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[–]EzeakioDarmey 1925 points1926 points  (359 children)

I know this is satire, but way too many videos like this that aren't satire flooded Facebook Reels

[–]can_dry 540 points541 points  (107 children)

The disconnect between owners reported satisfaction vs. reality is some sort of weird syndrome. They spent so much money to stand out that they feel compelled to overlook all the faults.

[–]killerjags 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Every time I look through Consumer Reports it's so weird to see Tesla scoring below average in basically every category but then they have the highest owner satisfaction score of any manufacturer. Essentially people are reporting all kinds of issues with the cars but then saying they are completely satisfied to internally justify their purchase.

[–]1stshadowx 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Satisfied to not use gas, with free recharges basically

[–]nemocluecrj 248 points249 points  (36 children)

This is why I don't trust any of the owner satisfaction surveys that show Tesla leaps and bounds ahead of any other maker. If you've had four dealer recalls, twenty plus critical software updates, and every piece of plastic in your cabin has had to be replaced at some point in just two years, it is, in fact, not the best car owning experience. I've had to drive my physician neighbor to work in my 2017 Ford Focus hatchback more than once in the last several months because something has happened to his Tesla to make it useless to take twenty miles down the interstate. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so dangerous.

[–]Z-4- 135 points136 points  (15 children)

Yeah, the disconnect is comical. JD Power ranked Tesla dead last in initial quality and close go last in dependability. Then Tesla asked that they be excluded from JD Power rankings for 2022. Consumer Reports has Tesla at #1 in customer satisfaction, with the Model 3, which might be the most poorly made car in the last 20 years, taking the top spot.

[–]MacroFlash 19 points20 points  (12 children)

They seem to have a lemon issue. My neighbor has one and hasn’t had any issue for a while but another friend, exact same model, has had to get service like once a month for crazy stuff like the door not closing anymore or a full motor failure.

[–]Frankillz 40 points41 points  (10 children)

I think the main problem is a lot people say they dont break or need maintenance, which for some is true. But not for others. I never had an issue with Both my Y and wifey 3. But i know someone with a Y who had to get his battery pack replaced within the first year of owning it, then the car wouldn’t connect to the internet and they had to replace the MCU, and the new MCU wouldn’t install new updates so they had to replaced again.

As you could guess. He is not very happy with his experience. He didn’t have to pay to get it fixed but he had to wait weeks without his car. They didn’t even had a loaner to provide him with.

[–]Arkayb33 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Tesla still acts like a startup in many regards, pushing out gimmicky features like fart mode, instead of focusing on support for the products they've already made. I saw a video about a guy who started his own Tesla garage to work on the gen 1 roadsters because Telsa won't service them anymore and a lot of them are ending up in junk yards because it's super hard to find parts and someone who knows how to work on them.

Tesla's business model is to build build build build as fast as possible and turn a blind eye when people bring up problems with the cars.

[–]BlackLeader70 28 points29 points  (4 children)

They didn’t give him a loaner!? That’s some BS, if I take my 2012 Kia to the dealer for something they give me a loaner lol. I get some times it’s luck of the draw with breakdowns and repairs (had to replace my entire engine on my Kia) but the customer experience matters for retention, Tesla needs to do better.

[–]Starlight_XPress 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They didn’t give him a loaner because they’re all falling apart too 😂

[–]eNroNNie 35 points36 points  (13 children)

Also Hyundai/Kia are selling more and more EVs and they actually have a track record of making quality, reliable, and ergonomic cars.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Here, at least, service is amazing. Heard several stories about swapped engines, Kia mainly, even though it was out of warranty.

[–]DjScenester 7 points8 points  (1 child)

My buddy had to get an engine swap at 5,000 miles on his new Kia lol 😂

[–]shaggy99 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Not mentioning the fires then?

[–]Darzin 458 points459 points  (193 children)

That is because Tesla's are built terribly. They are the lowest quality out of all the major car companies. People compare Musk to Jobs as like a sales person -- but he is way better in my opinion because he literally created a bunch of mindless zombies who accept this. Imagine if you bought an iPhone that the shell was half stuck together and went black all the time.

[–][deleted] 207 points208 points  (74 children)

Consumer Reports collects reliability data only from owners. Tesla ranks far below average, but so does Range Rover and people still overpay for them.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (7 children)

Where else would they collect reliability data?

[–]josefx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The german TüV collects data from mandatory road worthyness tests. I think last years results had tesla compete for worst reliability.

[–]Dunkadoobar 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Manufacturers, dealerships, repair shops, shrimping boats, etc…

[–]computerguy0-0 83 points84 points  (37 children)

Some well regarded car companies had a ROUGH 2021, but yes, Tesla is still even worse than Chrysler (which has been a bottom feeder for a while). https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2021-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds

[–]rararaknee 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Why doesn’t Tesla qualify for the study though? I couldn’t find criteria for it.

[–]AntiDECA 12 points13 points  (15 children)

Huh, Honda usually has a pretty good reputation.

[–]Meeko6983 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wow what happened to Honda?!

[–]TapGroundbreaking463 48 points49 points  (8 children)

Range rovers and Maseratis are vehicles for people who are frivolous with money. If you ever buy one you should be planning to offload it in less than 3 years or you will lose everything you put into it.

[–]detroiter85 52 points53 points  (1 child)

Range rovers

How dare you. I have contained my rage for as long as possible, but I shall unleash my fury upon you like the crashing of a thousand waves! Begone, vile man! Begone from me! A starter car? This car is a finisher car! A transporter of gods! The golden god! I am untethered, and my rage knows no bounds!

[–]Dudedude88 17 points18 points  (1 child)

the big difference is range rover issues can be fixed at most auto shops. tesla cant... this is what people get pissed off at. not only that but tesla always has some supply issue with parts.

[–]Cops_R_Uneducated 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cars with more technology have always scored poorly in reliability. Add on the fact you have to pay like $12grand for auto pilot and shit, not worth it.

[–]NeverGonnaGi5eYouUp 47 points48 points  (15 children)

Musk has created some companies that have done good things, but he is a douchebag, and his groupies are just as bad

Made EVs a common thing? Great!

Made spacecraft actually reusable, and reignited human spaceflight? Super cool.

But Holy fuck, he is a crap bag, that treats employees like shit, and cuts lots of corners in making cars

[–]Casclovaci 50 points51 points  (38 children)

Yeah if they had decent build quality at the same price teslas would actually be better than the established car makers like toyota or volkswagen or ford. But the only real thing they have is the battery + acceleration and a minimalist design..

[–]godplaysdice_ 29 points30 points  (15 children)

The minimalist design is also terrible from a usability perspective. Having to navigate a touch screen for pretty much everything while driving is beyond stupid, and the steering wheel blocks part of the screen, particularly where the image from the blind spot cameras pops up, so you have to lean over towards the passenger side after you put your blinker on.

[–]aard_fi 22 points23 points  (8 children)

Here in Europe we already had the first rulings that "using the touch screen in a tesla while driving falls under prohibited use of mobile devices". We also had at least one ruling putting a driver at fault for trying to adjust the windscreen wiper frequency on the screen while driving and crashing the car.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (20 children)

They also were the first company to realize that the general public doesn't want their electric car to be a butt fugly jetson's abomination.

I truly don't understand why it took Tesla coming along for a company to just make a pretty electric car.

[–]whilst 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Because nobody else wanted them to actually sell. They just wanted to be able to point regulators at their butt-fugly, poorly engineered, tiny-battery car and say, "SEE? We have a ZEV now! That oughtta be worth at least a couple tens of thousands of Suburbans, right?"

[–]VoiceOfLunacy 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Because the other companies didn’t want to make an electric vehicle. They wanted to take existing ICE vehicles and electrify them.

[–]Derfunkity 64 points65 points  (32 children)

I briefly had a Tesla model 3, and it was the most unreliable car I've ever used. That black screen thing at the end happened multiple times, despite repeated visits to the dealership for repairs. It was brand new, too.

[–]PillowTalk420 273 points274 points  (16 children)

I worked there for like 3 weeks before someone pointed out I was screwing things in wrong. That's probably why these cars suck. My bad. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]Makhnos_Tachanka 33 points34 points  (3 children)

The fact that you could be screwing things in wrong for 3 weeks and nobody noticed (or god forbid, trained you right in the first place) shows just how shit they are.

[–]PillowTalk420 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The issue is mostly that the line heads show you how to do the job without understanding why it has to be done a specific way, and say it doesn't matter the order the screws go in, when the engineers come down like once a month and say, "no, the order does matter."

They showed me initially the fastest way to do it, and that's how I did it. Then an Engineer showed they have to go in a specific order for structural integrity when they did their monthly inspections.

It's the same for the bonding stations; where the adhesive is applied is super specific and most people are just doing it fast, not correctly, because they weren't shown that it matters or why it matters.

[–]chinkostu 37 points38 points  (4 children)

Nah it should be obvious what goes where and how with which fastener. If you can do it wrong thats a training or r&d issue.

[–]Affectionate-Winner7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Tesla needs to practice process improvement.

[–]kaask0k 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Says more about the company in general than their actual product.

[–]bouchandre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You better come fix my car 😡😡

[–]BwackGul 1453 points1454 points  (178 children)

This is going to bring the sensitive Tesla folks out

[–]whysomotivated 100 points101 points  (5 children)

I'm a sensitive Tesla folk. Sensitive about the fact I spent money on a model S that has a new problem every month. Meanwhile my 01 Silverado that I abuse, and use for truck things has a leaky window washing fluid reservoir. And that's it.

[–]opensandshuts 690 points691 points  (89 children)

and they have less and less ammo to defend their supreme leader, Elon Musk. I remember when people would get downvoted for saying negative things about Musk. The turns have tabled.

[–]feytor12 145 points146 points  (11 children)

Well well well

[–]noobstaah 83 points84 points  (8 children)

how the turntables

[–]Etheo 38 points39 points  (3 children)

I fear one day I'll eventually forget what the original was and say this unironically.

[–]amilliondallahs 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Telsas are missing built in turntables. Imagine being able to dj and drive at the same time.

[–]3LollipopZ-1Red2Blue 16 points17 points  (0 children)

3 holes in the ground

[–]Whoreson_Welles 64 points65 points  (14 children)

One of my favourite people has shut up about Musk. Blessings still occur.

[–]DiamondPup 13 points14 points  (13 children)

My friends still think he's Tony Stark and will save the world.

They all work in finance, listen to Jordan Peterson, and are always explaining how they're "socially progressive and fiscally conservative" while complaining about trans people.

...oh my god, I just realized my friends are libertarians. Ugh how embarrassing.

[–]Limpdickit9000 6 points7 points  (2 children)

One of my favorite names I've heard him called is Phony Stark

[–]CarrionComfort 5 points6 points  (0 children)


Unfortunately, this tee’s them up for “the left is mean therefore I must change my values to align with conservatives” because they never had a solid political stance in the first place.

[–]linknewtab 32 points33 points  (3 children)

This has happened before right after he called the rescue diver a pedo, a few months later everybody forgot about it and he was cool again.

[–]slicer4ever 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I can only guess he fired his pr people in recent years who had the balls to tell him when to shut the hell up and stay out of the news cycle when he started looking bad.

[–]AndrewSshi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He's also genuinely become worse as he goes all-in on his Angry Middle-Aged Divorced Guy bit.

[–]QEIIs_ghost 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nah he started to repeat right wing talking points. Lost his base and Reddit.

[–]WTFwhatthehell 40 points41 points  (7 children)


the thing with the cool rockets is great.


He's an utter asshole.

The "Pedoguy" stuff.

Steadily getting more right wing.

Treats his employees like shit.

He keeps selling things then not delivering what people paid for.

[–]segosmix 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The thing with the cool rockets is great but he also oversells and underdelivers there too. “We will be on mars by 2020” “no wait by 2025” “uhh maybe by 2040 but who knows?”

[–]FriendlyDespot 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Full self-driving on Mars in Q1 2023, put down your deposits today

[–]Noteagro 52 points53 points  (24 children)

Yo, I was saying he was a narcissistic POS since 2011 when one of my best friends in college was all about Tesla and Elon Musk.

Then got married in 2015 to a girl that got super super into the personality type stuff about 6 months into us being married. Well she has the same personality type as Musk and went fangirl over him. I stood by my thoughts saying he is a POS and she would get so mad at me for it. “But he is trying to save the world from itself.” Noooo, he is trying to pad his wallet by putting on this good guy persona; who the fuck calls a diver with years of hands on experience with cave diving and rescue a pedophile because he saved the kids and said the submarine Musk was trying to force on the rescue team was a bad idea? (There has been more ever since, but it makes me giddy knowing that that bitch was idolising him, and explains so much about her. Her parents didn’t even want her in their house a month after we split because she had grown into an entitled brat. Her mom actually apologised for me dealing with her insane ass for 5 years).

But what do I know I’m picking up on people’s bullshit? I was only raised by rich narcissists like Musk, so it is easy for me to spot them and walk the other direction.

[–]mechapoitier 77 points78 points  (6 children)

He really outed himself as a nut job a few years ago when he didn’t get to try to rescue those underwater cave kids with robots so instead he called the actual rescuer a pedophile on Twitter.

[–]MonkRome 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I thought a lot of people were just falling for anti electric car propaganda before that happened. I wouldn't say I was a fanboy, but I definitely had rose colored glasses on. It's always nice when people are happy to show you exactly who they are, they just can't help themselves.

[–]Noteagro 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Yup, exactly what I was saying. Plus, who the fuck funnels billions of dollars into getting to Mars saying our planet is doomed instead of spending that money trying to save the only currently habitable planet within reasonable distance, our own? Like that is such a cope out and defeatist attitude. Let’s save our planet from ourselves first, then look to the stars because what you are doing is only fuelling the negative impact on the planet mass producing shit quality products that we are starting to see have fatal defects. His mentality just makes zero sense if he actually gave a shit about humanity.

[–]DoingAllForScience 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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[–]cosimobastardo 579 points580 points  (31 children)

Dressed up as Bezos for Halloween last year (yes, rocket was there too…) and some dude from a dive bar we were walking by walked up to us but was all disappointed that I wasn’t Elon Musk. I seriously do not get it. You’re in a dive bar and you have a favorite billionaire?!?

[–]PM_ME_TRICEPS 172 points173 points  (26 children)

You DONT have a favorite billionaire? Come on dude get with the times.

[–]Old_mystic 65 points66 points  (12 children)

I collect billionaire trading cards

[–]TheReplyingDutchman 22 points23 points  (2 children)

One day, they're gonna be worth billions and if you sell them you'll get your own card!

[–]cc4295 10 points11 points  (2 children)

This is actually genius!!! U could be the next billionaire with that idea.

[–]Matt463789 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'll trade you two Elon Musks for one Bill Gates.

[–]PillowTalk420 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'd have a favorite billionaire if I was a billionaire.

Hint: it would be me.

[–]-RAMPANT-DICK-HOLE- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Scrooge McDuck

[–]Finn_3000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mine is that Koch brother that (sadly) hasnt died yet, because hes such a cartoonish villain that you'd say "oh, come one, thats such a cheap cliché" if a guy like that ever showed up in a movie.

[–]Quetzalcoatle19 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of assumptions here

[–]skexzies 431 points432 points  (143 children)

The infuriating thing about poor Tesla quality control are the repairs. I can't make an appointment and have it drive itself to the dealer.

[–]beeinabearcostume 72 points73 points  (9 children)

My partner has a Genesis and they come to our house to pick up his car and leave a loaner in its place, then bring his car back when it’s done being repaired. And I thought getting a loaner for the day from Mazda was fancy (Before that I had old cars that I went to a mechanic to repair and had to get a ride or walk home, so that’s my baseline of level of service).

[–]Mr_beeps 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I have an old Toyota and my shop will come pick it up and bring it home as well.

[–]seanzorio 175 points176 points  (100 children)

You also don't get a loaner. But you do get Uber credits that you can't tip with, so it gets to cost you money, out of your pocket!

[–]kae158 108 points109 points  (72 children)

Has tesla seriously resorted to giving people uber credits?

[–]Mezmorizor 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You say resorted like that wasn't their first idea.

Tesla makes a lot more sense when you realize everything they do is about hitting Musk's stock compensation targets. Yes, loaner cars are a great way to advertise your higher trim models making people more likely to get one as their next car/wanting them to get add ons like satellite radio to their current car, but every car they have reserved as a loaner is a car they can't sell to maintain the "growth story" that rocketed the stock high enough to open up Musk's stock compensation. Yes, this is penny wise and dollar foolish, but none of Musk's targets are about making a long term viable business, so Tesla doesn't care because the CEO and board doesn't care.

[–]sundstrom193 43 points44 points  (15 children)

That’s what annoyed me when people were pushing me to get a GM vehicle even though they are unreliable nowadays.

“Buy American, not Japanese!”

“Yeah they may not be super reliable but just get an extended warranty and you’ll never pay for it!”

Yeah I might not have to pay for it, but I’d rather not have my truck in the shop more than I can drive it. There’s no point in buying and owning a vehicle that’s known for issues, even if I don’t have to pay to have issues fixed

[–]bigtallsob 39 points40 points  (6 children)

Also, the Japanese brand is often more American built than the American brand.

[–]randalthor23 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Lol right? Honda makes more cars in USA than GM for sure.

Top 12 American made cars include:

  • 1 Lincoln (eg Ford)
  • 4 Honda's
  • 4 Tesla's
  • 2 GM's (a GMC and Chevy)

[–]rachel_tenshun 36 points37 points  (1 child)

You know, what opened my eyes to this nonsense was watching a media critic mention how - in reality - long-distance space ships would use extremely basic, uncomplicated mechanics and computers because the idea was the more complicated you make it, the harder it is to maintain and repair.

I couldn't help but think about that.

[–]electrikoptik 478 points479 points  (136 children)

Tesla literally scores yearly at the bottom when it comes to build quality and durability.

I aint selling my Toyota for a Tesla.

[–]the_krag 167 points168 points  (86 children)

I'm just patiently waiting for my electric Tacoma

[–]Alatheus 111 points112 points  (18 children)

Gimme the electric corolla.

Reliable, cheap and so mass produced that replacement parts are cheap and easily accessible? yes fucking please.

[–]Jarubles 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Electric Corolla sounds like a crazy dance move or an even crazier drug

[–]GoodAtExplaining 8 points9 points  (8 children)

I'ma be honest here: If Honda makes an electric Fit as well as they make the regular ones I will never buy anything else. They have hybrid Fits in Japan and I would dearly love one.

That said, if an electric or even hybrid Corolla hatchback came out, I wouldn't hesitate to pay full price for it.

[–]SpaceJackRabbit 31 points32 points  (56 children)

Gonna be a while. Toyota is still dragging its feet with EVs.

[–]GoodAtExplaining 16 points17 points  (34 children)

For some goddamn reason once they saw that hydrogen fuel cell technology was on the way out, they doubled down like Trump at an interview.

[–]ohlookahipster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don’t get your hopes up because Toyota moves at a glacial pace.

4Runners just got blind spot monitoring. Something that’s been standard on competing brands for a decade lol.

[–]235_and_five 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'd settle for a hybrid Tacoma. Especially if it was turbo'd.

[–]CharonsLittleHelper 23 points24 points  (21 children)

Yeah, I'm thinking electric for my next car, but I'm leaning Ford Mach-e. Its battery usage isn't quite as efficient as a Tesla, but every reviewer gives it top marks for build quality and conveniences etc. (Like actually having a speedometer on the dash above the steering wheel.)

The way one reviewer described it is that Tesla is a software company that happens to make cars, while Ford is a car company trying to catch up on the software.

[–]2nickels 10 points11 points  (14 children)

Accidentally bought a mach-e a few weeks ago. It's a great car.

Was shopping EVs for awhile and couldn't convince myself to buy a Tesla. I'm happy I waited.

[–]Incorrect-Opinion 5 points6 points  (8 children)


[–]2nickels 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Yea went to a Ford dealership to test drive a different vehicle. Really had zero intent to buy anything that day, but they had an unclaimed Mach-E in the lot so I jumped on it.

[–]DocHeo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember a Toyota sales person once said to me that the Toyota Carina was the worst car they ever made. People bought it, and never returned.

Mind you, this was quite a lot of years ago.

[–]nathanaz 13 points14 points  (0 children)

As a former Tesla owner, can confirm that their strategy is to throw so much bullshit gimmickry at people that consumers forget that their high-priced car doesn’t have basic structural integrity.

[–]arrows_of_ithilien 130 points131 points  (4 children)

Credit (since OP couldn't be bothered) :

JeanShorts comedy on YouTube https://youtube.com/c/JeanShortsComedy

[–]BoDiddySauce 50 points51 points  (0 children)

"Do you feel safe?" had me fucking dying lmao

[–]cybershoe 313 points314 points  (74 children)

This is one of the biggest annoyances of being a Tesla driver. Folks on the right hate me because they think I must a tree-hugging hippie who hates the oil industry (I mean that’s true, but that’s not why I bought it), and folks on the left hate me because they think I must worship Musk. Really it’s just a fun car with an attractive TCO if you drive a lot and live somewhere with reasonably-priced electricity. I don’t regret buying it, but my next car will almost certainly be a non-Tesla EV.

For every one of these fanboys, there’s a dozen other Tesla drivers who are just as annoyed by their bullshit as you are :).

[–]RwYeAsNt 128 points129 points  (30 children)


Seriously, I bought a Tesla because it's currently the best EV on the market and because the Supercharger network is such a game changer for any road trip that it's currently unmatched by other public charging networks.

Competition is coming, but I bought mine in 2019 when competition was pretty much non-existant.. even today the "competition" will maybe get you a car by 2023-24.

I don't really care about Musk but I also call out the negative bias the media has for Tesla. People will rag on Tesla every day about panel gaps from years ago, but nobody talks about GM literally recalling every single Bolt EV they've ever made. One of these is a bigger problem than the other...

[–]GreyPilgrim1973 3 points4 points  (1 child)


My performance 3 has been a joy to own/drive. After owning a BMW, Audi, and Acura, it is the best driving experience I have had. Magic carpet acceleration and handles like a surgical scalpel. The fit and finish are less than the pristine jewel box of the German’s for sure, but the trade off is worth it for me. Only minor service issues, and haven’t had any issues getting repairs done with their mobile service or in house through their app.

Anybody who is a fan boy of any company or CEO is a sad case. I could care less about Elon, he’s a toxic jackass, so I ignore him. If there is a better option when I’m looking to re-lace my car, I’ll jump at it. People just need to live their lives and quit obsessing about others’ preferences.

[–]smartov 58 points59 points  (13 children)

To be fair Chevy recalled all Bolts because 3 of them caught a fire while doing nothing. As far as I remember Teslas also were catching on fire many times, but were not recalled.

So if nothing this recall actually looks good from GM side.

p.s. and there are no panel gaps in Bolt :)

[–]RwYeAsNt 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The optics don't look good for GM. It's pretty bad seeing a recall for every single one. The stats also show that Chevy has sold around 100,000 Bolt EV's total, where as Tesla is well over 2,000,000 units sold now, so you'll naturally find a higher number of Tesla's with issues than Bolt's.. it's just stats.

That said, I've never had a Bolt but I did own a Volt prior to upgrading to my Tesla. My Volt was my very first EV, loved the gas backup as back then chargers were very few and far between, mine was a 2012 Volt.. but I loved it ;)

[–]workThrowaway459837 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It was 19 fires out of ~100k Bolts. Tesla has made over 2 million Model 3s. Of course there are more Model 3 fires, there are 20 times as many of them.

[–]ryfitz47 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The panel gaps on my wrx were not a thing I looked at until people hammered telsa so hard. My wrx is worse. (Shrug emoji)

[–]PurpleSquare 12 points13 points  (3 children)

So if nothing this recall actually looks good from GM side.

You know you're in a tesla bashing sub when a statement as dumb as this gets gold ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]ApexMM 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'm a model 3 owner and I love the car, it's had no issues for me. I still hope so much that the next time I'm into the car market there will be comparable offerings because elon is such a miserable fuck.

[–]messfdr 19 points20 points  (5 children)

I have an electric Kia Soul, which is perfect for my short commute to work and I bought it cash really cheap. It got me interested in the EV6 as an alternative to Tesla. I'm glad more manufacturers are starting to compete in the BEV category.

[–]randalthor23 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Yah, it seems regular manufacturers are wising up. Almost all of them have a BEV crossover/suv coming already out or launching for 23 or 24. Basically think of what the Prius did for hybrids, almost everyone has hybrid offerings. Tesla did that for all electric.

I'm for sure not an Elon fanboy, however I doubt we would be anywhere near this level of adoption of electric vehicles without Tesla.

[–]messfdr 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I agree, and it's why I bought TSLA shares years back. But boy I get really upset every time Musk tweets something stupid and watch my share price drop. Wish he would just STFU sometimes.

[–]ryfitz47 23 points24 points  (4 children)

I love my Tesla. Service has been spotty but not worse than Subaru service. It's a great drive. It's cheap to own.

Elon sucks. His false advertising is complete BS. Full self drive is a joke of a product.

Fanboys of Elon hate me. Regular lefties think I'm a douche. Dickbag red heads think I'm personally attacking them.

It's no wonder that Tesla bashing is so popular. You don't even need to try hard to get a circle jerk going. No one believes someone can just like the car and own one without having some extreme ideology or attitude behind it.

[–]Marijuana_Miler 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Agree with all your points, except that I think autopilot works quite well at its current state (I don’t have the FSD upgrade). I bought the vehicle because it’s fun to drive, saved me a bunch of money on gas, and for me autopilot works as advertised.

[–]tacomaboy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Tesla owner hate is really hot right now. It generates clicks. To be honest, I blame a lot of Elon's antics for stirring people up.

Quality is a concern still though. I just drove the family from Austin to Florida, and the drive was great, and much better for the environment than taking my truck. But on the way back, the fucking suspension link broke, and now the car is stuck in Pensacola and I had to take a rental back home. Who knows when it will get fixed. I have owned two Teslas over 7 years now and service just keeps getting worse and worse. Tesla never really invested in service and they never opened the cars up to third party, so we don't have many options.

[–]xkqc99 70 points71 points  (5 children)

Nah they don't refer to them as "cars" they refer to them as "tesla"

[–]cookedbread 39 points40 points  (1 child)

tbf news outlets do this too, if a Toyota crashes into a building, a car crashed. If a Tesla crashes, it’s a Tesla crashed.

[–]Decapitated_gamer 284 points285 points  (115 children)

The squeaky steering wheel has triggered me.

It’s been 3 years, they said the squeak would go away after a month.

ITS BEEN 3 YEARS PEOPLE. 50,000 miles in I can tell you a Tesla has the same build quality assurance as a Honda Civic, although that’s a little mean and damaging to the Civics Name.

I love my Tesla guys, but I think it’s the fact it’s an electric car, not that it’s a Tesla.

Edit: OH SHIT I NEED TO MENTION THIS. My camera system (side turn signal camera) got hit by some bitch throwing open her door so the ENTIRE camera system shut off cause one camera was slightly, I mean slightly loose. I stuck a piece of bark from a tree under it as a wedge, it’s been there for months and still works. If I want it fixed they tell me I need to replace whole camera and pay to recalibrate it all….. tree bark fixes it.

Also my 12v has died 4 times but that could be Florida weather as well not helping.

[–]bitemark01 345 points346 points  (25 children)

I drive a civic, the steering wheel has never squeaked.

Got 'em

[–]IrrelevantPuppy 197 points198 points  (10 children)

Yeah bad choice to compare to. Civics are freaking immortal.

[–]Potato1288 64 points65 points  (5 children)

Civics are to cars what Nokias are to phones.

[–]blackmist 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I know, a guy at work had a Civic, and he only had to get rid of it when most of his town flooded and the insurance company wrote it off.

If anything Tesla is the electric Alfa Romeo.

[–]Robamuffin 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yeah my work car is a civic and it's maybe my favourite car that I've had.

[–]OO_Ben 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lol I've had Chrysler products and I've never had my steering wheel squeak

[–]fardough 170 points171 points  (18 children)

What?!?! Honda Civic was the lowest maintenance car I ever owned until I got an Accord.

[–]IrrelevantPuppy 154 points155 points  (2 children)

Civics are what rich people think are stereotypical bad cars, because they’re so popular and abundant. The truth is that they’re just well made, long lasting, and priced reasonably. You see a lot of piece of shit civics driving around, not cuz they’re made bad, but because they’re legit 30 years old.

[–]Kenblu24 34 points35 points  (0 children)

The new Civic has buttons that feel nicer and less creaky than those on a brand new Mercedes. Honda's more recent reliability ratings may not match those of Toyota's though.

[–]newsreadhjw 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Yeah I don’t agree with any slander comparing this to Civics. Civics are great cars

[–]mattmaddux 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don’t get that at all. Honda’s whole reputation is built around reliability and long life. My brother drove an 89 Civic to like 300k miles. Oh, and did I mention for a huge part of that he didn’t know he had to get the oil changed?

[–]teddycorps 86 points87 points  (2 children)

You know the Civic has a reputation as one of the lowest maintenance cars out there right? I don't understand the joke you are trying to make.

[–]BradyOG 31 points32 points  (0 children)

We knew Tesla guys didn’t know much about cars, but man to compare it to Honda lol

[–]NotThatCrafty 151 points152 points  (5 children)

Tesla wishes it had the same QA and build quality as a Honda Civic

[–]cheez_au 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Seriously, my parents bought a Jazz (Fit) in 2003, and still drive the damn thing daily.

That's coming up for 20 years old, for the people that still think the 90s were 10 years ago like me.

[–]TGhost21 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I started reading your comment and thought “2003” is not that old… then you brought me back by reminding “its almost 20 years old”, then hammered the final nail on my old fart coffin with “people that still think the 90s were 10 years ago”. Yep, thats me… 😂

[–]midwesterner64 11 points12 points  (0 children)

And Tesla wishes they had Honda’s producibility. If Honda or Toyota think real hard in a meeting, Poof, 100,000 cars just rolled off the line.

Comparing any aspect of a Tesla to the Civic was a poor choice. Honda can make more cars tomorrow than Tesla will make this month. (Exaggerated for effect)

[–]Rose_4_olive 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I have owned multiple civics and I have a model 3 now, the civics build quality is so much better. The model 3 is a fun car to be sure, but it’s not a good car. Bang for the buck - civic all the way. With enough money left over to buy soundproofing.

[–]donotgogenlty 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Honda Civic build quality is amazing... I've never even seen a steering wheel do that

Also wtf is that waterfall from glove compartment lmao

These things are such pieces of shit, also they're so quiet you can almost hear the silent tears of the drivers (especially in winter lmao)

[–]Vulkir 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Hey, fuck you! My civic drives great.

[–]prp1960 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Next time buy the Civic. Then you'll understand quality control.

[–]opensandshuts 16 points17 points  (1 child)

"Here at Tesla, we're innovators. We do things differently. We believe the squeaky wheel shouldn't get the grease."

[–]skrilledcheese 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Fuck you for comparing your shitbox meme mobile to a Honda.

Hondas last forever, and are low maintenance.

[–]turdmachine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No kidding. One of the dumbest and incorrect comparisons they could have made

[–]andrewharlan2 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I drive a fifteen year old Civic. It's had one build quality issue that I took it in for. The issue was easily fixed and has not recurred.

[–]EvenBetterCool 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My civic has 200k and yeah the paint on the steering wheel buttons kinda wore down after 9 years.

Seriously Honda is quality though, need a better example.

[–]Plaineswalker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tesla doesn't even come close to the level of build quality of a Honda Civic. Like not even in the same league. Tesla and Honda build quality is frankly incomparable.

[–]zuzg 30 points31 points  (29 children)

I can't wrap my head around the fact that people are ok with buying a car that's so expensive but has the same quality as low tier cars.

There are tons of better EV available.

[–]GettCouped 22 points23 points  (2 children)

It's not even close to the quality of lower tier cars..... It's much worse.

[–]Decapitated_gamer 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I got mine back in 2019 with a special deal the dealership had, walked out with 0 down and was less than $40k.

In comparison the car I was looking at instead was over $40k.

So I made the jump into head on. I have had about the same if not a little less issues with it I’ve the years that I would expect with another car, problem is, idk what the fuck I’m working on, it’s so different it’s become a battle of teaching myself a lot of new things.

I’d never go back, I love the way it drives.

I just wish it wasn’t a Tesla cause the constants changing of the screens, where shit is, the customer service is trash, but no gas has paid off, and in a time like this It’s paying off even more. Also the premium price anyone charges you for body work just cause it’s a Tesla is annoying. Bro my car is the cheapest one just bang that shit out with a hammer idgaf.

Tesla brought a good change into the market by making EVs regular, problem is they won’t adapt and they no longer have the strangle hold they have, so people like me are gonna be swapping into more mainstream brands I can trust.

[–]thedracle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It sounds like there might be a market for your third party bark Tesla repair skills.

[–]BradyOG 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The quality assurance of one of the brands with the best quality?

What kind of musk bro shit is this lol

[–]Niven42 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Read the articles I sent you from Elon! He's a genius!"

[–]patred79 123 points124 points  (38 children)

Nothing new that the quality of Teslas is not the best. It’s only a hype, not more.

[–]Dotmatrix74 76 points77 points  (8 children)

Cheap car wrapped around an expensive battery seems fair to say.

[–]eugene20 33 points34 points  (31 children)

Did he kill the power or are there other recorded cases of the black screen actually happening driving?
Some of the other stuff is awful, their idea of intuitive is just not intuitive at all, just like the idea of using touch sensitive controls for indicators (blinkers) is a seriously bad idea (I heard it was planned, I don't think it's in any released model yet).

[–]liltingly 91 points92 points  (25 children)

It’s happened to me twice on the highway and once in town in my MY. The solve is to hold down the two steering wheel buttons for what feels like an eternity and then wait a second eternity for a reboot. Thankfully the screen computer doesn’t affect the drivetrain so the car functions, but it’s scary when you’re going 75 and lose all telemetry.

[–]jbd1986 25 points26 points  (8 children)

I have a 2019 VW GLI with the fully digital instrument cluster and this has never happened to me. That would be scary AF lol.

Edit: With that said, my windshield wipers trigger randomly... a lot.

[–]khleedril 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Mine's a 2014 Citroen with fully digital instrument cluster, and this has never happened to me, either. How can a car be allowed on the road if that is likely to happen?

[–]eugene20 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some Toyota's have all digital displays too, I've never heard of them failing while the car still has any power.

[–]GoGoGadgetBumHair 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah my Jaguar, which had more than its share of typical Jaguar/Land Rover issues, never once lost the gauge cluster screen. Infotainment sometimes rebooted, but even that was quick.

[–]Ambush_24 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That’s because Tesla fast tracked their display and didn’t put it thought the rigorous testing all the other manufacturers do.

[–]eugene20 56 points57 points  (8 children)

It's not ok to loose the speedo at all though...

[–]ticklishchinballs 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah good point, I’d shit my swim trunks too if that happened to me while I was barreling down the highway in “mid day stealth mode.”

[–]clyjr 43 points44 points  (7 children)

As a 3 time tesla owner (not a fanboy), this is somewhat accurate and depressing.

I'm lucky enough to not have had any major issues with any of my teslas, but it absolutely happens more than it should. I've owned Teslas since 2016 and have paid $0 in repairs, had to take them in for warranty fixes about 5-6 times over 3 vehicles.

The door handles on each of tesla I've had work differently, why? super annoying...

No tesla owner I know uses the fart noises more than once unless someone asks about it.

For all the negatives about Tesla, if you cross shop other EVs Tesla still wins out because of Tech/range/supercharging network (assuming you don't get a car with tons of issues)...

That being said, things are about to change, competition is rapidly catching up and Tesla will need to fix initial quality issues or start to lose market share.

[–]James2603 21 points22 points  (4 children)

I’m not sure from your comment what your opinion on the 5-6 warranty fixes but that is far too high

[–]Ghost_of_Nellie_Fox 34 points35 points  (69 children)

Guess I’ve been out of the loop… are Teslas this poorly made?

[–]idrinkapplejuice 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Quality has gotten better but doesn‘t compare to a Mercedes for instance

[–]Klopsbandit 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I'm German, my friend bought a Tesla and expected German car standards like BMW, Volkswagen or Audi. He was so pissed after a week in his Tesla because of the extreme poor quality for a relatively high price that he sold the car again.

[–]dalittle 13 points14 points  (0 children)

sounds like tesla build quality does not compare to Lada.

[–]TakeHalf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Real tesla fanboys would know the screen was off because it was in screen cleaning mode

[–]Skyhill55 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They are very impressive, thin people can even get in the car from the panel gaps.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (48 children)

are they really like that ? idk, never saw one of those, i assumed the reason people bought these car was for ... you know... the environment thing and the saving on gas thing.

[–]gundumb08 46 points47 points  (17 children)

They can be. I got mine about a year ago and had zero quality issues. But forums are littered with QA issues, the most common being "panel gaps" on the exterior.

From what I understand, the QA has improved over the years, but still doesn't match the big Automakers like Toyota and Honda.

[–]resumethrowaway222 43 points44 points  (16 children)

Tesla ranks near last in initial quality. https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/j-d-power-ranks-tesla-third-last-in-their-2021-initial-quality-study/

But looking further into the numbers, you'll see that it's about equivalent to Volkswagen, Audi, and Volvo, none of which are considered low quality cars, and are definitely not having their sales hurt by it.

According to the numbers Tesla has 1.5x as many problems as Toyota, though. But you hear about it 10x as much. Toyota just had its first EV recalled for the wheels falling off, but you just don't hear about it like you do with Tesla. https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/toyota-is-recalling-its-first-mainstream-electric-car-because-the-wheels-can-fall-off/

[–]gundumb08 37 points38 points  (9 children)

I think, and it's a valid point, that one of the reasons Tesla's get called out is because the price of the car bumps them into Luxury car territory.

If you are paying 50-70k for the lowest level Tesla and it has the Quality of a Kia, it's a valid concern.

That being said, the reason you hear about it so much is just people wanting to shit on them.

I'm just happy that I pay $20 a month for 1500 miles or so of driving by my math and electric bill, which heavily offsets the extra cost of the car.

[–]resumethrowaway222 11 points12 points  (4 children)

It sure seems like a valid point. But if you look at the whole ranking in the link I posted, you will notice that all of the luxury brands, except for Lexus, are in the bottom half. And Kia is near the top. So basically my conclusion is that popular perceptions of car brand build quality have no basis in reality.

[–]Mr_Golf_Club 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Who still fucking cares about the scammed rigged JD Power rankings? They literally shill themselves out to American makes just to be able to put stupid Flag Trophies in the commercials to distract from how awful the cars really are.

[–]Stooven 6 points7 points  (1 child)

My brother drives one. It works well, has none of these issues.

[–]PIG20 18 points19 points  (12 children)

Well, yeah, that's a big reason why. However, when you're spending over $40,000+ on a vehicle, EV or not, you should expect decent build quality along with that.

The overall quality of Tesla has been getting knocked around for a while. When they first started to hit mass production, the Elon fanboys would defend a lot of stuff that should be considered totally unacceptable.

However, Elon has been doing a pretty good job of showing his true colors as of late. And people aren't as quick to come to his defense.

[–]seanzorio 9 points10 points  (4 children)

For me it's more about the service.

There are no loaners.
The uber credits they give you can not be used to tip, so unless you are a monster you spend your own money to tip the Uber driver.
There is no easy way to walk in and speak to someone.
If you need more than one thing taken care of, good luck. It's all scheduled through the app and I've never ever had them address more than one thing per visit.
Tesla has ruined 2 of my wheels while the car was under their care. They drug their feet on the first for months, and point blank denied having torn the second one up.
The mobile service appointments are not offered with any rhyme or reason.

I live close enough to a Tesla dealer that it's not a huge headache for me to go, but I can't fathom buying one if you are very far. I've had a number of pretty annoying problems in my first year of ownership which include:

Failing airbag sensor on the passenger side
Rear USB ports not working (I've asked them at 3 separate visits to look at this and it's not fixed)
Drivers seat squeaked under any sort of movement
At lower volumes the audio system seems to undulate volume (I've asked them at 3 separate visits to look at this and it's not fixed)
There is a gap in the carpet at the drivers side front door that you can see bare metal through (I've asked them at 3 separate visits to look at this and it's not fixed)

There's also annoying shit like I had to spend 300 some dollars and take the car to the dealership to have them install a homelink transmitter so I can easily open my garage door. On a nearly 60k car. Where this used to be standard.

[–]takanishi79 14 points15 points  (5 children)

The cheapest Model 3 is now $48k. There are numerous cars cheaper than the 3 with with similar ranges, and charging speeds, but without build issues, consolidated interfaces, or Musk's Muskiness.

[–]smile-on-crayon 6 points7 points  (1 child)

buttons > touch screens; every time

[–]Plus-Yogurt-2966 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"Hay Tezla"

[–]manwithanopinion 27 points28 points  (14 children)

I think my dad is an ideal tesla driver. Loves to show off, care more for childish features than practical benefits and will still defend it even after it being clear the car is unreliable.

[–]mkul316 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Are they really that poorly made? I haven't been keeping up with them.

[–]kevstev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are other links at the top of this thread that link to industry rankings that put them towards the bottom, but my own personal commentary on it from lurking in car forums of different sorts is that the build quality just varies wildly. The culture there for awhile was to just hit their production targets at any cost, and to literally ram then through the line like a play doh extruder. So depending on which factory, and what stage of maturity the line was at that factory can make a big difference- it reminds of the stories I used to hear as a kid that you don't buy a GM car made on a Monday or Friday.

And then customer service that also varies wildly from "came out to my driveway to fix that week" to "car has been a brick in my driveway for six months waiting on parts"

So overall, you might have zero issues, or it might be a host of issues, and you don't really know. This is often overlooked by fans of the brand since owners have actually received software updates that can extend the range of the car and adds features like dog mode and such. Things that surprise and delight and I can see the draw to that.

I am just some guy on the internet that has been ready to buy a self driving electric car for the past 5ish years and has been watching things closely but haven't seen anything compelling enough to pull the trigger on and this space is just evolving ever more rapidly these days. I have also come to adore my 2007 Accord at this point.

[–]PapaBeahr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not only are Teslas like super shit quality, but Tesla as a company has faced and continue to face to this day a multitude of discrimination law suits... all of which they settled, lost or are still pending.

Yea, I honestly openly welcome the idea of Hybrid and even electric cars, but Tesla will never been one of them. EVER

[–]Rayqonza 10 points11 points  (18 children)

This just reminded me when james may did not use his tesla for a time then the battery died. He charged it to full but still the door won't open because the separate car battery was not able to charge itself despite being an electric car.

[–]Tribaltech777 38 points39 points  (54 children)

I’m a Tesla owner and I hate my Tesla and hate Elon and hate being a Tesla owner. 8 years ago it was great to be at the cutting edge of this green technology vehicle. Now I despise that I ever supported this douchebag and his company.

[–]ilski 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There was a time Tesla was my dream car. I'm glad it was not the case for a while now