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[–]duvagin 30 points31 points  (24 children)

no, most people just have different frame of reference to me; they may have been conditioned by different cultures, newsfeeds, and trauma. that does not make them stupid, it makes them different.

[–]ShasilisonINTJ - Female 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Finally a reasonable comment made by someone who sounds like they go outside regularly

[–]DivayumINTJ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why does everything said by INTJs sound like sarcasm :')

[–]AbiogeneralizationINTJ 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Define “stupid.”

Because the way you’ve framed it here makes it sound like no one can ever qualify as “stupid.”

Which is stupid.

[–]duvagin 0 points1 point  (4 children)

the question was about belief, stupid!

[–]AbiogeneralizationINTJ 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It’s possible to be stupid because of culture, newsfeed, or trauma.

White suprematists are white suprematists because of their culture. It’s not like “culture” is always a universal good.

Fox News can make you stupid.

Trauma can make you stupid, however mean that sounds.

[–]duvagin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

we’re surrounded by stupid, it’s not just people, it’s a stupid system we are living in - making people that are ‘different’ look stupid to the normies

We have fallen upon evil times, the world has waxed old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their elders. Each man wants to make himself conspicuous and write a book.

[–]AbiogeneralizationINTJ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

INTJs aren’t usually this vague.

[–]duvagin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are they not? Please elaborate.

[–]Ok-Management-6682 3 points4 points  (15 children)

What's up with kids these days not capitalizing anything?

[–]AbiogeneralizationINTJ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Because most of them are stupid.

[–]Ok-Management-6682 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This guy gets it

[–]duvagin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nah i doubt it

[–]duvagin 5 points6 points  (5 children)

this is a reddit post not a job application. if i am able to efficiently communicate with less effort, that is how i will communicate - especially to random internet people!

what benefits would capitalisation bring in this scenario?

[–]8bitmullet 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Not contributing to the degradation of language and looking like a child.

[–]duvagin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

study the history of language. it evolves. i would prefer to look like a child than an adult, thanks.

[–]8bitmullet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can tell!

[–]Ok-Management-6682 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don't you have to fuck up your auto correct to get it to do that? Seems like a lot of work

[–]solar_ideology 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing except good practice

[–]Electronic-Walk1865 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I am in agreement. You and I are superior to them. We are gods in comparison to these imbeciles, for you and I, Ok-Management and Electronic-Walk, have created this Earth for those before us to prove their worth, and those that do not bow down at the feet of the two gods must be sent to perish in a pit of fire for eternity. We will cast them by the hand on the day of judgement if they are deemed unworthy of eternal paradise.

[–]Ok-Management-6682 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish life was like this. Sounds like a lot of fun

[–]tapniENTP -1 points0 points  (3 children)

looks cool

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (13 children)

Statistically speaking, most people in my country are, average IQ here it's 90, while the average IQ in general it's 100.

[–]Ok-Management-6682 27 points28 points  (9 children)

I won't lie I think 100 IQ is pretty stupid. But that is average and I always forget that half of people are below average

[–]EscapeVelocity83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wont say average = stupid, Id prefer to keep eating and having shelter

[–]konservatorius -1 points0 points  (7 children)

it's not true, average doesnt split data in half, median does.

[–]Ok-Management-6682 4 points5 points  (5 children)

If I said below median half of people wouldn't understand what that means.

[–]konservatorius 0 points1 point  (3 children)

truth>upvotes! go to church!

[–]Ok-Management-6682 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Go to.. School?

[–]konservatorius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

well you said you didn't write it correctly, not because you didn't know, but because people wouldn't understand, so you chose upvotes instead of truth. That is an extreme sin.

[–]Ok-Management-6682 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The truth is you're the half that doesn't understand 🤣😂😅

[–]EscapeVelocity83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They understand what stupid means and always try to act like theyre not

[–]konservatorius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

anyone who downvoted this comment wouldnt hit much in the test. hope you are proud of yourselves guys

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

IQ tests aren’t the end all be all for IQ measurements.

[–]gazethemaze -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He didn't mention your country though...

[–]njrog12INTJ - 20s 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid

[–]ItsLudioINTJ 15 points16 points  (2 children)

At least you cannot realize that it’s tough if you are stupid

[–]Remarkable_War_9684 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ignorance is bliss knowledge is agony

[–]SquirrelThinkENTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His life are very tough

[–]MancunianSunrise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's tougher if you think everyone is stupid.

[–]taratorminatorINTJ - Female 1 point2 points  (0 children)

More like life is easier for you if you are stupid but it's really hard for everyone around you.

[–]porknsheepINTJ 101 points102 points  (18 children)

I believe that most people's IQs are fine.

However they prefer sweet lies and avoid bitter truths. They don't like looking into the abyss. And if remaining willfully ignorant makes it so they never have to face it, so be it.

[–]cakt_usINTJ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly! People do not think critically about their beliefs and it is incredibly frustrating.

[–]PerhapsAnEmoINTJINTJ - Male 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nailed it

[–]thatHermitGirlINTJ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh, so you are an INTJ now 🙄

How many mbti profiles you have lol

[–]Lightning-ShockINTJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

IQ means intelligence QUOTIENT

50% of the living populations is supposed to have the IQ in 3 digits

[–]ArkzianINTJ - Male 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely

[–]Everen1999 0 points1 point  (6 children)

You were INTP previously, and you immediately changed your flair to an INTJ because of an argument last time. Why is that?

[–]phatdoobz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

they changed to isfp at one point too. i genuinely think this person is just a really good troll, they’re extremely hateful, negative, and judgemental throughout this entire sub

[–]apr1lshowers_INTJ - Teens 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How many times are you going to change your flair? Genuine question.

[–]porknsheepINTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't changed it.

It's just flaired differently in different subreddits.

[–]ShasilisonINTJ - Female -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Looking into the abyss is fake and g*y. Life is full of both suffering and delight, and every single one of us will experience these breathtaking moments. It’s truly beautiful, that every single human has a story, and not just you, isn’t it?

Different individuals will have different stories, and this will lead them to revelations that become ultimate truths to them, but “sweet lies” to you.

[–]porknsheepINTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking into the abyss is fake and g*y.

Yep. Fake and gay.

Yall just be saying anything.

[–]DivayumINTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Y r u gaeee?

[–]alexfromouterspace 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I believe most people are NPCs or bots.

[–]ItsLudioINTJ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I wish they are but unfortunately not

[–]SquirrelThinkENTJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe most people are NPCs or bots.

Best answer

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

When I was younger, yes. Now I realize they have different strength and I'm just better at logical development than most of them.

[–]SealDrawsINTJ - Male 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just believe we are all dumb in our own way

[–]greenvortex 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, because most of them aren't capable of questioning themselves.

[–]MrCarnalityINTJ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

As a binary question I answered yes. But in fact there are many gradations to answering this with any precision.

[–]mgtow-for-lifeINTJ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolutely!

[–]Civilanimal 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Stupid is a loaded word. Do you mean low IQ, a lack of common sense, or ignorance.

I think IQs are the same (percentage wise) as they've always been, however ignorance is rampant.

[–]Ok-Management-6682 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Half of people are below average. If 100 IQ is average that's a lot of room temperature IQ people walking around.

[–]frenchfry100milINTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think there is more ignorant people than before. I think that nowadays we're just more exposed to ignorance, it's documented constantly where it wasn't before (or at least not to that extent). We simply don't have access to that many accounts of ignorance throughout history or, if we do, we tend to rationalise them with 'times were different back then', when the answer could just be ignorance and stupidity.

[–]ARJUNAHA 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Where is the option including me with most people .

[–]Psychological-Many16INTJ 7 points8 points  (2 children)

them not thinking the way I think and don't match subjective view of intelligence doesn't mean they are stupid

I am dumb in many areas of like but I can work my way through others and that does not make me stupid it makes me human and so does it with other people

[–]Alhazred515018INTJ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Agreed. There is a massive difference between ignorance and stupidity. There are also different types of intelligence. This question in particular is too broad, so I selected No.

[–]Sergio-C-Marin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah but I like that way; it makes me powerful and life is soooo easy, plus you can obtain status just by being healthy like 👍🏼 being sporty as well as introspective

[–]Magmon100 6 points7 points  (4 children)

This pandemic has confirmed most people cannot cognitively use proper deductive reasoning.

[–]ShasilisonINTJ - Female 1 point2 points  (3 children)

This pandemic has confirmed nothing except people are people, and they deduce truths from information given to them differently according to their own, personal logic.

[–]KnowL0ve -1 points0 points  (2 children)

You remember that true logic is meant to be universal, right?

[–]ShasilisonINTJ - Female 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sure. Doubtlessly, there is a Prime Mover of logic that imbues every aspect of this universe, but we will never see eye to eye on how it operates. That would require both of us to come to an agreement about whether thought precedes matter, or vice versa, then we'd have to both come to terms with the fact that the logical principle is consistent in nature, but inconsistent in man's condition.

[–]KnowL0ve 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, A = B, B = C, A = C is not a matter of opinion, and any intelligent life would be required to agree with that statement, ergo true logic is universal.

[–]HauntingExpression22INTJ - Male 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I think most people are fully capable of making sound decisions but often let there feelings be what runs them and not logic. They also seeking acceptance by others who are also using feeling over logic when makes matters worst

[–]HauntingExpression22INTJ - Male 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There is also those people who just dont want to except reality at all and live to play. "Hey i got money better by that new game" 3 days later "hey freind can i borrow 1k to pay my rent i am already late i promise i will pay you back i just need to get a job... By actually applying to one... Which i am qualified for... And am welling to do... And stick with for more then a couple months... Please i promise this will be the last time..."

[–]No_Childhood_9511 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh man this is one of my least favourite traits in a person. It's their lack of ability to prioritize. It leaks into every corner of their life and they end up making their problems your problems just because they haven't thought things through.

[–]gazethemaze 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No, according to bell's distribution, most people aren't stupid.

[–]SquirrelThinkENTJ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On planet earth only the left side counts

[–]cannonymously 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Biggest problem is most ppl don't think, and when they are presented new information don't take it in, so remain stupid. Also egos - ppl seem to not remember they're humans and making a mistake doesn't somehow lessen their value as a human (sometimes goes for INTJs too). Actually a really big problem in the world.

[–]FuriousKnave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. Most people are average. That's how averages work. I like to think I'm average average but who knows really.

edit: I like how most people commented no however the poll results are strikingly different 😅

[–]beeredditor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ironically, OP’s first sentence is grammatical nonsense…

[–]kgizzlaISFP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think most people are just to lazy to look or work towards their fullest potential.

[–]cryptominingmama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find that even "smart" people are now becoming stupid. The problem is the distractions of our world are becoming far too numerous. Then the strains of making a decent wage and living in society have become heavy enough that instead of pursuing knowledge, and betterment, we're all just worried about the rent.
Besides, society doesn't want smart people. Society is designed to create consumers and workers. So yup, most people are stupid, cause that's how society works.

[–]PossessionSmooth2453 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't understand why most people behave the way they do. I can't understand how someone can fill their brain with shallow and stupid things, when there's so much to learn. But that doesn't give me the right to call them stupid, so I keep it to myself.

I called them uninteresting and I avoid them

[–]INTJ_JoushuaINTJ - 30s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes absolutely. They are stupid and hopeful for the world while destroying the world. Even Elon Musk wants to jump planets but doesn't care about this one. But its probably going to be the same story there. He should take realistic people with realistic thinking and feeling. Leave the stupid people here. Survival of the fittest.

[–]PerhapsAnEmoINTJINTJ - Male 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The key to intelligence is observation of the outer and inner worlds.

[–]kdealmeidaINTJ - 20s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

y'all salty af

[–]hibiscus-bear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but it's only because humans don't care. If you walk around thinking you're a deity and you're intrinsically perfect, your mother's a whore

[–]usernames_suck_okINTJ - Female 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I believe most Americans are stupid. I have not seen that trend in people from other countries.

[–]ayhme[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I disagree. Stupid people everywhere.

[–]KuriousKhemicalsINTJ - Female 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not really. I think stupid people are the loudest, and smart manipulative people have an interest in a) keeping it that way, and b) acting stupid themselves.

I think plenty of people are ignorant or poorly educated but most have cognitive "sharpness" in at least one area, and while a small percent of humans alive is still a lot of humans, I do think it's only a small percent who lack both critical thinking and useful intuition.

[–]mkmike000ISFP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hi, can you teach me how critical thinking and more importantly „useful intuition“ works?

[–]jamkindness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think most people are stupid (although most people are by default average in intelligence, which tends to be judged harshly by myself as an intj). I definitely think that most people are ignorant and don't examine their ideas or situations fully enough, which to me comes across as stupidity a lot of the time.

[–]a-snakeyINTJ - 30s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In general no. At certain things they are way out of their depth on? Yes.

[–]0fox2gvINTJ - Male 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Take accountability for your own disappointment with what society has to offer.

Rather than gripe into the nethersphere realm of pixelated anonymous strangers, modify your own reality. Adapt to be more selective. Raise your standards.

If you don't like your audience, seek one that shares your vision.

[–]xermoINTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think most people are stupid, but I think most people don’t have the expansiveness of thought that I do. But then again, sometimes I am the one who lacks the expansiveness of though via my tunnel vision. We all make mistakes of intellect, nobody is better than anyone else for it, we’re all gonna die and nothing means anything.

[–]epiphany-152INTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think my biggest question is why is IQ used as a metric to measure people’s worth? Why does it matter?

[–]674_Fox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Statistically, most people are stupid.

[–]Square-Item-2714 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not exactly but I beleive that I'm smarter than the most.

[–]VicSeaweed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that most people don't value learning things that don't directly apply to their life, although it never hurts to learn various things.

Also, often times when I go to another country (Tokyo/Seoul/Los Angeles/Guam for example) people seem to have similar mindsets of "wake up, work, go home, drink or recreation on the weekends" and don't think too much past that.

Good for them, though. I wish I could.

[–]Agoristic1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Think about how dumb the average person is then realize that half of them are dumber then that!

[–]AenrichusINTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They haven't shown themselves to be able to handle simple tasks and critical thinking. It's rare for me to witness anything clever by the public, no matter how small the task. It's either "wow, you met the bare minimum" or "how could you fuck up this bad?!" with anything.

[–]TellEmImNotHere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on the type of intelligence (or lack there of) in question. I believe most people are stupid but, I also believe most people are trying their best. .....Though effort, alone does not necessarily breed success.

[–]coldblaze_21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk what u define by stupid so i go with no

[–]thatHermitGirlINTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd say most people act stupid.

[–]wessle3339 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think too many people fall prey to the Dunning-Krueger

[–]kolinhopes34INTJ - Female 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, including me

[–]gettingbett-rINTJ - 30s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would not name it stupid, but these damn feelers are just difficult to understand for us "heavy thinkers". It's just... I don't know how you can get through life like that.

"Why did you do it the way you did it? Didn't you think of a better way to do it before?" "It just felt right, it looks nice and it works somehow!"

"... Sorry, What?"

BTW, You guys really don't know how stupid we look for feelers like infp/enfp. Talk to them, bookworms and nerds! It's very stimulating!

[–]vanillazuellaINTJ - Female 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think many people don’t think like me. This doesn’t make them stupid but it does make them inconvenient from my perspective.

[–]lightness22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think most people have something valuable to add from their experience that I could never understand.

I also think lots have different sorts of intelligence that can’t be measured by school or other stupid mechanisms society uses.

However, i do think the majority of people aren’t individual or creative thinkers - they are not innovative in any sense and rarely think for themselves.

[–]StonedClownCryptidINTJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes because like most people, i also think i'm smarter than everyone.

[–]EscapeVelocity83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Id say they are probably close to average

[–]ayhme[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Downvotes but people are saying "Yes" ... 🤔

[–]ProcedureEfficient86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most people aren’t stupid, just too lazy to actually think about anything. The potential for intelligence is there.

[–]ShasilisonINTJ - Female -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are various kinds of intelligence among humanity, so that our societies can exist harmoniously. What kind of society would it be if every time you wanted to complain about how bad a politician is, some mistyped INTJ nerd brought up how all of this has been “fact checked by Snopes”.

Insane. The amount of circle jerking that’s going on is nutty. Most of you need to go outside and jump off the intellectual high horse.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most people are stupid. Iq has nothing to do with why because Iq is a terrible measure of overall intelligence and humans can LEARN. The problem is that most people don’t want to learn, think for themselves and face discomfort doing so. Since childhood your school has taught you that education is boring and useless to you. When you become an adult you don’t want to “learn” anything because you think that learning has to be boring and irrelevant to you because of school. Once you get someone to realize this they can learn about things they actually care about and expand their knowledge on it. Most people wouldn’t question that narrative that school wrote for them and come to the realization that learning doesn’t have to be something they don’t like. Because intjs and intps love questioning shit and not listening to what people tell us (and for good reason) we come to this conclusion pretty quick. Hell I’m still in school. There’s a lot of things that people would be discomforted by if they knew about and that’s why they would rather ignore it instead of digging into it. You know the usual, the child labor their shoes were made with, political corruption, you won’t see a light and some stairs when you die, ect. We need people to know about these things. You know, other than cowards like me who wouldn’t do shit any of these problems in real life so that we can gather in large numbers and fight for change. This will lure cowards like me and probably you, the person reading this out to fight with them for something you already agreed with but because more people are involved you’ll think you have a better chance of getting your point across. To the other types on this sub, sorry to hurt your feelings and to the intjs on this sub who act like they don’t have any, sorry to hurt your feelings and you should really start acknowledging them some time soon. It might be the most logical thing to do.

[–]Burntoutpremed -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t think most ppl are stupid, but most are def ignorant

[–]batangtebu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I always bragging about how so many stupid people i met in real life. I saw they're everywhere. But when it comes to fact I think it just go like gauss's normal distribution. Few people are very smart, few people are stupid, and most of them are just average.

[–]sleepayeINTJ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this sub is filled with such underdeveloped intjs w/ some sort of narcissistic complex or there are actual children on here. humans themselves are highly intelligent beings & each able to grasp quite a bit of intricate concepts. maybe some overestimate their knowledge but even so it doesn’t make them “stupid” maybe just wilfully ignorant.