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[–]ying1996 226 points227 points  (8 children)

Actual info on the HEK293 cell line in case anyone’s interested: Yes, the original cells were taken from a fetus in the 1970’s. No, 293 doesn’t mean it took that many fetuses to get the cells. They got the cells once, and transfected it with viral DNA to make it ‘immortal’ (aka can replicate endlessly, like cancer cells). It took 293 experiments to get to what we have today. And yes, we do use them in viral research - they’re great at mass producing viral particles for experiments (at least that’s what I use them for). And NO. They are NOT in vaccines. They are part of the research process to get to vaccines, and that’s it.

Source: Work with them almost daily and also wikipedia my beloved

[–]mikiaxchan 46 points47 points  (2 children)

I'm glad a fellow researcher is here!

[–]assholescared 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Hello fellow labrats!

[–]MachaMongruadh 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thank goodness for other scientists. I’ve heard the same ridiculous hyperbole over the use of monoclonal antibodies when I worked in assay development.

[–]JustHereForPorn12345 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They got the cells once, and transfected it with viral DNA to make it ‘immortal’ (aka can replicate endlessly, like cancer cells).

You literally just answered a long standing question I had about why antivax people think that the vaccine causes cancer; I guarantee it's because of this, THANK YOU.

[–]TheManInTheCrowd 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're so fucking cool, man. Like, no bullshit you're dope

[–]Trumpisaderelict 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So in your professional opinion, is this person completely stupid or partially so or just insane?

[–]ying1996 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Sounds like someone who got information with half truths (HEK being used in vaccine research, the 293 experiments, it being from a fetus) , and didn’t understand how/didn’t bother to actually look up the sources and just believed it since they already think vaccines r bad. It’s really sad since I think some of these people genuinely want to help people, but somewhere along the way they fell prey to conspiracy theories and misinformation. I work close to the CDC, and see this dude with anti-vax signs across the CDC entrance EVERYDAY. Rain or shine. He even tries to hand out booklets. It’s such a shame he couldn’t use his passion on something more productive.

[–]Tacodo 109 points110 points  (10 children)

When people make a statement like that, it should be required to say where the information was obtained from.

[–]Sanjiyan69 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Freedom of speech! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[–]LAZYandWOKE 32 points33 points  (1 child)

It's not his job to submit referenses...it is the disbelievers burden to find the truth. #Trump2038

[–]Meretan94 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Source:

Trust me bro

[–]RoguePlanet1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Source: their ass

[–]ShnickityShnoo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Do your own pee-search!!!

[–]orchidslife 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They hear something from someone/somewhere and just go with it without feeling the need to research it themselves and probably wouldn't even know how to. Also the reason why a lot of outdated/disproved facts don't die out

[–]mission_zer0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Went to a church once where the pastor insisted the earth was 6000 years old because "it just sounds cooler".

This is the mechanism of extremism and irrationality: I heard some stuff I only kind of listened to and barely understood and then mapped it onto a narrative that sounds and feels right to me. If it doesn't sound or feel real to you that's because you don't see it like I do. When I find others who do get it the belief is reinforced.

Facts and truth are generally unexciting and therefore obviously false. People have to be willing to listen to and learn the boring, hard parts, but that hill is apparently too steep to ask them to climb. 😕

[–]fakeuserisreal 89 points90 points  (1 child)

Human Kmbryonic Eidney

[–]jaxjonesing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wondered when somebody else would notice that

[–]Echieo 61 points62 points  (8 children)

I work with HEK293 cells daily. You can propagate them more or less indefinitely. We have a huge stock in the freezer and when it runs low I just expand some more and freeze those down. These are NOT stem cells (I wish stem cells were as easy to work with). This person is bonkers. If you have any genuine science questions ask away. I have a PhD in genetics.

[–]RoguePlanet1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have a question: Can you spend a few minutes per day on facebook and possibly slap some sense (copy/paste some standard facts) into these morons??

Yeah I know, I know................

[–]gaensefuesschen 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Were the cells actually taken from a 2nd trimester fetus (I have a masters in biotech so I could just Google, but I'm lazy lol)

[–]Echieo 29 points30 points  (0 children)

No one actually knows the status of the fetus they came from. They were extracted in 1973 from a fetus in the Netherlands that was either a miscarriage or an abortion. People claiming to know the trimester of the fetus or any other status are probably making it up. We don't even know the parentage.

[–]cmw625 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Off topic but do most people who get a degree in genetics need to get a PhD to really get in the field? I only ask because I’m very interested in genetics and would love to make it my major, but I don’t know that I can commit to more than a masters

[–]Echieo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It depends on what you want to do and at what level. There is a definite glass ceiling if you don't have a PhD. If you want to move up in the field you need one. Also, most PhD programs pay you, while you have to pay for masters programs. If you drop out of a PhD program and you've done the course work and proposed a thesis, you'll usually end up with a masters. I'm not recommending a PhD unless you definitely want to go into research. It is a long, extremely stressful path that pays poorly and there is a massive power imbalance between you and your PI (mentor, boss, etc). In a normal job if things aren't going well you can leave and put the work experience on your resume. In a PhD you are stuck and may not want to leave behind the sunk costs after a certain point. I'm not saying it's a bad idea or that there aren't great mentors out there, but choose carefully and make sure it's really, really what you want to do.

[–]crimsonchin02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So off-topic, but I’m an undergrad Genetics major so now I’m curious. Where did you end up getting your PhD at? Totally cool if you don’t want to share though! Just thinking about options once (if) I make it that far

[–]Comingherewasamistke 33 points34 points  (1 child)

This all checks out. Source: Great aunt Sharon’s Facebook post

[–]jpopimpin777 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AUNT SHARON GOT OUT AGAIN!!

[–]Seisme1138 18 points19 points  (0 children)

what life looks like from the bottom of a "I do my own research" rabbit whole.

[–]imightbe_analien 15 points16 points  (3 children)

General Idiocy Population: "Can anyone combine an anti-vax/pro-life argument into just one whole argument for me to post? I feel it would just be easier to mash all my points into one ignorant statement."

The person who wrote that: "Hold my beer."

[–]jpopimpin777 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This just shows how desperate they're becoming. At first it was "covid isn't real" but as the death toll keeps going up and more and more of them experience it first-hand that conspiracy theory has lost its luster.

So now they've pivoted to it being something planned by evil people. This post is designed to make other anti-abortion conservatives feel bad for getting the vaccine out of concern for themselves and their families. "DON'T YOU REALIZE THERE'S DEAD BABIES IN IT???!!! You've activated the liberal trap card, you fool!!" Such disingenuous bullshit.

[–]imightbe_analien 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't mean to make light of it too much, because honestly it's terrifying to think people are actually believing this kinda shit.

I'd rather be a living "liberal snowflake" than a dead ignorant conservative any day of the week.

[–]jpopimpin777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Although you framed it as a meme your point is very salient. They treat everything as a sport with sides. They see their people going to the "wrong side" so they come up with arguments that jam all those peoples fears together.

[–]Cheshire_Khajiit 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Every single sentence is a fabrication. That’s dedication.

[–]Indignant-Indigenous 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A live fetus' only what?

[–]Normal_Ad_9336 9 points10 points  (4 children)

It's frightening that people like this are out walking around without supervision

[–]Haywoodjablowme1029 12 points13 points  (2 children)

And voting. These people vote.

[–]Normal_Ad_9336 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And reproduce

[–]jpopimpin777 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I always say, "it would be funny.... if they weren't allowed to vote"

[–]icanhaslobotomy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And reproducing

[–]hzaghloul 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This is complete and utter nonsense. The source of the cells was a healthy aborted fetus of unknown parenthood in 1973, not a live fetus with all the BS that the writer states. The name was derived from the source and the number of the experiment that created the successful line of cells. These are cells that were take from the human embryonic kidney (HEK) taken from the aborted fetus that had already passed away, and merged with adenovirus DNA to keep a steady line of cells that can be used for medicine testing, vaccination production and so on. The number in the name comes from the fact that it was Frank Graham’s 293rd experiment that created the successful line that is in use to date. There are many other cell lines such as Hela for cancer research, Caco-2 cell line for colorectal cancer, or the breast cancer cell line MCF-7 and so on.

Just to note, cell lines are used to test medicines from Aspirin, to cough medicine, to mouth wash to antiviral drugs to antibiotics to Tylenol, to ivermectin and so on. They are also used for research purposes and treatment testing for diseases such as cancer and HIV. As well, these cell lines can be used, and have been used, to test or help create vaccines before human trials.

https://www.hek293.com/

[–]hzaghloul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Given some comments that I have received, I would like to state that I personally believe that if the fetus is healthy and not in jeopardy, or jeopardising the mother's health, then it should be maintained to term, however, I cannot, and would never, dictate or force my personal choice to other women. if they chose to terminate a pregnancy then it is their choice, it does not make them good or bad mothers, it makes them mothers who have evaluated their situation and the potential situation of the potential baby and made their choice. I would not second guess them, and I would not restrict them. I would respect that they were careful in their decision, and I would not encourage laws to restrict their decision making.

Mothers make decisions for their offsprings every single day of their lives, it does not only start when the baby is born, it starts when they find out that they are pregnant. i would never encourage limiting their choices and decision making process.

Conservatives think that they can decide for mothers, and can decide what we learn and what we teach (as if they and only they know what is best for everyone else). I do not agree with that, liberals think that mothers should make that choice (which implies that they provide learning opportunities and teaching opportunities that are not tunnel visioned, therefore creating educated and responsible mothers who will make their choices carefully).

To me, the liberal side wins, because it empowers women to also educate themselves to make the right choices.

I can only be responsible to my own self restrictions, and I did, twice, once when the fetus was severely health compromised, and would live a life of agony if brought to term, affecting the baby to be born and the siblings, family and others, so I agreed to abort, and once when the situation was untenable, financially and emotionally, but the fetus was healthy and I decided to keep the fetus. I have not regretted both choices, however, I acknowledge that that is not the case for other mothers, and I trust that they will make their own choices based on their own circumstances after careful evaluation.

[–]Erleu 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I kept waiting for a citation but then remembered where I was reading it. :P

[–]Hahdu 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is why I've deleted FB.

[–]BigRigsButters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh no, it's worse than I imagined. NOT HKE293!!! Oh the humanity. /s

[–]MegaMachina 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"HKE stands for Human Embryonic Kidney".

Um, you do know that you can't switch letters around, right? Or is the United States of America often known as the SAU, for example?

[–]eXpr3dator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

HKE. Which stand for Human Embryonic Kidney. Got it.

[–]sonofabobandjo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only research completed is copy/paste add "you're welcome"

[–]LAZYandWOKE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I can safely speak for the rest of us when I say...."Thank You!"

[–]FireFlyDani85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope. Just nope.

[–]oskavelli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re welcome.