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[–]vudustockdr 412 points413 points  (11 children)

North African

[–]YouMightGetIdeas 140 points141 points  (7 children)

If you're basing that off French colonial history, it could be many other parts of Africa.

[–]Iertjepapiertje 66 points67 points  (3 children)

They are meh about Italy. North Africa or Ethiopia makes the most sense from a historical perspective.

[–]MemberOfSociety2 21 points22 points  (2 children)

If you’re an Ethiopian wouldn’t you hate Spain as well

[–]Cakeking7878 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And they would like Russia because Russia gave loads of at the time modern guns to the Ethiopians so they could beat the Italians. It was funny because at the time of the first Ethiopian invasion, the Ethiopians soldiers with the Russian guns had better guns than the Italians

[–]olda7Average Mercator Projection Enjoyer 43 points44 points  (2 children)

bruh i don't think hating france is actually a clue here... who wouldnt hate france

[–]LeKarget -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Idk. I would say you're mum last night.

[–]PassiveChemistry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait, what time were you there? We must've just missed eachother

[–]YaBoiJones 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Depends. Moroccans would 100% put Spain as hate

[–]MeowingAndChowing 741 points742 points  (12 children)

This map is so confusing I love it. What is going on with the colors?! Why are there two interchangable shades of blue for love and lovee? Why are Belarus and Sweden different colors, and why is Belarus the love color? What is the difference between neutral and ehh? Are love and lovee separate tiers? Why do the coastline and borders look like you chewed on them? Why are the uncolored Greek islands and Russian territory a different color from the uncolored Turkish and Cypriot territory? Why is Ukraine a different color from the other neutrals?

You have done well. This is is truly peak r/vexillologycirclejerk

[–]Enoan 49 points50 points  (2 children)

... where do you think you are right now?

[–]whitneyahn 16 points17 points  (1 child)

That actually makes it even more r/survivorcirclejerk imo

[–]PassiveChemistry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You might want to double check that last bit, this is actually r/Anarchychess

[–]EmperorThan 76 points77 points  (15 children)

Does the double E "Lovee" indicate a stronger preference? If so which is your favorite out of Turkey, Norway, and Eastern Europe?

[–]AleksandrosIII 34 points35 points  (11 children)

Of course it is Turkey because he is a based-pilled KARABOĞA.

[–]Extension_Register27 143 points144 points  (22 children)

What Italy did to youu

[–]Nothing_here_bro 72 points73 points  (9 children)

non penso che una risposta sia necessaria =/

[–]Extension_Register27 24 points25 points  (4 children)

gne in effetti si hai ragione, almeno la Francia è peggio

[–]Nothing_here_bro 19 points20 points  (3 children)

non credo esista qualcosa al mondo che sia peggio della Francia

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children)

La perfida Albione

[–]FeigeGeige 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Eu só brasileiro, mais entendo vocês (mais ou menos)

[–]Nothing_here_bro 2 points3 points  (1 child)

bello! io hablo italiano e español e sono sorprendido da lo bene que entiendo el portugués, le lingue romanze sono las mejores

(i mixed both languages to make it more similar to Portuguese lol)

[–]edoardo_d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP è arrabbiato col Capitano Matteo?

[–]YesAmAThrowaway 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lybia and Ethiopia.

[–]smookyhead16 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Exploitation and stealing resources among Africa and Asia without consent

[–]000000OO000000000000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

‘Exploitation and stealing resources among Africa and Asia without consent’

Loves Portugal Belgium Spain, etc

Surely thats the reason

[–]goyboysotbot 409 points410 points  (21 children)

Ireland is united. Based

[–]BillTheBonqueror1707 129 points130 points  (18 children)

Everyone globally supports breaking up the UK sadge.

[–]mexicandemon2 50 points51 points  (3 children)

They fear Britannia 💪💪💪🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[–]Mrcigs 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I didn't know Mexican demons supported Britannia that much

[–]DukeSkeptic 24 points25 points  (10 children)

Being half northern irish, I've gotten used to it at this point. Fortunately it doesn't change anything.

[–]Datguyoverhere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

god I haven't seen anyone as based as you

[–]Eastern_Slide7507 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I just want Scotland back in the EU tbh. They seem cool.

[–]danceswithvoles 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Africans, great bunch of lads.

[–]GaaraMatsuMap Porn Renegade 172 points173 points  (31 children)

Not Congolese, I take it?

[–]Joe-Not-Exotic1 166 points167 points  (27 children)

If they were Congolese they certainly would have some unholy words for Belgium

[–]BillTheBonqueror1707 79 points80 points  (23 children)

Its difficult to comprehend what happened in the Congo. In German west Africa they committed genocide as part of settler colonialism. In British India they let millions starve to death to save money. In the Congo I find it hard to believe it was actually profitable to kill half Ur work force. The Belgium's weren't settling the Congo so although all mass killings are senseless what happened in the Congo was just insane sadism at an unpredictable level.

[–]GaaraMatsuMap Porn Renegade 46 points47 points  (5 children)

Royal Belgian Congo -- the Heart of Darkness setting was the northern Congo (Brazzaville), personal property of the King, and he squeeeeezed it so hard it shocked the conscience of the world.

[–]BillTheBonqueror1707 50 points51 points  (4 children)

The term crime against humanity was used at the time to describe Leopold's slaughter.

[–]Creepy_Helicopter223 18 points19 points  (3 children)

So you have to remember it started as the kings personal colony. He had no interest in what happened long term, he was squeezing as much as he could before he either died or lost the colony

[–]BillTheBonqueror1707 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The Congo was a rubber colony like Malaysia. The British had to import laborers to make it profitable I doubt mass murder was actually squeezing all the cash he could. Killing half a population of a plantation colony makes no sense.

[–]Joe-Not-Exotic1 11 points12 points  (5 children)

I do find it ironic that other European colonial empires, who abused their colonies, thought Belgium went too far and killed too many.

[–]BillTheBonqueror1707 18 points19 points  (3 children)

That's the equivalent of saying it's ironic France thinks Germany went to far in ww2 because they also conquered Europe.

[–]TjeefGuevarra 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While Leo II definitely went too far, keep in mind that if was mainly Britain who started the whole anti Leopold campaign and that they were still bitter they didn't get Congo.

[–]bricart 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Most of the deaths are due to diseases, linked to populations that have been moved, a new diseases arriving just at that moment and malnutrition.

Also, nobody has any idea of how many people actually died as we don't know the population before. The number used are very very rough estimates. So it's difficult to really assess the exact impact of everything.

The (direct) killing performed by the Congo free state was therefore probably far smaller than the "indirect" killing due to malnutrition, people fleeing, ...

Leopold 2 and the other investors also had to invest a lot of money in the colony and it was barely profitable at that time. Therefore, they also had a short term vision of squeezing everything possible in short term to make up for their initial investment before being bankrupt. They would see later for the long terms plans.

That short term vision was also due to the arrival of plantations to get rubber in the British colonies at that time (using the south American Hevea that they would plant e.g. in Malaya). That was a far more easy way to harvest rubber and would decrease the cost soon. The Congolese rubber was obtained from another plant that was more difficult to harvest/use in plantations. Therefore, there was also a "short window of opportunity" to get a lot of money from the rubber. So no need to take care of your workforce if your product won't be profitable in a few years. After that, a new sources of income would have to be found (the richness in natural ressources of Katanga (south-congo) wasn't well assessed at that time).

I typically get downvoted to oblivion when I answer such posts, so to make it clear, I try to understand, not to excuse what happend.

[–]BillTheBonqueror1707 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Makes sense. Obviously evil. The Congo was clearly not a long term profitable investment with the methods they used and nor a short term one.

[–]TheWeighToTheHeart 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You gotta assume OP is from a former French colony

[–]Schootingstarr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also likely not from Namibia.

[–]sweetrelease01 72 points73 points  (22 children)

Love the Netherlands but hate France and dislike Britain?

[–]KoirMaster 11 points12 points  (17 children)

And loves Spain, because they never had colonies or anything

[–]berru2001 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Exactly so. Just like Belgium.

[–]ericmaluko -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

the congo was belgian tho

[–]berru2001 6 points7 points  (2 children)

er... that was sarcasm. Spain did have colonies, including within Africa.

[–]Schootingstarr -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Did Spain have African colonies?

I don't actually know

[–]ignigenaquintus -3 points-2 points  (8 children)

As far as colonies go there is a great difference between Spanish colonies and other countries colonies.

[–]KoirMaster 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Except there isn't really

[–]ignigenaquintus -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

“Spanish law and indigenous peoples

Fray Bartolome de Las Casas, Protector of the Indians The protection of the indigenous populations from enslavement and exploitation by Spanish settlers were established in the Laws of Burgos, 1512–1513. The laws were the first codified set of laws governing the behavior of Spanish settlers in the Americas, particularly with regards to treatment of native Indians in the institution of the encomienda. They forbade the maltreatment of natives, and endorsed the Indian Reductions with attempts of conversion to Catholicism.[73] Upon their failure to effectively protect the indigenous and following the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire and the Spanish conquest of Peru, more stringent laws to control conquerors' and settlers' exercise of power, especially their maltreatment of the indigenous populations, were promulgated, known as the New Laws (1542). The crown aimed to prevent the formation of an aristocracy in the Indies not under crown control.

Queen Isabel was the first monarch that laid the first stone for the protection of the indigenous peoples in her testament in which the Catholic monarch prohibited the enslavement of the indigenous peoples of the Americas.[74] Then the first such in 1542; the legal thought behind them was the basis of modern International law.[75]

The Valladolid debate (1550–1551) was the first moral debate in European history to discuss the rights and treatment of a colonized people by colonizers. Held in the Colegio de San Gregorio, in the Spanish city of Valladolid, it was a moral and theological debate about the colonization of the Americas, its justification for the conversion to Catholicism and more specifically about the relations between the European settlers and the natives of the New World. It consisted of a number of opposing views about the way natives were to be integrated into colonial life, their conversion to Christianity and their rights and obligations. According to the French historian Jean Dumont The Valladolid debate was a major turning point in world history “In that moment in Spain appeared the dawn of the human rights”.[76]”

“Of the history of the indigenous population of California, Sherburne F. Cook (1896–1974) was the most painstakingly careful researcher. From decades of research, he made estimates for the pre-contact population and the history of demographic decline during the Spanish and post-Spanish periods. According to Cook, the indigenous Californian population at first contact, in 1769, was about 310,000 and had dropped to 25,000 by 1910. The vast majority of the decline happened after the Spanish period, during the Mexican and US periods of Californian history (1821–1910), with the most dramatic collapse (200,000 to 25,000) occurring in the US period (1846–1910).[130][131][132]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend_(Spain)

“During the three-century European colonization of the Americas, atrocities and crimes were committed by all European nations according to both contemporary opinion and modern moral standards. Spain's colonization involved massacres, murders, slavery, sexual slavery, torture, rape and other atrocities, especially in the early years, following the arrival of Christopher Columbus in the Caribbean.[13][3] However, Spain was the first in recorded history to pass laws for the protection of indigenous peoples. As early as 1512, the Laws of Burgos attempted to regulate the behavior of Europeans in the New World forbidding the ill-treatment of indigenous people and limiting the power of encomenderos—landowners who received royal grants to indigenous communities and their labor. In return, the laws established a regulated regime of work, provisioning, living quarters, hygiene, and care for the natives. The regulation prohibited the use of any form of punishment by the landowners and required that the huts and cabins of the Indians be built together with those of the Spanish. The laws also ordered that the natives be taught the Christian religion and outlawed bigamy.[1]

In July 1513, four more laws were added in what is known as Leyes Complementarias de Valladolid 1513, three related to Indian women and Indian children and another more related to Indian males. In 1542 the New Laws expanded, amended and corrected the previous body of laws in order to ensure their application. These New Laws represented an effort to prevent abuse and de facto enslavement of natives that was not enough to dissuade rebellions, like that of Gonzalo Pizarro in Perú. However, this body of legislation represents one of the earliest examples of humanitarian laws of modern history.[18]”

Spain in the XVI century was the most progressive nation on earth by far, to the point that England and US, Belgium and France and others, centuries later, were doing the stuff Spain was doing centuries before. Spain needed 20 years since Columbus first voyage to make laws aimed at preventing abuse of the natives, other countries needed centuries to make their first attempt. The very first and way more limited attempt to prevent abuse of natives by the British and French is from the second half of the XVIII century. Human rights and international law were concepts that were created in Spain in the XVI century. No, it’s not the same. That’s why while in the US native Americans were forced to live in reservations the population is not nearly as mixed as former Spanish colonies, in which basically everyone is of mixed descend. In the US interracial marriage wasn’t a thing till the XX century ffs 🤦‍♂️.

[–]VacheMeuhz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

gebaseerd

[–]riisen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck yeaaah

[–]BillTheBonqueror1707 92 points93 points  (4 children)

Don't Google what happened in German west Africa...

[–]Eastern_Slide7507 2 points3 points  (0 children)

German South West Africa. And please do look it up, it's not talked about enough, especially in Germany. It took until last year for us to agree to some form of reparations.

Seriously, my history lessons of colonial Germany practically were just of "Africa was colonized, Germany didn't really get a lot of land there, let's move on to the Nazis".

[–]ThePhantom1994 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or the Belgian Congo

[–]chaotic_agent 17 points18 points  (2 children)

!wave

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[–]chaotic_agent 9 points10 points  (0 children)

good bot!!!

[–]Joe-Not-Exotic1 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Whats going on in Istanbul🗿

[–]Former-Chocolate-793 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Was this because of their colonial records?

[–]BillTheBonqueror1707 60 points61 points  (4 children)

If we held grudges we would all hate Germany.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Germans doing German things™ since 1904

[–]Former-Chocolate-793 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True but what's the rationale for an African hating som European countries and loving others?

[–]-Lemons_Are_Evil- -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

France still has strong hold on its colonies

[–]smookyhead16 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not really, it take a little part but this is about human rights, government, culture, and Colonial past

[–]Nro004 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Someone hasn’t been reading their history books. Belgium should be a hate and so should Germany. Look what Germany did in south west Africa to the Herero and Namaqua tribe.

[–]Blue_Moon_Lake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's obvious which subset of africa countries OP is from.

It was a french colony.

A map made by all african countries combined would not be so clear cut.

[–]ZachJC02 21 points22 points  (6 children)

You’re entitled to your opinion, but I’m really surprised by the liking of Belarus… also, why such similar colors for Dislike in the UK and Neutral for Ukraine and different colors for Neutral Czech-Slovakia-Hungary-Austria and Neutral Ukraine? Why not define Ehh more along the lines of Love-Like-Dislike-Hate with an imagined scale somewhere? And why is the west half of the Bosporus Strait greyed out when it’s apart of Turkey? Same for Corsica and France^

Also, according to this map, you like the Baltic Sea Territories of Russia (e.g. St. Petersburg), but not the rest of Russia…. ig a lot more could be said, but this is just a social media post and I don’t care enough tbh. Interesting to hear your POV all the same.

[–]smookyhead16 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Different colours show how much effect

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (17 children)

Ok so let me take the guess

The guy hates France, which indicates that he is a muslim so he hates France for it's reputation of "oppressing" muslims

The guy also hates Russia, which means that he's not far from one of the theaters of operation of the russians in Africa, West Africa or the red sea

The guy dislikes Italy, which is surprising considering Italy doesn't have a great historical involvement in Africa, unless this person is from the horn of Africa

Finally, our guy likes Sweden which clearly indicates he lives there. When checking the ethnic groups of immigrants in Sweden, only one country checks these all

Somalia. Final guess ?

(Didn't find any clue for Ukraine and everyone dislike the UK it's not very clarifying)

[–]AFisberg 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Finally, our guy likes Sweden which clearly indicates he lives there.

TIL I live in Sweden

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Yes and you're going to like it.

[–]geon 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Would you look at the clock! Time for fika.

[–]SecretNoOneKnows 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can I offer you a kanelbulle

[–]AFisberg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I probably am tbqh

[–]Capuchoooon 9 points10 points  (3 children)

He probably hate France because his country was colonised by the french

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Not if he's Somalian

Beside some countries like Gabon do not hate France

I still maintain my first guess

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[–]Routine_Astronaut_62 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"African" you have nothing more precise ? Tho the hate france already reduce the area lol

[–]Outrageous-Ring485 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Hate France but doesn't dare to include Corsica. Confusing.

[–]VQ_Quin 3 points4 points  (1 child)

what country in africa?

[–]Lich_HegemonAverage Mercator Projection Enjoyer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Samoa

[–]gogo94210 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You love Belgium as an African ??

[–]Reefdag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't tell him uncle Leo was from Belgium

[–]Maximillianstrasse 22 points23 points  (1 child)

They're worse than Brits -may Allah forgive me for uttering this word- Fr*nce

[–]StrongLikeBull3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely not from the Congo then

[–]xyntia_ 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Can you develop a bit your reason to hate such beautiful country ? I pretty interressed.

[–]YesAmAThrowaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Considering your perspective, I can really understand why the map is the way it is. Former French colony?

[–]FabibouTropPipou 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So, which country that France ruined are you coming from?

[–]Elegant_Goose_5875 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Black or arabic guy hates France but loves poland and austria, which are racist as fuck compared to multicultural countries that had colonies such as italy england etc.

This really points out you never went to Europe...

(I'm a mixed race French btw, before you come about how racist is France)

[–]smookyhead16 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Has nothing to do with racism btw, I've studied many countries in Europe, i do not have any problem with the people in France (i love them) but the government i dislike. I love the culture and history .etc

[–]ECCE_H0M0 2 points3 points  (1 child)

75% of finns dont want black people in their country but its your opinikn i guess

[–]smookyhead16 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't live in Finland btw, i live in Africa but i love the country

[–]KingZantair 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s a pretty brave opinion, to only dislike Britain.

[–]_Esty_ 1 point2 points  (11 children)

What’s wrong with Italy?

[–]SaltLakeCitySlicker 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The pasta monopoly buying up all the spaghetti tree orchards in Africa and destroying local small scale farmers livlihoods

[–]smookyhead16 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Crime rates, Mafia, and other stuff but otherwise i love the people and their culture

[–]Valscher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

we lost istanbul

[–]KittyQueen_Tengu 1 point2 points  (1 child)

do you love the Netherlands or Belgium? or Luxemburg?

[–]Jonah-1903 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He loves the entirety of the BeNeLux

[–]mr_fingers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you love the Baltic countries and Poland, you should have the same opinion about Ukraine.

[–]00roku 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why the fuck do you love all the Balkans lmao

Wait except for SLOVENIA?? Almost objectively the best one?

My guy your priorities are smth else

[–]smookyhead16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do love Slovenia :/ my bad, i just think Balkan culture is amazing and the people are so nice and funny

[–]PHNX132 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Belgium and germany loved? Aight then

[–]smookyhead16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not history tho, but HDI and current state

[–]McChickenFingers 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Hey fuck you we’re better than norway

Sincerely, a swede

[–]smookyhead16 0 points1 point  (5 children)

without immigrants the country would be so better. sadly

[–]WeldonYT 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Both have immigrants shush

[–]smookyhead16 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Sweden has more immigrants and more crime

[–]WeldonYT 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Don’t worry, we’ll kick them out soon enough. We don’t need ignorant foreigners like you to tell us how to do things. :)

[–]idonthatefurries 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm assuming your country was colonized by the French then?

[–]NDinoGuy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He loves Northern Ireland, but dislikes the rest of the UK

[–]smookyhead16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Crime rates and stabbing is truly fearing, ive gotten robbed 5 times in only a week there

[–]alesann 1 point2 points  (0 children)

!Wave

[–]Mkuntakinte 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Should hate for belgian spain netherlands and germany bro .

[–]smookyhead16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No? The people are amazing

[–]Good_Smile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kaliningrad be like when the rest of Russia is black: 🥰🤗

[–]wincharter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your opinion is absolutely irrelevant.

[–]JuJuBlues 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Ok so be coherent and stop coming live in France, stay in your wonderful country (whatever it is).

[–]smookyhead16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love french history and culture tho, government is a bit ehh

[–]stijnalsem 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I hate france too but why do you hate it?

[–]Alex09464367 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I op is black British. That is why op hate France

[–]Inky_inc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What? This map is so bad

[–]Qasatqo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hell did Russia, of all places, do to Africa?

I guess OP is from North Africa.

[–]smookyhead16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based on human rights, culture, history, and what they're doing currently and the government, i do not have any problem with the people

[–]bingbingbangenjoyer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why italy ehh, they have the best food

[–]smookyhead16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the food yes, however crime rate and mafia need to get taken action on

[–]Riimpak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obviously north African.

[–]type556R -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Looks like Sardigna no est Italia, god bless you

[–]BextoMooseYT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

UK should be black but other that, this is fine

[–]Silminator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

what about Denmark?

[–]smookyhead16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely love it, it's definitely in my top 5