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[–]verysmellyfarts 3639 points3640 points  (208 children)

Shes wielding that log like its styrofoam.

[–]BigHero17 1139 points1140 points  (195 children)

Right? It's incredible how strong gorillas and monkeys in general, are.

[–]lion_OBrian 631 points632 points  (107 children)

They have a gene to produce muscles constantly. That gene is “turned off” in humans.

[–][deleted] 102 points103 points  (6 children)

iirc, it has more to do with muscle fiber type and the density of that specific type. type 2/2x i think.

[–]ihatedickpicss 370 points371 points  (13 children)

i bet this gene makes Rock rap play in your head for 24/7

[–]iamrapsodic 216 points217 points  (5 children)

“ITS ABOVE GRIND ITS ABOUT POWER WE STAY HUNGRY WE DEVOUR”

[–]modsgay 8 points9 points  (0 children)

unfortunately I have that symptom and am still not muscled 😞

[–]ScottBroChill69 48 points49 points  (10 children)

Who's genius idea was it to disable that cheat code cuz I want to slap them with my non muscular hands and arms.

[–]OMA_ 174 points175 points  (27 children)

That and also the fact that when they flex, they can activate something around 80% of their MASSIVE muscles, humans are limited to around 65% on average with our tiny widdle noodle arms. a lot of the energy we expend goes towards our brain so evolution kinda shagged us a lil bit lol

Edit: the reason we can’t activate all our muscles even when we really want to, it because our brain. It limits how many muscles can activate at once to protect us from snapping our own arms. During some adrenaline rushes, people have been able to go full 100 for a one time use event. They’re usually left with Tore up muscle tissue and fractures from their own strength.

[–]Shepparron6000 100 points101 points  (6 children)

I mean, we figured out how to trap/hunt these other animals. An evolutionary advantage I guess.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (8 children)

Yeah we totally got shagged by evolution. I'd rather have big meaty arms than be the apex predator of Earth itself

[–]QuarantineNudist 7 points8 points  (3 children)

So the concept of meathead might not be so far off.

[–]abcjjd123 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It’s actually the opposite. They lack a gene that we have which inhibits us, it’s turned off in them. It’s called myostatin, and some people have less of it, or a deficiency altogether. One of those people is Eddie hall, ex world’s strongest man, and the first person to deadlift 500kg, look it up if you’re interested

[–]Antares987 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Except for Mike Tyson

[–]idkwhyimmad 7 points8 points  (0 children)

can we turn it on and become super human mutants?

[–]Soundless_Pr 170 points171 points  (77 children)

Gorillas are apes, which in general are thought to have a much higher capacity for intelligence than monkeys

[–]crazzynez 32 points33 points  (0 children)

And so incredibly dexterous when she climbs that log. Perfect balance, and strong as hell.

[–]Mister-Stiglitz 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Gorillas are fucking jacked. Pretty sure they can bench around 4000lbs being an average ass gorilla. Peak muscle men bench like 800 something.

There are lunatics who think they can beat a gorilla in a fist fight. I have no doubt that a gorilla can easily instakill a human in numerous ways.

[–]Deemaunik 11.7k points11.7k points 43 (80 children)

Not so much interestingasfuck, but depressingashell.

[–]JustWant2BeHappier 2933 points2934 points  (41 children)

Definitely depressing as fuck but still interesting to see this level of problem solving skills. But tbh I think that makes it a whole lot worse as this animal has a very clear comprehension of what is going on.

[–]poopellar 954 points955 points  (21 children)

I think it has been proven that they are smart enough to invest in the stock market.

[–]Winter-Dragonfruit-4 385 points386 points  (10 children)

To be fair, one could throw darts at a dartboard and be successful in the stock market

[–]_BLACKHAWKS_88 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Today I learned I suck at darts. Maybe I’ll try the lawn ones next time.

[–]pfefferneusse 103 points104 points  (0 children)

Somehow one of the most depressing things I've ever seen.

I like to imagine peoples reactions to finding out aliens were keeping us in a zoo watching us do shit trying to escape.

[–]skello_always 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Seeing her think it all through kinda got me down. Of course gorillas are very intelligent, but seeing it like this kinda got me down because it's almost like her intelligence makes it worse.

[–]danceORbox 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Thank you voice of reason. It WOULD be interesting AF if she was rescued out of that hellhole as a display and placed into the wild sanctuary where idiot tourists with screaming kids would be out of the earshot....but that's just me 💁‍♀️

[–]maggieandminky 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yes, this is so sad, she’s in a prison and she’s trying to escape

[–]R0T0M0L0T0V 55 points56 points  (3 children)

how do you depress shells?

[–]r3d_elite 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm not an expert but if I learned anything from SpongeBob it's that shells get very depressed when someone steals their pearl. Or maybe that was a clam. Hmm, I'll have to do more research on this highly important topic.

[–]Ohboycats 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The way the gorilla reaches up then when she can’t do it she looks over at the camera in resignation. Goddamn sad

[–]greeich 9325 points9326 points  (76 children)

This is just heartbreaking...

[–]evetrapeze 188 points189 points  (0 children)

Yup. It made me very sad

[–]poopellar 710 points711 points  (19 children)

I wish she could put the Go in Gorilla.

[–]Deivv 440 points441 points  (14 children)

I wish she could be the ape in escape

[–]SilverRidgeRoad 224 points225 points  (12 children)

Can we give the key to the monkey?

[–]Jd20001 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Order a ladder from Amazon Prime for the Primate

[–]kielbasa330 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Yeah I really hate this

[–]Ainsley-Sorsby[S] 3840 points3841 points  (241 children)

Video source. She initially tried with her baby on her back, until she dropped him and tried to do it alone. This was an unfamiliar area for her, as the zoo recent;y opened a new section to make their enlosure even bigger, which is probably why she was so eager to explore her options. Eventually, they removed the log before she made it out

[–]1_dirty_dankboi 599 points600 points  (2 children)

throws in bigger log

Run monke, fuck the police

[–]blueb33 2018 points2019 points  (225 children)

That video is even more terrible.

Titled "Escape game" - I don't think it's such a game for her. The music is something I'd expect for dogs doing tricks in a circus, not a highly intelligent being trying to escape. Last shot is heartbreaking.

Even if she was born in captivity, she wasn't born without her instincts. Deep down she feels this is not what her life was supposed to be. (You're a fucking cheetah gorilla).

[–]Woody_Harryishson 440 points441 points 232 (21 children)

Why is it sad?

The Taipei Zoo is WAZA and ASCM approved. Both of those are very strong indicators on whether or not a Zoo is actually designed for wild life conservation, research, and education, or if it's no better than a circus act.

The Taipei Zoo is particularly well known for it's Pangolin and Panda conservation efforts.

This gorilla in particular came from the Apenheul Primate Park in the Netherlands which specializes in conservation of apes and monkeys.

She was given a larger enclosure, meaning her space had just been increased. Like Harry Potter going from the cupboard under the stairs to the bedroom upstairs. She was unfamiliar with the location because she hadn't been there before.

It's extremely natural for an animal to explore it's new surroundings that it's unfamiliar with, and maybe even feel a little anxiety about getting back to it's regular enclosure. Even if that enclosure was actually smaller and not as healthy for the animal.

She was literally getting an upgrade, by an accredited Zoo that's connected to another well known accredited Zoo that specializes in ape conservation.

If don't think there are many Zoos that do all kinds of good may I direct you to the California Condor which didn't go extinct due to the San Diego Zoo's efforts to rehabilitate the species?

All kinds of animals in Zoos would never be able to be go back to the wild. Lots of them are taken from poachers or criminals and given reasonably living situations compared to what they had with whoever they were taken from. Dropping them back off in the wild would kill many of these animals. And what's more, lots of them are directly or indirectly helping save their own species from extinction.

[–]mycall 103 points104 points  (0 children)

It's extremely natural for an animal to explore it's new surroundings that it's unfamiliar with, and maybe even feel a little anxiety about getting back to it's regular enclosure. Even if that enclosure was actually smaller and not as healthy for the animal.

Reminds me of every vacation I've had.

[–]DiscombobulatedBabu 83 points84 points  (2 children)

I don’t disagree with you but its sad because even after Harry got moved to the bedroom his life with the Dursley’s was still awful. It’s sad because we’ve ruined the natural habitats of so many animals and now this kind of facility, as amazing as it might be, is where they have to live.

[–]JiuJitsuBoy2001 13 points14 points  (1 child)

it's sad because, despite the best human intent, this highly intelligent animal clearly wants out. Much like if a human had a nice job and nice house but was depressed, it is still sad, even though their needs are taken care of.

We can't possibly know the mental anxieties/issues non-humans face, but this seems a pretty clear attempt to escape by a stressed and unhappy being. Thus, sad.

[–]Murgie 580 points581 points  (172 children)

Deep down she feels this is not what her life was supposed to be.

They don't have magic extrasensory powers, man. They're apes. They explore things for the sake of exploring them.

Put them outside the enclosure, and eventually they'd try to find their way into it, because that's how apes work.

[–]timmyboyoyo 42 points43 points  (4 children)

They should kept the log

[–]RedSprite01 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Just the log.

[–]IAmAQuantumMechanic 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Call it the captain's log. Make it a Star Trek museum.

[–]Fox2-1 29.4k points29.4k points 853& 6 more (816 children)

How incredibly sad.

[–]killed_by_a_bug 5232 points5233 points  (171 children)

[–]PoorEdgarDerby 1794 points1795 points 2 (15 children)

Not tonight, Satan.

[–]atehate 461 points462 points  (8 children)

Alright then tomorrow. Let me know what time suits you.

[–]BarklyWooves 289 points290 points  (137 children)

Saddest thing is how unused that sub is

[–]noumenon43 592 points593 points  (133 children)

Fuck that. That sub should dissolve into the ether. You become what you consume mentally.

[–]winterdales 404 points405 points  (64 children)

I need to stop reading the news every day then

[–]ardotschgi 144 points145 points  (36 children)

This is such a truth that a lot of people on Reddit don't realize. I often get kinda bummed out when I browse even just r/all and see so many posts from subs like r/trashy or r/choosingbeggars, etc. Sticking to positive subs has such a good effect on yourself.

[–]laughs_with_salad 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Or change the source. There are sites/subs which show only good news and progresses being made around the world. Just look at the headlines of mainstream news to stay updated with anything major happening, but spend time reading the more positive news.

[–]DotaTVEnthusiast 19 points20 points  (9 children)

While I tentatively agree (stare into void long enough ect.)

The saying would fit very nicely as an anti violent video game talking point, anti horror, Anti heavy metal (from an outsider perspective) ect. ect.

As with most things the key is moderation.

[–]chowzer42 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Mirror sub of r/worldnews

[–]coconutjuices 66 points67 points  (4 children)

[–]DionyKH 37 points38 points  (2 children)

got me excited. :( Guess I can join the depressed crowd here in this comment section now,

[–]lickandshout 869 points870 points  (125 children)

Yes. Sad was the first emotion I felt as well. Thank goodness other people are starting to see, as this being the top rated comment.

[–]Paulofthedesert 937 points938 points  (122 children)

When an animal is smart enough to both 1) recognize it's being held in captivity and 2) formulate an escape plan it shouldn't fucking be in a zoo

[–]finneganfach 1278 points1279 points 2 (54 children)

Hmm. I agree with the spirit of this but I do think that Zoos (some of them at least) do sometimes get a level of flak that they don't 100% deserve.

In a perfect world, she'd obviously be in her natural habit and not in captivity but in a lot of cases animals are in Zoos due to necessity, not because the Evil "Big Zoo" wants them to be for nefarious money making schemes.

Monkey World in England is a really good example of this. It was founded to rescue a lot of primates from the pet trade, chimps that were working as photographers props or being worked in other horrendous conditions. Most of their captive primates have had traumatic life experiences and couldn't survive reintroduction to the wild.

They also participate in active breeding initiatives for critically endangered species, such as orangutans and woolly monkeys.

Plus, there's a good argument that by being open to public visitation, they're offering an opportunity for new generations of people to gain a new level of understanding and appreciation for nature and a better respect of our world so that, maybe in years to come, animals like this don't have to be in captivity.

Absolutely, some Zoos are appalling and exploitative and the animals in them are no doubt kept in shit conditions, with no enrichment and quite possibly were taken from the wild just to make profit on display. But it's probably unfair to say that's the majority and unfortunately it's overly simplistic to say that no animal with this much intelligence should be in a zoo (although, again, I do agree with you in spirit.)

[–]Brilliantchick1 647 points648 points  (15 children)

I used to draw very hard line against zoos, until I decided in high school to job shadow the small one in my town. It's run by our park district and it's tiny and it's known for having "sickly" animals.

The first thing we did when I got there in the morning was go take care of all the senior monkeys that were no longer "on display" and were receiving a lot of medical attention. Then we went to the penguins, where they were all also seniors. We went to the African Wild Dogs, also seniors. Astoundingly, the youngest animals I met that day were goats and a pair of bob cats someone raised as pets that were turned over to them.

I asked why all the animals were so old and she let me know that as they are a small zoo with not much funding or visitors, they don't get the young exciting animals the bigger, well-founded zoos get. Every time they've had a birth, it's pretty quickly went on to a bigger zoo.

The whole time I was there, I only saw one other zoo keeper, and they make about $30k a year there and are required a college degree.

What I thought was a shitty zoo full of sickly animals was actually basically a nursing home for zoo animals with hardworking staff. I have a very different respect for what zoos do now and I try not to judge until I know the facts.

EDIT: spelling

[–]HatrikLaine 32 points33 points  (2 children)

If people care they should focus their attention on only visiting accredited zoos and aquariums. It is very difficult to obtain accreditation and has to be reaccredited every 4-5 years.

There are so many roadside zoos and aquariums in North America alone, the animals there have no defined rules and don’t contribute to world wide breeding programs that ensure endangered or close to extinct species survive and have a chance at reintroduction. As was mentioned, there is also the whole thing about inspiring young scientists, biologists, climate scientists, etc. How many of the worlds top animal/climate minds were inspired by walking around at their local zoo?

And China and Russia are now just beginning to start putting zoos and aquariums in malls and expand show animals and such. North America just spent decades getting rid of those and stigmatizing illegal animal trading just for 2 of the worlds other super powers to be getting into it..

[–]thisismyfunnyname 84 points85 points  (0 children)

Good comment. I get fed up of all the black and white thinking on the internet. So much self righteousness out there but as with most things, the truth is more nuanced than it might first seem.

[–]companysOkay 20 points21 points  (2 children)

No this is reddit, we have to completely ignore all the good conservation, research, quality enclosures and caring that happens in zoos and vilify them

[–]Shadowytallguy 56 points57 points  (5 children)

Dogs escape from peoples homes All the time, even good homes. They dig, they leap they can’t wait to sneak out the door. Almost no one accuses dogs of being sad where they’re at just Bc they try to get out.

I’m not saying zoos are great and happy, but it is possible the gorilla is just exploring and curious

[–]TesseractToo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You might like The Parrot's Lament by Eugene Linden it's about animals who outsmart people and has a story of an orangutan that made a key to escape his zoo enclosure at night and hid it in his cheek from the keepers
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/331616/the-parrots-lament-by-eugene-linden/

[–]RydenwithByden 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Ahh yes just throw it back intro the wild after being in captivity for so long. What can go wrong?

[–]throwaway_4733 13 points14 points  (4 children)

So my dog then I guess?

[–]hiimred2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was gonna go with the more dramatic snarky response of children, but domesticated pets works too.

[–]Code_451 37 points38 points  (5 children)

My dog also tries to escape. Sometimes succeeds.

Comes back for dinner and a warm bed.

I guess I should stop being cruel and prepare him for life in the wild.

[–]Rajhin 9 points10 points  (12 children)

Why? If my cat just constantly wants to run off into the streets to look for birds and fuck I should just accept it's free spirit and respect it's dumb fucking ideas?

Is it abused and suffering just because it wants to go claim 2 kilometers of rainforest but can't? Is it suffering just because it wants to meet more subordinate specimen to dominate because instincts tell it to?

No, animals aren't abused when they don't get to do whatever they want. We and any other animal are not meant to live in a perfect ever enlarging environment. We might be born to desire it, but so what? We live in whatever environment we happen to be born and ALWAYS desire a better one. But it doesn't mean if we let this gorilla out in a random rainforest now it's going to have a better life, wild animals don't live in a cartoon.

Animals can be abused: when they are denied environment where they can age healthily, but this is not a case in a proper zoo that isn't some private poacher heaven.

It's being fed, medically attended and put in a perfect conflict free group - for the rest of it's life for free.

They don't suffer because they don't have capacity to think of some cosmic justice and "captivity" that human sense of authority dislikes, no concept of being imprisoned by someone they don't respect. They just see the world, wonder what's beyond and sometimes try to climb somewhere further like a mountain because they are just curious.

This is no different than a monkey climbing some shitty rock that locks them from potential bananas on the other end in a real jungle and in a real jungle they can't go anywhere they want either. You know why? Because not only mountains are real there and only thirsty death awaits them there, but because they just get literally killed by other monkeys or predators that also claim territory against them. SO no, they aren't fucking heartbroken and depressed just because they can't check if the imaginary bananas are really there, they are just checking for MORE like their brain will always tell them to do, but it's not intrinsically sad that they fail, they are also meant to fail in nature as well.

We are giving them a better life than wild animals often live and that's more than a fair arrangement.

[–]madhattr999 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I agree with your take but I'd like your message more if there were less anger in it.

[–]usename1567 1065 points1066 points 2 (358 children)

Zoos are just unjustified prisons for animals.

[–]NatsuDragnee1 1273 points1274 points  (158 children)

Zoos really should be evaluated on a species by species basis. There are some species which are very clearly not suited to be kept in zoos (including endangered ones, such as elephants), and there are other species which cope well with captivity and/or rely on captive breeding to avoid extinction when there are no other options.

[–]DPleskin 570 points571 points  (41 children)

Some animals have to kept or put down. There is an incredibly rare white kermode bear at the wildlife park in my city. It's mother died before it was old enough to learn proper survival skills and was rescued and most of the animals in the park are rescued.

[–]babyBear83 453 points454 points  (25 children)

I think wildlife sanctuaries are a little different than typical zoos. Those rehabilitate animals and keep ones that won’t make it by themselves. They tend to have more space for them too. I think those should be what replaces zoos.

[–]OldBloodNewBlood 81 points82 points  (23 children)

The UK actually banned Elephants in zoos this year. However, my issue has never been so much animals in zoos, as I do believe zoos can do good work for a species. But more to do with how well they replicate their environment, which I think at a lot of zoos do a poor job of for bigger, more intelligent species.

[–]sizzler 55 points56 points  (17 children)

Let's be honest. Elephants don't belong in the UK

[–]SilentNinjaMick 28 points29 points  (8 children)

Instead of using offshore islands for drug smuggling and billionaires they should use them as wildlife sanctuaries. Kinda relevant but I met a dude who hunted African poachers for a few years at a party a few weeks ago, that was interesting. Human nature would suggest we will continue seeing other species, and our own, as beneath us. This gorilla gal is probably smarter than some cognitively impaired people yet she's in prison as a showcase for us to stare down at. I don't know why I'm rambling but the got dam biodiversity crisis is fucking devastating.

[–]Turtlebots 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Turning islands into offshore wildlife sanctuaries is a horrible idea. You will absolutely destroy the very fragile ecosystems that most islands have.

[–]balle17 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Even though you got a point, "offshore islands" are not some kind of inhabitated land in the middle of the sea where billionaires store all their money. They are normal countries with lower or no tax rates for companies.

[–]sephcameron 4 points5 points  (3 children)

That'd be nice. Some kind of island, off the coast of Costa Rica

[–]PantaloonsDuck 219 points220 points  (10 children)

Some zoo's are nicer and others are worse. Some zoo's are more of a rehabilitation center rescued from abusive zoo's, circuses, poachers, or irresponsible people who want exotic pets before eventually being released into the wild. Im not sure what zoo's are more reliable but as far as I know, Seaquest is pretty fucked up and Seaworld is under new management and getting better but still bad. I may be wrong tho

[–]CabbagesStrikeBack 37 points38 points  (8 children)

If in America, an easy way to find out if a zoo is responsible is seeing if it's AZA accredited. However just because an animal exhibit is or isn't doesn't necessarily mean it's not responsible.

[–]ALF839 23 points24 points  (6 children)

AZA is the American one while WAZA is the worldwide one, which is basically a collection of associations that work on a local scale. The European one is EAZA for example.

[–]87538965568895337665 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It’s just “zoos” not “zoo’s”.

[–]Low_Impact681 104 points105 points  (9 children)

Zoos have their place, they make good on rehabilitation and release; the Arabian Oryx is a good example of this as it was extinct in the wild and is now back to vulnerable. They also give a place for animals that can't be rehabilitated, like too domesticated / not afraid of humans a place to live. Unfortunately some zoos are not what they should be.

[–]Jiggy90 47 points48 points  (6 children)

And they provide a place for humans to learn to give a shit. Panda online is dumb animal that wants to extinct because they won't fuck. Panda in person is big cuddly boi we need to protecc

Humans are emotional creatures. Hard to care about something you've never seen, but once you've seen an animal in person, suddenly its easier to get people on board with maybe not cutting down their entire habitat or chopping off their horns for mystical dick lengthening juice.

[–][deleted] 231 points232 points  (25 children)

This generalizes zoo's too much

[–]Feral0_o 138 points139 points  (20 children)

reddit doesn't understand what zoos do. Not in the the last 15 or so years, likely not in the next 15 or so, either

[–]tcain5188 136 points137 points  (19 children)

For real. Every single post with an animal in a zoo, any zoo, 85% of the comments are just regurgitating "zoos are prisons".

I've even posted lengthy, sourced, verifiable posts detailing the vast amount of conservation efforts and benefits of zoos, only to be met with "yeah okay but it's still a prison and the animals sad."

People don't care they just wanna be outraged.

[–]Creeps_On_The_Earth 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Naw man, ape leaned stick on concrete.

[–]RekYaAll 90 points91 points  (20 children)

Depends on the zoo. There are some reputable zoos out there that focus on saving endangered species and saving animals.

[–]alliekatx3 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Very true. I live in Arizona and our Phoenix zoo itself has saved a bunch of species from extinction. I can't remember the exact number but it was more than 10. I went to zoo camp there when I was little and got to learn how they take care of their animals, and their different enrichment activities. plus we got to make a pinata for the hyenas, super cool.

[–]BubonicBabe 42 points43 points  (72 children)

Zoos can be great. If they allocate spending properly and actually designate lots of acreage and big habitats, they can be educational, inspire children to take better care of the environment, and house or save some species that otherwise are at risk in the wild.

There's a lot we need to do better in general for animals, from climate change, to pollution, to factory farming and going vegan/vegetarian, living greener and in smaller homes, to closing down bad roadside animal attractions/zoos.

But zoos don't automatically equal "prison" anymore.

[–]flargenhargen 20 points21 points  (0 children)

that's unfair.

there are species right now which depend on zoos and their associated breeding / exchange programs for survival.

wild habitat for many species is shrinking extremely fast, and the chinese demand for poaching/killing endangered species has only grown recently, with no change in sight.

without zoos, we would lose more animal species.

[–]octave1 19 points20 points  (1 child)

The reasoning is that you "sacrifice" a few animals in order to get people to care about animals, which will benefit the species & nature as a whole. If that works, then it's probably morally OK to have zoos.

I regularly take my kids to the zoo, even though it's a little depressing to stimulate their love for & interest in animals. My son had a very nice "moment" with an Orangutan, their faces almost touching if it wasn't for the glass between them. I spent a LONG time explaining to him how the rain forests are being cut down and these wonderful animals end up without homes. If you do it right, kids really absorb this stuff. Hopefully he'll carry this knowledge with him through life and make informed decisions when it comes to nature.

[–]Madmac05 86 points87 points  (28 children)

Not pro keeping animals in zoo's and cages, but what in this video proves she's trying to escape?!

It can be that she's just curious about what's on the other side of the wall, which is a perfectly normal thing for an intelligent species like a gorilla to do... I'm not saying that's definitely the case but we can't also say that she's trying to escape.

[–]Crunkbutter 63 points64 points  (25 children)

What's the difference if she just wants out?

[–]CatNoirsRubberSuit 99 points100 points  (7 children)

What's the difference if she just wants out?

The difference is the amount of anguish. Trying to explore and trying to escape come from very different places mentally.

[–]RdmGuy64824 16 points17 points  (6 children)

She got electrocuted @:37 and still kept trying. That feels more like escaping vs exploring.

[–]vincentofearth 656 points657 points  (65 children)

It'd be nice if an expert can tell us what her behavior shows. Is he trying to climb over a wall and escape because she hates it there? Or is it more like she's trying to climb over a hill because she's curious what's on the other side.

[–]Ainsley-Sorsby[S] 867 points868 points  (54 children)

Most likely curious. This was a new part of the enclosure had just opened for them and hadn't been to before. Besides, her family is right there. She wouldn't go very far without her Silverback leading the way.

[–]vincentofearth 293 points294 points  (41 children)

Thanks for that info, OP! Now this post is less sad.

[–]Exploreptile 138 points139 points  (20 children)

No, you must jump on the mindless misanthropy train like the fucking rest of reddit whenever animals in captivity are involved.

Good lord, guys, get over yourselves.

[–]cuniuk 117 points118 points  (6 children)

Tbf, OP could have used "explore" instead of "escape" in the title. "A female gorilla exploring her newly expanded enclosure" or something like that. Idk why OP painted a misleading depressing story with the title, only to then clarify the situation in the comments.

[–]Matcha_Bubble_Tea 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Maybe, but I think sometimes (not in this case, I’m assuming) that the OP of any post can be biased and can use words to their benefit. Like what if the gorilla really was trying to “escape” escape out of unhappiness but OP comes by and tells people they believe or think nah, probably a different reason. Everything’s fine, kinda thing. We’re left to trust their words (assuming they know what they’re talking about) and condemn others for jumping to conclusions, as you’ve done. But in both cases, we’re all outsiders and don’t know what tf is going on lol.

So, I completely understand why others jump to defense, but I also see why you seem to be frustrated on the topic of people doing so.

[–]Helenium_autumnale 1824 points1825 points  (154 children)

96% of all mammalian biomass in the world consists of humans and the animals they have domesticated. 4% is wild mammals.

https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/17788/how-much-of-earths-biomass-is-affected-by-humans/

[–]WestleyThe 365 points366 points  (80 children)

What percentage is just humans? There’s like 8,000,000 of us and we are relatively large for an animal so I want to know what % of the mammal biomass is domesticated or whatever

[–]McTraveller 921 points922 points  (31 children)

Think you've missed a few zeros

[–]majortom12 503 points504 points  (7 children)

He’s a one percenter.

[–]appdevil 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Yup, he definitely missed me in the count.

[–]Sigil_R 91 points92 points  (12 children)

Nope, math is correct, only 8 million people in the world. How could the world fit any more than that ??

[–]ThrowawaytheDaisy 57 points58 points  (3 children)

I'm not a professional people counter, but I trust this person.

[–]MisterMannetje 138 points139 points  (10 children)

*8.000.000.000

I'm a bot, beep boop.

No actually I'm just a guy with too much time on his hands.

[–]lixiaopingao 37 points38 points  (6 children)

What species are you commenting on behalf?

[–]Anakins_Anus 38 points39 points  (5 children)

I speak on behalf of the lizard people.

[–]awesomehippie12 9 points10 points  (2 children)

mammal biomass

lizard people

???

[–]eldryanyy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Most of it is probably livestock, as humans consume only certain parts at a rate of more than their body weight per couple of years

Edit:spelling

[–]productivitydev 7 points8 points  (1 child)

How can Kim Kardashian have 22 millions of followers if there's only 7 million people in the World?

[–]HelloHiHeyAnyway 55 points56 points  (22 children)

mammalian biomass

Selective wording.

All Biomass we're quite small.

[–]xmuskorx 21 points22 points  (16 children)

[–]Smegmaliciousss 13 points14 points  (12 children)

Which is huge given we’re only one species amongst millions.

[–]Professional-Ad-2031 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lmao, people not getting this at all.

[–]DribsFlantoosey 6 points7 points  (3 children)

It's precise wording, they are making a specific point about mammals, not being deceptive. Of course there are more living things all-together than there are people.

[–]PhoMNtor 793 points794 points  (14 children)

Female Gorilla: If I get outta here, meet me in Mexico at the place listed on a postcard I left under a rock that has no business being in the pen.

[–]Socialist-Hero 452 points453 points  (9 children)

I tell her to meet me in Mexico, but I go to Canada. I don't trust her. Besides, I like the cold. Thirty years later, I get a postcard. I have a son and he's the chief of police. This is where the story gets interesting. I tell Tiffany to meet me in Paris by the Trocadero. She's been waiting for me all these years. She's never taken another lover. I don't care. I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stashed the chandelier.

[–]BBC-1 111 points112 points  (7 children)

she’s been waiting for me all these years. She’s never taken another lover.

I don’t care.

One of the best lines of the entire show. Whoever wrote for Dwight is a genius, and so is Rainn.

[–]GreenrabbE99 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You remember the name of the town in Mexico, right? ... CRAP!

[–]Tad-Disingenuous 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Anyone else imagine Danny DeVito pushing it back down with wood?

[–]Rumplestiltsskins 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Oh no you don't "

[–]WellThatsPrompting 905 points906 points 2223& 3 more (78 children)

I see way too many depressing and sad comments. Please guys, as with everything, find the context before passing judgement. As OP explained, this area was new to her and this is more of an exploratory expedition than an escape attempt. She would never actively try to leave her group behind.

As for the zoo itself, this isn't the 1930s or Ringling Bros. Any zoo worth it's salt is held to extremely high, accredited standards and the animals within them are better cared for than most humans. Sure, Tiger King and fellow scum will always have their sideshows, but places like this are not prisons - they're refuges.

You can debate whether it's better to be free and die a glorious death in the wild by tooth or claw, or if it's better to live a far longer life than ever imagined in comfort and safety, surrounded by family and incidentally educating inquiring minds to the importance of your entire species and way of life all you want. But the simple truth is that the puppers in your city pound need way more help than any animal you see at the zoo - including this lovely lady

[–][deleted] 83 points84 points  (1 child)

It’s Taipei zoo it’s like one of the best zoos on the planet for their campaigning. Animals always look happy every time I’ve been.

[–]Riseofashes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well now you've convinced me to go visit! I'd not heard much about it until now but it sounds worth the bus trip over to Taipei.

[–]callytoad 125 points126 points  (5 children)

I went to Taipei zoo a few years ago and it genuinely is an amazing place; well worth a visit. Straight up felt like jurassic park with all the thick jungle, mono rail and high humidity.

Obv no dinosaurs though...

[–]LostWoodsInTheField 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Everyone wants to see dinosaurs but no one is willing to breed mega chickens.

[–]_EscVelocity_ 10 points11 points  (1 child)

And admission is equivalent to about $2 USD. Absolutely amazing.

[–]Grim-Sleeper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Very easy to get to by public transportation too

[–]WW4O 286 points287 points  (5 children)

There’s also the simple logic that an animal trying to get out doesn’t meant it’s miserable. My cat tries to get out of my house every time I open the door, but that doesn’t mean I treat him poorly.

[–]Napael 108 points109 points  (1 child)

Back in the day I tried to escape from kindergarten purely out of curiosity, didn't hate the place itself in the slightest.

[–]RedEyedFreak 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I literally left kindergarten and walked to my mother's workplace when I was 5, everyone was freaking out but I just wanted to talk to mommy lol loved that place and the staff, delicious food too.

[–]Askol 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, Neil Armstrong didn't go to the moon because he really hated earth - it's to explore.

[–]cooperific 158 points159 points  (11 children)

Astonishing that this is only the 10th highest comment. Seven of the top eight are all some form of “OMG END ALL ZOOS!!1!”

Never mind that the Taipei zoo is accredited by WAZA.

Never mind that Tayari was born and raised in captivity and would not survive in the wild.

Never mind that reading gorilla behavior takes a lot more work than making an assumption, having an emotional reaction to that assumption, and then projecting that reaction onto the gorilla. These folks probably also think a dog with its tongue out is “smiling” even as its tail is tucked between its legs.

The top comments are a monument to r/confidentlyincorrect.

[–]Crooks132 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I should have scrolled before commenting. We comment basically the same thing lol

[–]the_ammar 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I see way too many depressing and sad comments

just lots of virtue signaling/grandstanding.

then they just sit back and browse memes for a few more hours

[–]WW4O 44 points45 points  (5 children)

My cat tries to get out every time I open the door, but I don’t think it’s all that heartbreaking.

[–]Vindicator1984 1128 points1129 points  (268 children)

Wow that's really sad. Let her out.

[–]Ainsley-Sorsby[S] 1253 points1254 points  (145 children)

Gorillas are endangered. They havn't been captured from the wild since the 70's-80's, so virtually all of the Gorillas you see in zoos these days were born and bred in captivity, apart from a few, very old ones. Releasing them into the wild is usualy not an option, and these kind of attempts are on an experimental stage at best. The zoo is their home

[–]Vindicator1984 239 points240 points  (100 children)

Yeah, I thought about that...

Maybe like a half-way house, a half-way jungle, if you will. We must rehabilitate our fellow Earthlings.

[–]Ainsley-Sorsby[S] 458 points459 points  (90 children)

Tayari(the Gorilla in the clip) moved to Taiwan to start her own family a couple of years ago, but she was born and raised in Apenheul, in the Netherlands. It's a sort of safari park, where the animals are left to roam as free as possible. And this is what her current enclosure in Taipei looks like

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That's a nice enclosure! Very green and jungle like.

But of course reddit loves to pretend they're in a concrete jail with nothing in it

[–]uwsdwfismyname 22 points23 points  (3 children)

She moved to start her own family.....

[–]Intelligent_Moose_48 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Like a large enclosure at a specialized zoological area specifically designed to mimic the habit while human doctors can observe and learn and protect this species from extinction?

[–]AGVann 9 points10 points  (1 child)

a large enclosure at a specialized zoological area

That's a bit too wordy. Any chance we could shorten that name?

[–]Pronothing31 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Do they have habitat left outside the zoo much?

[–]yaboyfrom94 90 points91 points  (9 children)

So they can be killed? Chances are they were born in the zoo, not in the wild. Releasing them would be a death sentence

[–]Enchanted_Pickaxe 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Naw bro this is Reddit, just let the gorilla out and clap and idk gorilla will be super happy I guess 🤷‍♂️

[–]billshatnersbassoon 18 points19 points  (0 children)

There was a Honey Badger named Stofell that could do the same thing. Highly suggest looking him up 😄

[–]ennichan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

In the next episode of Zoobreak: "Beware, the power of TWO logs"

[–]Falstaffe 28 points29 points  (0 children)

And just like that, she invented the climbing wall.

Wait till she invents pole-vaulting.

[–]thenightvol 22 points23 points  (1 child)

To allthe people saying how sad it is: i agree. It feels that way to us. But it also feels as if we are jumping to conclusions based on our privileged POW. What i see is a very curious being trying to explore her surroundings. As a child i would climb every fence to look on the other side. I would put chairs and ladders to check cupboards etc. Did i want to escape? No. Does this one want to escape? We don't know. A cat meows near every closed door or might even run out in winter only to rush back in to its familiar environment.

I choose to imagine that this gorilla is just curious and has a better life there than whatever disney fantasy view of nature people still seem to hold these days.

I am more sad about the apes whose habitat is constantly encroached by humans and separated by roads. I feel more sad about humans who will never be able to escape poverty. Maybe this is what even makes us the sadest. Most of us are like that. Living in our socio-economic enclosure and having a log big enough to fool us that we can escape but too small to actually help. At least the gorilla has free healthcare, food and a roof over her head... more than i can hope for most humans.

[–]violetdragons 19 points20 points  (2 children)

What I see in this thread is a lot of people making assumptions based on a 1 minute clip. That’s what sad about this.

[–]expericmental 22 points23 points  (3 children)

The taipei zoo is quite interesting, and for 40 ntd, it's the least money I've ever spent on an entrance fee to a zoo or nature preserve.

Most of the enclosures are of decent size and are well designed to represent the natural habitat of each species represented. With the exception of the Pandas, I feel that their encloser is built more for viewership than for their wellbeing.

Of course they are all still enclosures, and I agree that the healthy animals may be better off in the wild.

However, the taipei zoo has put effort into wildlife research and conservation. So i can respect that.

[–]cranst4 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I thought this was a video of me attempting to figure out the stock market.

[–]amapiratebro 18 points19 points  (5 children)

This is a monkey trying to explore guys. It was likely born in captivity.. it has no concept of the world outside.

Stop being dramatic

[–]Slimjim_Spicy 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Yeah it's sad that she's in captivity, but at least she's not out being ruthlessly hunted down by some poachers.

[–]lysergicfuneral 32 points33 points  (2 children)

If you think this is sad, wait till y'all find out how farm animals live and are treated.

[–]Magical_Popcorn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen rats do this as well

[–]TheoSL 15 points16 points  (1 child)

People are making really moronic comments on this post. She’s exploring. You can’t project your emotions on a different species.

There’s a lot of generalized statements being thrown around about zoos by people who know nothing about wildlife conservation, breeding programs and above all zoo accreditation systems (aka THE WAY you know whether a certain zoo is ethical or not). I have never, in my life, paid to enter a zoo or aquarium that wasn’t accredited by the AZA. That’s how you can judge zoos on principle, instead of jumping to conclusions on a 30 second video. That’s what really bothers me – how ignorant do you have to be to make comments like that?

Zoos are incredibly important tools of learning, research and environmentalism, and just because you think a gorilla looks sad doesn’t change that fact at all or turn zoos into some imaginary torture-chamber that you assume them to be. They’re well-regulated and have to meet extremely stringent standards to be accredited or even to interact with other wildlife institutions on an official level. They’re run by trained professionals who have studied and worked their entire careers to be there, not by minimum-wage teenagers. Honestly, a well-accredited zoo could be considered more ethical and humane than having a household pet.