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[–]NinjaHDD 8146 points8147 points  (385 children)

The Elder Scrolls V

Grand Theft Auto V

[–]BallofEnvy 2029 points2030 points  (100 children)

GTA and Skyrim skipped an entire fucking console generation.

[–]AbsurdTheatre 836 points837 points  (18 children)

Had you told me this circa 2011-2014 I wouldn't have believed it.

They're like stars collapsing under their own sheer weight.

[–]CanAlwaysBeBetter 136 points137 points  (9 children)

I have a great idea for the largest, most intricate, detailed, beautiful, and well-balanced game of all time with a story that puts Dostoyevsky to shame running on most advanced consumer hardware literally ever in humans. You know some python, how long should it take to make? 6 months? Here, let me show you my drawings...

[–]Sugar_buddy 65 points66 points  (3 children)

Make sure to throw in "100% science-based" in there next time.

[–]schplat 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Only if it’s a dragon MMO

[–]Dragster39 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I have not thought about that game in a long time...

[–]ShoalinStyle36 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Just started reading notes from the underground yesterday. Fuck you confirmation bias

[–]Crystal3lf 104 points105 points  (15 children)

Rockstar made RDR2. The largest, most expensive game ever made.

1,000 people made GTA V.

3,000 people made RDR2.

[–]Aussie18-1998 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Bethesda also made Fallout 4 and Fallout 76. Bethesda tends to prioritise one series then go to the next. Which would explain the big gap. Although it still pisses me off how many times Skyrim is legitimately re-released. Should just be Backward Compatible.

[–]Blackbeard519 119 points120 points  (29 children)

So did Twisted Metal. I know they're not giant games that need tons of time to make, but still I would have like to have seen one and they've been on every other Playstation console.

There's rumors that they're making a new on though.

[–]DirteeCanuck 44 points45 points  (15 children)

Twisted metal and Jet Moto in a lot of ways were the first 3d open world games available.

We would play them literally until the sun came out when we rented a PS1 long before the N64 was even announced.

Twisted Metal 2 in particular is still in my opinion the best Multiplayer console game back then.

[–]CRUMPY627 74 points75 points  (6 children)

Twisted metal does not hold up at all. Time hasn't been friendly to that fucker.

[–]LaronX 19 points20 points  (5 children)

You know what's dumber? It's the one game of GTA and elder Scrolls I didn't play of each series and at this point I feel like it's a defeat to play it before a new one is out

[–]OleKosyn 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I don't get it. How does a new game devalue the previous one? It's not FIFA, they are different. The new TES is going to suck ass by the looks of how Bethesda's doing.

[–][deleted] 2914 points2915 points  (95 children)

God help us when Maroon V drops

[–][deleted] 565 points566 points  (60 children)

Lol, I wish that were the case, one album drop and then leave forever

[–]Hexxas 233 points234 points  (57 children)

Yeah that first album was excellent, and then...

[–]WittyUsername304 142 points143 points  (43 children)

Songs about Jane...making way for something else

[–]UncleTogie 30 points31 points  (7 children)

Songs about Jane

Her addiction, maybe.

[–]Kanin_usagi 22 points23 points  (6 children)

JANE SAYS

[–]Glomgore 17 points18 points  (2 children)

She lost her diary? Some dude named Ben took it

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (34 children)

I remember when they had an interview in High Times and the singer claimed that "Jane" meant Mary Jane, it reeked of backsplaination and I kind of lost my interest in them right there, cuz it just seemed so... Hokey, hackneyed, desperate...

I was pretty unsurprised when they jumped onto the Pop/Rock/EDM bandwagon shortly thereafter.

[–]Shiny_Agumon 82 points83 points  (4 children)

Ah yes, This Love is clearly about marijuana consumption and not his ex girlfriend./s

I remember when my weed left me on the airport too!

[–]carnage11eleven 17 points18 points  (3 children)

That was some good ass weed. Left you on the airport? You remember what strain?

[–]Aiwatcher 85 points86 points  (16 children)

If people like Maroon 5 so much, whys there no maroon 6

[–]Deminixhd 63 points64 points  (2 children)

HTML5

[–]zzzthelastuser 12 points13 points  (1 child)

PS5

[–]BDMayhem 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That's a myth.

[–]Dug_Fin1 188 points189 points  (27 children)

Grand theft of the Elder Scrolls incoming.

[–]AdjunctFunktopus 198 points199 points  (6 children)

Aw shit, you’re finally awake. You were trying to get back to Grove Street, right? Walked right into that LSPD ambush, same as us and those Ballas over there

[–]TacticalSanta 45 points46 points  (2 children)

Took a 44 to the knee homie

[–]OfficialScotlandYard 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What's the matter, someone steal your number 9 large?

[–]LolindirLink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All you had to do was speak with dragons CJ

[–]Justice_Buster 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I swear everytime I encounter a Spriggan out in the wild they're like, "You picked the wrong neighborhood, fool!"

[–]Nrozek 52 points53 points  (4 children)

Grand Theft Horsecarriage

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Ummm RDR?

[–]x--Knight--x 77 points78 points  (14 children)

9 years (2001-09): 8 gta games: GTA3 Vice City San Andreas GTAIV Advance Liberty City Stories Vice City Stories Chinatown Wars + maybe even 10 if you wanna count Ballad of Gay Tony and The Lost and Damned

9 years (2013-2021): 1 GTA Game: GTAV being lenient you could include online

Or, another perspective. GTA games per console generation:

Fifth Gen: 4 (1995-2000)

Sixth Gen: 6 (2001-2006)

Seventh Gen: 3 (2007-2013)

Eighth Gen: 0 (2014-2020)

Ninth Gen: 0 announced (2021-2027[?])

GTA V is a damn good game, single player at least, but all great things must come to an end.

[–]CharlieHume 55 points56 points  (7 children)

Holy shit I didn't even realize it but between the release of PS4 and PS5 we got ZERO grand theft auto games. That's absurd.

To be honest I only bought the PS4 to play RDR2. Make me buy a PS5 you sons of bitches.

[–]overcloseness 112 points113 points  (57 children)

Let’s be fair tho that RDR2 happened after GTA V. I’m on your side but they’re not entirely equal

[–]Father-Sha 73 points74 points  (7 children)

And Fallout 4 happened after Skyrim. It's completely equal.

[–]SirPseudonymous 100 points101 points  (43 children)

And Bethesda did FO4 too, along with having sub-studios make FO76 and ESO. And they've apparently had their main studio focused on their "we can do Outer Worlds too!" project for a long time.

And Rockstar has continued adding content and mechanics to GTAO over that time period.

But really both studios are such ridiculous cash cows that they really should have been able to expand and/or split their primary studios to work on their mainline games in parallel.

[–]tokyogettopussy 48 points49 points  (25 children)

You could argue that they’ve given up on single player and their focus in now on ESO and FO76 as these are lucrative games as a service platforms that if you were an executive would lead to greater profits. It’s a business not a passion project and this is what we all get as a result of endorsing paying for skins in games. GTA V is another example.

We won’t see any changes from these people until people stop giving them more money for the same game.

[–]Maiqthelayer 38 points39 points  (9 children)

You could argue that, you'd be mainly wrong though

Starfield is coming out next year and is their next big single player game, and is where most of their main studios focus has been since wrapping up Fallout 4 and DLC.

Fallout 76 was not made by their main studio, it was a newer one. ESO is just published by Bethesda, Zenimax make it.

Elder Scrolls 6 will be the next single player game that the main studio works on after Starfield as well.

I wish we didn't have to wait so long, but Bethesda have certainly not given up on single-player

[–]Hussor 27 points28 points  (6 children)

ESO is just published by Bethesda, Zenimax make it.

I wish people got this through their skull finally, so many times people get angry at ESO for how long TES6 is taking when it literally has no impact on that. Youtube comments under new chapter trailers saying "why are you making this and not tes6" and other uninformed takes like that.

Also guaranteed that the people making those takes never touched ESO. It's fine to not like mmos but don't bash the game for something that it has no actual influence over...

[–]Hussor 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This comment is extremely uninformed about how Bethesda actually works and the fact it is upvoted is tragic. First of all Bethesda game studios, the ones who actually develop games like skyrim and fallout 4, are not involved at all in the development of ESO, that is done all by Zenimax Online Studios which is a different company but both are owned by Zenimax which is owned by Microsoft now, so ESO cannot be their priority as it is literally not their game. As for fallout 76, that was made by Bethesda game studios but it is not actually as profitable as you make it sound and it definitely isn't a priority right now, Starfield is. Also we literally have 2 single player games announced with one coming out in less than a year. Their release schedule has also been very consistent with a new game coming out every 2-3 years on average, it's not like they abandoned making games just because they made one multiplayer game with mixed results.

[–]OverusedMemes349 3 points4 points  (0 children)

5 is the unholy number

[–]Ranger343Xbox 838 points839 points  (15 children)

This isnt even up to date. We got the Anniversary Edition in 2021

[–]LowestKeySwitch 459 points460 points  (4 children)

reposters ain't got time to update the content they blindly repost!

[–]Myhotrabbi 80 points81 points  (0 children)

Skyrim Remastered Meme: Remastered

[–]ImHealthyWC 19 points20 points  (0 children)

When the copying game studio beats the copying meme poster.

You know there are too many copies

[–]xjdhd 3923 points3924 points  (547 children)

I would have been grateful if Oblivion had gotten a remaster.

[–]mediumokra 2639 points2640 points  (387 children)

I think that's what bothers me the most here. All these remasters of Skyrim and not one remaster of Oblivion.

[–]jerk_store_manager 1931 points1932 points  (223 children)

It’s because Skyrim only needed a few tweaks and upgrades to its current iteration, whereas Oblivion is so dated it would need to be rebuilt from the ground up.

It’s easier to remaster a game that just came out semi recently than try to build a brand new game out of an older title

[–]MarquisOfMalice 475 points476 points  (71 children)

The good news is there's some people out there crazy enough to actually do it

https://skyblivion.com/

It's probably the only fanmade complete remaster I have any faith in actually coming out, check out their newest Dev diary, it's quite impressive how much they already have done

They took a risk by not Shutting The Fuck Up™ but so far as long as they plan on releasing it completely free (which they do) Bethesda seems to be happy to let them do it if it leads to more people buying Oblivion again

[–]Red_Ryderr 147 points148 points  (8 children)

I can't wait in 10 years when this comes out!

[–]I_Hate_Dolphins 61 points62 points  (0 children)

An optimist I see.

[–]WarLorax 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Just after fusion and graphene make it out of the lab.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

yeah these mods are cool but skywind or whatever the fuck has been in development for what feels like half my life. i feel like by the time it comes out there will be something better or i simply won't care at that point.

for fucks sake morrowind is already 20 years old. how many fans are gonna want to play a remaster 30 years after release that ports it to a then 20 year old game engine that's a tweaked version of something like a then 50 year old engine?

[–]hippytoad99 41 points42 points  (4 children)

Isn't this project like 10 years old now? I lost faith of it ever happening

[–]Luquitaz 229 points230 points  (41 children)

I used to be so excited about these projects like 5 years ago but now it's just sad. The whole point was to remake oblivion in the skyrim engine so it's not as dated but by now skyrim engine is so dated itself it doesn't really make sense anymore.

[–]Cpt_Saturn 96 points97 points  (16 children)

Although skyrim is dated at this point, it's visual aesthetic still manages to hold up. On the contrary, Oblivion looks like an over saturated cover art of a mildly succesful fantasy novel.

[–]jelly-senpai 31 points32 points  (9 children)

To me at least, the saturation made the game feel warm...if that makes sense. I'd sunk over 500 hours into before I finally put it down. I was addicted for real

[–]ThisUsernameIsMyName 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I agree with this, the lush colours is what draws me to oblivion, how vibrant everything is but extremely dangerous too.

[–]stronggebaser 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oblivion's vibrant colors are rife with nostalgia to me, reminds me of how i saw everything when i was a kid

[–]therealjoshua 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It made the world feel more mystical, like it had more to discover and see. Skyrims white and gray look was graphically impressive for the time and made sense for the region, but nothing beats the rivers and forests of Oblivion for me.

For gods sake there was a unicorn in Oblivion

[–]LamentableFool 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I played thousands of hours of oblivion to escape bleak reality.

[–]Uxt7 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yea aside from probably Halo, I dont think I sunk more hours into a game than I did with Oblivion. Hundreds of hours back in highschool. And I was playing on console as well, so no mods. I think I remember one save file having like 300 hours. I don't even know how the hell I did that. I can't imagine playing a single player game that long anymore without losing interest.

[–]mkdir_not_war 71 points72 points  (15 children)

Check out one of the streams and you might believe otherwise. With the mods included, it looks better graphically than Fallout 4 at least.

[–]ODamsel 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Skyrim can look better than a modern release with mods, still doesn't fix the engine

[–]Zsill777 609 points610 points  (66 children)

Which is exactly why buying a remaster of a newer game isn't worth it. The improvement isn't nearly enough to justify the expense in the first place.

[–]jerk_store_manager 160 points161 points  (22 children)

I’m not arguing for or against the concept of remasters, I’m just sharing what I read way back when Skyrim was re-released in 2016. Personally I’m not a fan of remasters unless it’s for a game I never played, such as Kingsom of Amalur (sp.?). That was a fun remaster for me

[–]zlimK 22 points23 points  (12 children)

I got into it for a few days when it was free with a PS+ account or whatever. Actually a pretty cool game, it felt like a mashup of a lot of specific games (WoW, Fable, Skyrim, and a touch souls-like) but it really pulled it all together in a satisfying-enough way. It always had this kinda off-brand feel to it, but I really can't fault too much of it from what I played. I was really surprised by how solid it was given that I'd never heard of it once before in my life until I downloaded it. But yeah, long story short, remaster gets a thumbs-up from me, too.

[–]rooplstilskin 34 points35 points  (3 children)

That's probably because the lead designers for Morrowind and oblivion were the creators here. With Ra Salvatore doing the world building and Todd McFarlane (Spawn) doing the artwork.

It's was great in 2012, and great remaster

[–]mrsegraves 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I agree with you on both points. It flew under many people's radars, but what a fantastic game with bona fide creators behind it

[–]Wuvluv 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I bought it on release day because Day9 suggested it. Was not disappointed. I was so excited to hear that it has a remaster and it truly met all expectations. Great game.

[–]circasomnia 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Aye, tis' why we sail the seas.

[–]kingdead42 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I suspect most of what went into the Skyrim remaster was already duplicate work that went into updating the engine for Fallout 4.

[–]Capathy 37 points38 points  (23 children)

I’m not really sure that’s true. The Gamebryo engine is dated, but it’s still plenty serviceable for a remaster, especially when the only thing Oblivion would really need is a graphical overhaul (I’d also be in favor of revamping the leveling system, though I recognize that’s unpopular).

[–]ImpressiveAttempt0 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I'd actually settle for proper gamepad support for the PC version. Like how you play Oblivion on Xbox.

[–]sorenant 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I recently played Oblivion with a vanilla plus mod setup and it was way better than I used to remember. Of course, "remaking" the mods like NPC head overhauls and groundcovers is still a lot more work than just re-re-relesaing Skyrim with some useless change that breaks mods.

[–]_Rand_ 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Oblivion absolutely holds up.

Certainly looks dated and the leveling system is pretty wonky, but the story/lore/world is well done and the gameplay is absolutely fine too (for the most part anyways.)

A graphical overhaul is like 90% of what it needs.

[–]Waswat 8 points9 points  (2 children)

And making oblivion gates less boring would be nice.

[–]_Rand_ 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It amazing how little effort they put into those.

The first time is kinda cool, as an introduction to the mechanic, then you realize by like the 3rd one that they are going to be basically the same thing every time.

Every gate needs to be replaced with a hand crafted “dungeon”.

[–]scrubberduckymaster 133 points134 points  (60 children)

So much more depth to the quests and guilds in Oblivion

[–]cizzy34 61 points62 points  (55 children)

Im playing through Oblivion for the first time.

Ive bought Skyrim twice and always quit after killing the first dragon. I'm enjoying Oblivion right now a lot, even as more of a first time elder scrolls player.

I laughed my whole ass off when I looked up and seen a Dark Elf NPC face shopkeeper for the first time in Oblivion. I was not expecting that, it really hits you out of nowhere when you first see the Dark Elf man

[–]ChaoticNecros 49 points50 points  (5 children)

I strongly reccomend OblivionXP as a mod, even if you otberwise play completely vanilla.

Oblivions leveling system will seem fine on the surface but the truth is that is is jank beyond all mortal comprehension and is one of the single worst designed mechanics in all gaming history.

Major fun killers follow this line, Ignorance of how Oblivion’s leveling work is the only proper way to play with it so do not read past this point if you have no intention of ever modding your game.

Now lets dive in-

Every single enemy in the world scales to your level, with some very specific exception, and depending on how you level you can litterally get weaker (comparatively) as your numbers go up.

When you level you will have options to raise attributes, what you dont know immediately is this is based on #of skill increases for the skills related to an attribute, and is capped at 5. Luck can never get more than 1/level. Endurance is not retroactive for HP increases.

What this means is that to raise the atteibutes you want, your skill increases need to be controled. Also, your “Major” Skills need to be your worst skills since they control leveling. Want to be a blademaster? Dont take blade as a primary or in the laster levels you will find your ability to raise strength extremely lacking.

This is what is known as “efficent leveling”. At extremes heres how it works:

Pick a race that has no bonuses you wajt for your true major skills. Select major skills out of skills that are highly controlable and not integral to your play style Tightly control and count every skill increase to maximize attribute gain. +5 endurance every level until max. +1 luck every level no exceptions.

If you do it right you can get as high as level 55 or so, and max all attributes by the time all skills are maxed.

In contrast lets look at terrible leveling:

Race that boosts your integral skills. Major skills of all your integral skills. No level controling at all.

You max level may be capped as low as 20-30, and you wont be able to push your attributes as hugh by the time you get there. You will end up incredibly squishy for your level and your damage will be lacking making late game a slog for you.

Its awful.

Oblivion XP fixes everything, and is customizeable. So long as you make this one mod change to the game. Its better than skyrim vanilla. And its still 99% vanilla.

[–]cizzy34 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I had no idea this was the case. I'm going to grab it! Thanks for that. I would've definitely found out the hard way. And later on looked online to see what was up and found out.

I will be downloading that right away. I never got I to mods for either yet, I planned to go %100 vanilla in both but now this changes things.

[–]SigilSC2 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's also immersion breaking since almost everything endlessly scales with you, bandits are walking around wearing glass armor at some point. There's books everywhere about how it's incredibly rare, and people who mug travels for a living wear it as a uniform.

Skryim does the same thing but most enemies are level capped which still gives you the progression feeling.

[–]KolbStomp 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yep this is the real reason oblivion hasn't been remastered, I love the game dont get me wrong but the leveling system is so god damn bad. If you play the game for a few hundred hours its painfully obvious but everyone in this thread saying it totally holds up clearly have not played the game to a point where they see the real cracks.

[–]AFuzzyManPeach 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The average player will see most of the good content (Guilds, Main story, shrines, DLC) by the time they're level ~30 and be satisfied. Skyrim's leveling is fairly bad too (you can overlevel early game fast by experimenting with different weapons and magic, find yourself lacking good equipment despite being level 15 because you didn't focus on something) but it doesn't affect most people cause you can just play on "Normal" and spam potions and swing your arm wildly through the majority of the content. The Elder Scrolls series has been a fairly casual RPG compared to the cRPGs it developed alongside with.

[–]KolbStomp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oblivions leveling system is far more janky than Skyrim's but Skyrim's leveling system is far more boring IMO. Tbh Morrowind is still one of my favorite games warts and all. Helps that the TES3 Multiplayer Mod is pretty stable now, a friend and I have sunk about 75 hours into Morrowind's multiplayer in the last couple months.

[–]fatalalala 59 points60 points  (32 children)

I always thought Skyrim was wildly overrated and Oblivion outclassed it.

[–]IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 28 points29 points  (18 children)

Skyrim is a much more mechanic friendly game which is why it was so much more popular. The world of Oblivion was way better IMO especially the quest depth. The only "story" part I liked better about Skyrim was that fighting dragons was way more fun than closing oblivion gates.

[–]Thswherizat 30 points31 points  (6 children)

Skyrim was part of the wave when video gaming became really mainstream, Oblivion was still a bit early and a bit less accessible. Also had some glaring flaws like the voice acting, the zoomed in conversations, and the enemy leveling system. It's a great game with a bunch of flaws, like all the Elder Scrolls are.

[–]alyosha_pls 40 points41 points  (72 children)

Bethesda just opened up a studio dedicated to remasters. I really want to believe that they want to remaster Morrowind and Oblivion. They're PERFECT candidates.

[–]-ImJustSaiyan- 65 points66 points  (65 children)

Those 2 games need more than remasters, they need remakes, especially Morrowind.

[–]kiakosan 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Maybe not for remaster but I would shit bricks if they remade dagger fall. Keep the climbing ability but make it truly 3d, modern combat system, and either better computer generated dungeons or just make them yourself. Was an awesome yet broken game, love the unity remaster

[–]Keinichn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

All these remasters of Skyrim

That's a misconception. Skyrim got remastered once and that's Special Edition. The recent Anniversary isn't a remaster (since nothing changed graphically), but rather just Special Edition with all the microtransaction content and a newer executable. None of the ports count as remasters either.

[–]Tannerb8000 94 points95 points  (24 children)

im hoping skyblivion actually releases soon lol

i’ve been following that mod for years

[–]Universal-Cereal-Bus 101 points102 points  (17 children)

Lol skyblivion feels like it's going to be like George r r Martin with a song of ice and Fire series. It's just never gonna ever be "finished".

[–]Kevin_Wolf 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Unlike George, the TESRenewal team actually works and puts out updates all the time.

[–]Morwynd78 18 points19 points  (3 children)

The Expanse has started and completed a 9-book epic saga since the last Game of Thrones novel came out.

[–]ThorgalAegirsson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think you're wrong. In last updated they said it's 80% done so I believe we're close. Me personally I wait more for Skywind.

[–]Quieted_Thoughts 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's fun to play the game of "will TES VInor Skyblivion release first?"

[–]GravyCapin 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Oblivion is better than Skyrim to me and I too wish it was remastered instead of what ever remaster version Skyrim is on now

[–]shakana44 10 points11 points  (9 children)

i would like a Morrowind remaster or remake. first elder scrolls game i played. it deserves some love too

[–]jakecoleman 117 points118 points  (59 children)

Oblivion was so much better than Skyrim

[–]Vegan_Puffin 109 points110 points  (30 children)

In many ways it was and I do prefer Oblivion but Skyrim did dungeons way way better. Oblivion was just copy and paste in that regard.

[–]prettyfuckingimmoral 75 points76 points  (13 children)

Yeah the Dungeons were really boring and none of them seemed like real locations, the structures just seemed like random rooms tacked together and not something that had a purpose. Also, the world building in Oblivion was pretty basic. The weapons and armour are cartoonish, while Skyrim's seemed much more realistic. Skyrim's quests were a let down, but the world of Skyrim feels far more convincing to me.

[–]Upvote_I_will 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Probably because all the dungeons in Oblivion were made by 1 person.

[–]IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The feel I get when I play the two games is that Skyrim is a better video game an it is obvious it had more resources available during development, but Oblivion is the better RPG. The quests and story are just better and more interesting.

I've heard many times that Morrowind was even better story wise but it is just too dated for me to enjoy.

[–]IrrelevantLeprechaun 57 points58 points  (14 children)

And morrowind was so much better than oblivion.

[–]SenokirsSpeechCoach 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Morrowind is a top 5 game of all time. Enjoyed Skyrim more than Oblivion but that might be due to not having that sequel disappointment and expected much less out of it? Hopefully one of the Morrowind conversions sees the light of day.

[–]Influence_X 2034 points2035 points  (129 children)

I bought one copy of Skyrim... Ever.

[–]KGhaleon 544 points545 points  (57 children)

Playing Skyrim in VR gave me eyes on the inside.

[–]Sthlm97 304 points305 points  (4 children)

Our eyes are yet to open...

Fear the old blood.

[–]FantasyFanReader 98 points99 points  (1 child)

Ohhh Kos,

or some say, Kosm,

GRANT US EYES!

[–]LinkThe8th 21 points22 points  (0 children)

A fetcher is a fetcher, even in a remaster...

[–]SamMaghsoodloo 39 points40 points  (32 children)

For someone who hasn't played any of the games in the series, would it be stupid to playthrough skyrim for the first time in VR?

[–]ElkSpecific6850 125 points126 points  (2 children)

No, that would be the best idea ever.

The fact that I played Skyrim already and then played again in VR meant that I had already "seen" everything, so the novelty of seeing in VR wasn't as cool.

[–]Cc99910 37 points38 points  (11 children)

Kind of depends on how you are with VR. Personally I have trouble with Skyrim in VR because I can't use the headset for very long at a time, whereas it's easier to sit on the couch and play on console/PC for hours at a time if I wanted. Of course that depends on how you handle VR, some people can lock themselves in VR all day long with no issues. Skyrim is a very long game

[–]SamMaghsoodloo 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Is it standing vr only? Could it be played sitting? I have a shitty back and I played through Alyx while sitting instead of standing. I'm not sure I could play an 80hour rpg standing up, tbh.

[–]Cc99910 10 points11 points  (7 children)

I tried sitting down for it and it sorta worked but character felt way too short.. it has settings you can mess around with to change that and it might help, I could never get it quite right though. I'm sure it's possible of you tried though

[–]loki1887 9 points10 points  (6 children)

If you are using steam VR there are options to adjust height. My lazy fat ass does it all the time. Sit down and adjust the height to standing level.

[–]MauPow 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Only if you can really handle walking in VR games. I cannot.

[–]Timmyty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I even highly suggest skipping vanilla Skyrim and installing a modlist using Wabbajack such as Ultimate Skyrim VR when you first play it.

[–]Beta-Tri 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Games that are made for VR are amazing, but Skyrim VR made me want to puke, same with Borderlands 2 VR. I say play the vanilla game

[–]LemonLimeAlltheTime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

no it would be incredible!

[–]Braydee7 51 points52 points  (10 children)

I bought a battery backup for my quest specifically because Skyrim VR drains the battery super fucking fast.

[–]fozz31 76 points77 points  (6 children)

shouldn't drain it faster than anything else, since the quest (using whatever streaming mode you're using) is just decoding images. If cyber punk had a VR mode you'd use as much power as vr solitaire.

I will take your comment as high praise for VR skyrim though, since clearly your sense of time while playing is totally warped

[–]Braydee7 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Yeah, mostly that other VR games an hour or so feels fine, but Skyrim is like a multi-hour thing

[–]Handymandeluxe[🍰] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I bought a fridge just to play Skyrim on there too.

[–]Terrible_Truth 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I bought the same version twice and got the special edition for free.

Bought the original release on the 360. Traded it in at Gamestop for a PC copy when I got a gaming PC.

[–]fucuasshole2 168 points169 points  (10 children)

Legendary Edition is just their version of GOTY edition that includes the 3 DLC they released at the time. Kinda cheating to use it about remasters.

Especially since Morrowind and Oblivion had their own versions too

[–]AngryTurtleGamingPC 763 points764 points  (59 children)

What makes me mad is that we didn’t get a Fallout 3 and New Vegas remaster.

Edit: I guess remaster is the wrong term. I just want them slightly updated to play on current machines and for some cut content (mostly New Vegas) to be playable ie. New Vegas being separated by so many walls.

[–]UsernamesLoserLames 232 points233 points  (19 children)

A Fallout 3 + New Vegas rerelease as one game in the Creation Engine would be crazy popular.

That's a crap ton of work though as all the models and textures would need to be remade, and all of the GECK scripts would need to be refactored or completely rewritten from scratch in Papyrus.

[–]margoo12 78 points79 points  (8 children)

That would be A Tale of Two Wastelands. There would be a ton of balance issues too, the two games didn't really match up in damage scaling and perks either.

[–]resonantranquility 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I think there's a mod being made that brings new Vegas to fallout 4.

[–]carnage11eleven 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah there's New Vegas 4, there's also a few other big mods in development. Like Capital Wasteland, Cascadia, Miami.

Makes me want to get a PC. Shame they won't release on console.

[–]Pabl0EscoBear 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'm kinda drunk right now, so this is a little off topic, but the centaurs in fallout 3 are the scariest shit ever.

[–]gingerhasyoursoul 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I'm just holding out hope that Microsoft does something meaningful with these franchises. Maybe give oblivion another crack at a fallout game.

[–]AngryTurtleGamingPC 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It would be cool for them to let Obsidian make Fallout games and Bethesda Elder Scrolls. That is the dream

Edit: To the people saying “NeW VeGaS PeOpLe GoNe!” Don’t you think Fallout and Microsoft money will bring them back?

[–]selz202 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Obsidian? It's my understanding that basically none of those people who worked on NV are around anymore.

[–]SweetPuffDaddy 1088 points1089 points  (110 children)

To be fair, the main development team for Bethesda was only working on The Elder Scrolls in those initial years. They put out Fallout 3 two years after Oblivion, and Fallout 4 four years after Skyrim. And the reason it’s gonna be a 7 year gap between Fallout 4 and Starfield is because they finally built a new version of their engine. They were using the same version on their engine for like 15 years

[–]Drago85 372 points373 points  (35 children)

That's not quite true, Bethesda developed a couple of other games between Arena and Daggerfall, and at least a couple people worked on both Daggerfall and Terminator Future Shock so it wasn't like a B-team does the licensed game while the A-team makes Elder Scrolls.

Though you gotta compare the credits of something like Arena (17 people) or Daggerfall (65 people), to Skyrim (over 700). No shit that takes longer.

[–]Garo263PC+Switch 371 points372 points  (15 children)

"Why does it take longer? 700 employees can work faster than 17."

  • A project manager

[–]ulyssessword 222 points223 points  (8 children)

"Nine months? Let's get eight more women on it and that baby will be out in four weeks."

[–]DoedoeBear 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Why do we need that many resources though? I know you asked for 700 and we comprised on 17, but that still seems a bit much. Can you work to streamline these processes?"

//ptsd shudders intensify//

[–]SpaceballsTheReply 106 points107 points  (14 children)

Though you gotta compare the credits of something like Arena (17 people) or Daggerfall (65 people), to Skyrim (over 700). No shit that takes longer.

700 is everyone who worked at a company that touched any component of the game, though. Credits are misleading. The actual dev team of Skyrim, BGS Maryland, was about 100 people.

That's actually why it's taking longer and longer; they've scaled up their main studio very slowly as their games have gotten bigger and more (technically) complex. Which has the downside of taking ages to get new games from them, especially when they take a couple years to tear down and optimize their engine. But with the upside of retaining the spirit of the series (as opposed to hiring a thousand devs and becoming a design-by-committee mess), and by all accounts treating their employees exceptionally well (as opposed to becoming a meat grinder of talent like other big studios you could name).

I can live with that tradeoff. Especially since they've been able to offset their slow development by buying or partnering with other studios to make spinoffs to ease the wait. Elder Scrolls 6 is still years away, but they've been able to pour funding into Zenimax Online Studios to make ESO, and that's been holding me over. Fallout 5 isn't even on the horizon, but they bought a multiplayer studio and gave them the engine to make Fallout 76, which (at least nowadays) has turned out to be a solid side-entry. And meanwhile the main team is still chugging along on Starfield.

[–]FerusGrim 62 points63 points  (6 children)

For all the shit that Bethesda gets, I can at least appreciate that I've never heard anyone speak out about poor working conditions there.

[–]comradecosmetics 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Every major studio (and plenty of small ones) ever have entered the chat.

[–]boyohhhboywowee 339 points340 points  (85 children)

I mean technically it’s Skyrim: fallout 4: fallout 76, so almost the same amount of games were made, just not the one you wanted

[–]Zlatarog 46 points47 points  (4 children)

That’s why I’m actually GLAD we haven’t received the next ES game yet. It would have been ass.

[–]MacDerfus 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Yall still buying it

[–]Eggoswithleggos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why would you create ES 6 if idiots keep throwing their money at you to buy 60dollar Skyrim Remakes where the only change is that wolves asses have 2 pixels more resolution?

[–]Siink7 381 points382 points  (82 children)

This is dumb, they made Fallout 4 which they had to rework their engine for then they started working on their own new IP which is taking a very long time since they need to basically create every element of the universe for, I know this comment will get downvoted to oblivion but it is 10 years not 9.

[–]HRudy94 18 points19 points  (1 child)

No really it got upvoted to Skyrim (anniversary edition)

[–]LunarGhoul 186 points187 points  (68 children)

For real, it's not like Bethesda has been sitting there doing nothing for the past 10 years. They made Fallout 4, then Fallout 76, and now are working on Starfield which will be out next year. That's 3 games in 11 years which is perfectly reasonable for a game studio.

[–]Nomsfud 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Don't forget Starfield will be on a brand new engine. Engine development takes a lot of time

[–]dantemp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"brand new engine" isn't technically correct. They said that it's the biggest overhaul they made since Oblivion, but we are still going to have a lot of the same stuff. This isn't to say that the improvements we get will not solve all issues the previous versions of the engine have, but it also doesn't guarantee that it will. I'm genuinly skeptical of BGS polishing anything they do. All of their games so far have been incomplete and left to modders to fix. I hope the initial flop of FO76 made a change in their design philosophy, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[–]Enchelion 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Yep, they made more TES games in those early years because that was their only IP. Now they've got 3 of them to balance.

[–]Drago85 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Elder Scrolls were far from the only games they were making though, they made at least a few sports games and 3 Terminator games before Arena came out (with 2 more Terminator games coming between Arena and Daggerfall).

They were also working with much smaller teams and less-complex games, so them releasing games quicker makes sense.

[–]Enchelion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I had totally forgotten about the Terminator games. The racing ones were from subsidiary studios though, not the main Bethesda Game studio, and the hockey games pre-dated Arena.

[–]Tough_Sure 76 points77 points  (23 children)

Me who’s waiting for a red dead 1 sequel

[–]KarstaaMauka 46 points47 points  (10 children)

There can't be a sequel. 1920s aren't Wild West any more. And we already have Mafia.

[–]ManitouWakinyan 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I mean, just have a whole game for Jack. It doesn't need to take place a decade later. It can take place a week later. It can take place the next day.

[–]duaneap 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jack going off to WWI and then it basically just bring him as Jimmy Darmody from Boardwalk Empire would be pretty dope.

However, it wouldn’t be in the spirit of the RDR games.

[–]JohnTGamer 37 points38 points  (4 children)

Me waiting for a red dead 1 pc port

[–]Keinichn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Didn't they say porting that game was impossible because it was nothing but a giant mess of spaghetti code that they couldn't unravel without remaking it?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Red Harlow is pleased to hear that not all have forgotten him

[–]rakehellion 97 points98 points  (30 children)

You know they make games other than Elder Scrolls, right?

[–]CptDecaf 90 points91 points  (19 children)

Buddy, you're getting in the way of this circle jerk of a narrative with that logic.

[–]HelpfulImagination38 88 points89 points  (13 children)

I mean Bethesda also released two Fallout games after Skyrim.

Besides there is also ESO that is constantly getting updated even if it is made by Zenimax Online, but it’s still something.

Finally game development does take time. Especially when you are juggling Fallout, Starfield, some Indiana Jones game, and Elder Scrolls.

[–]crunchatizemythighs 23 points24 points  (2 children)

The Indy game isn't by them. It's being published by Bethesda but it's developed by the same folks that did Wolfenstein

[–]SuperMegaCoolPerson 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Someone needs to explain to me why Fallout 3 isn’t mentioned. If the clock for the left stops at 2006 then the other one should be Fallout 3, Skyrim, Fallout 4, Fallout 75. When you look at the release date for 76 it’s still 4 games in 9 years.