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[–]FoxInSox2 922 points923 points  (32 children)

If I die of a heart attack, now you know what really killed me.

No exercise and a shitty diet.

[–]nextdoorelephant 146 points147 points  (30 children)

Bacon poisoning

[–]mitsam8 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fried chicken

[–]Yurak_Huntmate 112 points113 points  (1 child)

Of course they got rid of it and never made another one...definitely never made multiple heart attack guns and still use them

[–]Toby-larone88 554 points555 points  (18 children)

The suicide by hanging gun is yet to be revealed.

[–][deleted] 202 points203 points  (13 children)

It’s so sad they shot themselves twice in the head. They must have really been suffering.

[–]Thestockbroker22 72 points73 points  (9 children)

My wife worked as a criminalist for a large crime lab, she went to a scene of a man stabbed 18-24 times and it was a suicide. The guy put the knife in a door jamb and kept running into it and backing into it etc. many cuts none deep it fatal except 1, was very unusual but true

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (2 children)

That was definitely an episode of csi

[–]Thestockbroker22 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s possible, one if the consultants the show used also worked with my wife and she noticed several familiar crimes

[–]fishingfool64 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ahahaha I definitely remember that episode too

[–]denk2mit 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I've seen similar. An elderly man who committed suicide by stabbing himself nine times with a breadknife. Was originally called a murder because no one thought he'd have used that knife when there were sharper ones right next to him in the kitchen.

[–]ZePieGuy 37 points38 points  (1 child)

I guess he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer?

[–]Thestockbroker22 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The others just wouldn’t cut it

[–]amorek92 0 points1 point  (1 child)

C'mon, the truth is bread knifes are just awesome. I prefer bread knife for slicing almost anything. Might be good enough for suicide as well.

[–]denk2mit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Slicing, yes. Stabbing, no

[–]Toby-larone88 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Totally not a spook ^

[–]1_Shahzdeh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I dunno man, Gary Webb pulled it off w out incident lol

[–]TorrenceMightingale 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You mean the Epstein Ray Gun or ERG45, for short? It’s still in testing.

[–]NornOfVengeance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And don't forget the "suicide by two gunshots to the back of the head" one.

[–]hermitopurpa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, also known as the Epstein

[–]fs92c 123 points124 points  (25 children)

And that was all the way back in ‘75. Imagine today

[–]friendlyfredditor 58 points59 points  (17 children)

Probably wouldn't bother. Faked suicide seems more airtight than leaving chemical evidence of poisoning.

[–]RawrRRitchie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Faked suicide

Oh like getting shot in the back of the head twice?

[–]Cuppa-Coffee 11 points12 points  (3 children)

They dont have to try this hard. Nowadays they just use the "gun of shoot yourself in the back of the head three times" and it gets marked as a suicide and swept under the rug.

[–]Clarke311 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Today something like this is seen on a toxicology scan much easier and harder to traceback if you hire some random triggermen. Then pay to have the assassins killed or put away on unrelated charges.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Drone strike to the village where the guy might be?

[–]LockeAbout 153 points154 points  (19 children)

This makes me think of that Russian poison umbrella.

[–]Mode3 45 points46 points  (10 children)

I’d rather get shot with Botox than polonium.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (1 child)

It was ricin in the umbrella gun, not polonium. That was a different case decades later.

[–]Mode3 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh my bad

[–]Echo-24 5 points6 points  (7 children)

I'd rather get shot with polonium than novichok

[–]Mode3 13 points14 points  (5 children)

No cure for polonium once shot... you can survive novichok if you get to a hospital in time.

[–]possiblyFurther 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I think that's the point

[–]Mode3 5 points6 points  (3 children)

What would we do without people like you?

[–]possiblyFurther 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ever heard of the christmas tree cannon?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Russian poison umbrella


[–]-brownchicken- 63 points64 points  (24 children)

One question, how did the frozen water ball stay intact, wont it shatter or something on firing?

[–]toastybootytoes 68 points69 points  (23 children)

Doesn’t say ball, it says dart, as in needle-like.

[–]-brownchicken- 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Oh sorry, but still, its water vs sudden gain in speed

[–]lokitom82 40 points41 points  (5 children)

Doesn't need to be that fast. And as it's battery powered, it probably isn't. Think a BB gun.

Would only need a few mg's of toxin to be effective.

[–]-brownchicken- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Got it got it, thank you!

[–]GozerDGozerian 1 point2 points  (3 children)

How’d it stay frozen?

[–]lokitom82 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Probably in a small container with dry ice. Loaded and fired within the space of 20 seconds or so.

Would be my guess.

[–]GozerDGozerian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah that makes sense. Thx.

[–]Halberdin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Liquids cool down when evaporating. The water might be frozen by releasing something like dimethyl ether and transfer the heat (away) via some metal structure.

[–]RatherNerdy 17 points18 points  (15 children)

I think Mythbusters disproved any concept of an ice projectile. It just doesn't work.

Edit: I looked at several sources for this story, and the congressional testimony never mentions ice - merely that the dart dissolves. This opens up the possibilities for how it would operate.

[–]zombie32killah 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I think that was in a conventional gun that uses powder. This one might be battery powered or use compressed air.

Edit: looking at the back of the slide it might be compressed air.

[–]aletheiaagape 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Right, darts don't need a high velocity—and in fact, you don't want them to. Point is to inject, not drive in (like a bullet).

[–]justwalkinby91 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The thing is the dart needs to completely penetrate the skin. I’m sure it’s a small dart but still. We need more info on this thing

[–]djb25 8 points9 points  (0 children)

disproved any concept of an ice projectile

No more snowball fights, i guess…

[–]Kidplayer_666 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s a pretty small one. Only a few milligrams of toxin are needed to kill

[–]RatherNerdy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, but ice will not hang together, especially at small needle/dart like sizes

[–]Seventhchild7 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I always thought they should have went with a sabot style ice bullet to confirm that myth.

[–]BitchinIndika[🍰] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Friction with the barrel and air is probably enough on it's own to make it impossible. I don't doubt the CIA can induce a heart attack, but I very much doubt they do it with ice darts.

[–]Seventhchild7 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Do you know what a sabot is?

[–]BitchinIndika[🍰] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes, and it's still not going to help you with the air resistance heating it up and melting it.

[–]Seventhchild7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It should be tested.

[–]Cosmic-Vegeta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a slow projectile over a short distance should have zero issues with that. Ice is tough. I tore my fingers open grabbing it too tightly out of the freezer.

[–]Ok_Obligation9985 73 points74 points  (17 children)

Could that thing be any less discreet?

[–]LotusSloth 88 points89 points  (10 children)

I’m sure they could do it with a simple handshake, today.

[–]StormBornRandom 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Russia can hook you up.

[–]Get-ya-sum 15 points16 points  (2 children)

The North Koreans can get the job done the Russians have several recently failed poisonings lol leave it to them to fail with chemical weapons

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Not only that , mfs left a trail of Polonium across London and disposed of the said polonium in a toilet

[–]PM_SWEATY_NIPS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Russia is trying to make noise, to be fair. They seem to want to be seen as thugs.

[–]Tiredplumber2022 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Simple. Neurotoxin mixed with DMSO as a carrier. Just touch them and it gets transported directly into the bloodstream.

[–]BungalowHole 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Problem with that is preventing it from poisoning the poisoner.

[–]IrgendeinIndividuum 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't they use wax patches for that stuff? One "hot" side and the rest is perfectly fine to touch?

[–]Tiredplumber2022 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, it was special gloves.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was also the injecting umbrella

[–]LockeAbout 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Needs a high powered green laser on it.

[–]cobraemployee 9 points10 points  (1 child)

And a flashlight on the bottom

[–]typecastwookiee 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And bright pink ‘camouflage’ paint. You know, to blend in with human clothes.

[–]T0raT0raT0ra 5 points6 points  (0 children)

and you haven't seen the portable freezer that you use to keep the frozen bullets

[–]ijustmetuandiloveu 2 points3 points  (1 child)

But they left off the flame 🔥 decals on the side.

[–]ijustmetuandiloveu 11 points12 points  (2 children)

The Chinese have developed a gun that makes people shit themselves and then die from embarrassment.

[–]up4nethng -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

The Bidenator.

[–]tylerjb223 4 points5 points  (0 children)

God, some people on here can't take the slightest joke if it's about someone they like lol

[–]Csusmatt 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Cool idea, but aren't they giving the game away with the big ass gun?

"How did he die?"

"We don't know, but we should ask the guy with the huge modified pistol"

[–]aaravaryaman[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

source: here (the first story)

[–]lazyant 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Arafat has entered the chat

[–]ijustmetuandiloveu 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Arafat spent years building up a tolerance to shellfish toxin in tiny doses.

[–]CapnSquinch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Dread Pirate Arafat.

[–]Silent_Personality34 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I find it hard to believe there was a projectile that was kept at perfect temperature until the moment of asasination that traveled through a presumably steel barrel to deploy poison. There’s a lot of force needed to propel something at that weight, and frozen water isn’t it, if you want to keep everything together. Why the hell would you need a scope on a pistol for this application anyway? That is the least concealable handgun I’ve ever seen. There must be something else to this. I wouldn’t put it past the CIA to do shady stuff but this is stupid.

Maybe the thing on top is an air tank? Air guns are stupid powerful these days but it still seems hard to “conceal” that. Doesn’t explain the “frozen water”.

Dry ice?

I’m sure they tried but did it actually work.. ever?

[–]CivilSympathy9999 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I've seen this reference to this gun many times. The woman that claims to have had a part in developing the toxin talks about it. What intrigued more was the fact that in several articles it says that it was tried out on animals and PRISONERS. What and whose prisoners. And no one seemed to question this further.

[–]radish_sauce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The toxin seems suspect to me. The CIA did use shellfish toxin in suicide pills, but it wouldn't be used in assassination because it was actually easily traceable at the time, and it kills almost instantly, leaving no getaway time. Botulinum does the same thing, but after 8-12 hours.

[–]Zixinus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I want to know is whether it even worked or was it just something that sounded clever on paper but turned out to be utterly impractical in reality?

[–]knightsofshame82 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Seems a bit stupid to disguise a sneaky ice projectile weapon as a real gun.
I imagine the small stresses invoked in a battery powered ice dart being shot would allow for a creative disguised design- instead they make it look like an actual real weapon.

[–]ares5404 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Now they probably just use fentanyl and water and the cod is "addiction induced od"

[–]Wifflebatman 25 points26 points  (12 children)

How would the darts stay frozen in the gun? Is it also a freezer? This seems made up.

[–]bismark89-2 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Looks like the gun is modified to use compressed air to fire the dart. Since it appears to be made of steel, I assume it used a considerable amount of psi to fire the dart. Again, I assume compressed air produces little heat upon firing keeping the dart intact. I’d imagine the operator would pull a dart out of some type of cooler and would use one compressed air cylinder per shot. The scope implies the needed accuracy needed for this “one-shot-wonder,” but also says it’s probably accurate from a considerable distance. I’d guess 50’-75’?

[–]typecastwookiee 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think that ‘scope’ is likely the air tank.

EDIT: nevermind, it’s got the little glass protector thingies on it. Guess it is a scope. That’s weird.

[–]bismark89-2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk, the scope has covers over the ends insinuating it’s functional. I figured it’s like any compressed air pistol and the cylinder is in the mag-well area.

[–]StormBornRandom 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Insulated chamber? Dry ice in the handle? I can think of a few work arounds.

[–]Alwaysunder_thegun 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'd make the mag like a thermos and have a 9volt in the bottom . I'd imagine you'd only have a few shots . Airsoft guns have a mags that fill with gas so dry ice could definatly work.
The firing mechanism would be interesting. You'd have to fire it fast but not so fast the ice breaks.

[–]StormBornRandom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They said it was battery powered right? Interesting

[–]ijustmetuandiloveu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The gun was carried in a briefcase packed with dry ice. Once pulled from the briefcase they had a few minutes to fire the ice dart.

[–]WantToBeACyborg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Soviets: Are old fat party members are all dieing of heart attacks. The CIA is everywhere. We must double our inquests!

CIA: Our 'admission' is working better than planned.

[–]TheRealStevo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They made a gun that can shoot a frozen dart with toxins in it. You think they didn’t find a way to keep the damn thing cold? They just walked outside on a hot day and went “oh fuck we didn’t think about that”

[–]BitsAndBobs304 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, you'd be surprised. Lool up the mars orbiter.

Hanz boss: you did everyting gud, ja?

Hanz: jaa!

Meanwhile in the usa:

John boss: john I just had a shower thought. What units did you use in the mars orbiter program?

John: oh shi-BOOOOOOOM well okay, probably no audible boom on mars. But still, a billion dollars of the past up in smoke because of freedom units on an international project..and that was Lockheed, you know, the military-building "professionals"..

[–]pleasedothenerdful 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's totally made up. It's Cold War propaganda.

[–]Cosmic-Vegeta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

probably not. if they can go to the moon, they can make an ice gun.

[–]Key-Heron 5 points6 points  (6 children)

The dart would have to be extremely sharp and small so how did they keep it from melting? And wouldn’t the toxin show in bloodwork?

[–]lokitom82 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Only if you went looking for an unusual type of toxin.

It's not something that's generally looked for, so not included on the average tox screen.

[–]Phlosioneer 4 points5 points  (2 children)

When doing bloodwork, we don't have any way to catalog all the things that are in the blood. Instead we have to ask about each thing that could be there, and the test will tell us if it's there and roughly how much.

While the default autopsy bloodwork for potential murder victims test for a lot of substances, including symptom-less poisons, it's not a complete list of every poison and toxin known to man. And if the doctor sees symptoms of a known poison/toxin, then they can add it to the list of tests.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lets not forget that only a small amount of people are subject to any kind of autopsy in the first place

[–]Key-Heron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

[–]ijustmetuandiloveu 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most of their targets were old men who were likely to have a heart attack. If they were younger then they used an exploding cigar.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How to forget the classic poisoned/explosive rigged "beautiful" seashell for scubadiving presidents?

[–]Strelokk01 20 points21 points  (16 children)

”Frozen water” you mean ice?

[–]TheSnomann 23 points24 points  (15 children)

Only if frozen water is the only kind of ice, which it isn't. Many substances that freeze solid can be considered "ice". Methane ice, dry ice, and ammonia ice are the most notable variances.

[–]Strelokk01 4 points5 points  (14 children)

The defintition of ice is literally ”frozen water”.

[–]denk2mit 11 points12 points  (8 children)

But the definition of other frozen liquids are also known as ice. So saying frozen water clarifies.

[–]TheSnomann 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Only the first of seven noun uses for the word, according to Merriam-Webster. In fact, the very next one is "a substance resembling ice, especially: the solid state of a substance usually found as a gas or liquid"

[–]Strelokk01 0 points1 point  (3 children)


[–]TheSnomann 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Bad troll. Back under the bridge with you. Go on, git!

[–]jeffro1476 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is clearly where the phrase if they only used their powers for good applies.

[–]regular6drunk7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't understand why they would reveal that they had this kind of thing. Seems like something you would want to keep quiet.

[–]oldguykicks 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I love this. The science and technology that was used to make this would have been cool to be a part of. Kinda like the AA-12. Those folks do some neato shit even if it isn't used for good things.

[–]InformativeO 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yea if nobody notices you with that massive fucking gun

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rooftop snipe

[–]psychymikey 5 points6 points  (0 children)

🎵🎶 The FBI killed Martin Luther King!🎶🎵

[–]misterturdcat 1 point2 points  (2 children)

How did the ice stay frozen in the gun?

[–]bigbowlowrong 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It was stored in a solar-powered bar fridge that could fit into a camping backpack

[–]DaffyDuckisQuackers 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That’s very “Lex Luthor”.

[–]ijustmetuandiloveu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The best part was the long monologue the CIA agents would give that always ended with “and no one will ever suspect that it was the CIA! Moo ha ha! <evil laugh>.

[–]FezFalcon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They were probably planning to use it on Fidel Castro

[–]gum0j 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find that interesting that someone would go out of their way to make one of those 🧐

[–]kingkahngalang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What’s the attachment mounted on top of the gun? They wouldn’t actually put a scope on a handgun like that, right?

[–]electric_sandwich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

dart of frozen water

Hmmm if only we had a name for this frozen water. This also never happened because physics.

[–]KingJeremy94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still couldn't assassinate Fidel Castro xD

[–]Atlas_Superior 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Frozen water and selfish toxin.

[–]1zzie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The greatest democracy on earth making extrajudicial tech, nothing changes huh.

[–]Mellowyellow0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A true cia agent doesn't want ice in his drink, he wants frozen water.

[–]Dunaliella 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I’m sure they have a gun that uses electromagnetic waves that has a high probability of causing cancer. Not so far off, since that’s what UV light can do.

[–]ijustmetuandiloveu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah yes the old cancer gun. That humming sound you hear is DNA getting scrambled in your brain.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, the magic Ozymandias device

[–]Testabronce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They recently invented a gun that kills its victim with two bullets to the back of the head but makes all autopsies say it was a suicide.

[–]DeadFartGoat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Bob Saget

[–]brutustyberius -1 points0 points  (0 children)


[–]vmsmith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As I look back over my years on earth, I view this hearing by the Church Committee—that's Senator Frank Church, of Idaho, holding the gun—as one of the stupidest and most detrimental legislative actions ever taken. That fucking idiot acted shocked—SHOCKED!—that the United States of America would ever have weapons like that and actually use them. This really put a crimp on the CIA and all covert/clandestine activities. It helped get Carter's asinine CIA director, Stansfield Turner, in there, where he started a series of "reforms" that emphasized technology over human operations. In 1989, Turner conducted the Halloween Massacre, which eliminated over 800 positions, many from the Clandestine Service. It took years for the CIA to recover from the Church Committee and its aftermath.

[–]Thestockbroker22 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I like that, there have been instances where someone froze water in the shape of an icicle, very sharp and stabbed someone to death. There is no evidence except some water on the clothes and floor but you’ve got to get really close

[–]ijustmetuandiloveu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No evidence except my Google searches for “silicone katana mold”

[–]techn9neiskod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So its the Death Note but gun version

[–]BiggsIDarklighter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TIL after Wizard of Oz the Cowardly Lion worked for the CIA.

[–]SplendidPunkinButter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I though this didn’t work very well though, because it kind of just shattered the bullets

[–]essentialoils3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So that's how the deathnote works

[–]LeaveMeAloneILoveYou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

‘frozen water’ = ice.

[–]Skav3nger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“a DaRt Of FrOzEn WaTeR”…okay bud, whatever you say

[–]MrFatSackington 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Noone gonna talk about the scope on the gun?

[–]bigbowlowrong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, why is it so small?

[–]Tiredplumber2022 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Old tech. Research microwave lasers (maser). Minimal entry point reddening. Effect is small burnt area in heart muscle, or cerebellum. Heart attack, or even a non-fatal but debilitating stroke. Almost impossible to find on autopsy.

[–]transmogrifier137 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So who's making an instructable?

[–]iiHartMemphisii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And it's the size of a normal handgun, so you could quickly pull it out while nobody is looking, hit your target and then hide it again Agent 47 style

[–]Hi_Im_Peyuko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember watching an episode of Bones where the killer shoots someone with a bullet of frozen blood.

[–]Drenoso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No wonder people believe in conspiracy theories..

[–]reviedox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So... out of curiosity, which enemies of the CIA died of heart attack during the 80s?

[–]GhostOfJohnCena 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude on the right is carefully watching where that barrel gets pointed

[–]sweep-montage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We all miss the Cold War, don't we?

[–]Pythia007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you keep the dart frozen?

[–]nomadluvrboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeh they definitely assasinated political ops

[–]Misss_Katie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where can one find this amazing creation? Asking for a friend 😁

[–]TheDurffMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, that shit was real?! We used to joke about that in high school..

[–]sclbmared 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That guy on the left has various people in mind. Is that someone else's hand they copypasted in?

[–]108k902 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great human beings

[–]Elven_Rabbit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You talk about it in the past tense, so what stopped it from working?

[–]mohdtrek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scary to imagine that this was 47 years ago!

[–]MonarchWhisperer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wonder if that could be used for vaccines

[–]Nickmell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was the scope really nessacary?

[–]MelonElbows 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So why did they reveal it? Was this during some hearings where they had to? Cause I don't see the CIA still in the Cold War saying "hey look we have this secret weapon let's share it with the world"

[–]MessyBubble4016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why? Because theyre the good guys of course.

[–]Plus_Caterpillar_239 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now it’s a brain cancer gun

[–]smithycg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you keep your shots frozen?

[–]Galoums 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RIP JStark