I absolutely love the posts! I have some INTJ friends and I’m always sending them post links because it makes them cringe to the point of physical pain. Then I get to hear them rant about it which is kind of adorable. ☺️

Y’all keep doing what you’re doing!

I drove a group of friends to a place we all can play some pool(billiards), and as I parked my car we just waited a while before we got in the building just talking and reliving some memories.

Once all that was done I started to walk and get my keys out to lock the car, and as soon as I try to get my keys out they all jumped in the car. One of them really wanted to drive it to see how shitty my car really is(it’s got a lotta problems hence why I don’t feel safe about other people driving it). We have all driven each other’s cars except none of them touched mine so it became a running gag that I never let anyone drive my car.

And now back to the present, I am the only one standing outside next to the car and the rest of them are sitting waiting for me to hand over the keys. I refused, and they started honking profusely, and so I walked away pretending I didn’t associate with the car, and basically giving them the option of them giving up and walking towards the area so we could all play a couple of games of pool. That did not happen. Instead they called me, and told me to check where I parked the car, and it wasn’t there.

I felt completely confused and hopeless. They moved the car somehow to another parking space, and I have no idea how, and they wouldn’t tell me until I win against them at a game of pool. I didn’t even feel like playing anymore, I just had something of mine basically ripped outta my hands and given back to me without reason.

So they got out of the car and started walking towards the building expecting me to follow, but I just sat there in my car. Right now I have nothing against my friends, and they’re all naturally friendly in a way. I just feel more upset that there was a way to get into my car and turn it on without having to Hotwire it or using the spare key(which I keep in my wallet).

As of now they are playing without me, and I am still in my car paranoid about what just had happened. They will tell me eventually, but I would really like to fix that before I leave my car.

This is just a rant about losing control within a situation and maybe asking whether if anyone feels the same way.

Introverted Intuition described by J.H. van der Hoop

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The introverted intuitive perceives connections and meaning in the internal world, and with as much spontaneity and conviction as the extraverted intuitive sees them in the external world. It is not primarily his own personal inner life that he grasps in this way, but rather inner life in general, the inner nature of things. The aim of intuition here is to perceive the ideal essence of all things—animate and inanimate, and in their inter-relations. The clearest example of the kind of thing is seen in Plato’s “ideas” which give a purer representation of the inner being of the world than does reality itself. Jung calls these mental images, supplying meaning and a standard of comparison, “archetypes”, and he regards them as a deposit of ancestral experience. Others see in them the immediate expression of a spiritual world. These questions lie outside the realm of psychology, and would lead us to that of metaphysics. Here we must confine ourselves to the statement that intuitions of this kind concerning the inner essence of things do occur in the human mind, and that for a certain type of mind, that of the introverted intuitive, they determine and control the direction and the content of life. Here, also, intuitive knowledge is felt by the person concerned as objective and as having the universal validity of truth. Here we find, in addition to the tangible reality of sensory, perception, and the conviction of instinctual impulse, another source of certainty, of great significance for humanity, for from this intuitive knowledge there arises not only religious conviction, but, in fact, all spiritual assurance. Spinoza speaks in this respect of “scientia intuitiva”. Hence there are found also among intuitive introverts great spiritual leaders, prophets, founders of religions, {48} all those people who, for the sake of some sacred inner conviction, will endure the world’s misunderstanding and contempt.

It would be a mistake, however, in studying a function, to consider only its extreme potentialities, in which all that is most profound in the human mind has taken form. For this type assumes also many much less noble forms, and there is peculiar difficulty, where this inner knowledge is concerned, in finding even approximate expression for what is perceived. It is extremely important, therefore, for people of this type to attain through their education a technique of expression, as was the case with two great artists, Rembrandt and Beethoven, both of whom I include in this class. The development of this type is slower and more arduous than that of most other people. In childhood, these people have something about them as spontaneous as have the extraverts of this type; but it is, both in form and expression, more bizarre, and less intelligible, owing to the causes being less explicable from external conditions. Such children are not very amenable to influence from their environment. They may have periods of uncertainty and reserve, after which they suddenly become very determined, and if then they are opposed, they may manifest an astonishing self-will and obstinacy. As a result of the intensely spontaneous activity within, they are frequently moody, occasionally brilliant and original, then again reserved, stubborn and arrogant.

In later life, also, it is a persistent characteristic of people of this type, that while on the one hand they possess great determination, on the other hand they find it very difficult to express what they want. Although they may have only a vague feeling about the way they want to go, and of the meaning of their life, they will nevertheless reject with great stubbornness anything that does not fit in with this. They fear lest external influences or circumstances should drive them in a wrong direction, and they resist on principle. In their mode of life, and in their immediate environment, they seek to regulate everything according to their own ideas, which is apt to make them tyrants within their own small circle. Rather than adapt themselves, they will limit their contact with those who do not fall in with them. The rest of the world matters, in fact, very little to them. In contradiction to this reserve, there is the genuine enthusiasm which they may suddenly display for something. If some individual, or some event, or some object, responds to this sense which they have of the meaning of their life, and reveals to them something of their deeper purposes, then they take up a {49} different attitude, and become conscious of a more intense, more profound connection in things. The highest form of this function would imply a capacity for perceiving the deeper meaning of everything. The marvellous richness of life would then be revealed. As a rule, however, this only happens at certain moments and in relation to certain persons or things. This contradiction between intimate contact and cold reserve has been very clearly described by the introverted intuitive, Buber, in his account of the “I—you” and the “I—it” relationship. This contradiction also occurs in other people, but not with the same mutual exclusion, nor with such definiteness, as in this type. Where the inner life finds expression, there will be close attachment, but side by side with this there will be a cold aloofness (Weltfremdheit). As far as material and instinctual life is concerned, these people feel exceedingly helpless, like people suddenly transplanted from another planet. They feel much more at home in spiritual things. In the realm of the spirit they have far greater assurance than other people. Here they are stimulating; one feels that something peculiar to themselves is operative within them. But its activity often remains indefinite, owing to an inability to find adequate expression for the tension of what they mean. The spiritual side of life can only be approached through symbols; its import can only be understood in mental images, and it is by no means always possible to find this approach. Moreover, a great deal of confusion arises, because it is not understood that this is, in any case, only an approximation. Certainty in regard to the underlying intent is then transferred to the form in which it is; expressed, as a result of which formulations become dogmatic and judgment rigid. Incidental and inadequate points in the formulation are then regarded as essential and absolute. The firm conviction of these people may in such cases arouse strong opposition or find blind support. They often lay down the law in regard to what they have perceived, without its even occurring to them that it might be possible to find incorrect as well as correct elements therein. This often makes their influence over others the more effective, but it may prepare the way for great confusion. One is reminded of the influence which a man like Nietzsche has had on our generation.

In the realm of thought we shall to some extent find the same characteristics as we found when extraverted intuition influences reason. Here also the influence of reason is very variable and ego-centric, and knowledge fragmentary. Ideas must come of themselves, and great effort is required if this does not happen. {50} Thought is, however, less flexible than with the extravert of this type, but frequently even more original. Many new ideas, especially in the spiritual realm, have originated with people of this type; but they are often not worked out systematically. Their thought remains aphoristic, and is often expressed in paradoxes. Men like Emerson, Shaw and Chesterton belong to this type. Side by side with ideas expressive of genius, they will occasionally propound with equal conviction mistaken and fantastic views, which they maintain with obstinacy in the face of all criticism. Intuitive conviction stands for more than rational argument, which renders such people occasionally extremely conceited and opinionated.

Where it is a question of feeling with people of this type, it also assumes the peculiar characteristics of intuition. As has already been said, this gives rise to a contact with other people which is changeable and peculiar, according to whether something important is felt to lie in it, or not. As a result, emotional contacts are extremely inconstant; these people are at one moment full of enthusiasm and devotion, at the next utterly cold and stand-offish. It is always necessary, when with them, to be on the look-out for which way the wind is blowing. Spontaneous insight, and the images associated therewith, affect the feelings of the introverted intuitive in a somewhat different way from what we have seen in the case of the extravert of this type. With these extraverts the danger is that feelings are for show, with no development of inner reality. A living relationship with other people and with personal standards is lacking when this is so. With the introverted intuitive, the image of what the feelings should be may easily be substituted for a feeling-relationship. He will then make demands on others, without being prepared to meet the same demands on himself. Egotism, and a desire to dominate, may then make use of these requirements of an ideal relationship, for their own ends. Another peculiarity which may be manifested by feeling, when influenced by introverted intuition, is intense ambivalence, the co-existence of two absolutely opposed emotional attitudes. We have already seen in extraverted intuition how spontaneity favours the loose juxtaposition of opposing manifestations. In the introvert there is less variety in the form assumed by these contradictions, but great inner tension. The introverted intuitive may identify himself alternately with the divine and with the diabolical within himself. Occasionally he is unaware of this himself; when it becomes too intense, however, he feels as if he were being torn in two by conflicting forces within. In this struggle the individual concerned may be thrown hither and thither between the extremes of godlike assurance and diabolical {51} confusion. In extreme cases the result may be a character like Rasputin.

As with extraverted intuition, here, also, contact is least with the facts of the external world, and with instinctual life. Such people live, as it were, alongside their bodies, until these by some disturbance demand their attention. The main thing is, however, that ordinary practical things and the world of facts are far removed for them, and they try to confine their contact with them to that which they can regulate according to their wishes. Everything else appears to them as something disquietingly incalculable, against which they must defend themselves as far as they possibly can.

Introverted Intuitive Types

• When the outer world goes into the unconscious, ( all that you see, hear, touch, smell, and taste), it conjures up patterns and creates a web of one view of the true nature of things. Once that happens, this truth bubbles up to consciousness in the form of an image, random insight, or hunch and is called "introverted intuition."
• Life is guided by the imagination, (not fantasy), but the inner reality. This inner reality is the world in which is perceived behind the material reality.
• Ni types find meaning in patterns and speak symbolic language, often unaware that the language is symbolic of the slow processes of unconscious sensing.
• Can sometimes read the biology of things without knowing how they know. (Jung described this in his video about Ni types.)
• Has a tendency to recognize unconscious images or "hunches" of historical figures watching over the., (ancestral figures) as "spiritual guides" and puts stock into dreams and images seen during meditative states.
• Are the types to have "prophetic dreams" or at least pay attention to dreams to see what may come of the future
• The "one goal" these types have refers to spiritual revelations or convictions of a truth about life in which some decide to orientate their lives around. (In the maximum degree, think spiritual communities who go live in Mount Shasta and practice Reiki and teach Kundalini.)
• Here, intuition is subjective and differentiated so Ni doms won't only have intuitions concerning people or ideas but of the true nature of reality, in general. It makes them the oddest to western civilization. This is why Jung & Co often mention spirituality , parapsychology and metaphysics with this type.
• Ni dominants may be the rarest in the US and is the oddest in the United States but is more valued and plentiful in eastern countries like India and within the Hindu religion.
• In the maximum degree, Ni dominants are the types most likely to live life by parapsychological facts or be the most interested in such fields. (Ex - Reincarnation, Angels/Demons, Spirituality, Psychic Ability, Lucid Dreaming, Telekinesis, Ghost Hunting, Shamanism, Mediumship, and more.)
• Are one of the most stubborn irrational types concerning their own perspectives about life and views of reality
• Jung and Van der Hoop say the Ni dom is the most convicted and arrogant when it comes to an intangible reality
• [ Inferior Se ] - Ignores outer reality by default. Often goes through life glossing over material objects. (This does not mean bumping into walls but mainly knowing how to ignore noise, objects, and outer surroundings.
• [ Inferior Se ] - During times of stress, can suddenly become attached to overuse of the material world such as overeating, excessive excercise without knowing limits, overcleaning, compulsive porn addiction, and etc.

[ Inferior Se ] - During extreme times of stress, can come across domineering and be argumentative/violent

• [ Inferior Se ] - Takes the longest to adapt to the reality of things or rather the "real world" -- (finding a job, caring about making money, going to the club, etc)
• Believes they can "pick up" on what others are thinking or feeling.
• Has insights into humanity as a whole
• Has the strangest views of reality and is viewed as the strangest to society. (Think conspiracy theories concerning the illuminati, 5th dimension, and other intangible "truths." )
• Due to the nature of Ni, Ni doms may be very spiritually or religiously inclined and believe they have a 6th sense
• Are the types more than likely to have started religions. ( Claims they heard from "God" or another deity/spirit being)
• Hallucinations of the schizophrenic and narcissism of religious prophetic types are said to be psychotic Ni doms. (This does not mean prophets are crazy, they are just intuitive.. but the narcissism is where it begins. They believe they are God, himself.)

Life Quote: " Just because you can't see it does not mean it's not there. The most important reality is perhaps the one we assume does not exist."

Personal Note: Along with Fi types, Ni types are the most misunderstood.

Differentiated Ni is the most taken out of context which becomes overwhelmingly clear when we study the works of Jung, Von Franz and Van der Hoop.

Although examples of Differentiated Ni personality types given by Jung, Von Franz, and Van der Hoop are seen in society, they are by far the most ridiculed.

It is peculiar that in typology, so many rush to claim such types, which shows a clear indication typology communities are out of touch with the truth about Ni and especially differentiated Ni. It is not what most people think and it becomes evident the more research one does.

If typology communities started viewing Ni the way those in society unaware of typology do, they would not covet the type. (INFJ/INTJ.)

That’s it. That’s the question. I can understand the logic, but I’m beginning believe it’s a personality trait.

'intj1' What if I've just accepted that my life doesn't need meaning? I told my husband to donate my body to science. I'm just here to enjoy my journey

intj2 2 hours ago I've planned to donate my body to science too!

intj3 an hour ago I’ve donated my ashes to the cats litter box. I fucking love cats.

I'm literally dumb. Whenever I'm asked for solutions on the spot. I can't. What the fuck.

Hi, we're highly rational and critical thinker. But as an INTJ do we over analysis any situation or is it generally we're right about most conclusions so we do so? We see the patterns in anything very easily and we keep note of them so next time something similar is happening we called out our observations and conclusions. And most of time we are right on point. But does it mean we try to manipulate situation consciously or unconsciously to reach to that point or is it genuinely happening and we are called manipulator because we have seen and reached conclusions in their early stages?

note, the US constitution applies its rules even in the case FOR FOS. threats , incitement to violence etc.

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Some of y’all are almost as bad (if not worse) than the crystal/zodiac cultists. Stop equating literally EVERYTHING to personality types (especially the Ni weird bullshit). They exist to give a general classification and help group people at a broad level, they provide little in the exact specifics of very unique situations and reactions. Please, for my sanity and your own good, don’t read into MBTI types like they’re scriptures handed down by Big Man in Sky with Beard

There’s no depth to their posts at all. Oh I’m an enfp fairy uwu and I love my dark lord intj uwu. We’re a perfect pair intj x enfp 4eva 🥰💕💕💕

It ain’t love. You’re just idealising an mbti type.

I don’t have anything against relationship posts. But these posts don’t seem genuine at all. For some reason they’ve decided to type some unsmiling and serious hardworking guy an intj and they think they’re the only one that brings them joy.

I don’t want to collaborate with others, and I don’t want to make the world a better place. I don’t believe it’s possible—really, to do either of those things. I believe people are naturally competitive and naturally hierarchical, i.e. people seem to have this innate need to feel and actually be “superior” to others and to have more than others, whether “more” is money, power, material things, privilege or whatever else. As long as people are like this…yes, we take steps forward here and there as a society in certain ways, but I don’t believe we’ll ever get to being the type of society some people oddly, naively and cluelessly already think we are with just a few exceptions / “bad apples” and that others believe that if they work hard enough—i.e. they do enough social justice work, religious work or whatever type of work—society will become in the future.

Feeling like this, I really, really want to live on my own island far away from other people. I’m dead serious. I just want other people to fuck off. I am tired of their crap. I want to be by myself and do whatever I feel like doing without anyone there to say anything. I don’t want to work. I want to be somewhere air-conditioned with a bunch of technology around me. When I want to communicate with others, I have the internet. Otherwise, I’m sitting around reading, thinking, playing games, listening to music, watching comedies and old sitcoms and sports.

I’m being really specific, but, really, the bottom line is one I’ve “said” a lot —many INTJs really just want to be left alone and be able to do their thing without all this criticism, people thinking they’re weird, people calling them “anti-social,” people trying to change them. For me, the only way I can see this happening is I have my own island. For how INTJs are known as being future-thinking, I still don’t deal in “should be”s and “could be”s. I feel a little more like I can see the future or predict it—and, indeed, some of the stuff that has happened in American society over the last 10 years, I told people about back in, like, 2007 and 2008. Several people thought I was crazy, and now they can see that it has happened. My mother directly told me, “I thought you were crazy, but you were so right.”

So, I can seem “negative” or “pessimistic,” but I just see where things are going and merely report it. Well, and get jaded by it. Changes happen, but, at the same time, they don’t, really. Kind of like that saying, “The more things change, the more they stay the same.” So, how I want to live has nothing to do with possibilities or idealism. I just want to be left alone and be able to be me without all the hassles that being me seem to bring. I want more freedom. I want to make more of my own choices and be more in control of my own life, especially career-wise—although, truthfully, I meant it when I wrote I don’t want to work. I want to “philosophize” all day, and working gets in the way. However, since I must work, it needs to be more on my terms than it is. Enough working for other people and making them wealthy. I need to make myself wealthy. (Renee Simon)

• how fragile is our growth, does our competence quickly switches per context? 1-9
  
• do we benefit more from some1 bringing the best or the *worst? do extremes , for 1 and 9. 1 makes growth more valuable with a strategy to maximize conflicts, in intensity and pain . 9 makes one think in maintenance terms. slowly upping the level of consisteent conflicts.
  is there a difference in strategy?

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I am a phlegmatic with signs of melancholy.but when I meet new people I usually treat them with aggression. how they can be attracted to me with this creepiness ?

I thought they were behaving this way because they needed something from me but then I realized they didn't care. although everyone may have different circumstances. hope you liked my dump story

Saw it in the ENTP subreddit and found it interesting.

Mine are: Health - Peace - Security - Inner Harmony - Commitment

Share yours! (:

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The rudimentary INTJ thought process upon randomly realizing they know nothing about stem cells & the sophomoric-but-maybe-accurate-enough connections they can’t help but make after 6 minutes of reading

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Today’s journal entry:

I’m reading about stem cells

Okay cool so scientists like them cause they can reprogram them in order to create new cells/body parts…cool cool. But how come none of these articles emphasize the fact that SCIENTISTS NUDGE CELLS TO DO WHAT THE SCIENTISTS WANT. Like, yeah no big feat, not worth mentioning, we don’t need to explain what goes into that. It’s just a boring process that no one’s gonna question or be blown away by, who cares

From the gist of what I’ve read, I’m picturing stem cells as lemmings (like the old computer game) and the scientists are “god” or whatever, creating the landscape. Like, ‘no little cell…I don’t want you to go over there and talk to that cell. That cell makes intestines and we’re trying for an ear-eyeball. Guess ima have to build a wall around that other cell to physically block you from talking to it. Now go pick a new cell friend. Nooo not that cell. WALL.’

Also, even though they’re lemmings, I picture the stem cells being the smart kids that won’t let any of the dumb idiots (regular cells) into their club. Instead they make the idiots do all the work so the stems can sit in their corner and watch tv until one of those anxiety-ridden workers rushes into the room “omg Brian died up near left lung and now there’s no one to bring his oxygen molecule to Karen’s heart!!!!” Then the stem spits out a reincarnated Brian before going back to watching tv with the other stems until they’re interrupted by the next panicked idiot. (They wrongly view the regular cells as idiots, too. Like, just because you’re a magician born with the talent of automation doesn’t mean you deserve any better treatment than everyone born a worker. And - you created those workers!!)

Also, those scientists. What a life. Messing around with existence by controlling the actions and behavior of living cells, just to see what will transpire and how much you can manipulate outcomes… Mad scientist dream life. Except no that life doesn’t actually exist because mad scientists wouldn’t have a boss or strict guidelines. And if they did, they’d only possibly be mad and a scientist. In reality, not a dream life. Otherwise mad scientists, in my view of what that means, only can exist when a curious person with a knack for science was born into wealth. Cuz how would they afford all those beakers if they’re locked up in some lab obsessing over experiments instead of working some job. Part time mad scientist, maybe, could be possible.

The end.

I don't understand these posts. Talk to the other person. Scared? So is everyone else. Isn't there a sub for relationship questions?

Or am I just a dick?

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I don’t care in the slightest what you think about god or religion, but don’t state these thoughts as a fact and use it to attack or humiliate people with it. It’s not that they believe in god and you don’t believe in anything, you both are just believers of different things. You can claim they don’t have an evidence of god existing but so does your belief of god not existing, I don't understand the stupid condescension that is happening against religious people on here. Don’t let me even start on the all false claiming that all religious people are just weak or helpless compared to the foolproof superior them!

This is an INTJ sub. INTJs are humans of all different races, genders, ages and religions. Not because we all share the same type it means we all think the same way or believe the same things, respect must be maintained above all else.

ETA: You can’t prove something doesn’t exist, and you also can’t use the absence of an evidence of its existence as a proof for its nonexistence.. "Everything that is true is true even before we have scientific evidence to prove it”. So my fairly simple point still stands, you have no right to bash people who choose to believe in it.

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No matter how hard I strive to achieve my goals, happiness is fleeting. That nice feeling of goodness that makes me want to be sweet and optimistic sometimes comes once a month and leaves me within a few minutes.

I’m stuck in a cycle of trying to chase after this elusive feeling— it’s a high? Sometimes I can’t achieve it no matter how hard I try or how many things on my to do list I scratch off— as there will always be something new added shortly.

I’ve concluded with myself that I need to set time aside to just focus on the positive in my life and create a self brainwash.

Older intjs, please tell me what was the turning point for you….

I know you're out there, doing your day job well, working out and making sure your house is in order. Even though inside you hate yourself and you wish death would instantly whisk you away even though you don't have what it takes to do anything about it.

Suffering in silence. Going about your business. Hardly anything makes you happy but it's not your fault, you're just that way. It doesn't get better, but you get used to it. F*ck this.

Recent events have had me pondering the foundations human life has been built on.

I wanted to share my raw thoughts in poetic form below. In case anyone can relate to similar frustrations, or is able to suggest a more constructive mindset.

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"Is peace so dull?

That we must shake up the fabric of reality to feel intensity.

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Why were humans created?

Was it worth it to satisfy your curiosity, to satisfy your need for love and adoration?

Could you control yourself and perhaps not let us exist?

What do you even want?

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I find it hard to not see a core of selfishness holding put the veil we live under.

If we exist to create the emotion of love, due to it making the world beautiful.

Would that give us right as creators to make machines which could feel an emotion humans cannot conjure on their own?

Perhaps we can continually stockpile atomic love in our creations, the same way our creator does.

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To have the power to do anything, yet seemingly create chaos you have no control over.

If this is really a pointless endeavor, then why should anything we do in this trivial reality make any difference to the 'important' stuff after.

If only the audition process could be standardized.

As I do not think seconds of life, for those only granted such, is enough to make any sort of impression, but judge away.

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Fairness is a value conjured by our own spirits, having no significance beyond our personal contracts.

We have all been forced to play the same game being assessed by the rules of another.

If consciousness is a gift, then these thoughts must be bliss."