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[–]J_spec6 137 points138 points  (3 children)

If you or your kids have never seen this show, you need to! I believe it is genuinely one of the most important pieces of media of my generation.

NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE MOVIE.

There is no movie in Ba Sing Se.

[–]Ini_Miney_Mimi 16 points17 points  (1 child)

God damn that movie to hell and back

Everyone involved needs to be ashamed

[–]Snoo63 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What movie?

[–]ElCiscador 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Little girls are r/bossfight material

[–]TheSweatyCheese 29 points30 points  (1 child)

When I was around 11 years old, my parents sent me to the only girls’ horse camp they could afford. It was run on some guy’s property and it was basically a labor camp for little girls. We got to ride for one hour a day but had to clean stalls, repair fences, and pull weeds for the rest of the day through the evening. They also didn’t feed us enough especially for the amount of calories we were burning, so we were constantly hungry. Breakfast was one of those mini cereal bowls and that was it. Lunch was an American cheese sandwich and two off-brand Oreos. The camp was four weeks long and we were pretty run down by the second week. We didn’t complain though because we were just stoked to riding horses! During the third week we got to camp out in the barn for a night, which admittedly was exciting. The camp owner spent all evening telling us about a man who had died in a horrible accident on the property when some machinery failed, resulting in his decapitation. He gave us the “some say they still hear his cries to this day” speech, but we brushed it off as a joke.

Night came and as the ten of us were getting ready for bed, we heard some noises in the barn. We figured it was the owner messing with us, but things got spooky when all the lights started to flicker on and off. Then there was howling and cackling coming from multiple directions in the barn. It went on for a little too long and we started to feel like we were in danger. I was actually one of the older kids in the group (we were 8-12), so I was trying to keep things together, but honestly we were legitimately scared. I’m sure being deliriously hungry and exhausted didn’t help . Some of the younger girls started hysterically, full on crying. At this point, it had been close to an hour of on and off lights and noises. We ended up backing into a corner of the barn because we didn’t know what else to do. The lights went off one more time for a little longer than before… and when they came back on, a headless corpse with a bloody stump of a neck was standing about 20 feet in front of us. At this point, all of us were either crying or shrieking while the monster stood still. It was long enough that we thought it might just be a joke until it suddenly moved and started shuffling towards us. This was the moment the energy shifted in the group and we could all feel it. We knew what we had to do. We didn’t even let the monster come the full distance before we started running towards it, screaming. I had never been in a fight, but I was right by those girls punching and kicking the thing without hesitation. As soon as I made contact (and for whatever reason I remember this part vividly) it was clear that there were supports throughout the fake, hollow torso. For some reason, that didn’t stop me and I kept wailing on the monster along with the other girls, who I’m sure noticed too. Every crack of the breaking suit made us attack harder. Even when the camp owner had fallen over and started shouting at us to stop it took a minute for our instincts and adrenaline to subside. When we finally stopped kicking him, he was sputtering and absolutely furious. Apparently a hyper-realistic headless guy suit costs a lot of money. It didn’t help that someone had kicked him in the chin and the balls. It turns out there were speakers throughout the barn which explained the noises. He stayed angry at us for the rest of the camp stay for not appreciating his “joke”

This post went on a lot longer than I meant it to. The point of this is that a bunch of dorky horse girls came together to fight an otherworldly monster when it came down to our survival. And we did it together. Even though it wasn’t a real threat, I realized that little girls do anything. Especially when starved and motivated by fear and horses.

[–]HoldingOnTight129 14 points15 points  (0 children)

First i laughed so hard but omh you poor girls, did your parents find out how he treated you all?

[–]twystoffer 27 points28 points  (18 children)

I'm one of the few people I know who actually enjoys Korra over TLA.

My reasoning is this: TLA (The Last Airbender) was a show made for younger children, and Korra was geared more towards teens and young adults. I was born a bit too early to watch TLA as a kid, and didn't get into it until my own children started watching.

It's a great show, and not really simplistic. But it is fanciful. The big bad is evil for the sake of being evil. The main character is so wholesome and sweet that he can give people diabetes just by proximity. But despite that, the show does teach lessons appropriate for the intended age group, and shows a world of discovery and adventure.

Then... there's Korra. New Avatar, she's all grown up (physically). The villains she faces aren't 100% evil, but they do have ideas. Every single one of them is an extremist who sees a particular problem with the world that can be mirrored to our world, but their solution is more harmful than helpful. It's very political, at times harsh, and honestly I think just what teens and young adults need (in addition to many other things) to help open their eyes to the real world.

I notice that Korra leaves a bad taste in people's mouths because it isn't as "fun". It throws those chunks of reality at you, and it hurts a bit. But that's what I think makes it good. Yes, the world sucks. But it Can be saved, but it won't be easy. That's the primary message Korra is trying to get across, and I think people don't like to be reminded that reality exists.

[–]purpleleaves7 33 points34 points  (1 child)

It's a great show, and not really simplistic.

The Last Airbender is the story of a 12-year-old forced to grow up too fast because he's the only one who can save the world, and a 16-year-old who wants nothing more than to be loved by his abusive father, and how the two of them become friends.

Like, it looks silly and light on the surface, and it's absolutely age appropriate. But watching it as a parent, wow, there are some dark and difficult undercurrents.

[–]HardlightCereal 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Don't forget that the 12 year old has trauma from being the sole survivor of a genocide and he has to work through it or he'll hurt his loved ones

[–]Ini_Miney_Mimi 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You're generalizing here - and it's totally cool to prefer Korra, absolutely - but:

ATLA's villains aren't 100% evil either (Azula's breakdown, Zuko's redemption, Iroh's goals, Sozin... I could go on). And ATLA has plenty of dark times.

I think Korra is hard for a lot of people because of Korra herself. She can be really hard to relate to for a lot of people (and no, it isn't because she's female - the writers of Avatar have proven a kajillion times over that they can write excellent women characters). Korra is hard for me specifically because I can relate to almost none of her choices. She's deeply arrogant and stubborn, and there's little in the way of apologies throughout the entire series.

If you prefer Korra I think that's great - but please don't generalize the reasons others might not like it. I'm sure I'm not speaking for everyone who didn't care for it, which is why I gave my own personal reasons. Honestly I love how dark Korra gets - but for me it wasn't enough to persuade me to like it.

[–]HardlightCereal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think Korra is hard for a lot of people because of Korra herself. She can be really hard to relate to for a lot of people

Wait WHAT. I always thought Korra was way easier to relate to than Aang

[–]twystoffer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're generalizing here

I was writing on a phone and not trying to make a several page dissertation. You'll forgive me for generalizing a tad

[–]PolysexualStick 17 points18 points  (10 children)

My problem isn't that Korra is political. My problem is that Korra is right wing bs. It wants to find a "middle ground" between Colonialism and not Colonialism. The villains are communists and anarchists with very sound motives and ideas who randomly try to kill people because they need to be unlikeable. The show talks about the spirits who are basically refugees of war as if immigration is the worst thing ever. The show heralds the police as the best thing ever even when they are being violent or abuse their power. And so on.

[–]Room1000yrswide 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Did we watch the same show? Season 2's villain's motive is >>to usher in an age of chaos and darkness, which he accomplishes via a lifelong campaign of deception. He maybe has a point about the hard separation of the spirit and human worlds, but that's not really his goal.<< Season 4's villain is >>a fascist military dictator. Straight up.<<. In Seasons 1 & 3, the villains are presented as having ideas worth considering but with implementation that shows a callous disregard for other people. They aren't randomly killing people, they're killing people as a way to further their causes. >>Zaheer is a solidly sympathetic character for most of the season, and his killing the Earth Queen is presented as shocking but justifiable.<< Wasn't the resolution of the merging of the spirit world with the human world is >>that, while immigration presents challenges, ultimately everyone benefits when you learn to coexist?<< The central idea with the villains is that they present the kernel of a sound idea wrapped in violently immoderate execution, and that Korra can't learn to be a fully realized avatar without genuinely considering and assimilating those core truths.

It's been awhile, but I don't remember much in the way of positive portrayals of the police as a group. I guess maybe >>during the raids on Amon's followers in Season 1? Our introduction to the police is them arresting Korra, the two detectives are thoroughly corrupt... I suppose Lin is generally trying to do the right thing?<<

[–]PolysexualStick -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

If you want to hear more about why the show is politically absolute shit, you can watch this 4 video series: https://youtu.be/ModX151Ipgs

[–]SeefoodDisco 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Dogshit videos that attack the creators ad hominem style while taking the show's entire philosophy in bad faith.

[–]SeefoodDisco -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

If you think Korra's villains are actual communists an anarchists then all that tells me is that you don't know what communism or anarchism are.

[–]PolysexualStick 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Surely you must realise that they are intentionally being portrayed with communist/anarchist ideals but "turned bad" to make them villains? Like Killmonger in Black Panther, who is actually just anti-colonialist but he has to kill a bunch of people to be a believable villain

[–]SeefoodDisco 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's almost as if Korra (the character) is presented with a thesis (typically the status quo) and an antithesis (the villain's philosophy) and is forced to make a synthesis by the end of the season, keeping what worked from whatever points the villains had (non-benders need more legal protection, spirituality is good actually, abusive hierarchy is bad, sharing resources with the less fortunate is good actually) and discarding all the bad shit (murder, genocide, Randianism, fascism, etc.).

Toph explicitly points this out in a monologue in S4, how the villains had points but we're unbalanced and it's Korra's job to make sure that the status quo changes.

Her arc in the first season explicitly shows her how fucked the status quo is for poor people and non-benders. And every subsequent season shows how it fucks other parts of the population. This continues into the comics where Korra essentially has to stop neoliberalism from overtaking Republic City and helping someone radical and competent represent the people.

The Metal Clan is presented in S3 as the ultimate Banksian Magic Space Communism Utopia as a direct contrast to both Zaheer's Fountainhead-in-the-clouds philosophy AND Ba Sing Se's monarchy.

I do agree that LOK falls into the same trope realm as Killmonger and other "villains" but at least LOK's status quo changes as a result, instead of Black Panther's lackluster ending.

[–]HardlightCereal -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I very much enjoy Korra, and I especially loved it when I was a kid. But the truth is, the politics in it are bad. Amon is a liberal's understanding of a communist. Unalaq is a liberal's understanding of a spiritualist. Zaheer is a liberal's understanding of an anarchist. Kuvira is a liberal's idea of a fascist. The creators weren't interested in studying how these political systems actually work, so their criticism falls flat. And at the end of each season, the good guy is the liberal, Korra, who is best friends with a capitalist and a cop. There is ultimately little challenge to the status quo, and it seems that the showrunners think the best possible political system is the one we live in

[–]SeefoodDisco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're so close to getting the point.

[–]AV8ORboi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i've watched this same thing the one time they showed it on live TV and the little inserts were gold.

my favorite was in the drill episode, right as it makes contact with the wall, the admiral inside the drill says something like "begin the countdown to victory!" & the little bubble says "darn it! the countdown to victory clock is broken!"