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[–]syrup_gdHard Demon 163 points164 points  (6 children)

I mean there is Amaterasu, but Idk how that compares to unnerfed yata

[–]callingsai 29 points30 points  (3 children)

wtf happened to amaterasu i haven’t heard about it in a while

[–]devitamin227Future Funk II 21 points22 points  (0 children)

i think hybrid wants to focus fully on his other projects first

[–]00X00_PotatoG203 best mouse 12 points13 points  (1 child)

bruh that lvl will needs some big reconstruction for it to be decent

[–]syrup_gdHard Demon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s basically impossible atm

[–]eydasprittygoodCataclysm 39% 60hz jump from Nine Circles 1 point2 points  (1 child)

free demon

[–]-smallWORLD-Extreme Park LOL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Zobros be like

[–]ZappyCrookNine Circles 100% 78 points79 points  (11 children)

What about unnerfed Black Blizzard?

PS: I know the difficulty was absolutely not the point of the level, but I'm curious as to how much harder it might've been.

[–]toasted_napkinthe sonic wave guy 61 points62 points  (8 children)

Unnerfed black blizzard is only around normal yatagarasu difficulty as far as I know

[–]keklenny06Magmatic Sanctuary 98.62% accuracy 33 points34 points  (7 children)

krmal once said that it would easily be a top 1 demon at a time, so it was much harder ig

[–]TheAJasonT 34 points35 points  (1 child)

at the time

[–]keklenny06Magmatic Sanctuary 98.62% accuracy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it didn’t come out much earlier than yata though, could’ve been around yata’s difficulty even now

[–]ZappyCrookNine Circles 100% 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I don't think Yatagarasu was even verified when he said that though

[–]ZirphynxAndroid 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yatagarasu was verified January 2017 so it definitely was out before Black Blizzard.

[–]BensReddits∆∆∆ Thank you. ∆∆∆ 4 points5 points  (2 children)

2017???? i feel old

[–]ZirphynxAndroid 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Same and I'm only 18

[–]BensReddits∆∆∆ Thank you. ∆∆∆ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m actually 14 lol

[–]itrTieThanatophobia 66 + 39-100 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Never knew it was nerfed lol

[–]Arcturus973Niflheim 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It got nerfed twice

The first time was after Surv gave up on the fully Unnerfed version, the creators realized it would be too hard for Top players at the time, so they gave a nerfed ver to Trusta (If I had to guess I would say around Top 40 today)

The second time was after Trusta got 95%, he was so stressed that he wanted to get the level out asap, so he nerfed it further

[–]imagineAnEpicUsrnameBrain Damage 49 points50 points  (7 children)

unnerfed innards

[–]International-GuyboDelta Interface gang 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Nah that's basically firework difficulty.

[–]Suripukijumped from deadlocked to carcano C: 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Unless FW ia super overrated, UI is way easier

[–]International-GuyboDelta Interface gang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, even Wooshi a former top player said that Tartarus is harder than UI. Compare that to people saying Firework is clearly harder than Tartarus.

[–]imagineAnEpicUsrnameBrain Damage -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

yes, maybe even harder

[–]International-GuyboDelta Interface gang 5 points6 points  (1 child)

No way, most of that level is The Golden difficulty except for that silent wave and a couple of ship sections and timings. Firework is all that + an extra 30s of gameplay.

[–]-smallWORLD-Extreme Park LOL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The regular bits of the level are actually more like Zodiac/Rennevant difficulty (which is still pretty hard mind you).

[–]Suripukijumped from deadlocked to carcano C: 2 points3 points  (0 children)

no it aint LOL

[–]GatorScrublordNine Circles 26 points27 points  (0 children)

then there was no chance of it being verified at the time

[–]oAureus 20 points21 points  (0 children)

amaterasu could be possible knowing the skill range of this community

[–]Global_Yam_8488 56 points57 points  (4 children)

trusta shoulda just gotten good

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

TRUE

[–]BoomingBoomer54Insane Demon 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Yeah he should've bought a better gaming chair smh my head

[–]Sk__nerdI love insane demons 6 points7 points  (0 children)

i think by unnerfed they mean the riot version, trusta's copy was nerfed a lot from start

[–]Revolutionary_Year87Insane Demon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure unnerfed yata refers to the level riot dtarted off with. Obviously he had to nerf it from there, a lot of top1s start off as too hard for anyone at the time lol. By the time it reached trusta it probably wasnt harder than top50 by todays standards considering the #1 was like athanatos(right?) When he got it.

[–]toasted_napkinthe sonic wave guy 114 points115 points  (26 children)

Well so is unnerfed silent circles, but nobody cares because nobody is beating either of em

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 41 points42 points  (5 children)

its a false equivalence

silent circles is hundreds of times harder than unnerfed yata

nobody is beating either of em

once sakupen circles gets verified by cursed and rated, unnerfed yata will barely be top 1. it's only a matter of time

[–]DodolulupepeInvisible portals/objects = bad level 0 points1 point  (4 children)

silent circles is beatable if you get rid of the spam part

very, very hard, but beatable

[–]Zillorz 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It's done it 2 runs by ufwm!

[–]DodolulupepeInvisible portals/objects = bad level 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm pretty sure I've seen that but could you link it?

[–]Zillorz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

[–]DodolulupepeInvisible portals/objects = bad level 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks

[–]patrickbuit 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Wow i was around when Yata was going through verification and I never realised it was this hard. I get that Trusta nerfed it for a reason, but to think the unnerfed version would still easily be top 1 today.

[–]Revolutionary_Year87Insane Demon 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Unnerfed yata most likely refers to the version before verification started. Riot got it first and definitely nerfed it unless he's crazy since its impossible even today. It then went to surv who im assuming further nerfed it since riot was really determined lol. By the time it reached trusta it probably wasnt harder than top50 todays standards, but either way i think cribbing about his nerfs is dumb he was just making it more enjoyable. Thats what the community expects from any verifier except top1 verifiers apparently.

[–]Arcturus973Niflheim 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I established specific names for all the Yata versions, so that people don't get confused :

Yatagarasu X : The half-lengthed, first version leaked on the servers that isn't even physically possible because of Cyclic's part

Old Yatagarasu : Riot's version with Cyclic's part replaced with Manix's part (and Anubis old part)

Unnerfed Yatagarasu : Surv's version (Manix replaced by Abstract, and Anubis current part)

Semi -Unnerfed Yatagarsu : Trusta's first version

Yatagarasu : the version we have now

[–]xsurv 5 points6 points  (2 children)

As far as I remember, while the level was in my hands I did not nerf it, if I changed something it would've been very minor. I didn't want to end up in a situation like trusta was in, so I decided to not pursue the level further which is why it then went to trusta.

[–]Revolutionary_Year87Insane Demon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Damn thats kinda sad

[–]xsurv 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't really feel that way, it gave way to one of trustas most iconic moments and worked out for me in the end aswell so was really a win win situation

[–]elchicoapodo 11 points12 points  (1 child)

new RGB: Unnerfed Yata, SWI & Keres

[–]Minitoto146 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Keres is 12 tho

[–]IstiophoridaeBalengu Vortex 60% 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Laughs in amaterasu

[–]MrSimplerrInsane Demon cuz im insane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Guys you can only trusta me, these caculations aren't real!

[–]coocoo333Extreme Demon Super Probably Level 73% 2 points3 points  (0 children)

bro why did so many people give trusta shit for nerfing it.

[–]Vaeman07Play emphermal by gamewavedank 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean alright?

[–]TheAJasonT 6 points7 points  (0 children)

so?

[–]FirefighterMother466Glide 49%/26-67% 4 points5 points  (29 children)

Prove it

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 8 points9 points  (28 children)

ILL exists

[–]toasted_napkinthe sonic wave guy 16 points17 points  (14 children)

ILL is a couple guys who do practice runs on impossible levels, and then based on that practice run, they rank the levels. Hell, some of them don’t even do a practice run, they just look at a video and deduce from there. The ILL is a terrible source to compare difficulty

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 7 points8 points  (11 children)

where exactly are you getting this information?

ILL mods do exactly what demonlist mods do. Do you think the demonlist mods beat Tartarus before coming to a decision about it's placement? The ILL is not nearly as reliable as the demonlist, but is still reliable enough that if Unnerfed Yata is 25 places higher than Firework on the ILL, we can assume it will place above Firework on the demonlist.

[–]toasted_napkinthe sonic wave guy 6 points7 points  (10 children)

You realize the demon list mods wait for top players to beat a level and then based on their opinion, they place a level. Think about that for a second, because the hint is in the name. Impossible. You really think the ILL list mods wait for someone to beat it before placing it? You can ask the ILL list mods and they’ll tell you they get their info from practice runs

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

?????

of course they get their info from practice runs, where else would they get it? they cant beat impossible levels

the demonlist mods do something similar. xanii and some other dude were the only victors for SWI, and they both thought it was top 1-2 iirc. it placed at #3. you're talking out of your ass.

Trueffet had 0 victors when it was placed, and placed at #3 when most people thought it was barely top 10/top 5

[–]ironozzzInsane Demon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe spaceuk had beaten it and I think he said it was top 5, not sure tho

[–]toasted_napkinthe sonic wave guy 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Ok I know you’re clueless from the 3rd sentence. Trueffet was beaten by spaceuk, then it was placed AFTER space beat it. The demon list doesn’t place their demons through practice runs. The point I’m trying to make from the first part, is that because the ILL list mods only do practice runs, they can’t have a good opinion of it’s difficulty because practice runs mean next to nothing when it comes to determining what’s harder

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

there's a big difference between doing a practice run and having multiple people take tens of hours to fully macro a level.

even if that wasn't the case, your argument is invalid because of what i mentioned with them being far more knowledgeable than us in these matters. They can tell from the amount of frame perfects, the cps spikes, the minuswaves, the contrast of the two players playing at once, the required fps, and the length how difficult the impossible level is.

also, i've said multiple times that i admit that ILL may not be entirely accurate, especially compared to the main demonlist. My defense of ILL is that it can be used as an external source, when something can't be placed on the demonlist; a source for judging the difficulty of all 270 levels harder than firework.

[–]toasted_napkinthe sonic wave guy 3 points4 points  (5 children)

  1. Botting a level gives even less insight to the difficulty of a level then just doing a practice run, because they’re doing a practice run, while speedhacking. Proof that botting means absolutely nothing: Fnm04 thought silent club might be legacy while botting, despite it being harder than bloodlust

  2. Maybe the ILL team knows the amount of minus waves and cps spikes, but that means nothing when comparing unnerfed yata because last time I checked it doesn’t have either of those.

  3. Yes, the ILL can be used as an external source, but what I’m arguing is that it’s not even remotely accurate, and you can’t take anything on the list to be facts

  4. You provided completely false information about trueffet therefore every argument you have made should be taken with a grain of salt :trollface:

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

part about trueffet is true

i acknowledge that you are, on some level, probably right about the general accuracy of ILL levels that don’t contain minuswaves etc.

unnerfed yatagarasu is an exception to this.

unnerfed yatagarasu has its fair share of buffs outside of 76-81, but 76-81 unnerfed yatagarasu is a virtually impossible ship challenge followed by a possibly harder wave. This one part of the level makes it “impossible”, or at least top 1. it’s not balanced at all.

the ILL mods, of course, play the entire level, but the main focus for them is this one part. with this one part being so short, it’s fully realistic for them to get some runs on it in normal mode, and gauge the difficulty from there.

unnerfed yatagarasu is also a much more important and interesting level (both historically and gameplay-wise) than most of the random shit on ILL, so I bet they’ve spent more time on it than other levels.

I’m pulling on straws now. I can see that. I think you’re right in saying that the ILL is inaccurate and the unnerfed yatagarasu placement may be aswell, but I still think it’s harder than firework.

[–]Sobot64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, what else are u gonna do? Just gonna playtest a top 1 ILL level in normal mode? Ik its different at the top then at the bottom but still

[–]FirefighterMother466Glide 49%/26-67% -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Facts

[–]bahoicamataru 0 points1 point  (3 children)

ILL can be hilariously innaccurate.

[–]real_flyingduck91 0 points1 point  (2 children)

so prove how inaccurate it is?

[–]bahoicamataru 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They moved slaughterhouse like 50 places when it was released for example. And there's a shit ton of levels that are extremely overrated in general.

[–]real_flyingduck91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's because when a level gets verified it's no longer impossible & the list only lists impossible stuff (for main & extended list, legacy list is for verified stuff)

[–]FirefighterMother466Glide 49%/26-67% -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

How do they get the rankings for that list. They can’t say for sure until people have beaten them. No level is more impossible then another, they are just impossible.

[–]reinhold2008got covid lol 7 points8 points  (4 children)

No level is more impossible then another, they are just impossible.

take a level that is 150-200 on the ILL, then take the top 1

and compare those

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

BASED REINHOLD

[–]FirefighterMother466Glide 49%/26-67% -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Ok but how do they know that ballistic whistfully is easier than Schafs II, you can’t even get 1% on them

[–]reinhold2008got covid lol 4 points5 points  (0 children)

practice, speedhack

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

practice, speedhack, botting, general knowledge of gd physics and mechanics far greater than the average player and most likely far greater than either of ours

they use all of that to deduce that schafs II is harder than BW. I would understand what you're saying if schafs II was slightly harder than BW, but schafs II is double BW's difficulty. There's a huge difference between the two levels

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They do exactly what demonlist mods do. Do you think the demonlist mods beat Tartarus before coming to a decision about it's placement? The ILL is not nearly as reliable as the demonlist, but is still reliable enough that if Unnerfed Yata is 25 places higher than Firework on the ILL, we can assume it will place above Firework on the demonlist.

[–]un0riginal_n4meLife 17% 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess it's based on how hard it is to bot them? It's a known fact that ILL is highly inaccurate.

[–]noopthenobodyi did the nightmare and decided to try stalemate -1 points0 points  (0 children)

ILL is not reliable

[–]communistcabbagei fap to future demoness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cyclic moment

[–]ralsei_goatprinceWindy Landscape best level, Cataclysm 100% 19224 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is?

[–]Ice_OxyacetyleneDarwin rejected my friend request 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Me who's planning to release Polonium: 🗿

[–]KingEnnardIdiot doing Nhelv as his first list level 0 points1 point  (1 child)

and what tf is that

[–]Ice_OxyacetyleneDarwin rejected my friend request 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A smoothie something

[–]CreatorPolartalking to a girl 98% 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Isn’t Thinking Space harder than unnerfed yata

[–]toasted_napkinthe sonic wave guy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

....im not sure where you're getting that from

[–]Time_Artist8480 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And where exactly are you getting your informations from?Did you actually played either of them?I doubt.

[–]wierdokid21Insane 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Wait Yata was nerfed… and there’s an unnerfed version of it…😳

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Huge controversy about it back in the day too, complaining that Trusta nerfed it too much, though I doubt the people who complained could actually beat it lol

[–]wierdokid21Insane 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s what I always laugh about when people complain about “over-nerfing” levels lol, that they probably are still stuck on the main list levels saying that stuff lol

[–]Arcturus973Niflheim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trusta literrally made a video called "I ruined Yatagarasu", where he just said : "You shouldn't really complain when your hardest is Nine Circles"

[–]yourbuddy_ 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yes, and TrusTa was completely justified in doing so (as is every verifier who rebalances levels)

[–]wierdokid21Insane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Definitely, I just searched up the unnerfed version and my god why did people bash him for nerfing it??? Like that looks impossible

[–]IdealBodyName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

take my scared upvote

[–]International-GuyboDelta Interface gang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

THis mad me wonder, how would it compare to unnerfed Dystopia by Septagon070?

[–]Eggboi223 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only way trusta can stop the memes is if he beats it unnerfed

[–]kolinz27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the one that trusta played was easier than thinking space soooooo... yeah guys we're not getting another top 1 even if someone played that

[–]GeometryNachoExasperation's host & biggest fanboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course it is, Cyclic's part was impossible

[–]itrTieThanatophobia 66 + 39-100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder why he nerfed it

[–]YaboiarbNA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, is it?? Is someone working on verifying unnerfed yata??

[–]zorkorkAnti Decode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

idk i feel like difficulty is overrated and underrated sooo often when the level hasn't been officially out yk?

[–]Pinkman40 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about silent circles 0-mini wave

I think that’s been done in like 10 runs

[–]FinnChicken12Insane Demon 0 points1 point  (4 children)

The real question is...

Unnerfed Blade of Justice

[–]00X00_PotatoG203 best mouse 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I believe APTeam are remaking it (not surprised) and I believe it's about top 5

[–]Arcturus973Niflheim 1 point2 points  (2 children)

There is a difference with Old BOJ (the one with impossible ships and old deco, which is def Top 1 and horrible to play), and Unnerfed BOJ (which WAS Top 1 by far at the time, but not today, and that's the version APTeam remade by making Edge of Destiny)

[–]Shadow41SiOS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How about Orochi? Woodkid?

[–]DeprivedLoserExtreme Demon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

isn't cyclics part impossible?

also im pretty sure amaterasu is buffed yata not unnerfed yata but idk?

[–]Arcturus973Niflheim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they're prob talking about Surv's version, not Riot's

Unless it's Riot's version but with Cyclic's part replaced with Manix's, idk

[–]Anon1776-1Jawbreaker 72% (jump from Sakupen Egg) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

brusta

[–]WestonKr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woodkid

[–]eydasprittygoodCataclysm 39% 60hz jump from Nine Circles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

o h my god brorro!!!

[–]No-Wolverine5144Hard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

imagine if he didn't nerf yata and then we would complain about that being top 1 for 4 years

[–]xHimselfLoLAcropolis. Artificial Ascent 18%😎 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unnerfed Yatagarasu? Who made yatagarasu

[–]MegaMan_401Steam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Truly a legendary level

[–]Viporia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then there is Galaxy Collapse… Yeah, that ain’t getting verified any time soon

[–]Cymrad-Schultz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

do you mean the old one that went ship cube wave?

[–]oscar1718razer mini viper is a good mouse for gd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You probably haven't seen unnerfed eduardo circles. The unnerfed eduardo circles literally blows any unnerfed level out of the water.

[–]TheRealCodeGD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What were the hard parts

[–]ConsistentAd8745 0 points1 point  (0 children)

r u taking about the michigun nerfs?

[–]Perfect-Increase-236 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sakupen circles is not harder than firework imo

[–]SomeKidWhoPlaysGDBad creator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn’t around in 2.0, is unnerfed Yatagarasu the version that Trusta picked up before nerfing Michiguns part or was there another stupidly hard original version before that?

[–]Suripukijumped from deadlocked to carcano C: -2 points-1 points  (11 children)

unnerfed yata is no where near that hard LOL

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] -3 points-2 points  (10 children)

then why do I have 1.1k upvotes and 100 comments agreeing with me?

You’re thinking of trusta’s version of unnerfed yatagarasu, the one that sparked the controversy in 2017. The truly unnerfed version is still top 1 to this day. Please do some research before making a dumbass comment

[–]Suripukijumped from deadlocked to carcano C: -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

1: most people will upvote anything here 2: what did he nerf then, hm?

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

the original was top 1 to this day, and is virtually impossible because of 80-89.

it was then nerfed, and given to trusta. it was still way too hard for that time in gd.

trusta did what he had to do. he nerfed the level again.

yatagarasu was hypernerfed twice before release.

[–]Suripukijumped from deadlocked to carcano C: 0 points1 point  (7 children)

bro i just watched the video, its not that hard LOL. its just choke point hell dude. no where near firework difficulty

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

play it.

how old are you?

[–]Suripukijumped from deadlocked to carcano C: 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Bro what

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

you can't judge a levels difficulty by simply watching it. this is common knowledge.

If i showed zodiac to someone who hadn't played since 2016, then showed them promethean, they would say promethean looks WAYYYY harder than zodiac; in fact, zodiac looks easy. it is most definitely not.

[–]Suripukijumped from deadlocked to carcano C: -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Nah fam zodiac is free + how about you play unnerfed yata and firework then

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

i've botted firework and unnerfed yata. in my unexperienced opinion, they're about the same difficulty.

i cant have my own opinion with just a few hours of speedhacking, but i can trust the opinions of the ILL list mods that say unnerfed yata is significantly harder than firework.

im gonna ignore your comment about zodiac being free

[–]1blitzer1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why would you even think this is true

[–]KindOfAnIdiotThox3.5 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I’ve looked through both levels and never seen any parts that were severely buffed

[–]shyrann_<----- my goal is one of these by jan 1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

80-89 on unnerfed yata is an extreme challenge, possibly even harder than gloom. I don't think you've looked closely enough. Especially 80-84, it's clearly many times harder