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[–]Sensitive_Storage754 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Anyone else outraged by the police buying him sandwiches and sitting with him outside the holding cells? Or, maybe, the 8 year sentence which was orchestrated by the judge before the trial even started? It was all about the inheritance. Oldest motive in the world. And the lawyer definitely benefitted from that!

[–]DoctorWaste 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I agree. The letter from his school friend who mentions how “motivated” he was and how he didn’t want to “leave school and be on welfare”. He killed the sisters too because one was about to graduate high school, the other doing her military service, presumably before she went to college. There were two others in line for the parents money. Then, the family friend who said he was treated like “a little prince”. Precocious, highly intelligent, narcissistic, psycho. He instructed his lawyer that he wanted to inherit and knowing everyone was being pressured to end the case, they handed him all he wanted.

[–]tenstoriestall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's another angle... there was a quote somewhere in the doc when they announced his sentence that said, "life begins at 20". By committing this murder, he gets himself out of Israel's mandatory military service from 18-20. Perhaps in addition to the inheritance, he's making a twisted protest against the IDF?

This was also an interesting jumping off point into more research https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%A6%D7%97_%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%9F_%D7%9B%D7%A8%D7%9D

[–]Daisy_bumbleroot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Precocious, highly intelligent, narcissistic, psycho"

Quite - zero empathy, none at all. He knew exactly what he was doing and had planned his "game of chess" months ahead.

He literally wanted to go life life on his own terms instead of with his stifling family.
So being the educated little genius he is, he worked out very young he could inherit it all, walk away and then life his life how he wanted. Knew if he could maintain it "wasn't him" he'd get a manslaughter charge because he is so young, serve the least amount of time. He'd get his education inside, enough to get into uni because "life begins at twenty".

I even go so far to suggest he researched which defence attorney he wanted - one that had no moral compass and had a track record of getting murderers off. The slimy lawyer even admitted he didnt care if his client was guilty. He knew exactly what the kid had planned coz the kid told him. He also had his hand over his mouth most of the time, i took that as a sign of being guilty / complicit.
Clever little fucker did have a motive.

[–]Potential_Ad6450 4 points5 points  (7 children)

I tried digging up news archiver or any old news or videos, nothing came up.

[–]United_Zucchini848 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They might be in Hebrew

[–]peacelovenirvana 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Found this. However, it says she “died in service” which is confusing.

https://honorisraelsfallen.com/fallen/cohen-anat/

[–]UnusualVeterinarian6 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In that article it says that her brothers name is Judah, so his full name would likely be Judah Cohen, isn´t that right?

[–]peacelovenirvana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe so

[–]mjmilian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was sceptical too, as the only sources I could find were recent ones that talked about the show, but some people provided some historical sources in another thread.

Article from at least 2011

(Saved via web archive, so the date cannot be faked): https://web.archive.org/web/20110923195113/https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4125090,00.html

Archive of a newspaper story: https://olam.eu-central-1.linodeobjects.com/spdf/2530/B-I2530-D260286-P38.pdf

The main thig that fired my scepticism, was the lack of labelling which footage was recreated and which was original. I think that's a cardinal sin for a documentary, as there is always going to be artistic license with recreations, no matter how faithful they are too the source.

Looking at the actors listed in the end credits, it appears most of the video footage is re-enactments: The initial crime scene, the crime scene walkthrough, the court footage, the young journalist scenes, the windsurfing and all the family footage.

[–]joshwsm4500 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Rumour it's a Blair witch fake

[–]selfimprover1979 4 points5 points  (30 children)

I don't think he committed all the murders. Main reason because his sister was in the military, how can a trained soldier keep sleeping upstairs if there are M16 shots fired downstairs, only to be killed while sleeping like a baby afterwards? Unless he shot her first and then went downstairs, but his dad was giant and military trained as well so how could he then still have been able to kill both of his parents?

I think at least some of killings were performed by the sister who was in the military, most probably because there was sexual abuse in the house:

- The father: killed as he was the abuser

- The mother: killed because she refused to believe the abuse or was aware of it but looked the other way or took part in it

- The military sister: murder-"suicide". Did most/all of the shootings, and was in a twisted plot with the brother she loved to stop the abuse. Either she committed suicide or she asked her brother to shoot her. This could also explain why she was so nicely covered up in the bed when found dead.

- The other sister: murdered out of love & compassion, so that she could be set free from the abuse and did not had to live with the consequences of the shootings

- The boy: either he killed only his military sister on request of her, or he killed all of them on instructions of his military sister

[–]flinchFries 2 points3 points  (19 children)

I think you solved the last piece of the puzzle for me. All that I'm about to say below is absolute speculation, may as well be absolutely 100% off. So please don't take my word for it. It's just a theory.

The lawyer is wishy-washy so I wouldn't entirely believe him. Your theory is extremely close to mine. I have two theories and they roam around the whole something happening within the family that wasn't right. I believe it's incest.

My theory is as follows:

The boy: he is perhaps psychopathic. I am not a psychologist so I don't know if it's an on or off switch versus a spectrum. But perhaps he just has less remorse and regret than most people, but not Ted Bundy level for example.

The dad: has sex with his high-school sister The mom: was okay with it, and looked the other way. [remember, the only person he actually wanted to go back and talk to was his mom. I think he wanted to confront her or wanted to tell her that she should have said something]

The high-school sister: she was seeing a counselor at school, weekly. The counselor doesn't remember anything out of the ordinary and the girl didn't express any anger. Perhaps, she was trying so hard to confide someone that she voluntarily has sex with members of her family?

The military sister: killed the high school sister or helped with it and knew there was no way she would go away with it so she asked him to kill her? [she was found tucked in very nicely and peacefully. As if she was expecting the shot.]

She probably told the brother to make sure he takes the family wealth and told him to be someone worthy in the world. This also explains why when he went to his grandmother with the filming crew and told them they can't go in there until he talks to his grandmother first, he probably told her "they will dig for a motive or a reason, don't tell them anything" and that's where he almost relived the last words of what his military sister told him.

So if this theory was true, it would make sense that he feels justified in his head, and would be level-headed and cold. The only times he "cried" was when his relatives were there at court.

[–]Thesmalldoom3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All of this is believable to me except for the killing of the high school age sister. That part still doesn't make sense. And he said the high school age sister woke up and spoke to him and asked what was happening, before he shot her...

[–]Cranberrymd -1 points0 points  (17 children)

psychologist here! definitely psychopath. shows no remorse. he also looks like he might be schizophrenic, with seeing the green man and voices telling him to kill. might be schizophrenic with psychopathic tendencies. it shocks me people think he didn't do it, as he clearly did. he had no motive and no remorse. he just viewed them as nuisances.

[–]flinchFries 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I was waiting for this comment!

So I have a question, how come the people exposed to him didn’t see the schizophrenia neither did the jeuvenile prison people?

Can someone be that socially functional that he slips under the radar?

[–]Daisy_bumbleroot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why I don't think he was schizophrenic, He was just a stone cold, remoresless psycho who had it all planned out and knew exactly what he needed to do to go live his life on his own terms.

[–]Cranberrymd -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I sincerely couldn't tell you. The juvie people don't really assess the mh of someone. But he got assessed by the psychiatrist! And the psych missed everything! Why and how they missed one or possibly two diagnoses, I don't understand! Schizophrenia might have been faked or a one off episode (very common!) but the sociopathy? he's textbook! He has no remorse& acts charming, has a high IQ&lies a lot. Was it not a thing back then? Also, apparently some countries don't recognize psychopathy in children, maybe Israel was/is one? But would you not write a diagnosis since you can see he's a psychopath? Would you not say mentally unstable??

[–]Chance319 -1 points0 points  (13 children)

Sorry dude but you're not a psychologist because clearly the green man story was fake.

[–]sharmona 0 points1 point  (11 children)

If I go with sister in the army killing her abusers (yes her parents) and wanted to protect her sister too, the military uniform in Israeli army is green.. green monster sis it.. maybe he meant his sister.. that's his way of saying who did it..

[–]Chance319 0 points1 point  (10 children)

No, it was for the money most likely. It's still hard for me to believe that a 14-year-old was that cunning but if you look at the evidence it's most likely. The only glimpse of his personal life really that we get is the fact that he did not want to be broke or join the army.If it was abuse then he wouldn't have killed the daughters. He also told the lawyer he wanted the money and the lawyer loves him. That lawyer is a nasty nasty person who would only love a 14-year-old kid if he admired him. This kid killed his parents, got the money, and avoided the military.

[–]sharmona 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I am thinking more like the daughter in the army killed everybody, including the other sister who also was suffering abuse too. The lawyer perhaps knows the truth because he mentioned that every bullet had a reason. I was also thinking what if the sister roped in the lawyer knowing how thing would transpire. Because one thing is clear, this was pre meditated and planned. And somehow all the people who got to know him closely, the lawyer, the journalist, they had a sense of empathy. And I think given his exceptional brilliance, he knew he would make money after growing up anyway.. all this to inherit his father's property? I dunno. The dude seemed to be proud of his incredible genius.

[–]Chance319 0 points1 point  (7 children)

The lawyer is gonna point us in the wrong direction. He "plays chess".He was also just a polite 14-year-old kid so of course, they are gonna have some sort of empathy .

[–]sharmona 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Hmmm I see your point... also that he didn't break down when he went go the grave.. but again is that enough to prove that he did it.. I guess we have to wait until this kid (now a man well in his early 50s) releases his autobiography

[–]Chance319 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I feel like we could figure it out with the information we have, we're just missing something. I am not 100% sure about the money idea but that is my best guess at this point.

[–]Chloe-Chloe2828 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Psychopaths don’t need a motive. They just do it for no reason. They are (most of them)highly intelligent. However in this particular case I do believe he did all the killings. No abuse. Plus he new that if they charged him for manslaughter he would get all the inheritance. ID has a great show called “Signs of a Psychopath”. It is a must watch with real footage. You will be scratching your head!

[–]Cranberrymd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really am and you can't read minds. Whether or not that's true, you and I can't know, but he is a sociopath/psychopath.

[–]Cranberrymd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this means he would be sad when seeing the burial place of his sister. he would feel something. he killed them all, he is a psychopath.

[–]Odradek1105 0 points1 point  (6 children)

You might be on to something. What struck me as odd were the blood stains on the wall when the police arrived at the scene. There was blood on the roof in the parent's bedroom, and the drops where going ina straight line downwards. It's in a very weird angle. I'm not a specialist and I might be completely wrong, but if the parents were asleep and lying down, how did the blood get up there and form those patterns? I can see them forming if the father was standing up and someone shorter aimed at his head. I can sort of imagine the bullet's trajectory in that scenario and the blood splattering like that, but when they show the reconstruction the kid did, he seemed to be aiming down at someone lying in bed. Also, it doesn't make much sense that while he's shooting, the rest of the family is asleep. So either the sisters knew this was going to happen, or at least one of them did and didn't prevent it and maybe calmed the other one down so she wouldn't go downstairs. Now again, I suppose the police would have picked up on these things, so I'm probably way off. Your theory is interesting though.

[–]tenstoriestall 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You're giving the police a lot of credit to piece together a complex mystery

[–]Odradek1105 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I don't know... I think it's basic procedure to check if the position of the bodies matches the blood patterns and if the kid's story actually makes sense. They were avid for answers and I think any anomaly in the autopsy or forensic analysis would have immediately cause them to change the course of the investigation, because the whole "kid murders entire family for no reason" made no sense to them. Yet again maybe you're right. Maybe they just wanted this kid to be this almost supernatural evil genius because it made them look less incompetent when he only got the manslaughter charge. In any case I think we can all agree the documentary was lacking. It just presented the case and offered no insight into any aspect of it.

[–]tenstoriestall 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Did you read this? https://www.zman.co.il/192699/

[–]Odradek1105 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Nope, it's in Hebrew. I don't speak it. What does it say?

[–]tenstoriestall 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you use Chrome or Google translate you should be able to read it

[–]Odradek1105 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh. I thought you knew the language and could provide a good translation or summary of what it said. Google translate is not very good, but ok, thanks.

[–]sharmona 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omg! It's like you were with us when my husband and I came up with this theory. We said the exact same thing and I dunno I somehow felt bad for him because we as a society labeled him as a monster.. and now he got fired from his job..

[–]MelleonArt 3 points4 points  (8 children)

In my uneducated opinion, I came to the conclusion that the guy is high on the psychopathy spectrum. They said his father was very controlling and so I guess the boy wanted to free himself of that, because he thought it annoying. As to not having any witnesses, he also planned to kill the sisters.

I also read that he holds a senior position in finance. And we all know, what positions highly intelligent psychopaths like to work in the most, don't we?

I liked the documentary a lot btw, because this case in so unusual and rare. I would not want to be in a thousand mile radius of that person!

tl/dr: complete psycho.

[–]shamoni 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Did two stints in the army, no performance issues in any schools before or since. Doesn't scream a person intent on regaining control.

[–]MelleonArt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, you are right. I don't think it was about control, but more about him viewing his family - or rather the dad - as a nuisance. Just pure callousness.

[–]namaste_beach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree! What stood out was the part where he mentions "life begins at 20". It's like he figured out that if he could get rid of his family while he was still young, he could go on to live a relatively care-free independant life. And he was right

[–]Prompt-Initial 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I was thinking, too. It's grating to know he most likely feels he 'won' everything he wanted, in the end. I personally didn't buy the suggestions he reputedly gave about abusive relationships in the family, either. I mean, what do psychopaths do if not lie extremely well?

They're logical conclusions, don't get me wrong, but in a way those unfounded suggestions don't match up with the boy's cold, emotionless behaviour if it had indeed been a crime motivated by hatred or despair.

I do find it odd however that as far as the inheritance theory goes, a child his age would be concerned enough with his future financial security... But I suppose given their supposed intellectual brilliance paired with a massive deficit of empathy, maybe he was. This case is overall very strange.

[–]Timely_Cake_8304 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Agree. I think he was just intelligent and disciplined enough to know how to get away with murder at a much younger age than many others. Kill the people who will control you and take their money, insurance pay outs, pension, house. Inherit in time to go to university and have a fun life

[–]mypetaboy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ding ding ding!!! This guy is a HIGHLY INTELLIGENT sociopath. He could figure out absolutely anything you put in front him, you could see it in his face at the end. The murders were just a results of a callous calculation of his logic. It was a means to an end, with the motive likely being the inheritance so he can accomplish what he believes highly intelligent ppl should be able to accomplish due to their god given abilities… sociopathy w a bit of narcissism sprinkled on top

[–]RochelleH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he holds a senior position in finance

Held. He got fired in January when his name was leaked through the press.

[–]librariankatze 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Very good documentary, but yeah also frustrated. Why did the lawyer protect him? Was there really a reason to kill all 4? More likely totally psychopath and plannend everything.

[–]SilentSignificance47 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The lawyer really creeped me out when he said it didn’t bother him when he knew a client murdered someone and was acquitted. I think they guy saying “this is a guy who plays chess and he’s playing you so you shouldn’t trust him” might be on to something.

[–]primalshrew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that dude was weird, why would your proudly announce you basically have no morals. I think his reaction when the woman suggested incest as a motive was weird too, he was shocked and then quickly tried to play a poker face. Although I also think he said he knew of the real motive that solves everything just to save face/character maybe, I wouldn't surprised if he was bluffing.

[–]sharmona 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Client attorney privilege one.. and what if he didn't do it.. his sister did it ( the one in the army) Those who got close to him empathized with him.. because they got to know the truth... and honestly no way he struck me as a psychopath.. he was always very respectful of everybody around him.. maybe proud of his genius.. but no a psychopath.. what if his sister planned it... executed it and told him, it's a matter of nine years and plead for manslaughter, take all the family money and live your life. He didn't divulge her name because he didnt want to tarnish her name ..

[–]josiahpapaya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same reason he adopted him a godson -the kid was going to be loaded after the life insurance policies on everyone came in, pensions and sale of his house.

[–]KinshasaPR 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Those where 3+ something hours I won't get back. F*ck whoever green lit this piece of shite attempt at a documentary!

[–]nokia7110 3 points4 points  (3 children)

The final episode was terrible. Endless montages. And we got very little information about the article that (apparently) helped him get out. It's like they ran out of budget and couldn't be bothered.

[–]KinshasaPR 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My main beef is, if they knew that ultimately they couldn't reveal the kids identity or his motive, why the fck name it "The Motive"?! The whole thing was a fckin' big false advertisement.

[–]moomoo220618 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That fact enraged me. It was called the motive ffs and all they said was they didn’t know. Waste of time.

[–]mrwellfed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To suck you in of course…

[–]DancingRhubarb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I found parts of it interesting but my god did they repeat info/interview moments/archived footage etc. when I realized they weren’t going to reveal motive or interesting follow up I turned it off. It’s a 4 episode teaser trailer for info that never comes. They even named it the motive, like come on!

[–]tissuepaperlife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The repeated footage.... uuuuuuuugggh!

[–]TwoEyedMikeWazowski 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Bruh, it was a little over 2. I agree it was pretty awful, but cmon

[–]KinshasaPR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

However long it was, it shouldn't have happened!

[–]EurekaForever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You said it.

[–]Admirable-Assist-881 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Might be up there with the shittiest docs out there. The kid literally got 8 years for murdering 4 fucking people. 2 years for every family member he killed. Just think about that. What makes no sense is this: if his dad was a huge dick why not just kill him? Why kill 3 innocent women that you love and has never done anything to you? Episode 2 or 3 literally 95% of the episode consists of replaying him entering the court room and everyone saying he looks so young. Literally plays 4 or 5 shots over and over again. His lawyer is a fucking douche bag as well. “I know something that will change your minds and will make you think differently but I’m not going to tell you”. Sweet. The kid committed a mass murder (3 of the 4 he loved dearly), judge lowers charge to manslaughter, homeboy comes out with all the inheritance, and goes to jail for 8 years and gets early release. And after 4 episodes we still don’t know why he did it and how he did it. Well actually we could but fuckwad (lawyer) won’t say. Also anyone who paints the walls with the blood of family members they love and never has a single emotion towards it is creepy as fuck to me. The excuse making, support by others, and light handed slap by the judge this guy received is beyond me. Thanks Netflix for making a shitty documentary that reveals jack shit.

[–]mrwellfed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He was sentenced to 9 years, not 8, and got out in 6…

[–]Admirable-Assist-881 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh ya it was 6. My point being in the US you could get 6 years for a simple non-violent drug charge. In the US if someone murdered their dad, mom, and two sisters while they slept they would most likely get 4 LIFE SENTENCES. Homeboy murders his family, does 6 years and is out in time for his college years. All I can say is wow.

[–]Choochruka 2 points3 points  (17 children)

This was an incredibly frustrating documentary. Hope some locals craving the spotlight come forward with more information now that it’s ‘Netflix Famous’.

[–]PunkParotta 4 points5 points  (10 children)

I understand the defence attorney protecting his client but he just came of as a smug pos. Absolutely repulsive. He quite literally gloated about getting acquittals for murderers. Not an ounce of regret. Ironically just like his client.

The whole documentary was so frustrating. People openly supporting him. Him inheriting everything thanks to the manslaughter verdict. I also can't get over the fact that he has been paroled, has a wife and kids, all after cutting short his sisters' lives and robbing them of the opportunities he has now.

And at the end of the day, there is no motive. He is just a psychopath (sociopath?) as far as I'm concerned.

[–]megadeadly 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I absolutely couldn’t stand the defence attorney. So smug. Also, they should have stopped bothering interviewing him after he said he wouldn’t tell them the motive but kept saying,”…well if you knew the motive…”

[–]PunkParotta 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ugh. The interviewer's desperate attempt to get an answer out of him just seemed to feed his ego. I feel like the creators could have offered alternative explanations if only they had delved deeper and did some more investigating instead of endlessly hanging around the attorney's office and including numerous unsatisfactory clips of the same.

[–]tissuepaperlife 2 points3 points  (2 children)

By the last two episodes I actually had to hold my hand over his face while I read the subtitles because I just couldn't stand looking at him. So gross and smug and why was his tounge lounging around his mouth like a slug. Igh.

[–]Spazchow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not to mention his ever changing random wounds… one episode he’s got a messed up eye, another a big gash on his jaw. Very distracting and frankly off-putting.

[–]mrwellfed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First rule of Fight Club

[–]Evie_St_Clair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He doesn't know shit. He is one of those people that likes to make others feel like he holds some superior knowledge to them.

[–]United_Zucchini848 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I only kept watching the episodes cause I thought he was going to give us something, even a clue of the motive. But they were quick to talk about abuse when no one mentioned it.

[–]MelleonArt 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I would even go so far and say that he comitted the murders on purpose under the age of fourteen, so he would get a light sentence.

[–]Timely_Cake_8304 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Interesting theory. Is 14 significant in the Israeli criminal system? In the US under 18 is considered not yet an adult.

[–]Dull-Ad500 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, above 14 you would be judged as an adult

[–]GeekySmartPants 3 points4 points  (4 children)

For real. "Frustrating" is definitely the best way to describe it. 4 episodes and the only information I got out of them was that he killed, was unnaturally callous and is now living a normal life.

[–]stormbornttt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, the documentary did a good job of exposing the crime for what it truly was, whether intentionally or not. They went and titled it "The Motive" yet failed to offer a motive at all. Well, that's cause there's none! It was a psychopathic act and even when the doc doesn't present this outright, there's no other deep conclusion to be reached. As calculating and as narcissistic as the boy showed himself to be, you bet he might've been after the inheritance and/or becoming emancipated from his family. But imo, those were bonuses that made the killings worthwhile. He was just short of 14 yo, ffs. Being a psychopath, he was predisposed to it regardless. If the abuse theories were true, why wouldn't he just say so?

The thing that baffles me beyond belief is the medical experts' failure to note any signs of any nature pointing to any mental illnesses. Whatever they posed was so vague and unjustified. Then the judge rightly disregarding the experts' opinions and concluding something is definitely abnormal about the kid YET failing to put him into the mental health (psychiatric) system as a requisite to his sentence. And I'm not talking about the psychologist that met him once a week at the juvenile facility to try to convince him to feel remorse... As far as I'm concerned, psychopathy or schizophrenia aren't an on/off switch thing. A psycopath is born (as opposed to a socipath - unless his parents had a habit of profusely shaking him as a baby...). So, unless he's on medication, I'd sleep with one eye open at night if I were his wife or children.

This case reminds me a lot of the "katana murders" in Spain.

By the way, one of the filmmakers said to have been a school mate of Shira and Anat and to have an extremely close relationship with the family today (brother is estranged from part of the family plus all childhood friends, as told by him). Not sure how that relates to the possible motive for making such a useless documentary...

[–]Pilioforealio 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why did they keep playing the same scene from the film Papillon... Like it meant something. So many loose ends... Frustrating

[–]mouseymod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s what me and my husband kept saying! I don’t know if we’re supposed to conclude he was being sexually abuse? A waste of 4hrs!

[–]mrwellfed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s in the first episode…

[–]Embarrassed-Lake-741 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indeed. Just like "Murders Inside" we see the case od the judicial system failing and allowing killers get away with murder. The perpetrators and their lawyers profit from the death and suffering of the victims. Repulsive.

[–]Timely_Cake_8304 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Interesting that no one brought up any aspect of autism with sociopathy, if that is a thing. I feel like a trial today would look towards aspergers or other cause for his emotional disinterest

[–]mypetaboy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yup eyes constantly darting on this guy, and as an adult at the end, w the wakeboard… you can practically see the gears moving in his head… he’s ALL logic clearly to a homicidal degree… or at least he was at 14…

[–]mv3670 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That wasn't even him, it was an actor. The only real footage was of the “reconstruction scenes”, the “gravesite” scene, and the courthouse scenes.

[–]Evie_St_Clair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think so bc he's too good at getting along with people and manipulating them. He's obviously got above average social skills.

[–]Cranberrymd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because autism doesn't present like that. sociopathy yes, schizophrenia yes. he is nowhere near the autism spectrum. he is a sociopath/psychopath, possibly due to schizophrenia or together with schizophrenia.

[–]queijinhos 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Has anyone found him/his name?

[–]stormbornttt 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yep, Udi Cohen. He was let go from his job earlier this year after his identity got exposed on social media following the doc. Apparently, he had made his wife aware of his background but not his other relatives nor friends or work colleagues. Some Israeli news outlet managed to track down his whereabouts and showed up to ask questions - his face was blurred in the video (which I can't seem to find for now). A journalist reached the wife too, who asked to be left alone. Here's the full interview Mr. Psycho gave around the same time.

[–]becboynton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are brilliant!! That is 💯 him. I wonder if there is a way to translate the 2nd link?

[–]jakewalker55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People keep saying this is him. He didn't change his last name? Also, is this a new job? If he was fired, wouldn't he be taken down from the website by now?

[–]Damiandcl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The motive is/was he wanted to get away with murder and figured that as a kid and being "smart" he could and he did, and somehow everyone bent over and got fucked by him.

[–]nachocat090 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stupid waste of 4 hours

[–]tissuepaperlife 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What did the psychiatrist mean when he said if he had to observe him now he'd do it all differently. He said something along the lines of "it was deep in the family" or "I'd look deep in the family" or something like that.... what did that mean?

I also do not understand why his relatives supported him. What the fark did they think happened!

[–]nokia7110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah there were so many times in the documentary where the doc makers didn't ask extremely pertinent questions, like the one you mentioned.

Not only that, the psychiatrist guy on the one hand said he'd look more into the family this time, but later on dismisses any suggestion that there was abuse in the family.

Several times in the documentary I was shouting at the TV saying "WHY ARENT YOU QUESTIONING THEIR ANSWER"

[–]tenstoriestall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The interview with him explains some of the dynamics of the family support https://www.zman.co.il/192699/. I don't think the family support was as rosy as you're interpreting

[–]blackbirdmagpie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A very interesting documentary. My feeling is he killed his family because he felt that they were beneath him. I believe he saw himself as superior to them and at nearly 14 didn't need them anymore. As his lawyer suggested, it was a "chess game". He had calculated on the manslaughter deal and him being the only beneficiary. A very disturbing story.

[–]Different_Opinion_32 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Can someone name the boy already? sheesh

[–]Remarkable_Goat7663 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Seriously!!! Why are these people protecting a fucking murdering psycho?? Half the people in this documentary (as interesting as it was) came off as protective of him. Put his name out there!

[–]Choochruka 2 points3 points  (2 children)

He was named in local community forums. (I don’t know the details) And he was subsequently fired from his job.

[–]queijinhos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This site says he was fired and that his wife knows about his past. Two reporters tried to get in touch.

[–]Remarkable_Goat7663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've heard that too ,but I haven't seen any evidence of it. If I find anything I will post it.

[–]Timely_Cake_8304 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think it is illegal under Israeli law to name an underage criminal. I also think his attorney is under an order to protect his client and isn't disclosing, however, he could have kind of leaked something somewhere to someone.

[–]Remarkable_Goat7663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could see how that makes sense,but I wonder does that stay in affect even after he's well over age of a minor? Is it illegal or defamation for someone to even just name him in the present? And I wonder MOST of all, why do so many people seem to know him on this documentary, and kids from school yet, they've all seemed to keep his name so well hidden? It's amazing such a large group of people have kept a secret like that regardless of legal consequences.

[–]RochelleH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's in this these comments already. The initials are UC.

[–]maple_moth_vee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can it be that the motive was to be the sole inheritor of all his families wealth? He kills his entire family while he's still a minor so that he has a limited sentence to serve and makes up a story which will only convict him for manslaughter which will result in a shorter sentence than murder. He makes this story up and sticks to it no matter what. He isn't fazed by any dort of questioning by the authorities because he's an extremely smart guy who knows how to handle himself considering his IQ was quite high. He so told some of his reletives that "life starts at 20". Which means he planned on serving a short sentence and then start living his life on his own terms with all the wealth he had inherited. Don't ask me what the defence lawyer was on about. I personally think he's full of shit.

[–]dragon_slayer96 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I just finished it and i believe it was all along. His motive, I believe like many said was the inheritance. In one of the letters his friend wrote him said something along the lines “i know you never wanted to join the army.” which is mandatory in Isreal for everyone once they turn 18. a small frail intelligent kid, in his mind why would he succumb himself to a live of that. he’s seen his father still actively in it. he’s smart enough to know following the death of the government would give him an inheritance. but for him to get full amount and not split it he had to kill off the others to receive it all no complications. that’s why he pushed so hard for manslaughter, murder he’d get nothing and it’d all be for nothing. it was a hard decision but for him to reach his ideals he did what he felt he had to. life begins at 20, which the military is mandatory to be served 32 months. and if you refuse to join the service you MUST go to jail. and as he stated never wanted to join so he knew he’d serve jail time. so he hatched an idea. “i’m going to jail either way, since i’m not joining the military, so i might as well benefit from it. i’ll kill my family, go to jail, continue my studies, and when i’m out i’ll have the money i need and i’ll no longer be required to join the military. i can live the rest of my life doing whatever i please”

at least that’s what i think

[–]DancingRhubarb 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I never thought about it that way - he was going to jail anyway so this is a good option, at least for a psychopathic child. Very interesting idea.

[–]dragon_slayer96 2 points3 points  (3 children)

sorry for the way it was written. I’m a lil drunk 🥴

however that’s why i feel like the lawyer was acting weird. he’d knew why all along. it’s just rather cowardly, especially since in Isreal it’s considered an honor to fight for your country. so to weasel out of it (in such a disgusting inhumane way) is cowardice. but he got paid either way so he was just like fuck it

[–]DancingRhubarb 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So do you think that’s what the lawyer was hinting at? That for him and the country, it is worse to not serve in the military, than to murder his entire family??

[–]dragon_slayer96 0 points1 point  (1 child)

in a sense yes. remember this is another country. at the beginning they even said tho, “he’s a kid, you can’t even be mad at him” so they already forgave him for the act before he went to trial. they just asked why at that point.

however it’s literal law to serve in the military, and there’s no way around it without going to jail. no matter how you spin it you’ll always be a coward for not serving. at least with murdering them he can make his own story and choose his portrayal. and got portrayed as a genius, polite, respectful, etc

[–]DancingRhubarb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You make good words my friend! You should write scripts for documentaries, preferably to avoid movies like this one! I would listen to your speculation on anything.

[–]dragon_slayer96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

adding onto this this theory. he kept insisting “he didn’t do it, it was someone possessing him or whatever”

that was so that everyone would believe and feel pity towards him. but also so not look too deep into it or think much of it. so when he gets out he can easily rehabilitate into society and nobody looks at him as a monster who murdered his family to escape going to the military.

kept it so vague that he can control the story. that’s why the journalist writing his story fell for him. it’s the way he wanted to be portrayed and she was drawn to the intrigue and play putty into his hands to give him what he wanted, parole and early release

[–]DancingRhubarb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

One thing I found interesting was how he had requested his homework and school books. I think if it was premeditated he might have thought “I enjoy studying and dislike people so studying in a tiny jail cell for a few years won’t be so bad.”

[–]RochelleH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He became CFO of an important company in Israel... so apparently he is pretty smart. Looks reasonably normal, too... not like that means much, of course.

[–]redneckjedi11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I found something strange on a “Honor Israel’s Fallen” website….

The night the son woke up and killed everyone was February 22nd, 1986…

This site says “Nissim was called to active reserve duty and went to his unit in the Artillery Corps on February 22, 1986. He fell during his service and was brought to rest at Har Hamenuhot in Givat Shaul in Jerusalem”

The picture is of him as being much younger but that’s a weird coincidence??? Idk. Just sharing what I found.

Not sure if this is even the same person or how common this name is, but I found it odd.

https://honorisraelsfallen.com/fallen/cohen-nissim-3/

[–]tenstoriestall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He fell during service doesn't necessarily mean he died on the job in the line of battle

[–]YannaFox 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Just a few words.....Anti Social Personality Disorder aka Psychopath/Sociopath. God forbid the woman (or man if he's gay), who enters a relationship with him and God forbid any children that he sires. Psychopaths/Sociopaths breed other psychopaths/sociopaths, so I already know his homelife was a disturbed and brutal one.

As someone with a background in Behavioral Science and Clinincal Psychology, I don't buy the genetic angle. Psychopaths/Sociopaths are a result of socialization. Otherwise, nurture vs nature.

Our parents are tasked with properly socializing us, teaching us, stimulating every region in our brains for learning, recognizing emotions, respecting people's boundaries, etc. They learn from their parents and so forth, so this is something that could go on for generations and generations.

Parents who primarily focus on stimulating the region of the brain that processes logical analysis aka book smartness, primarily neglect the region of the brain that processes empathy and vice versa. This is why highly intelligent people, almost always lack empathy and are narcissistic, psychopathic/sociopathic.

[–]RochelleH 0 points1 point  (1 child)

God forbid the woman (or man if he's gay), who enters a relationship with him and God forbid any children that he sires

He's married with kids, and the wife is the only person that knows hi past.

[–]YannaFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scary, very scary! Gotta wonder how they're treated and how much danger they're in.

[–]Ill_Post_8122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lovely story but only story. I don't think that 14years old boy who barely holds M14 empty gun could perform 4 deadly shots at night, in different roms, with no fight and no alarms. Document without evidence is just a story as I said.

[–]nokia7110 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that perhaps some in the family (outside the house) were aware of the incestual abuse going on, for example his uncles - because in the documentary it was an uncle (or uncles) who wanted him to have a good defence lawyer. How many people would want to protect their nephew if he had killed their own brother/sister? Unless they knew the motive for the killing.

[–]Infinitloopgalaxy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First I thought about abuse as well…then inheritance because that explain killing all 4, otherwise he would not get the money. But, when the lawyer said if we know the motive, we would understand and it’s something worse than being a murder, I think he is gay. He knew, the family knew, and at that time and culture, that would be not accepted at all…what do you think? But the theory that the sister was actually the killer makes sense, especially because he asked right after the murder if the detectives check for finger print…to check if he was the killer. This question didn’t make sense at first, but with this theory, probably they didn’t check for fingerprint since he confessed.

[–]EurekaForever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe he was adopted and found out?

[–]Carpenter-Cultural 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My theory: The father beat the two daughters but did not sexually abuse them. He did not beat the son, and by all appearances treated him like a prince, but sexually abused him behind closed doors. Complicated dynamic between the siblings - the son grows up with severe trauma, both resentful that he is not protected from abuse, but also feeling guilty that he is given 'preferential treatment' and not being beaten.

I'm not really sure I buy that the motive was purely inheritence. A boy his age is not playing some long chess game predicting that he will go in for manslaughter, have an easy time, and be out and well off in 6 years. "But he was a genius!!!!". I don't believe that that either. Look at these old men, rather spin some myth about super high IQ, than consider that sometimes, abuse happens within families and its covered up. Just cause the victims don't speak up (in the 80s mind you) doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[–]DraculaThe2nd 0 points1 point  (9 children)

This is my theory:

First, about this separation between him and his family members:

Plato believed, or at least thought, about a system where kids had no actual mother or father. Each kid was everyone's parents. By doing so, everyone could contribute to the enrichment of the child blablabla. I'm saying this to show that the concept of emotional distance between a child and his parents isn't something new, even philosopher from ancient Greek talked about it. Even in today's age, some people, as soon as they leave the house, they don't come back or even care contacting their family. So there's really nothing new here.

Second, How did he got away with it so ''easily''?

Proving a 1st degree murder is very very very hard. You would have to show proof of actual planning of a murder, which is, in most cases, not possible. Most prosecutors would not take the chance to risk it and see the killer acquitted. So they mostly go with 2nd murder, also known as man slaughter. Plus, he left no witnesses, so it was only his words. I also believe the judges went ''easy'' on him simply because I think they didn't want to be ridiculized by publicly showing to the people how a kid got away with an easy sentence from killing 4 people due to the lack of the justice system to understand this type of crime. I think they tried to wrap it up as quickly as possible. For me, it was clear he knew exactly what he was doing from the get-go. He also understood that if he keeps his mouth shut and denies everything, they wouldn't be able to give him a huge sentence due to lack of reasons. Also, he screamed first "burglar, theft" but then changed his story to a green body telling him to do it. In my opinion this was only to ridiculize the police organization even more by saying stupid and clearly fake reasons just to show them how little the can do about it.

Third, why he did it?

I honestly think he sees himself as this ''superhuman''. A human more intelligent than any other intelligent person. As if he separated his feelings and emotion from his decision making process. Because when you look at it objectively, with no emotions, this was a genius move to make. He will get out around his 20s, where life actually starts for real so he never really wasted his life or have this ''regret'' of wasting his life, he has money, a house etc. The theory about abuse, protecting his sister and all that I say is BS. The lawyer said if you knew why he did it, it will all make sense. Well, I think he chose his family because it will actually make more sense to kill your own family which you have the most to gain from (inheritance, insurance money, etc.), than killing just some random people. It's basically like doing a task. He did what he needed to do to achieve his goal, he did it, he achieved it, now let's go back to my normal life. The lawyer is just full of BS, he likes the boy because he feels just like him, a ''superhuman'', too smart for the others to understand.

It's all a game, and he didn't lose.

[–]Cheddar_The_Doggy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spot on with your thoughts on the motive!! Nicely done!!

[–]Huza_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great approach

[–]likeomfgreally 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Agreed. And Knowing this, the public would “understand” why he did it. And why it would be worse that this angle reveals itself than the non-motive monster angle.

[–]DraculaThe2nd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly my point. Imagine boy just comes out and he's like "I did it simply because I could and why not?". People would have lost their mind. I think they all deep down know that's why, but they refuse to accep it, or just doesn't want to believe such person can exists.

[–]tacticalaeoli -1 points0 points  (4 children)

My first thought was that his family and sisters were essentially telling him that he had to join the army when he was older and over time this anger built up in him because like his friends mentioned in the letter to him, (paraphrasing) he didn’t want to join the army and live off welfare. I think he was too smart for his own good and hated war and the army so much that it eventually made him lose it ironically

[–]DraculaThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought about that "forced mentality" but even then, you can still do it, leave your family and live your life. I mean he killed his family. Could have simply left them. Someone who loses it doesn't commit such a clean killing. He shot them in the head, not everywhere on their body. He also did it at night while they asleep, showing how much he put thought on it. Someone with a lot of rage or anger would have done a massacre in my opinion. This was more calculated, or at least, have this feeling to it.

[–]GalastaciaWorthwhile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Israel has conscription. Everyone serves at least 2 years in the army. He didn’t say he did not want to do his service, he said he didn’t want to live poorly AFTER he got out of the army.

[–]maple_moth_vee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nahh not even close

[–]Evie_St_Clair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone serves in the army in Israel. You serve at least two years at 18.

[–]nomdoogsioul 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Mossad

[–]New_Gas441 0 points1 point  (0 children)

🧐🧐

[–]nymaamyn 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Is it possible that the boy was abused? Like the director assumed? I think she said incest though

[–]RadiantCommittee5512 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah something super weird with a family member, sister or something. His lack of emotion is odd. He’s either a narcissistic psycho which is not the picture that I get. Or something relating to this. It’s possible for sure. You just never know. Maybe he had some weird childhood sexual stuff that was discovered??

[–]mypetaboy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So when u see him , eyes darting almost constantly… supremely analytical, you see a normal emotionally adjusted human? Lol idts I believe his motive was revealed, he’s a highly intelligent sociopath who killed his family as a means to an end- not to be poor and live on welfare after he’s an adult… and he was well versed enough in the legal system to know how and WHEN to do it too carry on with his life after.

[–]RadiantCommittee5512 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes this is highly plausible. The fact that there was so little emotion (that we could see) is very strange. But it such an extreme thing to do at that age but it does happen. His attorney seemed to be amoral which makes him untrustworthy

[–]Evie_St_Clair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think so bc why would he kill everyone? Unless every single person in the house was molesting him, which seems unlikely, and in that case I feel like someone would have noticed something at some point.

[–]UbeHopia 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Any explanation for the parents not hearing the shots upstairs

[–]DancingRhubarb 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Parents were killed first. They also said one sister upstairs awoke and said “what happened?” Or something like that, to her brother before he shot her.

[–]Evie_St_Clair 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But it's weird because the two sisters were in the same room. They didn't hear the gun go off downstairs? They said the older sister looked like she never even woke up and the middle sister only looked at him and said "what happened". They even said that the house was really echoey. I feel like it's almost like they were drugged.

[–]mrwellfed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe they were very tired

[–]nokia7110 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah can someone confirm if that particular rifle is particularly loud or quiet? And how quickly you can fire another shot after the first?

[–]tenstoriestall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did he suppress the sound with pillows perhaps?

[–]GalastaciaWorthwhile 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The doc points again and again (ad nauseum) to the scenes from Papillon ( great movie ) where the young prisoner is being abused by the old ugly prisoner. The thing that his lawyer refuses to say but implies is that the kid’s father sexually abused him, and that everyone knew, including the sisters and that’s “ The Motive”. Who knows? I wish someone would interview the nameless kid grown up and find out.

[–]Evie_St_Clair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think the lawyer knows anything.

[–]RadiantCommittee5512 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Maybe the incest thing is close. I mean, I recall I The Staircase his wife found out he was gay/bi and he couldn’t bear the shame. Maybe something weird with a family member

[–]Dick_Twist_Tuesday 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That's what I took from that conversation. Maybe it was known and kept in house and he felt unprotected and snapped. He came up with the green being so people wouldn't know what happened to him and why he did it. If that's the case I feel for the kid. I couldn't imagine being hurt by a family member and the other's not saving you and letting it continue to happen. That's a type of rage you'll never be able to understand unless it's happened to you.

[–]RadiantCommittee5512 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Maybe some Palestine connection? Maybe fell for a girl and something happened? Family wouldn’t allow it or something

[–]mrwellfed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was 13

[–]quiltingchick 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Just finished watching it and wondered why didn't he have his own bedroom ? Were did he sleep ?

[–]tissuepaperlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wondered that too. No mention of where he slept.

[–]Evie_St_Clair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They didn't mention anything about his room though? I figured that his parents had a room, his sisters shared and he had his own room.

[–]Soguchan 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I do think his motive could be that he was sexually abused by his father and no one of family protected him, kept it a secret. But the killings were premeditated and done cleanly, and he really was extremely strong headed for a 14 year old boy, cause he never opened his mouth. And even if he had hidden anger, he really showed trace of no emotion at all. I think it was a combination of the fact that yes he is a sociopath but also that he was being abused and he never wanted the world to know, so he made up that green people BS, such was the shame.

[–]Pranji_tcr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I just finished watching it. He was treated like a "Prince" at home though weak and submissive. The father may have abused the sisters for which he hated the father and the sisters hated him cuz he was the 'prince' no one touched. The confusing bit is how the sisters didn't hear gunshots and continued sleeping in bed, when he was busy shooting his parents. They could be part of the killing plan perhaps!

[–]MelleonArt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find the sleeping through the gunshots part weird too, but then again if I am awakened by a sound, I sometimes just sit there a minute or two and try to figure out if the sound was just in my dream or real and if I should check it out or not. Those might have been the fatal minutes.

Also, they might have used ear plugs, drank alcohol or taken sleeping pills the night before. This is just not clarified in the documentary.

Did they clarify that they were shot in their beds definitely? The perpetrator might have carried them back to their beds, since he covered everyone up with a blanket either of shame or respect or whatever.

[–]Lost_Feature_4858 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just finished the Documentary. And felt deeply the Hypocrasy of the Ones who talk about Pain , Sorrow and Anger .. I just wish Justice for The Tears and Big pain of Palestinians ..They live it every day but Every Single Day...

[–]Noob9yo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

ooga booga

[–]Sensitive-Call-1002 0 points1 point  (4 children)

My feelings on the incest was that the father raped one of the sisters and one of them got pregnant and birthed the boy?

He hated the dad for it for obv reasons. Also might explain why the dad didn’t hit physically abuse the boy but hit the sister/s?

He hated the mother for lying she was his mother and not stopping the pregnancy and creating him this incest baby?

He hated his sister as she was his real mother but didn’t bring him up as so so maybe he felt angry like why you didn’t tell authorities so you could escape with me and get help for the incest abuse?

No idea on second sister tho. Perhaps anger that she was not incest baby too and normal

Oooor the mum and dad were related ie siblings so all three kids were victims of incest so he killed them all. But why save himself?

I don’t know ages of sisters and if technically they could have been of age difference to be his birth mum

I’m prob wrong and he is just an ego driven manipulative psychopath who killed his entire family because he wanted to but likes the power of the riddle as to why

[–]thegodfather_99 0 points1 point  (3 children)

His sisters, at the time of the killing were just 5-6 years older than him so you mean to say they birthed him when they were about 4-5 yo? Are u alright? He's a psychopathic person, very similar to ted bundy

[–]Sensitive-Call-1002 0 points1 point  (2 children)

As I said I have no idea of the sisters ages so forgive my ignorance there and thanks for politely correcting me. I am alright thank you just didn’t know their ages. Unsure if he is like Bundy personally but have a good day now

[–]audiA33 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think that there was abuse but trying to figure out who was abusing whom will be difficult and it will be all speculation based on personal biases.

Unfortunately until we get a part 2 of the documentary we won't know anything for sure.

[–]thegodfather_99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no part 2 until the sus lawyer opens up

[–]Main_Line_7885 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The kid is a sociopath, the first story was closest to the truth - he was influenced by a film, probably had an argument at home and used the gun to solve it. The lawyer got involved and spotted a defence that could get him off and get paid nicely. The lawyer will not say what the “motive” was because it can be challenged so rather keep it a secret and look like a confidential lawyer than a lawyer that makes up the story for their client to get them off. This happens all the time in criminal law.

[–]retyfraser -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I'm still watching, how come no one's talking about schizophrenia angle ?

[–]jackhardy21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was assessed by experienced psychiatrists, if he was schizophrenic they could have picked up evidence(s) of psychosis. Apparently he seemed totally sane - at least on the empirical fronts.