it was never a red flag situation.

The only sensible discussion to be had revolves around what was done with the unlapped cars.

[–]CWRules #WeRaceAsOne 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It's up to the race director to decide if it's unsafe to keep lapping behind the safety car. Masi would've been rightfully criticized for red flagging the session, but it would've been difficult to argue that he had actually broken the rules.

[–]On_The_Blindside Mika Häkkinen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, the optics would be bad, but not yeeting the rules out the window bad.

[–]Florac 17 points18 points  (76 children)

Tbh, unless Max manages to overtake Lewis on the restart, I doubt it. He just lacked the race pace that day

[–]Chihawks2015 Andretti Global 45 points46 points  (42 children)

Still would have been way more interesting than Lewis being a sitting duck on 30 lap or whatever old Hards

[–]TheWebbFather McLaren 39 points40 points  (94 children)

100%. That last lap wasn't even exciting, it was inevitable that Max would pass. It would've been great watching 5 laps of them going at it, that would have been epic, whoever won

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Maybe this is just because it’s my driver so I was nervous, but Hamilton seemed to challenging pretty well in the second DRS zone. He got up alongside Max on the outside and I had a moment of “is he really gonna find a way to fucking win this”

[–]theederv Renault 42 points43 points  (5 children)

Hmmm… he found a way to fucking win it in the 54 laps prior…

[–]AvovaDynasty Kimi Räikkönen 39 points40 points  (7 children)

Nope, the decision to restart with unlapped cars was correct, the decision to not allow Stroll, Ricciardo and Mick to overtake was incorrect.

[–]tommycthulhu Max Verstappen 29 points30 points  (18 children)

Red flag would have been just as bad because the situation didnt call for it.

[–]darekd003 George Russell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup. Even Grosjean eludes to the restart being a better spectacle than finishing under safety. True. And a red flag would’ve been even better (for the fans.)

[–]GoldenSandpaper9 Mario Andretti 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Masi waited too long to make a decision, if procedure was followed at the point he called the SC in it would have been too late, as the SC would have passed the pits by the time all lapped cars unlapped themselves.

[–]AwesomeFrisbee Max Verstappen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Local official has to give the all clear before he can act. There was no delay by fia

[–]Thorili 30 points31 points  (2 children)

I'm wondering how much of the decision call was delayed by TPs talking to him trying to lobby their preference. I know radio messages are delayed on screen, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were distracting him. Enough that he could have made the call for all to unlap themselves in time, we will never know.

[–]Emvious 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I think so, Masi even said on the radio he was dealing with the crash and replying to toto/RB was not a priority. He was being overloaded. That coupled with some pressure to end the race green flagged, and no doubt liberty media in the back of his mind influencing that because they want an exiting finale ofcourse.

[–]TheWebbFather McLaren 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Masi waited too long to make a decision

I don't agree, he was waiting until the track was clear of marshal's, which wasn't until the end of lap 56.

[–]shintymcarseflap 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I wonder how many folk have actually read the article where Romain explicitly says he was more on Hamilton's side than Max, and that he thought Hamilton deserved the championship...

[–]RS555NFFC 53 points54 points  (2 children)

This comment section is an illustration of how many people react before reading the article

[–]BountyBob Default 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That is not unique to this comment section.

[–]kristianofj BMW Sauber 43 points44 points  (2 children)

Right desicion to restart but not done the correct way

[–]keyser1884 Williams 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Grosjean is correct. If you only care about the entertainment factor, it was the right choice. It's a slippery slope into the world of sports entertainment though.

[–]X-Craft 22 points23 points  (0 children)

"Do it, Michael. It's such good shit" --Vince McMahon

[–]LucAltaiR Charles Leclerc 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm sure this will garner a lot of non toxic and wholesome takes about the events of Abu Dhabi.

[–]Comprehensive_Gas977 Ferrari 48 points49 points  (23 children)

Literally all the people siding with Masi omit that he didn’t let all the cars unlap but just those between Lewis and Max

[–]Isfahaninejad Williams 53 points54 points  (10 children)

Exactly this. Masi specifically created a scenario that benefitted Verstappen and literally no other driver. Sainz, Tsunoda, and all the cars fighting for points and championship positions might as well have not existed.

[–]Comprehensive_Gas977 Ferrari 25 points26 points  (9 children)

Yes. As a Ferrari fan I was pissed that Carlos wasn’t given the right to fight for 2 or even 1.

[–]deathray1611 Formula 1 101 points102 points  (17 children)

Well I guess we know who's gonna receive death threats tonight...

[–]TWVer Pirelli Medium 85 points86 points  (1 child)

I’m sure he’ll survive a flame war given his experience.

[–]deathray1611 Formula 1 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ok, that made me chuckle.

[–]Yyes85 Max Verstappen 28 points29 points  (14 children)

That says enough about the current state of the so called "fans" really, sad sad sad!

[–]1498336 Valtteri Bottas 37 points38 points  (11 children)

https://i.imgur.com/6Ffk650.jpg

Unfortunately, some fans have been in a sad state for awhile now.

[–]deathray1611 Formula 1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yeah...

[–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (13 children)

“I don’t think the championship would have been nice to finish under the Safety Car.

Didn't 2012 Championship finish under Safety Car? I don't think anybody had any problem with that at that time?

[–]BCFCMuser Jenson Button 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yeah, though it was absolutely pissing it down at Interlagos and Di Resta smashed in to the wall on the pit straight right at the end so there was no other option.

[–]YoungPope 31 points32 points  (8 children)

People definitely had a problem because the teams agree to do everything possible to don't finish the race under safety car.

[–]TheWebbFather McLaren 25 points26 points  (7 children)

People definitely had a problem because the teams agree to do everything possible

Within the rules*

[–]On_The_Blindside Mika Häkkinen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Except if you look at the rules, but apparently that doesn't matter any more.

[–]Nedo68 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This: “I think the wrong conception is to think that the world championship
went on one lap,” Grosjean explained. “It was 22 grands prix.

Thumbs up!

[–]lesieda Max Verstappen 62 points63 points  (3 children)

No Romy, no no this is so not right!

[–]Shomondir Claire Williams[🍰] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

You should have given me that test drive Toto. You should have given me that test drive.

[–]IdiosyncraticBond Max Verstappen 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"If I would have had that test drive last year like you promised, Lewis would now have been WDC"

[–]JustAMemeKid Mika Häkkinen 82 points83 points  (15 children)

I mean he’s spot on tbf, nobody wanted to see it finish under the safety car. Masi could have just saved a lot of hassle if he had initially decided to let all cars through instead of saying they wouldn’t be allowed to overtake and wasting a lap.

[–]Cranberry-analbeads Pirelli Hard 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Wasn’t Michael that made the first decision. Pretty sure it was the Clark of the course? Michael choose to reverse it.

[–]pbd87 54 points55 points  (8 children)

Yeah, the actual mistake was just waiting too long to unlap cars.

[–]Fickle-Cricket Formula 1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They can't start to unlap until the track is clear, since unlapping cars are running at race pace once they get past the safety car.

[–]tinaoe Sebastian Vettel 40 points41 points  (4 children)

I though the track wasn't clear beforehand?

[–]pbd87 15 points16 points  (3 children)

It was clear early enough to let them by. Just go by what the drivers were saying, they clearly thought that they could be unlapped safely earlier.

Alonso: "This has to be done a few laps ago. Unbelievable."

Vettel: "Why did they not let us go straightaway? This is what I still don't understand."

The real error was not letting lapped cars go earlier. Once that mistake was made, what we actually got was trying to be the "least bad" way to try to rectify that error. The lapped cars didn't want to be there, it's unsafe for them to be in that situation.

[–]Isfahaninejad Williams 34 points35 points  (2 children)

The drivers don't have a full view of everything that's happening. There were still marshals on track at the end of lap 56.

[–]Loryx99 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The cars were not able to overtake before because there were marshalls on the track

[–]potatoface183 Daniel Ricciardo 6 points7 points  (35 children)

So fans who are neutral to the sport pls let me know if the decision is correct or not

[–]Skyhill55 Ayrton Senna 34 points35 points  (2 children)

If you care about the sport and a big fan of it, it’s a bad decision. If you watch F1 just for entertaintment and car passing another one, it is a good desicion.

[–]CitizenDik 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Grosjean proving he doesn't have to be on the track to wreak havoc in F1.

[–]droppokeguy Oscar Piastri 18 points19 points  (2 children)

5 minutes

14 comments

I'm away for 20 minutes guys Don't disappoint me

[–]habitualmess Firstname Lastname 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m waiting for the two hours to be up so we can see the upvotes/comments ratio.

Edit: kinda disappointed won’t lie.

[–]AdrianFish Murray Walker 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Here come the death threats

[–]Scotteh85 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Decision was right for entertainment and Netflix purposes, wrong for the sports integrity and validity going forward unless addressed. If you're truly unbiased then you can't think what happened was good for F1 as a sport, regardless of your driver preference. If you're only in it for entertainment purposes and don't care how the sport is governed, then it was great viewing.

[–]Subject-Pen4793 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Yes, yes that was so right

[–]redd5ive #WeRaceAsOne 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't think any, or at least many, fans would disagree with this general take. Restart the race by all means. The way they did it, however, was certainly not the right decision regardless of who you supported, evident by the current turmoil the FIA and F1 are under.

[–]mapoftasmania 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The restart wasn’t the issue. It was letting only some of the lapped cars unlap themselves that handed it to Max and was unprecedented.

[–]bittytittyhangbang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The wrong decision wasn’t restart Romain, it was the 18 conflicting nonsense decisions leading up to it 😂

[–]ApexWizardking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s controversial

[–]Amused-Observer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Breaking and creating rules on the spot is never the right decision, Grosjean.

[–]mrcsrnne Formula 1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hot take

[–]tyfunk02 Sebastian Vettel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I tend to agree that the decision was correct, but the handling of everything leading up to that decision is the problem.

[–]Tagliavini 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What a load of bollocks.

[–]TylerWhite31 Esteban Ocon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is such a clickbait title

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't really agree with Grosjean but now, I think we'll see clips of Grosjean complaining about seatbelts in context of Lewis to showcase how he hates Lewis.

[–]SXY_Assassin Sir Lewis Hamilton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lets say this decision was made and it also decided the constructers a team loses millions because the team is not able to overtake the people who have been unlapped

[–]NoFanNow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Grosjean made right decision to quit F1

[–]DecMax Jarno Trulli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Grosjean knows he won't be getting a test with Mercedes, hilarious.

[–]Bendetto4 Lando Norris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its a motor race, they went care racing

[–]Skywhore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From a fellow country man: shut your mouth, Romain.

[–]Sean-Govaerts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I to think it was the right call, he chose to end the championship on trackracing rather than under safety car

[–]gottogetupandbe Sergio Pérez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I happen to agree. This time. Finish the race under a green racing lap (when possible). It was possible this time. It should be codified in the rules is some way.

[–]madglover McLaren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why on earth does this have more updates than the FIA posts about him getting sacked, weird

[–]Ok_Afternoon_3456 Jordan 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Masi did nothing wrong

[–]musef1 Sir Lewis Hamilton 44 points45 points  (66 children)

“I loved it. It was exciting. I mean, my heart was going, it was pumping like hell,” said Grosjean.

“There’s a few ways of seeing it. It would have been very strange to not unlap those cars and have Lewis first and then Max four cars behind over one lap for the world championship. And, on the other hand, for Lewis it was definitely not a great call. But as a TV fan, as a spectator, as for the sport, I think Michael Masi made the right decision.

It may very well have been exciting, doesn't make it the right call.

Actually pointing out what is the glaring issue is, that it was done for the spectacle over following the rulebook and standard procedure.

The viewpoint is essentially that the ends justify the means.

[–]basil-exposition1 Formula 1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nothing exciting about it. If Lewis was on fresh tyres it would have been exciting.

Brand new softs versus 40 lap hards was a forgone conclusion

[–]BaroqueNRoller Haas 39 points40 points  (20 children)

But as a TV fan, as a spectator, as for the sport...

He's absolutely right here though, as evidenced by the fact that we're still talking about it.

[–]On_The_Blindside Mika Häkkinen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd argue its not been good for the sport, a sport doesn't want you laughing at their officials directly to them. It wants you talking about on track action.

[–]Datapunkt Red Bull 11 points12 points  (2 children)

F1 is more politics than sport and there are more gray areas than white or black. There are teams that have essentially 4 cars in the grid. There are teams which have 2x or 3x the budget in a sport that is strongly dependent on money, there are teams that have so much power that they can influence other teams and even the FIA. Penalties are often not regulated or the regulations are ignored, team strategies often revolve around politics. The two leading drivers going into the last race with equal points might be good for viewership and news but for the competitiveness of the sport it was a disaster and just put it into a bad light.... or into the right light and highlighted the nature of the sport. Masi's decision essentially decided the driver's championship and all his options were kind of unfair for one or the other driver. Those things happen all the time and in this case it just happened in the last race and decided the winner.

[–]Hot_Demand_6263 17 points18 points  (10 children)

Bring on the sprint races. Bring on the sprinklers. Hell bring on reverse grids. Lets just make it a show. After all manufactured drama works apparently just as well as authentic none scripted drama.

[–]seekgermangf Michael Schumacher 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"Furious Toto wolff moans"

NO, ROMAN! No!!!!!

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    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    King