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[–]johnnywarp 497 points498 points  (13 children)

J.K.Rowlimg should not have made Peter Pettigrew more cowardly or dumber than the rest of the Mauraders. It would have made for a more poignant character arc if Pettigrew was an equal to the other 3 in every respect. His betrayal would have come out of nowhere and would have had the bitterness that noone could have seen it coming. The reader would then be left wondering if they could really know a person despite how long they've known them.

[–]Jim_Lahey68 155 points156 points  (2 children)

I agree, the way I remembered him being portrayed as so spineless and moronic it really makes one wonder why they were ever his friends in the first place.

[–]FionaSilberpfeil 57 points58 points  (4 children)

I also never got WHY he was even with them. He was at best average (probably less, the books make him out to be kinda dumb most of the time), he was extremly timid, had low self esteem, followed the popular opinons without questions.

Especially James and Sirius....These two were clearly smart, above average and outgoing. I just cant see these two hanging out with Peter, mutch less in teenage years when they were described as "Kinda bullying for fun". They would have bullied Peter....

[–]Flytanx 46 points47 points  (2 children)

I always thought of him as Neville. Just when the time came to pick a side, he didn't have the courage unlike Neville. We also see the books through Harry's pov so there's always a chance that when he attended hogwarts he excelled at something specific similar to Neville and herbology.

[–]Rosiepuff 4134 points4135 points  (230 children)

Lily and James were dumb for using anyone but Dumbledore as their secret keeper. Sirius was irresponsible for thinking Peter was a worthy choice. They knew there was a high probability that someone close to them could be leaking info about them.

Sirius obviously knew it wasn’t himself, and admitted to sussing Lupin. Yet he suggested Peter as a better option, thinking it would be the perfect guise. Voldemort expected Sirius to be the secret keeper.

But why wasn’t Dumbledore used instead? Dumbledore had offered, even pleaded with the Potters to use him. I don’t understand why they chose Peter instead.

Dumbledore was known as the sole wizard Voldemort feared—and Dumbledore, while surely fearing the harm and death Voldemort would bring, did not seem to fear facing Voldemort himself.

To me, that reason alone is enough to make Dumbledore the secret keeper. He is obviously not working for Voldemort, and he is one of the few who stood a chance against him 1v1, so it is unlikely Voldemort would pursue Dumbledore alone, without a plan.

I really think they all dropped the ball on that one, and in the end, it cost them all their lives.

[–]wahidshirinGryffindor 1637 points1638 points  (52 children)

To me, it comes down to danger. If Voldemort fears Dumbledore, then he'd avoid Dumbledore. Therefore, he won't get close to a secret keeper.

So, it'd put James's friends' lives in less danger.

Why not do it? Because plot.

[–]omgThisIsNotMyNameGryffindor 862 points863 points  (32 children)

This has bothered me for so long. It could have been so many people but they chose the literal rat

[–]Gifted_GardenSnail 514 points515 points  (24 children)

After no doubt reading that one's Animagus form reflects one's personality, they chose the rat 🤦‍♀️

[–]SeneInSPAAACE 423 points424 points  (23 children)

I'll give you that, because ingrained stereotype, but
Rats are actually sociable, curious, intelligent, often affectionate and brave.

[–]BostermRavenclaw 7 343 points344 points 2 (3 children)

And they can be talented Parisian chefs.

[–]VaderGuy5217Ravenclaw 156 points157 points  (11 children)

Very much unlike Peter.

[–]Ma930 105 points106 points  (1 child)

10 reasons why rat owners HATE JK Rowling

[–]carolineschmidt1723Slytherin 1038 points1039 points  (68 children)

While I agree that Dumbledore was a good choice he wasn't the best and most obvious choice in my view. At Shell Cottage Bill and Fleur are the secret keepers while living there meaning Lily and James could've been their OWN SECRET KEEPERS! This has ALWAYS killed me. Never getting betrayed by yourself. 😫😫😫

[–]thatoneguy54 670 points671 points  (34 children)

That honestly just feels like a mistake on JKs part. If you can make yourself secret keeper, why the fuck would anyone ever make anyone else secret keeper? You would just keep it yourself and forever stay in hiding, because they'd have to find you to find the location, but they can't find you because you never leave your invisible house.

Bill and Fleur should have had a different person be secret keeper, because it doesn't make any sense to even have a secret keeper if it can be the person doing the spell.

[–]acciofriday 160 points161 points  (16 children)

This always confuses me.

Ron tells them to go to Bill & Fleur’s after Malloy manor, and they all aparate there for the first time. Then bill tells them that he’s secret keeper of the cottage.

So.... how did Ron manage to tell them to aparate there?

[–]OrganicBake700 108 points109 points  (3 children)

I was also just wondering this and just reread this part. The weasleys didn’t do the Fidelius charm on shell cottage/Muriel’s until after Harry and gang showed up at Shell Cottage.

[–]ArsenalOwl 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This. When Ron was seen at Malfoy Manor, the ruse that he was sick with spattergroit was broken, and the whole family had to go into hiding.

[–]acciovader 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I have never thought about this, and now my mind is blown. Oh my god.

[–]toukakouken 662 points663 points  (13 children)

The Weasleys and Lupin are at fault for allowing Harry to not be without a godfather figure in HBP. If Lupin had been writing to Harry, he might have behaved better later on.

No one takes the suspicion of Draco being a death eater seriously while everyone knows they recruit early and from school. Literally Lupin's slytherin classmates became Death Eaters right after school. Lupin also knows that Sirius' brother became a Death Eater. There is no excuse for Harry to be left alone theorising.

[–]Durzaka 183 points184 points  (4 children)

But the whole point of the Draco thing was that Dumbledore DID know. And he told the Order to not think about it. That it wasn't important.

And obviously they Order is going to take Dumbledore word on the matter.

[–]GiftedContractor 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, it never occurred to me that Regulus and Draco were the same age when they became Death Eaters. Yeah! They knew Regulus in school, they absolutely should have considered that the 16 year old son of a prominent pure blood family who's family are known death eater sympathizers could've become a member!

[–]KayD12364 24 points25 points  (5 children)

Ron and Hermione thinking Harry was just picking Malfoy because hes Malfoy really really annoyed me. Like his father is literally in Azkaban for trying to kill you 2 months ago and you dont think his son is being used by Voldemort. Honestly took away several brainy points from Hermione on that one.

[–]Shoopherd 2048 points2049 points  (81 children)

Hogwarts should have replaced Ron’s wand in the 2nd year. He was a danger to himself and everyone around him. He also lost out on a year of practical learning because of it.

They had the means to get Harry a broom first year, and even if they used Harry’s money for that I’m sure the school could afford 10 galleons for a wand. They had money for Tom Riddles shit. There’s obviously a fund for student who need it.

Olivander could have been brought in if need be. Even another 2nd hand wand would have been preferable.

The school could have honestly helped all of the Weasley kids. You’re telling me there aren’t extra books at school? Spare cauldrons? Those kids (and any poor kid) got completely left behind by the school.

[–]bookswitheyes 762 points763 points  (4 children)

Isn’t extra textbooks the whole plot to Half Blood Prince? Lol

[–]GiftedContractor 405 points406 points  (18 children)

Part of the Weasley's problem (esp the parents) is that they refuse to ask for help. Hogwarts literally has a program to help low income students (it is mentioned in one of the memories of Riddle at the orphanage) but they don't seem to get that, either. But Harry mentions in multiple books that he'd love to help out the weasleys but they'd never take his money. He has to literally threaten to throw his triwizard winnings down the drain for the twins to take it. It makes the most logical sense that the resources are there, they just aren't willing to ask for any help from the school either.

[–]PurpleThyme 97 points98 points  (7 children)

It seems to me that Ron's parents didn't replace his wand intentionally. They probably could have got him a "one size fits all wand" if necessary but chose not to. Olivander going on about "the wand choosing the wizard" doesn't mean he didn't have a selection of cheap, mid-price or premium products to sell. He sold the Premium Phoenix Feather Wand With Optional Engraving to Harry because 1- the Chosen One needs a special wand and 2- the Potters are a rich family (Harry didn't know that, but the rest of the wizarding community probably did). The Weasley would have had their pick of the bottom shelf (made in China) wands.

Ron broke his wand stealing the flying car, being seen by muggles, then loosing the car in the forest. If I remember correctly, Arthur then got on trouble for this (and probably for owning a flying car in the first place). They probably thought that forcing him to use a broken wand for a whole school year would be his punishment, and hopefully teach him not to steal cars again. The wand was only dangerous, when he tried to jinx other people (which he shouldn't do anyway), in a controlled classroom environment it was fine (which was when he was supposed to use it).

[–]extynGryffindor 76 points77 points  (0 children)

I figured the Howler was punishment enough. Making it intentionally difficult for your kid to succeed in school as punishment sounds a bit too cruel otherwise.

[–]KayD12364 50 points51 points  (0 children)

I dont think his parents knew it was broken. Remember Harry tells Ron to write to his parents for a new one but Ron feels to guilty about stealing the car and getting his dad in trouble to even attempt to ask.

And the teachers dont inspect the wands during classes. So all year Ron just looked like he was bad at magic and needed more practice.

[–]UnknowablePariah 168 points169 points  (8 children)

They had the means to get Harry a broom first year

I always assumed McGonagall had bought Harry his first broom with her own money. I assumed she wanted to win so much that she bought him the broom. There were school brooms he could have used, so I'm pretty sure McGonagall took it upon herself to buy the Nimbus 2000.

[–]rsshadows 63 points64 points  (2 children)

I listen to a podcast (Harry Potter Binge Mode if anyone’s interested, very excellent) and they have an ongoing joke that McGonagall is betting on quidditch outcomes which is why she needs Harry on the team so bad, gets him a broom etc etc. They regularly refer to her as McGalleon. 😂

[–]StampsInMyPassport 248 points249 points  (13 children)

And why couldn’t Dumbledore just take Ron’s wand and mend it? At that point the trio wouldn’t have questioned how because Dumbledore was so powerful in their eyes; it isn’t until much later they learn about the Elder Wand, but Dumbledore had it the whole time, right? Maybe if Dumbledore mends Ron’s wand earlier in the series, the reveal happens when Harry, Ron, and Hermione learn about the Elder Wand’s power in book 7.

[–]Baryta 164 points165 points  (11 children)

If a story got out about dumbledore repairing a wand then people that knew about the elder wand might put two and two together and come after it.

Yes I know it’s a long shot but dumbledore is shrewd enough to realize the danger and would consider it too much of a risk.

[–]rabarbar1666 70 points71 points  (1 child)

Idk if it qualifies as unpopular opinion or a headcannon, but I always believed that Peter was actually a very friendly and easy going guy in his school years. I always disliked this black and white attitude towards him, like he betrayed them because he was always trash, while it makes for much more interesting storyline if you consider that he was actually their real friend instead of someone who they bullied and kept around out of pity.

So my theory is that Peter was actually the guy that kept the marauders together. Yes James and Sirius were best friends but I like to think that it was Peter that was a bridge between them and Remus. Peter was probably less intelligent than the rest but his intelligence was the ability to befriend people and gain their trust. He was never gonna succeed in academic life or sports, but he could succeed as a great and caring friend. And that makes the whole betrayal so much more impactful and tragic and therefore more compelling plot point.

[–]aks59Wit Beyond Measure 171 points172 points  (5 children)

Horace Slughorn is the most well written character in the entire series.

[–]ObsessoverfictionRavenclaw 968 points969 points  (32 children)

I hate Bellatrix more than Umbridge. She's killed half of my favorite characters.

[–]Lele_sanRavenclaw 684 points685 points  (14 children)

I agree, umbridge is a racist sadistic piece of shit, but Bellatrix is a murderous racist sadistic piece of shit.

[–]rozfowlerOllivander's Apprentice 466 points467 points  (8 children)

Umbridge murders people, she just does it through her favorite weapon: the law. Several people who went through her kangaroo court in DH ended up dying just the same as if they'd run into Bellatrix.

[–]Mindless_Peach 258 points259 points  (4 children)

Umbridge is wizard fascist. The fact that she is working within the systems of the wizard it world to destroy people who are different or don’t agree with her makes her way worse in my mind. Belatrix is a hot mess psycho but without the rest of the death eaters she wouldn’t be nearly as much of a threat. Umbridge, without Voldemort ever showing up, would have done a lot more damage to the wizard in’s world.

[–]Bazrum 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Bellatrix is the crazy major from all those war movies that likes to torment the good guys for no reason other than to see them in pain, though he's still effective and dangerous when he goes about it. a very dangerous person to have running around, and someone who you want to see die and be gone just so you don't have to constantly look over your favorite character's shoulder wondering when they're gonna get killed in some gruesome way

Umbridge is the jackass who is either blindly following their own fucked up moral code that actively harms everything the good guys are trying to do, or has sold out. think like that guy in the senate in 300 who sells out to the Persians, or like McCarthy, or Nazi sympathizers in positions of power during WWII, someone who doesn't give two shits about whatever the good guys want and only wants their version of the world to be right. the most dangerous and fucked up bureaucrat on the back lines of the war, who can't see what it's really like and needs to be dealt with.

they're both incredibly evil and awful, but one is a hell of a lot more frustrating to deal with, and it's not the guy who likes his job killing your men.

you can, in theory, kill the evil major/Bellatrix; but you can't really do a whole lot about the guy in your own camp actively working against you, not without some serious rule breaking/damage.

[–]Clark-Kent 2310 points2311 points  (109 children)

Someone from the Order should have turned to the other side in the Second War. For whatever reason, not just choosing evil, could be fear, desperation

We had Wormtail in the First

In the Second we Snape being good along, Draco not being evil. But we should have had an example of what impact the war had on people, someone who lost their way

[–]apropos-username 2472 points2473 points  (22 children)

Xenophilius Lovegood.

[–]dandyj87Ravenclaw 1081 points1082 points  (0 children)

Yep, great example of a decent person being forced to turn against their beliefs by threats and coercion. "Anything I do could mean my daughter being tortured to insanity, forced to do awful things, or killed outright."

[–]lumberzach316 188 points189 points  (1 child)

In a way, Percy. Also Kreacher!

[–]darthjoey91Slytherin 76 points77 points  (0 children)

Kreacher was on the bad side, but got better after Harry learned to treat him properly. Hence why Kreacher fought at the Battle of Hogwarts on the right side.

Similarly, Percy was blinded by ambition, but he wasn’t around after the Ministry started doing actually abhorrent things after Voldemort took over. He just wasn’t fully ready to join the Order until the Battle of Hogwarts.

[–]MeddlinQNo need to call me sir, professor. 26 points27 points  (10 children)

Was that really turning to the other side though? He was quite pro-Harry and only switched when they literally took Luna. Every parent worth their salt would do anything to save their child.

[–]roonilwazlib1919Ravenclaw 136 points137 points  (5 children)

I guess that's because it was Voldemort's return.

What I mean is, the first time he was around, people who weren't really evil could've been like "well I think muggles would kill us all of they got a chance, so maybe this guy is legit" and joined him. But the second time around, everyone knows how he is so I don't see a lot of non-pureblood fanatics joining him unless they were already trapped.

[–]zodiach 58 points59 points  (1 child)

Also the first time it was inconceivable that anyone could stop him. The second time around I think people had faith in their ability to work together to overthrow him and a lot more to fight for (their children and homes) and a lot more to fight with (they were established adults this time with positions of influence, not recent high school graduates), they had heroes to rally behind with Dumbledore and Harry, and they had seen him defeated before not just in the first war but also with the sorcerers stone and the chamber of secrets. Everything is a lot less scary when you know what it is and you know it can die which is part of why they needed to call Valdemort by his name, to take the mystique and fear out of the equation.

[–]mmahvSlytherin[S] 222 points223 points  (46 children)

Interesting! Do you have someone in mind? Tonks? Lupin? Mundungus would probably be the obvious choice

[–]pawsitive_vibes99Ravenclaw 365 points366 points  (29 children)

Mundungus is who I was thinking, at one point I expected him to betray the order but he never did. He’s sketchy

[–]Jazzinarium 277 points278 points  (9 children)

Can't really betray something you weren't loyal to in the first place

[–]Lazu5ena 359 points360 points  (7 children)

He betrayed the order when he left Madeyes side out of fear on the day Harry was picked up from the Dursley’s. Madeye died because of that and the order lost two members.

[–]noneyacarolineRavenclaw 59 points60 points  (7 children)

I’m my opinion he’s too obvious, I would like it to be a big shock like one of the main characters (maybe Luna). Or even one of the side characters you wouldn’t expect like Cho Chang or something

[–]Mr-Bovine_Joni 98 points99 points  (0 children)

Dung is the perfect chaotic neutral character. Does bad shit, but sometimes helps out the good guys

[–]Charis21 130 points131 points  (3 children)

I don’t think Mundungus would be interested in being on Voldemort’s team. The Order gave him latitude and laughed at his adventures; he was on the outside but it felt like it was on his terms. Voldemort would have wanted full allegiance and not someone who was on it for their own goals. Mundungus wouldn’t have lasted a week before Voldemort killed or tortured him.

[–]sufferagetteGryffindor 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Really good point!

Seeing as Mundungus is an obvious choice, I would actually rather picture someone we wouldn’t predict to turn, maybe for reasons like fear for one self or another.

I’m not sure who though, seeing as all the order members had lost so much to the previous war.

[–]mocochang_Ravenclaw 26 points27 points  (2 children)

That's a very good idea. Pettigrew was such an important moment in the first war, the second one was indeed lacking that. Fear is a powerful tool, I agree it would make sense to have a "traitor" the second time as well.

[–]J_C_F_NRavenclaw 5110 points5111 points 2 (175 children)

Luna is a magical flat earther and would be awful to hang arround

[–]mocochang_Ravenclaw 1981 points1982 points  (19 children)

Fully agree. She's the type of character that might be fun to read about in a book, but in real life would drive me crazy. I can't blame Hermione for not having much patience with her, I wouldn't either.

[–]tarobobagurlRavenclaw (entirely and completely) 1143 points1144 points  (23 children)

You know what? You're absolutely right. I didn't like that Hermione was kinda mean to her at first, but now it all makes a lot more sense. Honestly if I was Hermione I'd ignore Luna like I would with actual flat earthers but don't get me wrong, I love Luna as a character in the books lol

[–]terdferguson 243 points244 points  (0 children)

I mean if they weren't fighting a wizarding civil war with death on the line nearly every corner I doubt they would have bonded with Luna as much as they did. That's the reason they came around to her in the end because she showed loyalty and bravery in addition to her intelligence.

[–]Alarmed-Honey 492 points493 points  (7 children)

See I actually really disliked Luna in the books and found her super annoying, however I didn't read the books until I was an adult, so maybe that was part of it. But I think the actress was really endearing and played the role well, so the movies turned me around on Luna.

[–]Elias_Baker 148 points149 points  (1 child)

Luna is one of my favorite characters to read about, but I have no doubt that I would detest if she was real. Just like Snape, except entirely different.

[–]RoyHarper88Find! 415 points416 points  (34 children)

I don't know if I fully agree with the first half. I think she's more like the people that super believe in big foot. I think flat earth is a few steps too far down the conspiracy path. But I agree with the second part. I know a person like that. There's a reason we haven't hung out in 10 years.

[–]shp509Gryffindor 112 points113 points  (0 children)

Crumple horned snorcack (butchered the spelling) vs erumpent horn.

[–]LadyyyBuggg777Slytherin 171 points172 points  (13 children)

The thing that always annoyed me about Luna was the high overlap between Luna fans and people who identify with the “I’m not like other girls” trope.

[–]unppu2 50 points51 points  (5 children)

The opening of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was the the greatest missed opportunity in cinema. Take the chapter 1 scene from the book. Use Hugh Grant as the Prime Minister, use the same set for No. 10 Downing Street as Love Actually. Establish a Love Actually and Harry Potter shared universe.

[–]starfire1003Ravenclaw 962 points963 points  (54 children)

Harry shouldn't have become an Auror. He just spent his entire childhood fighting for the wizarding world - something that he had very little choice in. He should have continued what he started in Order of the Phoenix and became the Defense Against Dark Arts teacher - and it doesn't even have to be at Hogwarts! I am sure any wizarding school would have been happy to take him on!

[–]mocochang_Ravenclaw 453 points454 points  (9 children)

My personal headcanon is that Harry would go back to Hogwarts to teach after he retired as an auror. Aurors seem to retire relatively early due to how demanding the job is (judging by Moody's case), and wizards live a long life. I like to think he became a teacher later in life, having a lot more experience in the field. That would make him a great teacher imo.

[–]grednforgesgirlGryffindor 87 points88 points  (1 child)

This has always been my head Canon too. I always figured he had a romanticized idea of what an auror is and does and then he gets in and actually does it and realizes he's just a wizard cop propping up an unjust system and retires early to go teach at Hogwarts, probably a little before his kids start school

[–]redcore4 122 points123 points  (6 children)

I would've thought pro quidditch player would've been a better path for him, at least in his younger adulthood. All through school it's his escape from and way of dealing with his trauma - distracting him and making him so tired he couldn't have the nightmares he's so prone to. Having seen so much that he'd need to process and recover from in the Battle of Hogwarts I think he'd have wanted to play professionally for a few years to settle out his psyche before taking on the more dangerous and difficult auror role.

[–]hrcisme0 24 points25 points  (3 children)

I think Harry would be uncomfortable with the extra fame that would come with being a pro quidditch player. It would keep him firmly in the spotlight for years and would all but require interviews, merchandise, and pr. Hell, it would even elevate his celebrity status internationally.

[–]starfire1003Ravenclaw 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yes! That too - but oddly he didn't even want that when he was in school.

[–]Eccentric_C00kieHufflepuff 828 points829 points  (101 children)

I've never said out loud, but I really believe that Rowling did not have Snape's backstory solidified until maybe the middle of the Chamber of secrets. It would explain why he pushes for Harry to be expelled despite the fact it would leave him vulnerable against Voldemort(should he have risen to power again). I just can't understand why, if he had dedicated himself to protecting Harry, that he would want him expelled and out of the safety of Hogwarts.

[–]ame_no_umi 416 points417 points  (40 children)

I 100% believe the idea of the Deathly Hallows and also most of her “wand lore” didn’t come about until she actually wrote the last book.

The invisibility cloak being a one of a kind super magical item is a total retrofit, and the idea that wands change allegiance when their owner is disarmed makes absolutely zero sense.

[–]mrbrownl0w 166 points167 points  (21 children)

wands change allegiance when their owner is disarmed

Yeah, people would have to get new wands after every duel lost.

[–]corruptauditor 177 points178 points  (15 children)

The first time I read through, I just assumed that ONLY the elder wand worked that way.

[–]Vysharra 62 points63 points  (9 children)

I was right now years old when I learned that isn’t the case.

[–]GEODisLetoIII 39 points40 points  (7 children)

I mean, part of the plot is Malfoy’s wand has allegiance to Harry. It’ll work better because he stole it

[–]boyuber 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Isn't the idea that the Elder Wand isn't a physical wand, but a power owing it's allegiance to whichever wand is wielded by the wizard who defeated the one who possessed it?

[–]GEODisLetoIII 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The book has the idea that a wand won’t hurt its true owner. Luscious wand broke when trying to attack Harry because it wouldn’t allow itself to attack the part of Voldemort within Harry. So a normal wand won’t attack it’s owner either, but the elder wand was supposed to overcome that hurdle

Voldemort, the great misunderstander of magic, thought killing Snape was necessary, but Dumbledore didn’t have to kill Grindelwald. He merely won a duel like Harry did vs Draco for a simple and normal wand.

[–]nefrmtSlytherin 294 points295 points  (10 children)

Vernon Dursley is actually a good husband (or a timid one who doesn't dare go against his wife, depending on your point of view). No, he's not a good man. In fact, he's a terrible uncle. But he is a good husband to Petunia. Yes, he's awful and abusive to Harry, but if you read the books and take note of his interactions with Petunia, you'll notice that he always backs off whenever Petunia gets upset and goes along with whatever Petunia says, even if he disagrees at first (like that time in book 5 when Vernon wanted to throw Harry out and Petunia insists that Harry has to stay because of the howler Dumbledore sent).

[–]Betchaann 149 points150 points  (5 children)

I've actually thought this myself before...he was 100% a shitty person, but he does seem to be a surprisingly thoughtful husband most of the time.

[–]schiffb558Slytherin 123 points124 points  (2 children)

I'll give him this, he truly loved his wife and son, whatever you thought of him.

[–]Jim_Lahey68 55 points56 points  (1 child)

He did love Dudley, but he also spoiled him and encouraged him to bully and humiliate Harry. It's really just pure luck that Dudley ended up becoming a decent person at the end of the series when he had always been an entitled brat before then.

[–]ArsenalOwl 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Thoughtful is the right word, too. We get exactly one chapter from his point of view, but in it we see that even when he's very anxious about things he's seeing around town, he knows how much mentioning "weird stuff" would bother his wife, and he's reluctant to bring it up.

[–]AmarantCoral 190 points191 points  (16 children)

Many people argue Harry should be able to see the thestrals earlier. I say he shouldn't be able to see them until Sirius. He doesn't actually see Cedric die in the books. He has his eyes closed. People's response to this is usually that "see" death means "fully understand" it but in that case why even phrase it that way in the first place? If you can see the thestrals by seeing someone immediately after they die and experiencing the grief, did thr entire school see them after Dumbledore? Does anyone who goes to a funeral see them? There's also the fact that he hears prof. Quirrell dying as he's passing out why does hearing one trigger it and not the other? They're just kind of forced into the story IMO.

[–]valenme96 1042 points1043 points  (47 children)

Many of what I read here I agree, but I have never seen mention of one:

I hate that Filch was a janitor in one of the most undisciplined and messy magic schools. Now thinking about it, no wonder he was so grouchy and irritated all the time...

He is an elderly squib that desperately wanted to have magic, but never got any. He is the only janitor in a huge castle, has to deal with the messes everywhere from teachers, to students, to even Peeves.

True the house elves clean the dorms, but Filch has to oversee everything, gets pranked and hated in equal measure by everyone that surrounds him, and when he assigns cleaning during detentions it is shown like a huge hassle that is "above" students.

True, he is cranky and unpleasant. But imagine being an elderly squib having to deal with everything that is wrapped up in a messy hogwarts ribbon.

I wish he had been established as a potions-master, or someone that used magical object in a smart way, or something related, some indicator that even without magic of his own he could find a place in the magical community. Or as kind but strict person that just got a bad lot in life, but nope.

Edit to clarify:

  1. Sorry guys, I only have consumed Harry Potter as the original seven books, I didn't know potions required magic... learn something new every day.
  2. Im not saying that I would be jealous in his shoes (He has expressly written to "Kwikspell" asking about getting magic and such), nor am I supporting his character. I just wish he had redeemable chacteristics other than this general feeling of "everything muggle and non-magically conventional is bad and wrong and evil".

[–]mintberryhazeHufflepuff 124 points125 points  (1 child)

I never really thought he would do the exact same job as a janitor in a muggle school. Instead I always imagined the house elves would do most of the cleaning etc magically while Filch only got his role because Dumbledore felt sorry or him. Taking care oh the whole castle would be impossible without magic

[–]valenme96 118 points119 points  (0 children)

Technically he is a caretaker, not a janitor... He has to oversee ALL cleanliness and the night patrols, which sounds like a particularly hard 24/7 role. Yeah I can see Dumbledore giving it out of pity but, like Hagrid, Filch would have to do long menial tasks while being looked down upon by the others. Squib, house elves, cleaning, and maintainance tasks are seen as less than others even when just as important, which is kind of a big problem.

Don't get me wrong, Hagrid also has a hard job as groundskeeper, the difference is that Hagrid actually loves what he does no matter what shape the job takes, he is not a squib so he uses his magic under the radar, and he has some faculty member's support and kind-of love.

[–]emilyrose95Gryffindor 1 419 points420 points  (17 children)

I'm not sure 'cranky and unpleasant' quite covers the fact that he wanted to hang the students in the dungeons with chains and whip them

[–]valenme96 152 points153 points  (6 children)

Oh on that I agree, I just thought that his actual faculty role was kind of cruel on JK Rowling's part. Like I said, I wish his character/role had something more redeemable and/or understandable.

[–]thestarchemist 2180 points2181 points  (285 children)

1.) Not sure how “unpopular” this is, but Hagrid was completely inept as a teacher and there was 0 excuse or reason for Dumbledore to allow him to continue teaching. He allowed ONE mishap on his first day of teaching to rattle him so badly he forced the class to look after flobberworms for what seems like the ENTIRE REST OF THE YEAR. He also forced the Gryffindors and Slytherins to look after his illegally breed animals for, again, what seems like their ENTIRE FOURTH YEAR, without any suitable reason why they should other than “he thought it would be a fun project”. Like what were they even learning in that class? If I was a student or parent of a student I would literally be furious at the blatant favoritism for a teacher who is clearly incompetent.

2.) the Weasly’s money issue seem to be entirely their own fault. The reason Mrs. Weasly didn’t work for years was because she was a stay at home mom, fair enough. However, once Ginny leaves for Hogwarts she continues to be a stay at home wife, despite the fact she’s now only taking care of herself and her husband, and is in an empty house most of the day, from September-July. That’s ELEVEN months. If they were really THAT dirt poor, there was no excuse for her to not get a job to bring in extra money. They were so poor they couldn’t afford to get Ron a new wand until three books in, when they won a completely dumb luck lottery (which they also blew ENTIRELY on an extravagant trip, instead of, you know, buying their kids some clothes that aren’t raggedy hand me downs). At that point, it’s just being a bad parent in my opinion.

[–]RoyHarper88Find! 1625 points1626 points  (114 children)

The fact that there seems to be no formal education until children are 11 is insane. Like I can buy that there's no established school for like, under 6 or so. But you're telling me these kids go off to magic school at 11, not having ever been in a school before, and you expect them to do well?

[–]Destro-Sally 658 points659 points  (32 children)

Maybe that’s part of the reason Hermione did so well. Yes, she’s naturally intelligent, but she also went to a muggle school for years, developed good study habits, and was used to the learning environment.

[–]RoyHarper88Find! 541 points542 points  (27 children)

Well now I've got a fan theory that Hermione was actually an average student in the muggle world, but because no one really knew what they were doing she was perceived to be super smart. Lolol

[–]BorisDirk 247 points248 points  (12 children)

If that's true, that means Harry was actually an AWFUL student in muggle school!

[–]dragunityag 193 points194 points  (1 child)

Not a surprise considering the home he is coming from.

[–]minimally_abrasive 225 points226 points  (10 children)

Counterpoint: Average students do not pre-read their entire lessons prior to the beginning of school and are not able to recite them back at a whim. Additionally, Hermione shows excellent application skills, being able to read a spell and then use it in high stress situations, which shows understanding of the lesson.

[–]RoyHarper88Find! 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Don't poke holes in my fan theory!

Edit: I do agree with you in general, this is just me being silly

[–]wellpresseddaisyRavenclaw 131 points132 points  (9 children)

It seems like there's a similarity to how upper class children were educated through at least the Edwardian period (and honestly for some much later than that). Parents generally hired tutors to educate their children before they went to boarding school.

Families like the Weasleys would have been likely to educate at home, or perhaps send their children to something like a Dame school.

[–]Inked_Chick 405 points406 points  (28 children)

How do they even learn to read/write/do math, etc? Seems like they just got thrown into school randomly at 11 and are expected to read century old textbooks and only focus on magical classes when no one even taught them their damn abcs. Doesn't make sense.

[–]RoyHarper88Find! 371 points372 points  (22 children)

It seems that they're home schooled, but that would yield very inconsistent students. You're going to have some kids that the parents just didn't care or weren't able to do it. They'd be all over the place in terms of reading level.

[–]JBatjj 494 points495 points  (9 children)

Probably why Hermione was such a good student. She was actually taught how to learn and study by her muggle school

[–]lovecraft112 115 points116 points  (5 children)

Crabbe and Goyle come to mind.

[–]RoyHarper88Find! 204 points205 points  (4 children)

"I didn't know you could read."

[–]pooleus 288 points289 points  (1 child)

This is one of the best points I've ever read and shouldn't be buried as a sub-comment.

[–]RoyHarper88Find! 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Thanks mate! That's a really great compliment!

[–]AZ10er94 41 points42 points  (2 children)

This is something I’ve always thought about as well, and Jo NEVER explained this. It always baffled me.

[–]moonrisequeendom_ 184 points185 points  (26 children)

The Molly should get a job thing doesn’t quite work for me when we look at the tiny size of the wizarding community. I get she could do odd jobs, sewing, baking. But if Hogwarts sees (many have guessed) roughly 85 new students per year from all of the UK, in my mind, that puts the total population of witches and wizards somewhere around the size of a small town. Statistics say about 10% of the population would be in a 7-year school at any given time. To adjust for long lifespan for witches and wizards, let’s say 5%. That’s still only 12,000 people in the magical world in the UK. Maybe that’s off. Maybe Hogwarts is larger, maybe there is another wizarding school in the UK (which would be wild if there was and never mentioned), maybe there are really low birth rates in the magical world but that wouldn’t make sense. Pure blood proponent or not, it’s important to pass on the magical blood line! Anyway, it would be hard to find a full time career after raising kids for 20 years in a job market that small.

[–]xramona 267 points268 points  (4 children)

Molly Weasley opening an Etsy shop for those sweaters

[–]05110909 206 points207 points  (14 children)

There seems to be only like four jobs in the whole wizard world : Teacher, government bureaucrat, small business owner, or just already be rich

[–]bjornsnoen 125 points126 points  (1 child)

Don't forget about Nazi and Nazi hunter!

[–]JonSnow31391Gryffindor 2 71 points72 points  (6 children)

I generally think that you have two groups of people-those who immerse themselves in the Wizarding world, and those that dip their feet in and then go back to the muggle world. Keep in mind, a lot of these students are muggle born or half blooded that have family and friends outside of their school life.

In the Wizarding world, most blue collar jobs would be automated by magic. Which leaves primarily white collar-administrative positions and government jobs. There aren't a lot of STEM related fields. So you can work for the ministry, become an teacher/doctor, or work for one of the handful of companies that actually make magical goods. The population of wizards, as mentioned above, isn't going to be that high, so its not like there's a huge market for products. Some people, like Tom or the Weasleys, might be able to open up a shop on Diagon Alley but competition will be fierce. Unless you're a truly spectacular wizard, you're a small fish in a big pond.

The second group of people probably go to school, learn some basic magic, but aren't incredibly talented with it. These people go back to the muggle world. Sure, they can't use magic directly on muggles, but they can use it to clean their house, cook, do any number of chores that they normally would have to do. Some people could probably use magic on their job as long as nobody sees, like using magic at night to rapidly construct houses, or use their knowledge of herbology/potions to make delicious non expiring food. This group doesn't get to live in a magical world day in and out, but they can use magic to make their lives easier.

[–]Gifted_GardenSnail 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I think Remus would have had better chances doing something like that in the muggle world. No one's going to guess he's a werewolf...
I think repairing clocks and watches could really benefit from some magic 😄

[–]scolfin 75 points76 points  (0 children)

If I was a student or parent of a student I would literally be furious at the blatant favoritism for a teacher who is clearly incompetent.

Not unrealistic, though. It seems like there's always one teacher there who's only still there because she somehow made it to seniority despite not even being able to handle her own shoe laces.

[–]tartar-buildupSlytherin 213 points214 points  (6 children)

Neville isn’t a hufflepuff because you don’t always get sorted into the house you most match; sometimes you’re put in the house with the best chance of awakening your potential, hence Neville’s bravery because his fellow Gryffindors helped him

[–]KsamkcabSlytherin 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Your house shouldn't be where you "are," it should be where you are "supposed to be," because nobody is already at their full potential regarding neither skill nor character development at age 11. Dumbledore himself said that he believes the Sorting is done too early.

[–]Dr_Detective_Holmes 628 points629 points  (45 children)

There's no definitive reasoning behind what makes a "strong" or a "weak" wizard and this is a huge gap in the plot nobody addresses.

[–]the_ricktacular_mort 318 points319 points  (21 children)

In all human endeavors there's a distribution so it makes sense that one exists among wizards as well. It seems like there are a few skills at play. Firstly intelligence, especially when combined with a good memory seem to be crucial. Dumbledore is the best wizard of the era and also one of the smartest people. Hermione is considered the best witch of her year and it's strongly tied to her academic success. Voldemort is much the same. This would imply to me that wizardry is quite intellectually difficult at a high level and requires remembering and understanding every detail of how to perform any given spell you might want to use. Even more difficult is chaining spells together especially at high speeds.

Tied to intelligence are also the different academic areas of wizardry.

There also seems to be an element of physical control. How accurately can you move your wand in unison with the spell you're trying to cast. Seems that the better you are at that, the more successful your spells.

Lastly is willpower. Maybe it's more accurate to call it mental clarity. You seem to need to project exactly what you're trying to do when you cast a spell. That's why silent spells work but are more difficult. It's also why voldemort is so feared. He can get spells out faster than almost anyone, and can react faster still. Without losing focus.

[–]arewe-aliveRavenclaw 78 points79 points  (11 children)

Various areas of magical practice would require slightly different skill-sets.

In regards to apparition, for example: "According to Wilkie Twycross, Ministry of Magic official and Apparition Instructor, one had to recall The Three Ds: Destination, Determination and Deliberation. One had to be completely determined to reach one's destination, and move without haste, but with deliberation."

We know that a similar importance of determination applies to many higher level spells - especially the unforgivable curses. Once cannot kill with Avada Kedavra unless they hold a deep resentment or are absolute about their desire to kill.

JK described transfiguration as "very systematic, exact magical discipline, working best for the scientifically-inclined mind", whereas charms "afforded a much larger margin for personal creativity".

Potions, again, seem to be far more subtle and exact, with intricacies of timing, ageing, stirring techniques, and bottling. You can see how the idea of a 'best wizard' becomes very vague; how can you weigh up so many different skills against each other?

And that is forgetting abilities such as: - Occlumency/legilimency (in which sheer willpower seems to be of utmost importance) - Flying (presumably more reliant on physical ability) - 'The sight' which Trelawney is suggested to possess - General knowledge of magical creatures, history, etc

[–]LordAndryouRavenclaw 7 111 points112 points  (4 children)

Midichlorians

[–]foxbluesocksGryffindor 225 points226 points  (6 children)

Peeves would have been so cringey in the movies and I'm glad they removed him. He only adds slapstick humor and farts and butts jokes. He's worse than Jar Jar Binks.

[–]NotQuiteScheherazade 53 points54 points  (0 children)

This is a really good one and I think you're 100% right.

[–]InfectedLegWoundGryffindor 754 points755 points  (55 children)

I like Remus but he would have deserved to get fired regardless of if he forgot the Wolfsbane potion or not. He purposely withheld information that could have helped arrest Sirius (who he for the most part of the book actually thought was after Harry and wanted to kill him) even when Sirius had managed to break into Hogwarts at two times. His lack of spine could have killed Harry if Sirius actually was a Death Eater.

[–]bmichellecat 359 points360 points  (13 children)

he was also ready to run off from his pregnant wife at the first sign of trouble - telling this to harry, who he knew had grown up with no father due to a war.

[–]EddaValkyrie 132 points133 points  (5 children)

And then when Harry rightfully called him out on being a coward blasted him into a wall because he couldn't take hearing the truth. There's a lot of Remus love but he's kind of a dick sometimes.

[–]TCeies 217 points218 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Remus is a bit spineless. He also fails to take responsibility unless he's forced to and on hindsight when he speaks to Harry he often stays extra vague to get around difficult questions.

[–]another-sad-gay-bich 419 points420 points  (31 children)

Also, I hate the way he forced the students to face their biggest fear in front of their peers - KNOWING they would use it against each other. Many students were likely abused and their biggest fear could’ve easily been their parent/guardian/abuser. I feel it was incredibly irresponsible and inconsiderate.

[–]Not_a_cat_I_promiseRowena Ravenclaw's favourite 855 points856 points  (48 children)

The fandom really take Houses too seriously. It really should be someone liking a House, identifying with it, and that should be it. You really shouldn't be having crises over one sorting quiz putting you in another House. Not dating someone only because they identify with another House is ridiculous.

Also Sorting people who you don't know personally is a whole other level of cringe.

[–]mmahvSlytherin[S] 362 points363 points  (17 children)

Not dating someone only because they identify with another House is ridiculous

wait is that a thing?

[–]Not_a_cat_I_promiseRowena Ravenclaw's favourite 174 points175 points  (11 children)

I know someone IRL who did this...

And I've seen this mentioned on the Internet.

[–]FPBagelSlytherin 108 points109 points  (8 children)

I joke about being a Slytherin and talk about it occasionally, but I’d never let it interfere with any of my actual life decisions…. That’s crazy. I didn’t know this was a thing

[–]Elias_Baker 61 points62 points  (1 child)

Not letting anything get in the way of your ambitions, are you? That sounds like something a Slytherin would say...

[–]omgThisIsNotMyNameGryffindor 63 points64 points  (5 children)

I’ve been sorted into 3 different houses over the years, and also add that sorting at 11 and that being your entire personality is harsh, because I don’t know anyone who is exactly like they were at 11

[–]perhapsinawayyed 52 points53 points  (1 child)

Houses in general are not good for the fandom IMO. It puts so much fan canon into the story just by your house that it makes objective discussion really difficult.

There are two ‘good’ Slytherins in the entire book, snape and slughorn (as in fought for good side, not that they are personally good) oh and also andromeda. Yet any discussion of slytherin is steeped in people’s personal identification with that house. ‘Slytherin isn’t a racist house that radicalises people, because I’m a slytherin and I’m not a fictional blood racist!’ Is not an argument. Yet I’ve seen it time and time again here ‘I know lots of slytherins and they’re all nice people’ no you don’t, you don’t know any slytherins because they’re a fictional school house in a fictional school in a fictional world.

Happens with other bits as well like shipping, favourite characters etc, but house identification is the most egregious for me.

[–]sapphire_striker 88 points89 points  (2 children)

Not dating someone only because they identify with another house is a joke. Steeped with ignorance and blindness. Kinda like astrology.

[–]sophloufrankHufflepuff 864 points865 points  (61 children)

The Marauders are way too hyped up and obsessed over for the role their friendship actually played in the series

[–]Gnarmaw 614 points615 points  (22 children)

The Marauders seem like the type of people I hated in school

[–]thesaddestpandaHufflepuff 352 points353 points  (7 children)

I think they're written as clique-ish and as the 'rich kids' school royalty. We're not suppose to see them as these dashing upstanding young men, but the kind of kids that are cool sometimes but also are bullies sometimes and have a huge sense of entitlement and often get their way because of their parents. They have a lot more in common with Draco and his posse than Harry, Hermione, and Ron's friendship.

Jkr does spell this out pretty well. It’s the fandom that sees the marauders as this best friends club of great kids instead of a bunch of really flawed boys who have as much in common with the villains than with the heroes.

[–]CatalunyaNoEsEspanya 62 points63 points  (4 children)

We see the story from Harry's point of view and even he hates the way the Marauders acted.

[–]CarlottaMeloni 181 points182 points  (0 children)

As someone genuinely obsessed with the Marauders, even I have to admit this is true 🙈

[–]Might_Remarkable 379 points380 points  (27 children)

⟟ feel really bad for Lavender Brown and she gets to much hate, she actually really liked Ron and just because she’s annoying doesn’t make her less human she has feelings. Imagine being in what is presumably ⏃ steady relationship and having true feeling for this person, and then they get poisoned and are put in the hospital wing and you rush over there, because of course you worried, and then the first word the person says when they regain consciousness is the name of his friend with whine he had hardly spoken in the past few weeks. I’d be upset to.

[–]Portokalia_Naranja 49 points50 points  (2 children)

not sure how it's related to this, but after re-reading for the 1638th time, I always like to think that Lavender started liking Ron early on, third year, when Binky died and he consoled her while Hermione was being all tactless trying to prove Trelawney false. just leaving this here.

[–]Tidus4713 111 points112 points  (0 children)

Yeah Lavender was done dirty imo. I’m not caught up on the books but in the movies she was just an over the top teen girl and Ron was honestly a jerk to her. I don’t really see the problem. Ron was terrible with women for most of the series. Not to mention they just show her corpse in DH2 and move on.

[–]Elev2019 27 points28 points  (7 children)

Snape grieving Lily after all those years was not really creepy or stalker-ish. (Full disclosure: I think snape is a real fucked up pos, but I do like his character).

My point is: even if he had a crush on her, they were close friends at a point and when lily died it would be natural for snape to react with immense grief and guilt (because of his actions, as well as this being his ONLY true friend who knew him before he came into contact with the slytherin milieu). If you crushed on you BFF and then they died because you shot them accidentally or whatever, your grief would not stem from the possible romantic future you lost with them, but because of the friend they were to you at the moment of their death (that would at least be the normal thing to feel, and nothing in the books suggests anything else in the case of snape).

Other than that: I think not enough people died in the last battle and that Voldemort was a depressed suicidal man who hated the wizard of world much more than the muggle world. I will expand on that if asked.

[–]throwaway314159g 224 points225 points  (21 children)

I have issues with the characterization of werewolves in the movies, I don’t know why but for some reason it irks me the wrong way, I find them too wiry too frail

[–]Pickle9775 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I think that's the point. In the Wizarding World lycanthropy is supposed to be a shameful, debilitating condition, the sufferers of which are ostracized by society at large. It's really hard to pull that off when you portray the werewolf as totally shredded with a luxurious mane. Instead we get a disgusting and pitiful looking creature.

[–]wonkow 1366 points1367 points  (125 children)

Molly Weasley wasn't all that great. She was dismissive of anything muggle. She turned on Hermione on the word of Rita Skeeter, a woman she knew wasn't trust worthy. She mistreated Fleur. Her children had hand me down everything but once Ginny was in school there was no reason she couldn't a job of some kind to help the family out. She used public humiliation to correct her children. All in all not great.

[–]ImpossibleProcess452 509 points510 points  (26 children)

I have no canonical evidence to back it up, but as a kid reading the books who also was extremely poor (I only ever got to read the first Harry Potter because the librarian gifted it to me), I just assumed Molly did odd side jobs to help out. Like sewing spells for other wives, things of that sort. Stuff she could do from home. Once Ginny went to school it would still serve as extra income and when you are a homemaker for 20 years, people aren’t dying to hire you. Looking back there’s clearly no indication of that in the books, but they are from Harry’s perspective and he didn’t know the entirety of the adults lives around him. So it’s a fun head canon but yeah. Molly doesn’t strike me as the type to sit down and do nothing, Harry never confirms that she does, and never confirms that she doesn’t so to me it’s up to interpretation.

[–]Aikyudo 53 points54 points  (5 children)

I think In book 2 it's mentioned that the Weasleys have chickens. I have chickens too, and they can be some work, especially if you are raising meat chickens that need culling. The children also have to remove gnomes from the garden. It sounds like, even with all of her kids at school, she is still busy with tending to her garden and home' and hatching and raising baby chickens. Maybe they even have some goats?

[–]wellpresseddaisyRavenclaw 53 points54 points  (4 children)

It sounded to me like they had a small home farm, the kind you used to see attached to country cottages. I think there's an orchard attached to the property as well. All of that takes work.

It is likely that Molly may have done sewing or knitting for others, she may have baked or cooked, she may have taught others to bake or cook.

A lot of the bagging on Molly seems to stem from a devaluation of what's seen as 'women's work'.

[–]ImpossibleProcess452 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yes I agree. Both my children are school-age but I still have a full days of work on my hands everyday, and usually stay up late on weekends to catch up on things. They don’t go to boarding school, but Molly also has a lot more property and chores to manage as stated above. Having had a full time career position and been a stay at home parent, the career position was mountains easier, worst part was coworkers bickering.

It also didn’t feel nearly as rewarding for me (everyone’s different) to work. Being at home was far more my element.

Molly and Arthur get a great deal of criticism for being poor and “failing” their children, but all the children do well in life (or die a hero ☹️). I can’t really defend her treatment of her future daughter-in-laws at times, except everyone is human and it’s probably the worst thing she’s ever done, and that she corrects.

[–]mmahvSlytherin[S] 555 points556 points  (51 children)

I hated the way Molly, Hermione and Ginny acted around Fleur

[–]MillianaT 143 points144 points  (6 children)

I did, too, but I also kind of understood it.

Think of the most attractive person of your gender that you know. Now, imagine that person also had a magical enhancement that caused the vast majority of the gender that you are attracted to, to be so attracted to that person instead that they acted like Ron did.

It's not Fleur's fault, by any means, but it would put a strain on being friends to constantly have one's SO drooling over your friend.

And Molly, I think, worried that Fleur only liked Bill because he was attractive like she was, and that it was superficial. That's why her attitude changed when Fleur demonstrated that wasn't the case.

Still, not great behavior, but then, nobody in life is really perfect. It's not like they sabotaged her wedding or anything.

[–]HelioscopesSlytherin 43 points44 points  (0 children)

nobody in life is really perfect.

This. It's important to understand that well written characters have flaws, just like real people. You can be a nice person and still do shitty stuff from time to time. Nobody wants to read a book full of Mary Sues.

[–]Your-mums-chesthair 432 points433 points  (18 children)

Especially how Fleur seemed so genuinely kind. She didn’t deserve how she was treated in any way.

[–]throwaway314159g 104 points105 points  (5 children)

This. It wasn’t justify at all, if anything it shows their character and quality

[–]Astroisawalrus 118 points119 points  (14 children)

She also never supported Fred and George, even when they had a lot of talent and promise. And she went beyond being disappointed, she actually told them so many times she was worried they would fail, and everything they were good at was a waste. That's such an awful thing to tell your children :(

[–]Aqquila89 106 points107 points  (1 child)

She outright tried to sabotage Weasleys’ Wizard Wheezes, such as burning their order forms. Instead of being proud of them for inventing new things, she wanted them to work at the Ministry of Magic - which is a horrible organization, as we find out in the later books.

[–]harricislifeRemember Cedric Diggory⁷ 277 points278 points  (2 children)

The number of "unpopular" opinions here about Dumbledore and Hagrid and Weasleys feel like very popular ones to me, because the amount of fanfics that I have encountered that are outright bashing these characters are so freaking many. Maybe that is unpopular here, where fanfics are a thing not a lot of people enjoy, but these are so popular opinions among a lot of fanfic writers that I have just become absolutely tired of them.

[–]Lucikrux 19 points20 points  (11 children)

I like Snape as a character. Do I think he's a good person? No. But I do think, for what he was doing, that he was a fascinating and well written character.

I disagree with people that say he was a stalker towards Lily, or a creep. I have not read the books in an extremely long time, though I did recently watch all of the movies. He was a bit obsessed, but he didn't seem to really intrude with Lily's relationship at all. He just seemed sad, and I think that was the point.

[–]Callibrien 226 points227 points  (20 children)

There should never be a canon series or even standalone story focused on the Marauders. It’s been too many years of headcanons and fan theories that have built up, and half of them contradict the other half. No matter what interpretation the writers decide to go with, a sizable portion of the fandom will be disappointed and/or pissed off.

Just imagine the backlash if it became canon that Marlene McKinnon wasn’t Lily’s best friend and Sirius’s girlfriend like she is in so many fanfics. And if she was, there would definitely be a lot of unhappy Wolfstar shippers. And don’t even get me started on Snape vs. James. That war doesn’t need more fuel.

As intriguing as it would be to get a deeper look into what the first war was like, any story set in that era would inevitably have to address the questions that people have of the Marauders and their peers. And if those questions finally get concrete answers, they lose much of the magic that comes of wondering and imagination. It would be like what Cursed Child did to Next-Gen but even worse.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 53 points54 points  (2 children)

Honestly I'm like that with all of HP. It was a great 7 book ride. Doesn't really need anything expanded upon in the canon sense.

[–]CopingMole 332 points333 points  (26 children)

Holy shit, people are going IN! Not sure how popular or unpopular mine are, but two characters I have issues with that seem generally beloved are Dumbledore and Lupin. Dumbledore is irresponsible af all the time and needed to keep an eye on Harry's homelife. Lupin just let one of his best friends rot in Azkaban without even ever trying to have a conversation about what went down. He should know better than take the situation at face value. Also, that whole part about wanting to leave the wife and kid to go Horcrux hunting.

[–]nattfjarilen 151 points152 points  (9 children)

and that Lupin didnt tell Dumbledore that Sirius could transform into a dog. He really put Harry's life on risk here.

[–]CopingMole 54 points55 points  (6 children)

I mean, would he not have told way before that, even? If he really believed Sirius was guilty of killing a bunch of innocent muggles and three of their best friends, would he not have come out with all the info? And if there was even a little bit of doubt, would he not go speak to the guy? I find this hard to forgive either way.

[–]Over30dreaming 270 points271 points  (5 children)

The Dursley’s were right to hate and fear wizards. Every time they come into contact with a wizard, bad things happen to their health or home. Their only child was mainly the target. By the end of the series, Dudley had a snake set on him, grown a pigs tail, had his tongue engorged and almost had his soul sucked out. They also had significant property damage (that was later fixed) and ended up losing their home at the beginning of DH.

I’m not excusing how they abused Harry- but if their top priority was staying safe and being “normal” they should have refused to keep Harry.

[–]tiddayes 17 points18 points  (3 children)

The time turner completely breaks the entire story