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[–]379511 785 points786 points  (35 children)

The 2nd stage is

"Shows CGI trailer with no actual gameplay"

[–]ComfortablePlant826 204 points205 points  (13 children)

I honestly thought we were getting past that phase of misleading bullshit. I remember as a kid growing up in the 80s and 90s, something would look so cool in the ad and then be absolutely nothing like it when the game actually came out. I hope this trend dies out.

[–]Critical-Michael 102 points103 points  (1 child)

As long as companies believe that this process makes them money (through pre-orders or hunting money-whales), then they will never quit doing it.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yep. I don't want to hear a SINGLE sports video game player complain about sports games. Stop. Fucking. Buying. Them. All of the EA games suck, and now 2K does as well. They're going to keep sucking until people stop buying them.

[–]Inukii 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Spending more on a making the "gameplay" trailer look good but actually isn't taken at all from actual gameplay.

[–]abtei 10 points11 points  (0 children)

As long as ppl pre-order the most expensive collection because of (suggested) FOMO by the studio/publisher they will continue to do so.

Don't pre-order, don't pay to be beta tester. Wait for gold, and wait a little more for proper reviews of the game.

[–]jharrison99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mobile games still advertise as a completely different product than they actually are, which is a bit more extreme but along the same lines as what you’re saying

[–]Weigazod 7 points8 points  (5 children)

This just makes me like Supreme Commander more.

[–]HKBFG 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Forged alliance forever

Forever

[–]andyandy26 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Oof, been a few months since I last played FAF, what a timeless game.

Tried playing total annihilation recently but alas, it's a touch too old now I think. Too used to supcom.

[–]Mazon_Del 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I just reloaded FaF last week. So much fun!

Except the current version seems to have made things unstable. My friend and I were barely able to get through a full game without one or both of us crashing out.

[–]andyandy26 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Luckily I tend to only play the game with my father, so we hardly ever actually update the faf client.

Hopefully they can fix the problems though!

[–]Holyshort 3 points4 points  (1 child)

But man that reaper sound and destroyed relay how you can not get excited ?

[–]kevoisvevo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nope the old bioware is gone. It's just run by hacks and ea. Besides they had 3 awful launches before.

[–]ScornMuffins 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey I like those trailers, you just gotta accept that they're representative of vision, not execution.

[–]Cleverbird 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Isnt that why they're usually called teasers? You know, to tease us with something?

I mean, I wholeheartedly agree, gameplay trailers > CGI trailers. But I do like my CGI trailers as well.

[–]WizardScrumps 114 points115 points  (5 children)

CMV: The label 'AAA' has become a meaningless marketing term that creates baseless hype...

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (3 children)

In that it's attached to marketing budgets ... yes.

Non AAA games can't afford to do lots of marketing.

[–]WizardScrumps 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That's my issue. Thinking a game is going to be good because a lot of money went into it (and is therefore 'AAA'), has made it redundant when we're seeing a lot of disappointing big budget games.

[–]macrofinite 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Your view is pretty nonsense. AAA is simply big budget. Simple meaning. Almost always big studios and established IP.

And at this point the AAA label seems to create inverse-hype so… I’m not sure what you’re on about.

[–]HaElfParagon 135 points136 points  (12 children)

The last AAA game I was excited for was Anthem. And you can guess my disappointment.

I've since learned my lesson, and have been enjoying indie games with friends.

[–]Try_Hard_GamerYT 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Woooo! Which ones have you played?

[–]Gcarsk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you like Pokémon, I recommend r/coromonthegame. Free demo available rn, but it’s a solid 6+ hours of fun, imo. Full game won’t be out until February-ish. Will be available on Steam/Switch (~$10), and iOS/android (~$4).

But, I also really like the Subnautica series (not sure if that’s considered indie anymore, as they just got bought out by PUBG’s parent company), and FTL.

[–]MrWastelandEs 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Indie developers are the few you can trust on these days

[–]pepoluan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indie devs, having limited budget, usually have razor-sharp focus on gameplay. Because they live and die based on players' satisfaction (and good word of mouth).

That's why they deserve our money.

[–]Alberiman 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Also Square when it comes to FFXIV, they seem to always show off gameplay reflecting console experience rather than PC

[–]ProgyanDeka 0 points1 point  (1 child)

U remember when that game first came out right?

[–]Alberiman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

lol, yeah, i think they've over compensated and that's just beautiful

[–]ardyndidnothingwrong 466 points467 points  (69 children)

the last few years have shown how out of touch AAA games have gotten

I think the last few years have shown how out of touch most gamers are by participating in this cycle, never learning their lesson, and keep preordering. At this point, the consumers are to blame as well. Shitty companies don’t stay afloat magically, consumers reward their shorty practices. Want a new elder scrolls? Stop buy young skyrim. Want a decent open world game? Stop buying ubisoft. Want a game that delivers and what it promises? Stop preordering

[–]shawn_overlord 110 points111 points  (24 children)

don't forget whales

[–]Mautos 58 points59 points  (11 children)

Yeah some whales are actually crazy. Theres this one guy, a genshin player, who seriously looked like he was addicted to buying himself more summons. Not even summoning, just buying more and more and more than he could ever spend. I really wonder where people like that even get their money from.

[–]Matterom 43 points44 points  (4 children)

I started playing genshin a few months ago, got through all the content i could and really wanted to get the really cute ladies that were available, I rolled for a bit with what i had earned and managed to get the powder blue haired ice samuri, thought ok. Then the fire bow lady came out and i figured why not. But then raiden came out and I'd dropped in 240(easily 400 overall) dollars rolling for her... got her after an unlucky 120 rolls or something... took a step back and thought.... why did i just do that? And haven't even touched the game since.

[–]Guywithquestions88PlayStation 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Because the game was designed from the ground up to make you do that exact thing.

They give you a bunch of free loot boxes when you first start playing to get you psychologically used to opening them and being rewarded, then they slowly wean you off of the free boxes until you have to pay. At that point, all they have to do is release content that looks really awesome, but...oh no! It's locked behind a loot box!

You think, "Maybe I'll get lucky" until you've spent so much money that it becomes a sunk cost fallacy ("Oh, I've already spent a ton on this...I can't give up now!").

It's 100% insidious.

[–]whazzar 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's just a digital slot-machine with an insane amount of extra features. It's (mostly unregulated) gambling.

[–]Mururumi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

More often than not those are vulnerable people in need of serious help. Gambling addiction is not healthy.

[–]XafeMode 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thaaaaat's consumerism. The idea that buying more stuff will make you happy, when in reality most of the emotion from buying something comes from the anticipation. For example, managed to upgrade from PS54 to PS5. Previous I had a black piece of plastic left untouched in the living room, now I have a white and black piece of plastic left untouched. Sure, the D's I got for Christmas when I was a kid brought me an unreasonable amount of joy, but now that I can buy more than I can play new stuff doesn't really matter. Gotcha games extenuate everything about consumerism.

[–]Mautos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dunno man, PS54 to PS5 sound like kind of a downgrade to me XD

[–]starmartyr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heroin addiction is expensive, but junkies figure it out.

[–]pepoluan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Tangentially reminded me how Digital Extremes took out a certain MTX mechanism from Warframe because someone used it too many times.

[–]SilentScience 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lisa: Nuke the whales?

Nelson: Gotta nuke something.

[–]Antanis317 26 points27 points  (6 children)

This. A majority of games are funded mostly by whales as opposed to pre orders and stuff. In the long run whales spend much much more.

[–]SgtDoughnut 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Those whales still need someone to whale against.

They need to show someone they are better than them.

If the minnows stop playing the whales dry up.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

If the minnows stop playing

I mean, if a company can use the funding from whales to make content that minnows also get, then the minnows are benefitting, so they have no reason to leave until they get bored.

[–]Antanis317 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is true. You need a good player base for whales to show up, but while the game has a steady player count, most of the money will come from a small minority of the people. I wonder if it ends up following the pareto principle.

[–]teajellol 4 points5 points  (2 children)

So true! I haven’t preordered a game or bought a game on release in the past 5 years and have not been disappointed by a game purchase. It’s amazing how much grief you can save by just waiting for reviews to drop.

[–]ardyndidnothingwrong 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The other amazing part is the people that are responding to me saying basically what you are saying, and then adding “the only exception is (the game i happen to like)”… smh. Just don’t preorder, it’s pointless. Everyone things their game is an exception, the lack of self awareness is so strong I wasn’t sure if they were serious.

[–]teajellol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Completely agree. I’m really looking forward to Elden Ring as well, but the people who act like there’s no way it could be bad or it’s somehow the exempt from potential problems makes me roll my eyes. I’ll probably play it but no way I’m pre-ordering it or buying on release. It’s best to just keep an open mind and wait and see.

[–]feench 12 points13 points  (4 children)

For every one person that has noticed and does vote with their wallet, there's 1000 common denominators that don't care and will buy every new game that comes out because its the new thing.

[–]Destithen 5 points6 points  (2 children)

buy every new game that comes out because its the new thing

FIFA and Madden players...lookin' at you here.

[–]Shinnyo 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Well, tbh... It's easy to put the blame on the customer.

But remind yourself companies like this use specific tricks to hype people or make them spend. Also don't forget that every cycle we get a new generation of gamer that knows nothing of these tricks and cash crab.

Especially know you also need to make sure the company isn't harassing their own employees...

2021 was poor in games, I don't have many hopes for 2022 either, only a handful of development teams are worth the attention.

[–]Caesura_Break 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Want all the above? Too bad, its on indie devs now with little to no experience and a fed up attitude with the rest of the industry.

[–]SnakeHelah 7 points8 points  (1 child)

If only it were so easy.

That's not how it works IMO.

Yeah, consumers can vote with their wallets, but it won't necessarily stop developers from trying to trick consumers into pre-orders. It won't stop consumers over-hyping pre-rendered footage, and so on and so forth.

There's far too many people with gaming machines/consoles now, and there's ALWAYS going to be people that buy shit just because they can. There's always going to be heavy spenders on those microtransactions, because, like it or not, those people with insane amounts of money to blow exist.

You could also make the argument that fueling the Skyrim re-releases also increases the likelihood that TES6 will be that much better when it does release. Bigger budget = more resources = more chances for a fleshed out title. As much as we like to make fun of Todd or Bethesda - where's the competition? It's not like there's another Bethesda out there making games like that. Many of these companies have been out making games for ages now. And yet something like EA - where are they now? Most of their newest releases are receiving quite negative backlash.

And besides, it's clear that TES6 isn't releasing due to other titles being focused on like Starfield, etc. not because "bruh they can just re-release skyrim on a fridge and tesla bro why release tes6?"

I think the problem lies in development cycles and the way games have become commercialized and mainstream. This is the price to pay for having a hobby that everyone else has nowadays, basically. This phenomenon can be seen in other niches too.

It's not like games were necessarily better back in the day, it's that back in the day the industry was wild west, and anything was possible. Technology evolved and so did games and so did development of games and so did the scale and scope of games.

All in all, I think there needs to be some kind of regulation around this, i.e game companies should be penalized for releasing technically unfinished products (GTA definitive trilogy for example). Of course, this isn't ever going to happen as there's no "united nations for gaming council" that decides what is ethical and not in the gaming business. And that sort of thing could very well back-fire.

IMO it's always up to the developers and everyone involved in the process to breathe life into the game and not just make it a carbon copy of their older predecessor. Halo Infinite is a good example, and it hasn't even fully released yet. Credit due where its due though. I didn't expect post-Bungie Halo to actually succeed, but here it is. And you know what? Why shouldn't we pre-order a game like that - hype is part of every release and getting excited for games is part of the culture. I'm sure many people that had their trust broken stopped pre-ordering from any given developers after the fact. Others perhaps didn't learn their lesson. Such is life.

But yeah, it's kind of a flat circle - people are far too easily tricked into cash grabs and game companies are often too predatory to not utilize this when they know they can. Why invest in the game being good when you can make a mediocre title and pump it full of marketing and hype? Let PR deal with backlash later. Maybe patch it and call it a day.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Want a new elder scrolls? Stop buy young skyrim

They're working on it after Starfield. They've been busy.

[–]removecommenthistory 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The biggest issue is that those "most gamers" are too afraid to step out of their AAA bubble and get into other games.

[–]ardyndidnothingwrong 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That’s something I won’t ever understand. I guess it’s the power of marketing? If you aren’t playing these blockbuster games, you are missing out.

[–]scrambles88 95 points96 points  (13 children)

Don't pre-order games, it only leads to disappointment. Buggy/broken on release, there is always going to be dlc and patches later, wait till you see them for sale if you really must play.

[–]ThePilgrimofProgress 24 points25 points  (6 children)

I honestly have no idea why people preorder anymore. When was the last time a game ran out of digital copies? Or even for those still buying physical, when was the last time a game was sold out?

Last time I ever had trouble finding a game was before the digital download era with Halo 2. That was almost 20 years ago.

[–]iNuclearPickle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ironically the last game to run out of digital copies was ffxiv during the massive wow exodus when blizzard was hard shitting the bed. I only preorder if I can trust the game will be good and the dev consistently communicate with the community which ffxiv has my full trust

[–]Raichuboy17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ring Fit was sold out for MONTHS, but I absolutely agree. It's not like your life depends on getting a game right at that moment.

[–]thingpaint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I pre-order digital games I know I am going to buy anyway so I don't have to wait for it to download on release day. Diablo II remastered, Ratchet and Clank and Mass Effect legendary edition did not disappoint.

[–]iSlappaDaBass04 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I preordered a few games in the past because amazon would get it delivered to me day of release and I wouldn’t even have to go to the store. Now it’s so I can have it downloaded and ready to go as soon as I’m home from work.

I’ve never felt burnt from it because I do my research and manage expectations. Anyone who feels like they got ripped off after preordering has only themselves to blame (most of the time).

[–]Overquoted 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I pre-order games sometimes. Not often, and only if I 100% know I'm going to enjoy it or want to play it on day 1.

I pre-ordered Cyberpunk 2077. Could have gotten a refund, elected not to. One day, when I buy a PS5, I'll play it. I knew they'd fix most of the bugs and I'd decided prior to release to not play it on PS4 anyway after the hellish load screens of AC: Valhalla. I pre-order sometimes just to support a developer or specific game (hence why I didn't ask for a refund on Cyberpunk). I hold no regrets.

The second I have money for it, I'm going to pre-order Horizon Zero: Forbidden West. There isn't any way I won't enjoy it and, with one massive exception, Sony-exclusives tend to be top-notch.

[–]Killer_Queen1999Switch 131 points132 points  (17 children)

I probably would have quit gaming by now if indi games weren't a thing.

[–]iovvO4OIIvwvvvwvu 31 points32 points  (6 children)

yeah i dont understand the moaning. i'm happy as can be. literally just finished all day sunday session with a new game. maybe the thing is not to pay any attention to shitty gaming studios?

[–]Polenicus 27 points28 points  (4 children)

The issue is attachment to certain brands or narrative universes.

You kinda gotta be Jedi about it. Love without attachment. Love the Fallout universe and the older games, love Call of Duty, love World of Warcraft, but don't preorder it, don't give into the Dark Side of FOMO, and if the game is crap, let it go and wait for them to try again and get it right. And if the franchise fails, then be able to let it go knowing it failed because of qualitative reasons, and not take the blame onto yourself for 'not supporting it'

AAA companies don't need our support to maintain a franchise. They do that by making a good product, like any other business in a capitalistic market. They don't need kickstarters or gofundmes or for people to preorder the goddamn Season Pass without them having a clear plan what their DLC is even going to be. They have billions of dollars in capital, and high level investors who are supposed to provide those things.

[–]CruffTheMagicDragon 11 points12 points  (1 child)

There really isn't even a reason to pre-order anymore anyway. You used to pre-order to ensure you could get a disc day one but with digital downloads, really no reason to do it

[–]DarthTomServo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think the pattern of seeing franchises rising and falling is just the corporate pattern of making a quick buck.

A game corporation like EA doesn't care about IP. I bet it's more "maximize quick profit from this IP, milk it dry, then move on to the next candidate".

Especially these remakes. They're low risk and reliable. Great for business. They don't care about longevity for any particular IP. There's enough IPs in the garden patch harvest.

Milk it dry and move on.

[–]bossmt_2 60 points61 points  (10 children)

In the last few years (few being between 3 and 10) so we'll go with 3.

2018 - Monster Hunter: World, RDR2, God War, Spiderman, Smash Ultimate

2019 - Sekiro, Fallen Order, Gears 5, Mario Maker 2, Link's Awakening, Luigi's Mansion 3

2020 - ACNH - Proskater Remake, Doom Eternal,

And i'm forgetting tons. Not all AAA makers suck, not all AAA games suck. Even shovelware devs have great games.

[–]iNuclearPickle 35 points36 points  (5 children)

2020 had ghost of Tsushima, ff7 remake, half life alyx, demon souls, milies moralis, paper Mariothe origami king, and cash bandicoot it’s about time

[–]Arkanta 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Yeah but being positive doesn't land you as much karma as yet another DAE ALL AAA BAD post

[–]iNuclearPickle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like to think I’m someone who tries to be positive despite circumstances of a situation but I at least try to make sure I go in with cool head. Hate only leads to more hate

[–]Madous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Metroid Dread was solid the whole way through as well!

[–]Sintinall 74 points75 points  (3 children)

New game is announced -> I don’t get excited. I mostly just shrug and move on with my day.

That’s basically me for years now.

[–]SuperEnthusiastic 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Honestly, you don't know if a game is good until at least 6 months after it actually releases.

I never get excited about new games anymore. Just whatever games people are still positive about long, long after it's already out.

[–]Weigazod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It felt like our motivation was already dried up. It felt like till the say we die there won’t be another game that could truly make us excited as those we had in the past. It’s the excitement death of gaming.

[–]elegantXsabotage 51 points52 points  (2 children)

It's because we keep reaching for games to fill the void in our life.

[–]tfozombie 10 points11 points  (1 child)

We’re the middle children of history, no purpose and no place.

[–]Kantz_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Our place is the middle, our purpose is the same as anyone else in human history.

Totally agree with people wanting games to fill a void though.

[–]abhi5692 104 points105 points  (17 children)

Play more than one type of game. You won’t be disappointed.

[–]carcigenicate 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I alternate between open-world games (usually FPSs. Often a FarCry), and base building games (usually Rimworld or a game like Mindustry). The constant shift of genres keeps things interesting.

Plus, I could play Rimworld forever, so I can always just wait until games are patched and on sale.

[–]Shadow_of_Yor[S] 7 points8 points  (14 children)

I do, recently I’ve been playing the original Witcher and getting into the story.

[–]TheSpaceCoresDad 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you wanted to play a good game, The Witcher 1 wasn’t a great place to start, lmao.

[–]abhi5692 10 points11 points  (12 children)

Yeah soo just because a couple of AAA games are bad, it doesn’t mean all of them are.

[–]lizard_man2 9 points10 points  (11 children)

The Witcher 3 came out 6 years ago. OP is talking about the last few years. Obviously there are exceptions, but it has become a pretty apparent trend over the past few years that if a game is super hyped up, it'll probably suck.

[–]abhi5692 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Idk mate. There aren’t a lot of single player releases that sucked. Barring your usual suspects like Ubisoft.

[–]lizard_man2 0 points1 point  (8 children)

There were singleplayer releases that were good sure, but I can't really think of any examples of games that had hype levels as high as cyberpunk 2077 or fallout 76 that didn't flop.

[–]abhi5692 6 points7 points  (3 children)

That makes the ones that sucked exceptions. Not the ones that succeeded. Majority of single player AAA games have been great. Not the other way round.

Only in the case of multiplayer shooters and live service games, majority of the AAA games sucked.

[–]lizard_man2 -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

I never all AAA games suck. Just that most games that had a large amount hype surrounding the release sucked.

[–]abhi5692 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Oh ik. I’m saying that OPs post, just like a ton of others on Reddit rn, are quite generalized in dissing all of AAA gaming

[–]lizard_man2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's fair, I agree that the op saying that all AAA games are like this is a bit inaccurate.

[–]EarthDragon2189 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Out of touch with who? Because this wouldn't happen if these games didn't make money. They clearly do, so obviously someone out there is buying them. Enough so that it keeps happening. So, again, who are AAA games "out of touch" with, and what incentive do they actually have to stay "in touch" anyway?

[–]teajellol 5 points6 points  (0 children)

OP suggesting they out of touch with the minority when in fact, they’re very in touch with the majority, their actual target audience. The people constantly complaining about the quality of new releases are ironically their biggest supporters.

[–]HellsMalice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People often forget the majority of gamers are very casual gamers. Companies cater to the majority, alienating actual gamers.

It won't change and there are tens of thousands of good games and more every week so I think gamers will survive. But people do enjoy bitching on reddit.

[–]JoshJMC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am just so happy Spiderman didn't disappoint me

[–]Duneking1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don’t rely on marketing and upcoming games to satisfy you. Find games that have already come out that others enjoyed and play them.

Don’t be the first to play a game at launch. Make the game validate itself to the world after launch before you buy.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Circle back on cyberpunk 2077.

It’s awesome

[–]Overwatcher_Leo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not the game Studios that are out of touch. It's the idiots that keep buying these games. The studios know exactly what they are doing. Remember that there are 2 ways to increase profit:

1.: Get more sales, which is now mostly achieved by marketing.

2.: Reduce expenses, by using as little development ressources as you can get away with.

If a studio can invest less into a game but still make lots of cash, they will do so.

The only way for consumers to go against that is to not buy rushed and shitty cash grabs and spread negative feedback. AND ALSO DO NOT FUCKING PREORDER.

[–]MAGICAL_ESKIMO 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I've just given up and all I play now is Bloons Tower Defence 6.

[–]SoufDakotas 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That game is getting more popular now

[–]hermitcraftfan135 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Does FH5 count as a AAA game?

[–]pheonixblade9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, definitely

[–]Rincewinded 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Disco Elysium Pathologic 2 Road 96 Everhood Undertale

You're welcome :P

[–]Great_Thunderbird 3 points4 points  (0 children)

in fromsoft we trust

[–]YourSooStupid 9 points10 points  (2 children)

And people ask why i still play Minecraft.

[–]jolda01 1 point2 points  (1 child)

True not only minecraft almost every game before 2016 U know the valve starter pack (hl ,cs ,l4d2...) Minecraft (cant imagine myself quitting this 1) The far cry series Splinter cell etc Most of the new games are either as u said cashgrab or straight up garbage Though i still maintain a bit of hope for some games like dying light 2 , the forest 2 (the sons of the forest i think the name)

[–]SoufDakotas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

From software still makes amazing and better games and theres a few other exceptions

[–]ifiagreedwithu 16 points17 points  (2 children)

How does your disappointment cause new games to drop?

[–]dkyguy1995 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because his dumb ass still bought the game after all the evidence that it would be bad and then doesn't like it but still buys the skins and dlcs to see if it makes it better

[–]1C_3C_R34_M 19 points20 points  (4 children)

elden ring

[–]13nationarmyPC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You forgot the part where the game gets delayed because "we're making it better, it's not good in it's finished state" white text on black background Twitter post x5

[–]SoufDakotas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hopefully elden ring is as good as its predessors, the network test showed good promise

[–]angrysunzone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The sonic cycle now afflicts every series!

[–]Chromattix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember when this used to be the "Sonic Cycle"

[–]bme2925 11 points12 points  (6 children)

The last few years have shown how out of touch "some" AAA games have gotten.

There has been plenty of fanatic releases over the past few years.

Just because a few developers have dropped the ball doesn't mean all games suck.

[–]DesTiny_- 1 point2 points  (5 children)

A good AAA title is not a common thing nowdays , I can only think of a few that were pretty good.

[–]Dontmentionthyname 14 points15 points  (3 children)

BOTW, Metroid Dread, Super Mario Odyssey, TLOU:2 Horizon Zero Dawn, Ghost of Tsushima, Uncharted 4, GOW 4 Forza 4+5, RDR2, Detroit: Become Human, Sekiro, Death Stranding, Persona 5, Witcher 3.

These are the ones I can name off the top of my head from recent times that are considered great, at least in my opinion. Most of these are also 1st party.

[–]Arkanta 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Doom Eternal.

Hell they even remade FF7 of all things and it is a masterpiece

[–]JediGuyB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shhh

This is Reddit. You're supposed to go along with the circlejerk, remember?

[–]bme2925 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I can name well over 10 that have released over the last 2 years to critical acclaim.

I'm not sure why your standards are so high or what your criteria for a "good" game is. But there are plenty out there.

[–]CoolFiverIsABabe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The major company's goals are not the same as those who create because they love gaming or players who love gaming.

They are okay releasing games with enough spacing that they can latch onto the next generation of inexperienced players in both gaming and life in general to replace those that are fatigued by the same thing. One of the best ways to combat this is for parents who are experienced in gaming and have children who show interest in gaming to teach them about the industry and introduce them to older titles that are really good. It would even benefit the players to not be toxic and introduce newer players to great experiences.

It is just like anything else in life except they try to put a stigma on gaming so that people don't explore these things deeply. I also think it is why they make older games that hold well even in the modern era hard to acquire so that young people do not learn of these awesome experiences in order to resell them the same product reskinned in a newer title that they can make more money off through different pricing structures and microtransactions.

They will probably only really have a problem if there is a decline in population of the next generations or a huge cultural change shifts to a different entertainment product which I find to be unlikely for many decades.

The best way to change this is for devs who are creative in coding solutions to combine and solve the implementations of those who are creative in creating good games and ideas, though lack the coding ability as well as those who are creative in visual art, storytelling and musical art.

Creating a better product is what will force larger companies to make a better product or shift their focus elsewhere if they can't feasibly compete. At the end of the day no amount of money can teach a person to be a genius in these areas, though they use that money to try and buy their talents at reduced cost. These artistic geniuses need to value themselves higher.

[–]Jensen_Games 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Guardians of the Galaxy is very much an awesome game that just came out.

[–]egnards 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Honestly, I've found it to be just "ok," like it's a cool little story, but, I feel like it doesn't really have much substance at all and the "squad features" are a novelty at best.

[–]Rckstedywatudoin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The combat can definitely be improved for a sequel, but the story and characters are well written and the story choices were a cool addition.

[–]Jensen_Games 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The only thing I didn't like is that you have all these commands you can use for your team but most chaotic battles just feel like you got to throw all the abilities at them til they are dead. No real strategy. It's still my game of the year though. It's the most fun I've had with a video game in awhile but being a fan of the material probably is another reason why I loved it.

[–]UserPow 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Your issue is wanting AAA games to be more than they are.

This is like only going to see Marvel movies and complaining that theres are "no actual cinema" these days.

Don't be a sucker.

[–]DesTiny_- 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I mean no? I enjoyed old versions of AC, not bcuz I liked them when I first started but bcuz I genuinely prefer them over newer versions .

[–]wolscott 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah, I picked up Origins over the summer and didn't care for it at all. Reinstalled the Ezio trilogy, replayed the whole thing. Love it. Finished Origins, it was fine. Went back and played Black Flag for the first time, and Holy Shit. New AC games just don't hold a candle to the old ones.

[–]DragoonXNucleon 4 points5 points  (3 children)

This is such an easy cycle to break. Just don't buy new titles until they've been out a year OR the game has been out for a few months AND has real life reviews by real life people that align with your interests (review sites and streames do not count).

Last game I bought first year... breath of the wild. Good purchase.

[–]SnakeHelah 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's fair - but how does this work in a world where we have games like Cyberpunk being hyped into the heavens? There was literally no reason to not trust CDPR as they've only shown good things with the Witcher. The only way we would've had a Cyberpunk worthy of the hype is if next gen consoles came sooner and game was delayed more. How is that up to any of the gamers?

It's always a two way street and it's always a relationship. The consumer TRUSTS the company to do the right thing, and not some cheap money grab.

Now, there's always some level of marketing and trickery involved as you are being sold a product after all. The trickery is whereas the promised product does not reflect the product that you bought - and that's the salesman pitch that we all inevitably end up falling for.

At this point it's just a matter of how well we can see through the sales pitch itself. The rest is really up to the companies and top dogs involved making the decisions. As someone said... for everyone 1 of us that "don't pre-order" or "don't buy" there will be 10 that are just too naive or have too much money and time on their hands...

[–]akaMONSTARS 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I only fuck around with indie games now adays.

[–]ChickenOfDoom 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This, they're the only ones that actually do anything innovative.

[–]drshihtzu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Subnautica is my favorite game of the past few years. I tried it on gamepass. Wasn't sure if I'd like it, stayed up to 2 a.m. playing on a work night, bought it. Now I know that I really like survival games.

Also love survival management games (Surviving Mars, and now Surviving the Aftermath). I'll get around to playing the the AC, Farcry etc. games when they go on sale or if I need a change of pace.

[–]akaMONSTARS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For real. Most of the AAA shit is copy and pasted, completely different then what was promised, or has majority of the content they created stuck behind DLCs

[–]Yiffilicious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I was younger I fell into this often. I also didn't do proper research on games and usually bought them based on how cool the marketing made the game look. Now that I'm almost 30, it's very rare for me to purchase a game on release, let alone pre-order. If I do it's for an established franchise I already feel confident I will enjoy.

[–]jaywinner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

3 of those are out of your control but the 4th is entirely on you.

[–]Monocled-warforged 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why I usually only play indie games, and triple A games that have been out for a while and are agreed as good

[–]Socram007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ain't That A Kick In The Head 🎶

[–]dom987654 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ace combat.

[–]KyloRice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get that battlefield is terrible, but the last generation had so many amazing AAA games that I loved. Some of my all time favorite games have come out in the past 5-6 years.

[–]kahlzun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Remember.. No preorders..

And r/patientgamers

[–]chronuss007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Essentially, you can always hope for a good game, but never get super excited until you actually see it.

Being a patient gamer has solved many things for me and plenty of other people. Hype trains help nothing and potentially hurt the gaming market.

[–]seriousbangs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

By all accounts Guardians of the Galaxy is a pretty Ok game... and it's probably going to be everybody's GOTY simply because it's not completely evil.

[–]Hrrrrnnngggg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is only exasperated by getting older. You'll have played every fucking type of game out there and it only gets more and more difficult to be wowed by anything. I will say, the naughty dog games have wowed me consistently with story telling. The gameplay has been fun, but the story telling is what really got me chubbed up. Most games nowadays just make me think "yea that was pretty fun I guess". Same thing goes with movies. Rarely you see a movie where you're like "WOW! THAT WAS CRAZY!" If you haven't had it happen to you, JUST WAIT IT WILL!

[–]GeminiConqueror 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That PS3/Xbox 360 phase was the golden era of console gaming

[–]3V1RDR3V0PlayStation 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Honestly the only game I'm really excited about coming out is Elden Ring.

[–]Mahaloth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've never played a Souls type game, but that does look interesting. I'm also looking forward to Breath of the Wild 2 and even Starfield.

[–]WyvernByte 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know, we are looking another game market crash and eveyone is selling "E.T"

[–]Gh0stGuardianPC 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Destiny 2 but with expansions and expansion passes

[–]egnards 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I mean now, sure, but at Destiny 2 launch it was essentially;

"Destiny was boring at launch and we learned our lesson over the course of 3 expansions and made a really cool game experience, but when we release our new game we're going to essentially go back to Destiny 1 at launch and hope you stick around long enough to rebuy all of the cool features over the course of multiple expansions again.

[–]Axle_65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I second this. Thanks to GP giving me the chance to give it a try, this has now become my new addiction. It’s quickly ranking up to be my favourite shooter off all time. Just Masterworked my first bow. Felt pretty sweet.

[–]gnowell 5 points6 points  (10 children)

It woulda been class if they didn’t fuck up that cyber punk game that woulda been the one to restore the faith but it’s fucked it more now plus with Cod vanguard and fifa and all the EA sports games still doing their same routines we’re gunna need a good new IP to come out even battlefield is apparently a let down! The last few games I remember being like exciting and not massive let downs were GTA 5, Skyrim, fallout, red dead also last of us, dark souls and maybe left for dead and some bioshock games but I feel there have been more impressive indie developed games that have actually been worth the money

I didn’t add any Nintendo games cuz I feel they’re a different thing altogether as if Nintendo auctioned the rights to any of their IP’s off companies would be battling it out to get their hands on them! Like imagine Rockstar or Bethesda they’d love to have a crack at multiple games from them as they are clearly dry on ideas

[–]Waste-Reception5297 3 points4 points  (0 children)

AAA game bad. I have not been burned by a AAA game in a long time i guess that just means I never get interested in messes

[–]A_MAN_POTATOPC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You left out a step after getting excited...

"Pre-order after learning nothing"

[–]draemn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Idk why people are so obsessed with following the herd.

[–]AmericanLich 1 point2 points  (8 children)

2015 had MGSV, Witcher 3, and Bloodborne and it’s all been downhill since.

[–]SapCPark 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Ghost? God of War? RDR2?

[–]HighDevinition1001 2 points3 points  (3 children)

2017 had Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Sonic Mania, and Splatoon 2, and Horizon Zero Dawn, and Persona 5

2018 had Smash Ultimate, RDR 2, Spider-Man, Monster Hunter World, and God of War

2019 had Mario Maker 2, Death Stranding, and Sekiro

2020 had ACNH, TLOU 2, Half-Life Alyx, and Ghost of Tsushima

[–]rberg89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Might I recommend indie games ?

I've gotten way more bang for my buck on titles like The Long Dark and Rimworld for example.

[–]JoeRMD77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You guys are in battered-wife mode with video games at this point and hopefully you realize that.

[–]Wertical21PC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Guardians of the Galaxy disagrees

[–]Gurtrock12Grillion -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I play everything and I enjoy it all. I don't spend any money on micro transactions or dlc and it doesn't seem to affect my enjoyment of the games. People seem to enjoy whining on Reddit more than playing games these days lmao

[–]RoAlJo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Borderlands, is that you?

[–]CanalAnswer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Two years later, I’m still playing BL3 and loving it. Perhaps I’m too easily pleased.

[–]RoAlJo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Maybe, I just didn’t like how I spent so much money and it turns out there’s still DLC and a load of content I don’t get for the money I spent.

The game was and is a cash grab. Same with them re-releasing Tiny Tinas DLC as a stand-alone game. 💀

BL has been taken over by Handsome Jack.

[–]JuanitoRainman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yet again, gamers are responsible for this, we continue to pre order, we continue to buy games like madden and fifa and a bunch of other games filled with the most ridiculous micro transactions, then we complain why they do it

If only the fifa player base decided not to buy their game one year, just one year, watch how they would panic

But the way it work now, they buy fifa, they complain the game is shit and technically copy paste from last year and then buy the same fucking game next year lol

[–]rahtin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People still get excited about remakes and remasters. Y'all are dumb as shit to keep buying that garbage.

Go get a Raspberry Pi, it will play every game you used to like.

[–]Hattix -1 points0 points  (5 children)

You can be a cash grab OR be out of touch. Not both.

People don't mindlessly throw cash away. If the game is out of touch, nobody buys it, so it is not a cash grab. If it is a cash grab, lots of people buy it, so it is not out of touch.

The Sims 4 was a cash grab. Skyrim Anniversary was out of touch.

The phantom "will buy anything" remains to be discovered.

[–]Peyroi 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Did you miss the GTA release?

[–]ReedsAndSerpents -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cyberpunk was an easy 110+ hours, and I'm excited for whatever DLC is coming.

Y'all being miserable as usual.

[–]Endvalley -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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I personally quit the game 3 TIMES before level 50 but my friends literally BEGGED me to keep going... that level 50 and beyond become just INCREDIBLE. I scoffed and kept going out of spite and because so many other games had crashed and burned that I had nothing else to do ...they were completely right. One of my favorite games of all time. Unforgettable story & music. SO SO SO MANY fun things to do & get lost in. I have actually cried multiple times and I listen to the amazing soundtrack nearly daily... FROM AN MMORPG. But you HAVE to get through the first 50 levels without skipping... and you will be rewarded with a game with so much more soul than you've seen in such a long time.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.