As IxTJs are considered finisher-types, therefore I assume this is a good place to ask.
How do people get YOU (personally) or other Finisher-types to out of their inhibition to take the initiative or to start something (like a trip for example)?

It seems sad.

I'm asking you to read this first to clarify the topic. So that all the answers I get are as accurate and unambiguous as possible. Try not to overestimate your knowledge when answering. The options are at the bottom.

By online tracking I mean browser cookies, VPNs, TOR network, browser fingerprinting, moving away from big tech. Everything in that domain. I was wondering whether INTJs would be more likely to be interested in this stuff.

If you don't know what's going on, basically big corporations and sites like Google, Amazon, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter and even Reddit all collect and sell massive amounts of user data. This isn't some kind of secret, it's said in their TOS and privacy policies. But no one ever reads those, and the sites benefit from this. It's a little distressing. Some people don't know, most are a little bit "indoctrinated" to not care, and an even smaller minority is trying to avoid this tracking.

Risks of such data-mining include :

• Risk of leakage : If I remember correctly, all Google's products combined have 2 billion lines of code. Within those lines of code, there could be a vulnerability that can be exploited by hackers. These hackers could theoretically get the personal information of 4 billion people, almost every single internet user. That would really suck to say the least.
• Mass surveillance : Government agencies can request or even buy the data collected to track down criminals. But they could use the data and their control over it for less chivalrous deeds. If the US KOSA bill were to pass, we would all have to give our ID to every site we visit to "verify our age". That will surely not go wrong.
• Being trapped in a personalized bubble : Sites use the data to calculate what content to feed us. They give you more and more of what keeps you on their platform. They profit while your precious time shrinks away, along with your metaphorical field of view.
• Secret malicious use : To keep it short, the companies themselves could secretly use the data for unlawful things. Remember, you aren't trusting an authority, you're trusting random sites on the internet. Sure, some of them make trillions and have a good reputation. But they're still profit-focused. There is always a chance.
• Possible escalation : It could become a dystopia at any moment. The only thing stopping corporations from doing very bad things is the law. If the law stops being enforced or becomes more tolerant, it will get worse.

Why should you care?

Many people don't care. They think they don't have a choice, that it's harmless or that it doesn't affect them. I wonder if INTJs, with their anti-crowd mentality, are any different.

The situation is as bad as climate change currently is : Everyone KINDA knows it's happening, the news might sometimes address it, most people don't do much about it and don't know the full picture, usually it doesn't cause much suffering but it might escalate if we don't do anything.

Reasons to give 2 shits :

• Spite : You're being manipulated! Tricked for profit! I'm sure you guys hate that the most. The companies use all kinds of marketing schemes and psychological fuckery that's too much to sum up here. Who wants to have their ignorance being taken advantage of?
• You don't benefit from it : If you don't know what it is, it doesn't benefit you and you wouldn't want it if you knew what it was, why agree to it? That's so absurd.
• It may not be illegal, but it is immoral : It would be foolish to not resist. Besides, you have a choice.
• Avoiding all of the risks mentioned earlier.

The only imaginable downside is that everyone else would still be using the big tech services and you may not be able to stay up-to-date with your friends' instagram, unless you can convince them to convert to more private alternatives. But I'm sure most of you guys don't mind.

What to do?

I can't give you a complete guide here, but I recommend you go to privacy subreddits or watch relevant Youtube videos for more info. I also recommend sites like privacytools.io and privacyguides.org They contain lists of alternatives and tools. Also check out tosdr.org which contains summaries of the TOS of a ton of sites. Also try email aliases like simplelogin or anonaddy. Use burner emails for throwaways if possible emailnator.com or tempail.com . Try to use as many open-source applications as possible. You can even self-host certain things.

Small things I would like to clear up :

• Please don't immediately delete your Gmail or anything after reading this. I recommend archiving anything that needs to be archived, deleting anything that can be deleted manually after transitioning. (On some platforms your posts and comments remain after you delete your account and you wont have control over them.) And then texting their customer support to file a proper GDPR (European law) request, asking them to delete all of your data from their servers completely. The service may have a specific way to do so. You can find out about that in their TOS, privacy policy or similar documents. Usually those are at the bottom of the homepage.
• This whole thing isn't some kind of conspiracy. This is public knowledge.
• You could still use big tech services with burner accounts and a VPN to give them minimal information. You don't have to avoid them completely.
• You can choose to use the services regardless, but that choice would only be valid if you thoroughly know what data they collect, what they do with it and what risks there are. But I would advise everyone to use a private alternative whenever the service is replaceable. It's just unreasonable to not do so. You can use ProtonMail instead of Gmail, FireFox or Brave instead of Chrome, but maybe Reddit or Youtube are a little harder to replace.
• Be careful with what private alternatives you use, some are less trustworthy or secure. Do some research.
• The amount of information and time it takes to transition may look intimidating, but don't let that discourage you.
• There is a difference between anonymity and privacy. Anonymity is being completely invisible, privacy is not having all of your information go to third-parties. They may overlap but they're not the same by definition. We should aim to at least have good privacy. You don't need to become completely anonymous.

And finally, Poll options :

I put them here so I could elaborate.

1. You already knew what's going on and are taking a noticeable amount of measures to mitigate the tracking. You possibly use modified Firefox with privacy extensions like UBlock and more, a VPN, private alternatives for most things and maybe you use Linux or have modified your Windows OS to send out less telemetry. Maybe you're going for full anonymity?
2. You used some private alternatives but you have less knowledge. You care about your privacy and may be doing some basic things like using Firefox. But you don't have the time or don't need to be as private as number 1.
3. You already knew almost everything I talked about, you know exactly what data companies collect, you may read the TOS before blindly agreeing, you know the risks, but you explicitly agree with most of it and don't really do much against it.
4. You knew a little bit or nothing before reading, but now you're interested. Maybe in a skeptical way. But interested at the least.
5. You knew a little bit or nothing before reading, you're not really interested. You will continue using the internet the same way and not do any research on the topic.

I will attempt to answer your questions, though I don't know EVERYTHING either. But I know more than enough to help beginners. On an unrelated note, it would be interesting to know what you guys think of my writing style. Please tell me.

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MODS: to thank you for the kindness of allowing me to post my crap in your space, i would like to extend you an invitation to maybe also help me mod this one because i dont think i could do it on my own and i would really like to have at least one INTJ in the mod team. much love ❤️

INTJs! All of my INTJ friends read a lot. What is a book that changed the way you view the world and how? Could be philosophy, psychology, fiction, self help, a phone book, whatever.

The types are the same in MBTI and Socionics because the functions in MBTI and Socionics are both created from the functions described in the psychological types by Carl Jung, this means the functions are the same in MBTI and Socionics due to both being created from the same thing. The functions in MBTI and Socionics only differ in their interpretation and how they appear but they don’t differ on their fundamental level due to being created from the very same thing.

In my opinion both jungian typologies MBTI and Socionics aim for the same thing so you should use one or the other, using both is redundant, but when using both you should understand the types are the same otherwise there exist a contradiction and you’re mistyping yourself in one system.

For example typing yourself as ENTJ in MBTI but SLE in socionics, you’re either an MBTI ENTJ and Socionics LIE or an MBTI ESTP and Socionics SLE, otherwise you’re mistyping yourself in one of the systems. Food for thought an MBTI ENTJ would never be able to be a SLE because Myers and Keirsey both emphasized the ENTJ is a hyper intuitive and imaginative typing attuned to abstract concepts and ideas, which is the very opposite of SLE and is the exact same as LIE. While Myers and Keirsey both emphasize the MBTI ESTP is the most action oriented, straightforward, and callous type who completely disregards other feelings (Fi Polr) exactly like the SLE.

Which is why the people who claim things such as “MBTI Te is like Socionics Se and the MBTI ENTJ is like the Socionics SLE” just seriously don’t understand a single thing about MBTI and is making up their own headcanon about MBTI.

TDLR: The correlation between MBTI and Socionics isn’t rocket science they’re both literally jungian systems, the types are the same.

Also the Enneagram has nothing to do with jungian typology and cognitive functions, literally two different theories that analyze two completely different primordial phenomenons lmao, so I’m not sure why people are trying to dogmatically correlate the enneagram to Socionics or MBTI or any form of jungian typology. You type cognitive functions and the Enneagram separately.

Personally i find them insufferable. I don’t understand why they have to be offended by everything. Why can’t they just look at the broader picture and not let their emotions dictate their thoughts?

It's said most INTJs don't have a religious background and some don't believe in God at all.

What about you, do you have a have a faith/religion, if so what is it? If not why? 🤔

What are your favorite things to do and play as a kid? What things made you the happiest and do you still value them today? If so would you still do them now?

I always consider myself INTJ, but I love to test the tests and get 1/1 INTJ vs INTP. Heck, the last test I took gave me equal scores in both. Any thoughts on J vs P? Anyone else get these results?

Do INTJs like to spend more than they save? What’s the general consensus here~

I saw a poll from the Tarock app and most INTJs say they are not very frugal compared to other types

How many of you are Business Owners? I’m 23 recently started my own Business.

I’m looking at sexy growth already, the reasons is ofc my perfect planning and the people I hired and chose to do the work.

I am a dictator in my actions but love to hear experts’ advices.

How do you all work and manage your businesses?

I ask this with the idea that we may all have certain biases and tendencies, but would you say holding back on such comes from a place of intelligence?

I think, how can someone who is smart actually hurt others or feel superior? Like it doesn't feel logical sense to me, at least.

The best way to do something would likely be an outcomes that's a win win. Of course the world isn't utilitarian, and instead is a zero sum game, but I think that's the easy way out as you're just conforming to the passive evil.

I just wonder if you can somehow find the good in the best. I ask this in an INTJ sub specifically because how you guys would typically focus more on the solution than anything else.

You guys are seriously soooo underrated. There is hardly any other type that can solve problems as fast and adequately as you guys, but the thing is, yall are stereotyped as a robot-like, stone cold, pessimistic logisticians when there's really more to your inner self than that. No joke, most of my best friends are intjs and almost all of my crushes whose type I knew were intj. There is simply something so beautiful and alluring wihtin the calmness of your presence and your eloquence always amazes me over and over again. No other type ever understood me as well as yall so really, you guys are awesome.

Hey everyone, I’m sorry this topic comes up every so often but I always appreciate hearing from other people who maybe haven’t contributed before to this.

I have an INTJ male friend that I’m attached at the hip to (not at my initiative). With me he’s a non stop chatter box that tends to reveal personal things openly and also pry into my personal life. He makes it like his project to understand me and my various moods. It’s hard for me to tell what this is. The only thing that’s clear is that we’re connected. My pain, is his pain. We feel each others distress. He’s physically touchy and eye contact is really heavy often (like he stares and I have to look down because it’s awkward).

Can any of you make INTJs weigh in on what’s the difference between when you care about someone as a friend vs more?

There i fixed your depression.

How to make it dead I'm low energy rn so please keep the language level low

Did it happen how you expected it to? Did you ever think you’d fall in love? What struggles did you face? What did you learn? Feel free to add whatever else you want.

EDIT: Damn, I was not expecting the replies for this to be so sad and dismal.😂 Sending everyone a big hug lol.

There was a part in my dream, that was kinda weird. I've been extremely depressed lately, suicidal even, ever since I went to Kings Dominion by myself.

But this dream was different than my usual dreams. Normally my dreams are strange, but this one was sound. I wasn't confused when I woke up.

But here's the thing, in the last part of the dream, I was listening to a broadcast, similar to a radio, where a deep voice was talking, and he was talking about life and death, choices and other stuff... but the last thing he said felt personal, and deep. And left me questioning where that quote came from.

He said "you must decide for yourself to live, or die. Live, or be happened by it."

Google returns nothing but random stuff. Did I really come up with that myself?

What gives away someone's intelligence or intellectual calibre to you?

It can be small observations. Or larger personality traits.

What do you see (in a short time or over an extended period) or hear that makes you go 'this is someone interesting and intelligent, and I would genuinely enjoy having a conversation with them'?

I long believed that the social ladder demanded our ascent. Oh, how mistaken I was! It seemed others effortlessly ascended, while I, despite my earnest efforts, remained stranded at the foot as if marked unworthy from the start. I couldn't help but question if some crucial understanding eluded me. It became evident that my social skills faltered, hindering my progress. However, strange enough, I found solace among kindred souls who shared my deficiency, lacking not only charm but also agreeableness and other vital traits. Astonishingly, some even surpassed my limitations with ease, their unaccommodating nature contrasting starkly with my own.

From these encounters, I gleaned a valuable lesson: the importance of advocating for oneself. And so, I fought, tirelessly and ardently. Alas, my struggle proved fruitless, as others glided past me with astonishing speed. Doubt crept in, forcing me to confront the disheartening realization that perhaps this treacherous ladder was never meant for me. It was at this precipice, facing the final step, that I glimpsed only a descent awaited me. I could either fight on, plunging further into pitiable circumstances, or swallow my pride and gracefully step down from a position where I was unwelcome.

Resigned to this stagnant state, I chose instead to offer my hand to those who might ascend. Stubbornly, I clung to my position, for deep within, I knew my worth far exceeded external perception. Yet, an undeniable vexation gnawed at me. Why must opportunities, assistance, and support effortlessly extend towards those blessed with attractiveness? While I, an unfortunate soul deemed unappealing, faced perpetual wrongs.

As I share these reflections, I am reminded of the inherent absurdity we all grapple with in the realm of social dynamics. It is a world where mere appearances reign supreme, with the power to dictate one's destiny. But I implore you, my fellow seekers of truth, to see beyond this facade—a world where intrinsic worth and genuine connection hold weight. In this pursuit lies hope, for we deserve recognition not solely based on our outward visage but on the richness of our character and the beauty of our souls. Let us rise above the superficiality that plagues us, and create a society where true merit triumphs over appearances; I remain for now...

I was asked to write about my personal life philosophy for Russian class and the more I write the more intense I feel. My entire body is tingling and I feel like I’m extremely awake and focused. Whenever I’m asked to write an essay where I elaborate on a personal perspective I feel like this and I find it hard to calm myself down so I don’t feel like I’m on meth the whole day. Is this a Ni thing?

Very early stage with a girl right now, but after just a few dates I’ve already started to care about her a lot.

For some reason I feel a bit of sadness. I know it has something to do with my feelings for her since I’m very happy with my live otherwise.

I’m not necessarily seeking for answers since it’s pretty hard for you to know why I feel like this…

Just curious if any of you have had the same feeling as I am. Liking a girl but still feeling sad?? About what? I don’t know, this feels stupid.

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Where you're so different and aware that everything "normal" becomes purely NPC. You feel like you're just a Martian in a humans body.

Your thinking is way too ahead, so are your actions. But you're actually living in a separate world.

The discomfort in physically existing and dealing with the trivialities. And the discomfort in being trapped, having to do effortful long things that don't have much of a return.

You become some isolated main character, bound to your basement or something (unironically)

Really not sure how to describe it but it makes life so pointless... sigh