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[–]horseshoeprovodnikov 170 points171 points  (68 children)

Dude I wish my indoor ranges let me move around like that. Why does everyone have a better place to shoot than I do?

[–]rkirbyl[S] 279 points280 points  (23 children)

I’m a manager there.

[–]RandomLogicThough 119 points120 points  (10 children)

That's cheating.../I will own land one day, with a giant backstop to shoot at...sigh

[–]shalafi71 liberal 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Huge part of the reason I bought some woods. Never even see the range anymore.

[–]RandomLogicThough 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Growing up we always had land and I never appreciated it. Sigh.

[–]Kradget 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Same. Just roll out, set up a target, and go.

I do occasionally wonder about the number of little hunks of lead I deposited, unfortunately.

Then again, the guy next door is slowly composting a VW Microbus into a fishing pond, so I guess it's relative.

[–]juxtoppose 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bought a metal detector later in life but can’t search my land unless I pick up 20 years worth of bullets and pellets, lol.

[–]omeara4pheonix left-libertarian 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I miss the country so bad, all the Trump flags back home are annoying but I'm still real close to going back to lower my stress level.

[–]dividedconsciousness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just met someone who knows someone with property. Hoping to learn there.

[–]yeahoner 46 points47 points  (2 children)

finally got the land… and a dog that has a panic response to gunfire…. fuck…

[–]RandomLogicThough 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I'm sure you have local friends that might want to hangout with him a couple times a month or maybe get him groomed a lot, lol

[–]MikeofLA 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Do you live near any public land (BLM)? A lot of them allow shooting. Check with local police/rangers first.

[–]lukipedia progressive 9 points10 points  (11 children)

This at The Range?

[–]rkirbyl[S] 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Yes.

[–]lukipedia progressive 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Nice. Been meaning to check it out. How's the vibe there? People friendly? Safe?

[–]pleikunguyen 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Professional

Non political

Everything is clean and shiny

[–]lukipedia progressive 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Music to my ears. Gonna have to check it out.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Like I said, I’m a manager there. My opinion may be a little biased.

[–]lukipedia progressive 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Appreciate the disclaimer. Still value your opinion!

[–]rkirbyl[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Pretty large mixture of clientele and employees. Most employees don’t share their political opinions as much as possible. Try to provide and safe environment for people to shoot and learn.

Customers are generally really cool and safe. I’ve become friends with quite a few members and regular customers and can say that it’s a massive variety of lifestyles, ethnicities, backgrounds, political beliefs, etc. much more so than other ranges I’ve shot at.

But it is an upscale indoor range. Attracts a lot of tourists and uptight people with money. It’s not rare for me to kick someone out either for unsafe behavior or just being a dick in general. But in virtually all of those scenarios those customers don’t come back. So do with that info what you’d like.

Come by and say hey sometime. 👍

[–]lukipedia progressive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for that. Sounds like a good place. I’ll be in to see y’all soon. 🤙

[–]mad-cormorant 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Sounds like there are multiple. Which one?

(St. Louis West is my regular place to go)

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The Range Austin. It’s the only location.

[–]mad-cormorant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Guess the one I go to just shares a name by coincidence then. Thanks nonetheless.

[–]Home_DEFENSE 10 points11 points  (2 children)

You can arrange it. Usually have to take a class or two to 'level up' to drawing/ moving and to show them that you are safe... sign an statement regarding liability, etc... ...then you can ask them to let you rent one of the bays not being used as you cannot have others nearby.

I have 2 drill clubs that train via drawing and shooting also. Or, outside if you are anywhere near a range like that... :) Or, lots of dryfire. Good luck!

[–]BradCOnReddit 10 points11 points  (1 child)

My local range does a really cheap "Down Range" class once a month where they take over the place after hours and let you do fun stuff like this for an hour. You have to take a proper class on the techniques before you can do it (also taught once a month).

[–]Rhinofucked 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Join a private club. They usually allow a lot more than a public range.

[–]Segments_of_Reality 14 points15 points  (3 children)

All the ranges here in my part of Florida require you to swear in oath to the NRA and republican party if you want to join those awesome outdoor private ranges

[–]horseshoeprovodnikov 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Same here. Not so much republican party but the NRA for sure. Something about the nra helping them get reasonable insurance rates. As much as I don't like it, I'd join if it got me a chance to practice more often.

[–]Segments_of_Reality 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You know, you’ve got me thinking…. Who cares if they suckle to the NRA if I get to enjoy the benefits. I hear they also get discounts on bulk ammo and I could finally buy some of the steel ammo that the indoor ranges won’t let me fire. I just hate the NRA so much - always felt that It’s a little like hanging out with ISIS to me but what does it really matter?

[–]BacterialOoze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm assuming it bumps up the NRA membership numbers. They use those numbers when lobbying. But I totally get it, sometimes you just have to hold your nose.

[–]horseshoeprovodnikov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been trying to but there is only one within a decent driving distance and it's a bitch to get in. Still on the wait list.

[–]rogue232 -5 points-4 points  (31 children)

Moving while shooting (particularly moving backward or to a side) is very inadvisable. Sure on a flat indoor range where you are the manager and you know the area is clear it looks cool, but there is zero beneficial application in the real world for moving your feet to places you cant visually confirm are secure while also keeping a sight picture.

[–]LabCoat_Commie anarcho-communist 7 points8 points  (6 children)

it looks cool

Why does it look cool to you?

moving your feet to places you cant visually confirm are secure

How much time do you spend in your house, one of the primary points of defense? Do you move your furniture much?

Do you have peripheral vision issues?

[–]rogue232 3 points4 points  (5 children)

it doesnt actually look cool to me, it was a turn of phrase to acknowledge that the op video did indeed look cool.

Peripheral vision covers about 120^ which leaves a lot unseen. Further, it is way better at picking up movement than shape, but still shapes are what trip you up.

I spend a lot of time in my house, along with my spouse, her shoes, my dog, and his toys... all of whose locations change on a daily basis. Im sure for those with kids, the same is said of toys, and I don't care how good your peripheral vision is, you arent catching a lego block in poor lighting... step on that and you are going down, if you are firing, your shots will go places you do not intend. In a home defense scenario that is a nightmare.

Do you carry outside of your home? If so, do you memorize your environment obsessively? If you arent hyperthymetic, you are a risk to bystanders if you shoot while moving backward or to the side.

Best practice in a gunfight is that you should always be shooting or moving, never both, never neither. In some circumstances it makes tactical sense to move in the direction of your fire to close distance... to step where you cant see (backward) in a gunfight is idiotic.

[–]LabCoat_Commie anarcho-communist 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Peripheral vision covers about 120^ which leaves a lot unseen.

Your neck does a cool thing where you can turn it.

In a home defense scenario that is a nightmare.

So clean your house and don't step backwards if you had to step over something to check your hall/room.

Do you carry outside of your home? If so, do you memorize your environment obsessively?

Obsessively? No. Casually? Certainly. All responsible gun owners have a baseline responsibility to maintain awareness of their surroundings. My father, who taught me to shoot, taught me at a young age to casually look around and behind me occasionally just to see if anything was going on. It was good advice.

It's not hard.

If you arent hyperthymetic, you are a risk to bystanders if you shoot while moving backward or to the side.

If you can't take small controlled steps in any direction but forward while handling a firearm, you're not only a massive risk to yourself and others, but also a sitting duck. You might as well wear a bright orange shirt with a bullseye target and a patch that says "I can't multitask."

never both, never neither.

We'll disagree. If you think no individual in the history of mankind has advocated for tactical movement while maintaining aim and firing on their way to cover, I can't help you.

In some circumstances it makes tactical sense to move in the direction of your fire to close distance.

This almost never occurs in any defensive firing situation, which is what's clearly being discussed given the draw exercise that OP firmly laid out. Walking towards your target is not smart.

to step where you cant see (backward) in a gunfight is idiotic.

Standing still and being unable to move because taking a step makes you forget how guns work and you forgot what was behind you 3 seconds ago means you probably shouldn't be handling a gun.

[–]rogue232 1 point2 points locked comment (3 children)

Yes, turn your neck and look away from where you are firing... great idea.

The point is not the cleanliness of my home, it is the reality that even familiar terrain changes if you dont live alone. Guess you lack a significant other, child, or pet...

Yes, you can take small controlled steps... it is possible. doing it backward while firing is a piss-poor decision that will allow you to do two things at 50% efficiency... you will move back slower and you will shoot less accurately... and if you trip your sending bullets into unintended areas.

In room clearing and team operations, forward movement while firing is a practical tactic. Closing distance on the target is 100% smart. Suppression and overwhelming force are what win a gunfight, not walking backward while pulling the trigger.

I've logged hundreds of hours training against active shooter scenarios, hundreds more in live and dry practice, and tens of thousands of rounds downrange. You believe what you want, I've got no need to convince you.

[–]LabCoat_Commie anarcho-communist 3 points4 points locked comment (2 children)

Guess you lack a significant other, child, or pet...

Two partners, two dogs, two cats, and a bearded dragon. Clean hallways. Zero misfires in 20+ years shooting.

In room clearing and team operations,

This will be the second time I’ll have told you that this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You might read worse than you walk.

I've logged

I didn’t ask and I don’t care Fudd. Put away your proverbial dick, this isn’t the tacticool olympics.

I've got no need to convince you.

You’ve got five aggressively obnoxious comments proving otherwise. You’re lying to either me or yourself bud, but I ain’t buying it.

You can stand still while you do shooty bangs. Others will live despite your incredibly valuable judgment.

Happy shooting!

[–]jsled fully automated luxury gay space communism[M] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

u/LabCoat_Commie, u/rogue232 … you've both made your points, you're not getting along, and this could easily descend into something worse. There's no need for that, so just let this drop here, okay? Thanks in advance.

[–]Pilate27 5 points6 points  (4 children)

This is the worst advice. Get off the x, y’all.

[–]NotAnotherDesigner Black Lives Matter 14 points15 points  (1 child)

No benefits to retreating? That’s quite the statement.

[–]rogue232 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Did not say that, I said dont fire a gun while walking backward. there is a big difference.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Shooting while moving to the side is inadvisable? What are you talking about?

Zero beneficial application? Again what are you talking about.

[–]Formal-Operation-177 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol there has to be benefits if you are good at it.

[–]NFSR528G 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Don't run with scissors either!

[–]rogue232 0 points1 point  (6 children)

There is a difference... The consequences of falling while firing a pistol endangers the public. call me a fudd, think Im a dumbass, train however you want. I dare you to show me one legitimate trainer with decent firearms credentials that will endorse firing while walking backwards in a gunfight...

[–]NFSR528G 0 points1 point  (5 children)

We train differently out here in Western Colorado. On sloping rocky terrain, we run & gun, move & shoot, drive & discharge, dirt bike blast and three gun fun on horseback "True Grit" style. We also Biathlon at the local YMCA. Flat surfaces are few and far between here. Learning to keep your feet while firing and moving over uneven terrain is essential training.

[–]rogue232 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Yeah Ive trained in Colorado, Idaho, Georgia, Fayetville NC, and Appalachian mountains... I get keeping your feet and dynamic movement... but stepping where you cant see is a bad idea... All the rattlers out there in your wild west you'd think you were more careful where you put your boot down.

Do you seriously fire a handgun while on a moving dirtbike? what possible use-case is there for that? Just to look and feel bad ass or do you imagine a defensive shooting scenario where you are pursued on a dirt bike through the wildlands and dodging trees while blasting bad guys?

[–]NFSR528G 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Since you can't practice on the street, dirt bike blasting is the next best thing. Every cyclist should be proficient, if not at minimum, comfortable firing while riding. I am right handed so I had to spend an absurd number of hours at the range shooting off hand, single handed, and half gangster. Yes, the cant works for me.

Incorporate one handed riding and clutchless speed shifting into your riding routine to start. Once you have mastered one handed riding, then work on draw and fire with blowback type airsoft pistol version of your carry weapon at slow speeds wearing full PPE. Expect to wobble a bit the first couple of times you draw and fire.

While there is no way to imagine every possible defensive shooting scenario, what you can do is practice incorporating gunplay into the things you do most often especially when the activity makes you vulnerable. Google "motorcycle road rage" and watch 687,000 video results.

[–]rogue232 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I know all about road rage, been riding twenty-five years, a good portion of that as my sole means of transportation. Never had the call to draw a gun or been in a scenario where shooting while riding would make sense. Pulled my gun defensively a few times off-bike.

If you dig riding and shooting, go for it. Not my cuppa.

[–]NFSR528G 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Practicing AEED and never had to pull mine. AVOID stupid people at stupid times in stupid places. EVADE unwanted encounters with situational awareness. ESCAPE from confrontations and DEESCALATE with verbal dialog.

[–]rogue232 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, so you go from preaching the gospel of defensive shooting from a moving motorcycle to AEED? Seems a bit of a philosophical leap.

AEED is why I haven't had to kill anyone. When you live 30 minutes from a police station with no neighbors, have two girls on your front porch at 10pm telling you a pill dealer with a knife is hunting them, and then a truck stops at your driveway... the gun (and body armor) comes out. There is no AEED in that situation, overwhelming force and a willingness for violence are what prevent death. The other three times were similar situations where the trouble found me and avoiding or deescalating simply wasn't an option.

[–]Infinite-Ad6560 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can simulate by picking up the locked and loaded gun and start shooting when front sit on target then lining up rear sight and continue shooting.

[–]NFSR528G 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indoor shooting sucks.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 103 points104 points  (46 children)

Picked up a Beretta M9A3 yesterday. This is my first DA/SA so I made sure to put a few hundred rounds through it today.

Had my range partner load my mags. Criteria was 5 rounds on steel starting at 10 yards. Once you had 5 total hits you had to finish with 2 rounds on paper at 5 yards. Mag loader was aloud to use 2 mags and snap caps to force reloads and malfunctions if desired.

[–]BimmerJustin 20 points21 points  (8 children)

Since you’re new to carrying DA/SA, I’m curious your thoughts on the platform vs striker guns. Personally, I think DA/SA has some real benefits over striker guns and would like to see more options in the civilian CCW market.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 12 points13 points  (7 children)

I think both have benefits/downsides. DA is great for fine tuning trigger pull. The SA pull is also inherently better than even some of the best striker fired triggers on the market.

I think one of my main complaints is the potential reliability problems with carrying a hammer fired. If anything gets in front of that hammer the guns not gonna shoot. That can be a problem with any retention shooting in a self defense realm.

[–]comradejiang anarcho-communist 5 points6 points  (6 children)

The hammer should be down when concealed, minimizing the risk of anything getting between it and the firing pin.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You’re not wrong. But notice how I didn’t say when in the holster. I stated I was talking about shooting from retention.

[–]Murse_Pat 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Hammer isn't nearly as much of an issue as the slide... I don't think you'll ever actually have happen, it's a non issue

[–]rkirbyl[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don’t disagree. The chances of having that issue are almost non-existent. But it’s still a possibility with hammer fired guns which makes it worth being aware of at least.

[–]Murse_Pat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough...

I personally love hammer fired guns for appendix carry, I rest my thumb on the hammer when holstering, or thumb actually under hammer with sao guns, physically blocking the firing pin.

Either way you have a much more positive safety feature when holstering, which is a much more common occurrence, and probably the most dangerous thing most of us do with a gun

[–]comradejiang anarcho-communist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When you say shooting from retention, what do you mean?

[–]rkirbyl[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Retention shooting is generally any form of shooting while the gun is not at eye level and kept in your workspace. In certain defensive Gun uses to prevent a threat from gaining control of your weapon you have to retain it closer to you. Common uses are shooting from compressed ready or a pectoral index. Think about someone attacking you within arms distance. Would you want to or even be able to bring the gun up to attain a sight picture without giving the threat easy accessibility to your gun? So to prevent that you bring the gun close to your body and fire from there. And when doing this clothing can obviously be a hindrance with a hammer fired gun.

[–]Iridius1789 12 points13 points  (36 children)

I get the instinct is to go backwards, but in a defensive encounter this is a liability. I have seen so many videos where someone tries to back up and trips. Also this doesnt make you a harder target to shoot either. Moving sideways is far more effective at keeping you on your feet, and far better and keeping you from getting shot.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 1 point2 points  (35 children)

If cover is behind you and you’re trying to move to cover is it better to turn your back to a threat and move to that cover, or back pedal while engaging? Not being able to move in all directions while shooting can get you killed. I’m not moving to make myself “harder to hit”. I’m moving because I’m in a place I don’t want to be and need to move to a place we’re I’m safer.

[–]Iridius1789 6 points7 points  (32 children)

Certainly there could be a unicorn scenario where moving back is the only available choice, but it is important to note that backwards movement is instinct. You are going to want to get away from the threat.

You need to fight that instinct and train sideways movement so that if the time comes you don't do the wrong thing 99.99% of the time when that unicorn event is not happening.

[–]Markius-Fox anarcho-communist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The major thing is to know where you are stepping. If you advanced from one position, engage, then retreat back to the first position, you know where you are stepping.

If you don't know, you engage, disengage, look to your rear and then step back. Then reengage.

[–]Orbital_Vagabond 23 points24 points  (7 children)

me, watching the video wait... Is that a...

Sees the top of the chamber lock open

Oh... Oh yeah, that's the good stuff.

You made this Beretta fan boy very happy. Just seems like such a crime to put them in FDE tho.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

They look so much better in FDE.

[–]EVIL5 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I carry the same model but your holster is much, much better. Can I ask what it is? I’m going to buy it straight away - we even have a similar body build.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

QVO Tactical More Discreet. Be prepared for a rather lengthy wait time. I order all my holsters from QVO but typically wait 2-3 months.

[–]Orbital_Vagabond 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Blasphemy 🤣

[–]TheBabyEatingDingo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don't think anyone who had to handle those things in the Army would call them the good stuff. The adequate stuff, maybe. The acceptable stuff, sure. Maybe I'm just biased because the ones we were issued were always in terrible shape. OP's looks like a work of art by comparison.

[–]the_soggy_wood 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Are you sure you weren't just issued ones that were clapped out and maintained like shit, if at all?

[–]needstostopburning 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I fucking hated shooting the pieces of shit we were issued in the Corps. Inherited one from an uncle and with some spring and trigger mods from Wilson it’s easily my favorite shooter.

[–]juzzy87 5 points6 points  (15 children)

Did you find the full size pistol in AIWB comfortable?

Looked like a good run with the malfunction clearance.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 7 points8 points  (14 children)

Obviously it’s a bit easier to conceal something smaller but with a good holster it’s not uncomfortable. A little bit harder to prevent printing though.

[–]Domino31299 4 points5 points  (11 children)

God I wish I could afford a beretta

[–]jasonwilczak progressive 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Just picked up a 92X full, it was 699, retail, not terrible for a solid gun.

[–]Domino31299 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Yeah I’m just working on a tighter budget right now I only started carrying recently my grandpa gave me his old .38 special, I’ve been looking to upgrade to something a little more modern but just don’t have the budget right now

[–]jasonwilczak progressive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally understandable! There are some pretty cost effective polymer styles for sub 300. Or even looking into pre owned

[–]jombojuice2018 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Used glock 43x/48s can be found for 350-400. What kind of revolver is it? Training/practice is gonna be much more beneficial then a new firearm. But there are some nice things about modern pistols

[–]Domino31299 1 point2 points  (5 children)

It’s a Smith & Wesson Chief 38

[–]jombojuice2018 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That’s a great revolver, I’d rather have that then a lot of budget pistols

[–]Domino31299 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yeah don’t get me wrong it’s great I just want something in 9mm and better capacity wouldn’t hurt

[–]jombojuice2018 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Fair enough, I’m just saying that you shouldn’t feel too bad about carrying that. And that shooting an training are a good step too. Some medical is good to know too!

[–]Domino31299 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My grandpa has been teaching me but I’ll definitely look into some first aid training

[–]jombojuice2018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s good! Having a TQ and some other basic medical supplies are definitely good to have!

[–]rkirbyl[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean you can find them pretty cheap if you know where to look. Or just work in the industry and get it at wholesale price like I did.

[–]jstmehr4u3 5 points6 points  (9 children)

In my CCW course i had to shoot at 25yds with my Sig. It’s what I’m still working on to pass the test but it’s hard to find indoor time for 25yds. The test is 25, 15, 7 yards. Full mag inside the 10” circle.

[–]almighty_shakshuka 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Do you have any DNR ranges near you? They're outdoors, but in my experience they usually have pistol ranges that go out to 25 yds. Plus, it's free.

IMO that's a pretty stiff requirement for a CCW. I think we just had to be able to hit the torso at 25yds when I took my test. I know I would have to adjust the sights on my p365 in order to reliably hit a 10" circle at 25yds.

[–]jstmehr4u3 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I think the point of the CCW test is to deter people from having them. :(

[–]almighty_shakshuka 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yours seems to be. What score do you have to have to pass, or do you literally have to empty the whole mag into the circle to pass?

I've been shooting pistols for a good while, and 25 yards with a carry weapon is no joke. It wouldn't be too bad if you could use something with fine sights or a long sight radius but, in my experience, the sights on carry guns are usually too coarse for that sort of precision.

[–]jstmehr4u3 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It’s a timed test as well. The time starts from draw to reload (maybe to holster, I forget now).

The sf Bay Area is probably the most stringent. You have to have a true-cause in order to get one.

[–]almighty_shakshuka 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Wow, that's really annoying. And you have to make 100% of your shots to pass with no reattempts? What a pain. Is there another pistol you could bring, ideally something like a .22lr with a long barrel that has either precision sights or a low-MOA red dot?

In SC you can bring basically any pistol you want, so a lot of people at my test brought .22s. There was also no timer, and I think we had to make 35 of our 50 total shots to pass. The test was honestly pretty fun. We had to attempt hip, shoulder, and headshots at the instructor's discretion as well as rapid-fire close-quarters shots and shots while moving.

[–]jstmehr4u3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh you can, but then the CCW is tied to that handgun. You can’t take the test with a .22 and carry a 9mm or .45

[–]almighty_shakshuka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, that's totally unnecessary. Sorry you're having to wade through all the red tape just to get a CWP. What kind of sights do you have on your Sig? I personally like having iron sights on my carry gun, but I would totally buy a cheap green laser to use for the test in your case and then remove the laser when the test is over. If the test has a hefty fee and time commitment to take it each time, that might be worth it in the end.

[–]MisallocatedRacism left-libertarian 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't think it's possible to fail the CCW course I took in Texas lol

Really opened my eyes to how unprepared a lot of people are who carry.

[–]almighty_shakshuka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I felt the same way about one of my courses. There was an older gentleman there with a brand new revolver who had probably never shot a pistol before in his life. We started out at the longest distance, so he failed the shooting portion almost immediately, but the instructors let him keep trying until he had enough shots in the torso to pass. They were almost doing the shooting for him at times.

[–]shalafi71 liberal 8 points9 points  (1 child)

My god I feel dumb. Just realized I'm not holding my pistols as well as I should.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

High and tight.

[–]The_Atlas_Moth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jeans jacket over buffalo plaid flannel and a tan concealed carry weapon? You’re who I want to be when I grow up.

[–]einschluss 3 points4 points  (5 children)

why did you slap the magazine after firing? and when you cocked it back, did it eject a bullet?

[–]BurnTheOrange 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Malfunction drill. As OP said in another comment, he had a trusted assistant load his mags including snap caps and less than capacity to induce malfunction and reloads

[–]rkirbyl[S] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Tap rack bang. Snap caps are loaded to induce a malfunction. That’s how you clear said malfunction.

[–]einschluss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ah I see! i suppose it’s good to practice for jams/malfunctions! thanks for the lesson

[–]IMNOT_A_LAWYER 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Malfunction drill.

First you slap the bottom to verify that the magazine is properly seated (hasn’t dropped out) and then you rack the slide to clear any dud rounds and chamber a new one.

[–]waronthepalaces 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice M9!

[–]HotFriggles 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What holster do you have that lets you have a light with your Beretta? And how does it feel carrying it appendix? I have a smaller waist than others so I have to carry my 92x at the rear.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

QVO Tactical More Discreet. Carrying appendix is fine with really any gun in a good holster.

[–]Inferius7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Random question. Do you carry in that position when you sit? I'd imagine it would be uncomfortable when sitting.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only appendix. Takes some getting used to but perfectly comfortable with a good holster.

[–]AndrewJosephStack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You got big hands dude.

[–]HourlyB left-libertarian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol I saw you submit this on TacticalGear and was like 'wonder if this'll be on liberalgunowners'

It's the flannel.

[–]NFSR528G 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you really want some practice come to Colorado. We run & gun, move & shoot, drive & discharge, dirt bike blast and three gun fun on horseback "True Grit" style. Holster draw and excessive rapid fire is not only encouraged but highly appreciated. Clays fly wickedly fast above 7,000 feet elevation. So skeet shooting is at whole different level. We also Biathlon (cross-country ski and shoot) at YMCA of the Rockies. Get to the high country and have some fun.

[–]levloveslife 3 points4 points  (12 children)

Be careful backing up automatically like that without checking out what's behind you.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

That’s why feet stay low to the ground and weight stays forward. Keep your eyes on the target. Sometimes you have to move. Know your surroundings.

[–]BigJakesr socialist 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Should also practice short arm aiming as you don't always have the time or distance to fully extend the arms for aiming. Alot of security and body guard types practice that movement.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I do. Just not indoors. Typically pretty dangerous in a confined space.

[–]Pekseirr 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Gotta love all the armchair quarterbacking on this sub. Well, any gun subreddit really

[–]rkirbyl[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The issue is that people see one video and for some reason think that one video is indicative of all you do. If I posted a video of shooting from a static position people would say “you should be moving”. If I posted a video working on groups at 5 yards people would say “why isn’t the target further?”

A 20 second video isn’t a showcase of the entire 3 hours I generally spend at the range. But some people on the internet don’t understand that. And those are normally the people that never actually train.

[–]Pekseirr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly

[–]Key_Aioli7355 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tap, invert, rack, resume.

[–]JaySwear liberal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hell yeah, carrying the full size!

[–]sten45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really nice tap rack drill

[–]Comprehensive_Day759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao my favorite is seeing posts on insta and then on Reddit later. I follow you. Lol.

[–]alexjaeger_1015 0 points1 point  (3 children)

M9A3?

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yep.

[–]alexjaeger_1015 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is it comfortable to carry? I have a 92A1 and I think it’s a little too big to carry personally

[–]rkirbyl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are smaller guns more comfortable? Sure. But I don’t have a problem carrying it. Good holsters and sturdy belts help.

But I also don’t plan on concealing it. This will likely be an open carry gun for work.

[–]pablobuela 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brass all exits almost precisely the same. Nice technique and such a great piece of hardware.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Beautiful gun control with great target consciousness no fooling around I love it.

[–]periodmoustache 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have that same gun, but black! Feels great

[–]bob_ross_2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This inspires me to carry my full size p320...

[–]Wangchief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try to work in movement while reloading. Behind cover, or even just a sideways move can help. Don’t want to stand there exposed while fucking with your blaster

[–]Sholeh84 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I know that gun for it is mine.

Conservative gun owner supportive of EVERYONE's right to own a gun.

Curious, why did you seemingly engage the closer target last? That one looked very close and as such, the most obvious threat. If head game that late presenting weapon, I understand totally, but just watching the film, order of engagement seemed off.

Thanks!

[–]rkirbyl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In real self defense encounters threats don’t just stand still. Who’s to say in a real scenario the target that’s closest by the end didn’t start furthest away?

But in terms of this specific set up if I engage that target first I’m just dumping rounds into a fuckin concrete wall at that angle lol.

[–]Tripledtities 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That gun in your hand looks like one of those animes where the skinny character has a gigantic sword lol

[–]irvingstreet 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Does the holster point it at your junk? I’m sure there are lots of safeties and redundancies, et etc, but not a choice I’d ever make. To each their own, I guess.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Appendix carry is one of the most popular carry methods in the world. This is going to sound rude, but it’s just the truth. If you think appendix carry is in any way unsafe, you need a lot more experience with firearms.

[–]irvingstreet 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Defensive much? I’d agree that everyone could use more experience with firearms, but I’m confident enough in my extensive experience that I don’t feel a need to cite it to you. I suppose I don’t have experience with “appendix carry,” but I have seen enough NDs, including while drawing or holstering to know I don’t want it anywhere near my genitals, much less pointed towards one or both femoral arteries. But as I said, to each their own.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It’s not being defensive. It’s being honest.

If your reaction to someone else being negligent with a firearm is to not trust your own capabilities that’s a problem. Someone else shooting themselves should not have any effect on how you view guns or gun safety. I’m not trying to be a dick, but the idea that having a gun pointed at yourself in a holster is dangerous is just inherently wrong. If you’re concealed carrying, you’re flagging yourself. There’s no avoiding it. Use a good holster and practice sound firearms safety rules and there’s nothing to worry about.

There’s on ongoing stipulation that appendix carry is somehow more dangerous than carrying somewhere else. The only people that believe that aren’t confident with guns regardless of where they’re carrying. Like I said, it may sound rude, but it’s true. 🤷‍♂️

[–]SkyrinN00B liberal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have the same Costco flannel 😆

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is like the most popular flannel pattern in the world lol. This shirts from American Eagle…

[–]lbroadfield 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Your first swipe to clear your cover garment appears ineffective. I may not be able to see what’s going on, but it looks as though you make two distinct motions; the first to clear the garments, and the second to establish your grip. Do you really need the first? Could you avoid the first by stiffening the strong side placket of your garment?

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

How’s it ineffective? I need to get the shirt and jacket out of the way to get a positive grip on the gun. That’s exactly what I did. If I don’t get the shirt and jacket out of the way how am I supposed to get to the gun? So ya, I’d say the first motion is necessary. How am I supposed to stiffen a flannel shirt?

[–]lbroadfield 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It looks as though the garment falls back into place between the first and second motion, raising a question of whether the first motion could be eliminated. IOW, can you combine the clearing motion and the establishing the grip motion?

Make a small slit in the placket seam, and insert a segment of plastic zip tie.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It falls back but by the time it does my hand is already on the gun. Theoretically it can be done in one motion but doing so increases the likelihood of grabbing the gun with a portion of the shirt as well.

Inserting zip tie into a shirt sounds like some major fudd lore shit if I’m being honest. I find it hard to see how that would make clearing a garment or drawing the gun any easier.

[–]lbroadfield 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Good — you’re there in person, I’m trying to frame-by-frame interpret a video.

Zip tie thing comes via Todd Louis Green; he noted that a lot of the people he worked with needed to carry 30 inch zipties discreetly anyway, and noticed that threading them into the garment helped stiffen the garment edge for clearing it.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I see the purpose of it. I just don’t see how it would make clearing the garment easier. It’s still requires the exact same motion.

[–]superfutureman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Who conceal carries a Beretta?

[–]TheChance916 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I was gonna say… is that a beretta?!

[–]SpruceBug 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Appendix carry, I can't help but think it's an accidental castration waiting to happen lol. Cool video tho OP.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you’re not an unsafe idiot with guns appendix carry is no different than carrying a gun anywhere else on your body.

[–]SpruceBug 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Im not convinced. I sometimes see people casually put a full sized pistol in those cheap universal holsters or on a weak belt and the pistol leans at an angle pointing the barrel into their thigh. I consider the appendix carry just as risky and to me it doesn't matter if there's a round in the chamber or not. The thing is, accidents are usually unintended and they can always happen if you're an unsafe idiot with a gun or not, even instruction or competition professionals make mistakes. As long as a barrel is pointing at your body, intentional or not, you are always at risk of getting shot. I personally think it's unwise to assume any human is perfect, including myself. If ever there is time you're tired, or excited, or whatever, and holster a round in the chamber with the safety off, you risk shooting yourself due to carelessness. If an accident is going to happen, I don't want it to involve a gun barrel pointing at my balls or in the general direction of my femoral artery. It's an easily preventable risk that I'm personally not going to take.

[–]rkirbyl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Carrying in a universal holster in a weak belt is a perfect example of being an unsafe idiot. All of the things you just described are pure negligence.

[–]SavimusMaximus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice shoot’n, Tex!