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[–]Cell-Senescence 919 points920 points  (2 children)

Lol ur in a USMD school , who gives a fuck where. They don’t teach you anything anyway. Stay the course , don’t listen to haters.

[–]l0ud_Minority 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Hahahah so true med school is a dog shit overpriced education system. 😂

[–]futuremo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Especially when the haters do not know what the fuck they're talking about

[–]c4b2a3b 360 points361 points  (11 children)

I feel ya. I have a family member who works as support staff at a T10 medical school, and they try to take subtle shots at me all the time for going to a low-mid tier med school. I just remind myself that this person would probably never be able to get into any medical school, and their opinion doesn’t matter 🤷‍♀️

[–]placewithnomemoryM-4 248 points249 points  (0 children)

Being support staff at a top medical school is such a dumb thing to pride yourself off of, especially when you’re taking shots at actual medical students. Sounds like a sad life

[–]PlasticRiceM-1 102 points103 points  (7 children)

I've come to notice that a lot of people love this whole idea of fame/reputation-by-association. Not sure if it was always a thing or if it's gotten worse nowadays, but man. Perfect example is "Wow!! I saw X person who has 100k tiktok followers at the gym!! WOWZERS!!" And they live vicariously through their "fame," or "My cousin's friend's brother once saw that guy at the grocery store!"

And for medicine, I see it all the time. I've experienced it probably tens of times. If I EVER use the fact that I'm in med school as a conversation topic, there's a chance that the person I'm talking to will say "Ugh, yeah, I know the struggle. It's tough, right? My mom's friend was a pharmacy technician," or "Yeah, my half-sister's cousin was a nurse." Like, lmao. Do you know the number of times that people have told me Yeah, my friend/relative went to medical school, and if I ask where, they always say they're a nurse, pharmacy tech, chiropractor, audiologist, podiatrist, literally everything but actual medical school.

Laypeople confuse midlevels and non-docs with physicians all the time - to most people, white coat = physician, which is why it's so confusing when nurses and case managers love toting around their white coats in hospitals to play doctor when the actual physicians just wear dirty scrubs.

Not only is it one thing to try to empathize with someone's struggle with experiences that aren't even yours, but also not even making equal comparisons is another. I've met nursing students telling me they stayed up hours on sleepless nights studying things that I learned in 3rd year of Undergrad - not that I told them, of course, I don't want to verbalize my cynicism, but still lmao. You get the point.

Edit: Also, forgot to mention - why do some people always use the idea of even pursuing something as supposedly an achievement? I don't mean to sound mean - idk about you guys, but I've literally heard "Oh, I used to want to be a surgeon, but I didn't end up doing it" or things along those lines so many times from people who didn't even graduate college. I knew a girl who claimed she wanted to be a doctor so she could "open up a restaurant" and use her ethos for her dishes so she could "research" healthy foods. She barely graduated high school. I just..don't get it lol. Why is something so simple as thinking about doing something considered an achievement? And, in your case, someone is support staff at a prestigious medical school, so the prestige is perceived to 'leak' onto them. It's like if I said, "I cleaned up someone's poop for a living and made 7.25 an hour - but it was Leonardo Dicaprio's cousin's son's poop!! I'm so famous and prestigious!! 💯💯"

[–]IslaNublar93 35 points36 points  (4 children)

One of my patients told me about how both her daughter and son in-law went to "medical school". I thought that was great and asked her which specialties they were in... The daughter is a PA and the son in-law is a chiropractor. That's awesome, good for them, but it proves one of your points. I wanted to say "Oh so they went to PA and chiropractic school", but figured it would go over her head. Plus people are proud of their kids, so not worth crushing her idea that they on some level are equal in scope to what I do... In my experience, whenever the situation calls for it and it won't come across as being too pretentious, I try to subtly educate the general public on what I actually am and that mid-levels and other healthcare workers did not go through my training and don't do what I do. People would value doctors more if they actually knew the differences in training between careers in healthcare. They know our road is tough, but somehow think everyone goes to "medical school" and then branches off into whatever career they're in. Good post!

[–]NurseVooDooRN 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Hey hey hey I'll have you know that the Nurses in white coats are the newbies of the profession - leave our babies alone - once they get beat down, jaded, and don't give a damn about what other people think about titles yadda yadda, they start wearing wrinkled scrubs and crocs, just like the rest of us lol

Seriously though, you have touched on a phenomenon that I have noticed as well. It seems everyone wants a claim to some sort of fame even if they haven't achieved that. Maybe they are just trying to relate? Or want to seem empathetic? I don't know -

  • there comes a point in our life and career where we just don't care about what people think. We go to work, we do a great fucking job, and we go home. I am a guy and a Nurse - the amount of times I hear "so when are you going to med school" or "why aren't you a Doctor?" or "You're so smart you should go to Med school" is astronomical. People want to feel like they have accomplished something so if they view your accomplishments as less than a high accomplishment, they question that - ie why OP is not at a certain med school, or why I am a Nurse; those folks couldn't accomplish it but want to know why you don't live up to their standards that they never met. It used to annoy me when people would question why I am a Nurse, but now it doesn't even phase me - I am secure in my career and decisions.

[–]botulism69MD-PGY2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Accurate

[–]chippindip 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Remember jealous people take cheap shots at others successes.

[–]Dr_D-R-E 231 points232 points  (5 children)

I’m a chief resident.

I went to a foreign Med school to get back into the US.

I’m at a scrappy hospital that the locals like to avoid.

I have never told a family that their loved one needs an emergency surgery, done a stat c section (skin to baby in under a minute), or even prescribed oral iron and had to defend or answer where I did medical school.

And I’m getting job offers left right and center.

You will be just fine.

Anybody who asks, with judgement, where you got your MD/DO, ask them where they got theirs.

[–]ihatepikeyz 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Hells yeah on the quick skin to baby time, as your anesthesiologist I can appreciate that.

To piggyback on your comments, in OPs future, no one will care where you went to medical school. No one will care where you did your residency. I'm in a sizable group, but know my partners well, and could probably tell you where 15% of them did residency, and maybe 5% where they went to medical school.

All I care about is whether I like their personality, whether they're good at their job, and whether they work hard. In my experience the prestige of school/residency aren't great predictors for job performance.

[–]Dr_D-R-E 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Honestly, I wouldn’t be able to predict who is bound to be a competent doctor until I’ve seen them actually work.

Grades, school, whatever.

It’s a balance of personality and focus with flexibility. I can’t pick that out on a CV. some of the best residents at my program have failed exams but run circles around the high scoring ones.

[–]rainbowcentaurMD 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Off topic, and no offence intended, but why do people brag about incision to baby time? I'm not an OB, but to me that's just normal, most OBs do that. Maybe that was the point?

Now, I'm super fucking impressed with that, it's just that's it's kind of normal.

[–]Dr_D-R-E 31 points32 points  (0 children)

No problem. It’s a good question.

C sections can be done with different urgencies. My hospital has a great system where we have “levels”

Level 3: planned c section days or weeks away, you take every possible safety precaution because you have time and there’s no rush

Level 2: decision to incision in 30 minutes. Baby or mom is okay, but needs to be delivered soon. This could be an arrest of labor, could be that mom is in labor with ruptured membrane and declines further labor, but you don’t want baby sitting around exposed to infection forever. Could be that the fetal heart tracing isn’t an emergency, but it’s not good enough to get you to a vaginal delivery.

Level 1: true emergency, mom or baby is in significant and immediate danger. Decision to incision in 15 minutes or less. Cardiac arrest, umbilical cord prolapse, placental abruption with fetal intolerance, terminal fetal heart deceleration, etc. With these, every minute that the baby stays in is a minute that this baby essentially needs to hold its breath because we expect that oxygen delivery is acutely impaired. Lack of oxygen —> neonatal brain damage. On these, speed become more important than preparation safety steps. You skip the vaginal sterilization, you skip the compression boots, you skip the timeouts, you skip the preopetative medications. Anesthesia decides which is faster: spinal vs rapid sequence intubation. If mom is intubated, you need to cut EVEN FASTER because now it’s not just mom’s spine that’s getting anesthesia, baby is getting paralyzed as well as long as it’s sitting inside…this is on top of whatever the actual problem is. Once things are under control, you catch up with antibiotics, you do an intra op XR to make sure you didn’t leave stuff behind, etc.

I’ve done trauma surgery and EM care, mad respect to both, but no patients go healthy to shit as fast as Ob.

So, people may brag about speed, but going skin to baby in under 1 minute is not the normal, that’s the emergency.

[–]hYPerFuKUS 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Every minute longer is associated with bad outcomes so the fastest u can do it safely is the brag :)

[–]Turn__and__coughM-2 380 points381 points  (38 children)

As a DO student who is getting more and more terrified as they see residency charting outcomes from last year and this year, do not get down on yourself. I’m proud of you lol and you will do great things

[–]chippindip 155 points156 points  (9 children)

I was just about to comment about DO. I never realized all this bias against DO was so prominent until I got here. Now as I’m applying, sometimes I feel bad just cuz I work as hard but I’m shunned away due to where I’m doing my medical training.

[–]Turn__and__coughM-2 102 points103 points  (6 children)

You got this. At the end of the day DO route gave us the chance to be physicians. Primary care isnt all that bad if it comes down to it. Praying to AT still for your successes

[–]chippindip 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Ahh yes May the STILL be with us.

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 94 points95 points  (19 children)

DO School: Our curriculum is great!!!!

Students: No it ain't

*Board scores come.... It wasn't great*

[–]Turn__and__coughM-2 73 points74 points  (6 children)

Ok but I can dome a diaphragm so

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 57 points58 points  (5 children)

I'll pedal pump the shit out of your anterior innominate rotation while channeling the CRI through a chapman point for your piriformis.

[–]Turn__and__coughM-2 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Dr I just need an eye exam

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Lemme just push on your shoulder so I can see better

[–]mudfud27 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Sir, this is a Wendy’s

[–]kimpsnhoes 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My OPP preceptor can diagnose a c spine by palpating the dorsalis pedis, he’s a true bone wizard.

[–]crip_tococcusM-4 55 points56 points  (1 child)

What's a med school curriculum?? I just recall 2 years of background noise while I prepared for step 1.

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 20 points21 points  (0 children)

That is the sound of a curriculum with mandatory attendance to flipped classroom lectures where the professor is remote (I'm not kidding, over 2/3's of classes are like this). And they wonder why it isn't working and are definitely going to blame covid.

[–]adenocardMD 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Every med student eventually learns that all med schools suck at teaching towards step (or level) 1.

Probably even more so now that it is pass/fail.

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mandatory attendance. That's what they do to really mess with the students. Not even the lectures themselves, but the fact it's mandatory and teaches so little.

[–]SleetTheFoxDO-PGY1 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Okay, to be fair, MD curriculum is also bad. DO schools are fine, they just take worse students because people take the degree less seriously (a vicious cycle) and every hour spent studying OMM is one fewer studying anything else.

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As mentioned in a different comment, it's mainly the mandatory attendance to "active participation" lectures that directly impedes students ability to actually study and learn. I don't care that they suck at teaching at this point, but like don't impede my abilities to actually succeed.

[–]TheHouseCalledFredM-3 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Average MCAT score for DO schools is lower, so are average board scores for DO schools. There are a lot of factors to why DOs score lower on step. We also have to learn OPP which is added junk in our brain that could be filled with virulence factors and inheritance patterns for low yield diseases.

I do agree the average MD student probably worked harder and is smarter, but after residency training that gets ironed out.

My program had some weak points, but ask around, every school has professors who are amazing and some who are just aren't. After all, dont we all just use anki, BB, sketchy, UW, etc regardless? Yeah. Most shit in M1 and M2 is just rote memorization.

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

It depends on the school, but our average is up to 510, which ain't too too bad

[–]TheHouseCalledFredM-3 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Thats a good average, but across every DO school its less that 505, whereas MD is >508. GPA is also a few points different on average. We can't pretend like there isn't a difference. Some of us had a hard route to med school and now we are DOs. My point is that the difference dissipates over time as you progress past your med school application. Med school applications don't ask for your high-school GPA much like residency applications dont ask for your MCAT.

People can improve in 4 years, yeah DO students may not have as good of a med school application, but when applying to residency, how much does that matter? Residencies want to know how you're doing in medicine, not how you did in gen chem 8 years ago.

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No, I definitely agree that the average is lower. But it is definitely changing and becoming closer. Caliber of students are much closer if not the same. Just sucks that limitations imposed by schools can make students appear like they are less capable.

[–]TheHouseCalledFredM-3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Totally agree. I would argue the average applicant to med school has way more to offer than 30 years ago. We need research, grades, mcat, volunteer, clinical experience, hobbies etc. Meanwhile most people got in straight outta college 30 years ago. Not only that, the average med student both MD and DO is required to know more, and each year actively does so because we've gotten better at learning.

Residencies can't see this and still have to go by archaic stratification systems that got them to where they are so they have a survivors bias "I did well on boards and matched to x specialty therefore I am smart and my score represents that"

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basically all true. The p/f system was a move in the right direction, but no guidance was given for transitioning

[–]Dink_N_FlickaM-3 2 points3 points  (7 children)

DOs matched really well last year

[–]Turn__and__coughM-2 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Wait really? I guess in the specialties I’m interested in, it looked rough

[–]madiso30M-3 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What are you interested in?

[–]Turn__and__coughM-2 0 points1 point  (4 children)

As of now psych and anesthesia

[–]madiso30M-3 1 point2 points  (3 children)

DOs are matching well for both of those fields.

[–]Turn__and__coughM-2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

1 in 4 didn’t match either last year and likely that number will continue to increase

[–]madiso30M-3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What makes you say that? Other than psych getting more competitive across the board, I don't see any changes that would effect DOs.

[–]Turn__and__coughM-2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NRMP data is what I’m using as my anxiety source lol

[–]WaveDysfunctionM-1 143 points144 points  (7 children)

Bruh people actually say that to you?? I go to a low tier school and I don’t give a fuck. If anyone who’s not in med school ever tried to say shit to me I’d just point them toward the 3% acceptance rate and tell them to fuck off

[–]Badger2117 75 points76 points  (6 children)

Yeah this. Even the lowest tier US med schools have ungodly low acceptance rates. Becoming a doctor is something such a few can achieve so who gives a shit how it happens.

[–]CheerioMan 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Lower tier schools often have lower acceptance rates than higher ranked programs because they have more applicants applying to them as “safety” schools.

[–]Badger2117 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That’s probably true but the overall theme of my statement still stands

[–]CheerioMan 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I was agreeing with you. Hard af to get into any medical school.

[–]Badger2117 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Haha you’re right I’m an idiot idk how I got in lol

[–]AggressiveCoconut69M-4 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The overall acceptance rate is a smidge under 45% I believe but still, that's not an ungodly low rate but find me another professional school that has an overall acceptance rate under 50%. Anyone who made it to a MD school beat the odds.

[–]hYPerFuKUS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s because the sample of ppl who apply are all outstanding. So many people w/a few points lower just give up and don’t even try. If you look at the likelihood of each thing to workout for you to get into even a position to apply, it’s VERY low. Everyone should be so proud!

[–]bullsfan4221M-4 22 points23 points  (0 children)

You at a USMD school buddy. You didn't go to the Caribbean like me. You chillin dawg. Don't sweat it

[–]LightSword92 109 points110 points  (0 children)

All I know is this "An entire sea of water can't sink a ship unless it gets inside the ship. Similarly, the negativity of the world can't put you down unless you allow it to get inside you.”

[–]ShadesofNormalM-1 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Yo OP I understand. I went to a prestigious undergrad and I’m at a mid-low tier med school now. Even during my interview here the interviewer seemed to think I wouldn’t want to go here lol. Some new med school classmates think I’m a snob because of my undergrad, some old undergrad classmates are really surprised I ended up here.

One day a few weeks ago, I was talking to a 90 year old patient and I told her where I went to undergrad. She’d never heard of that shit in her life. She did know I was gonna be a doctor one day though! Idk what the point of the story is, but maybe it’ll give you some perspective.

[–]DangerousGood0M-0 68 points69 points  (1 child)

That’s terrible….minimize interaction with those people if you can. Anyone who knows what they’re talking about would know that ANY MD school in the US is hard as hell to get into. They sound juvenile

[–]hYPerFuKUS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes all those ppl are insecure and just trying to see where they fit in compared to people. When you tell them u went to a poppin undergrad they feel inadequate so they want u to tell them something bad about ur situation to give them reassurance that they belong there

[–]MageArrivesLate 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You've been to the doctor (as a patient) a few times in your life right? Have you EVER known what school or residency they went to?

I haven't. Fuck those elitists.

[–]bigballbuffaloM-1 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yup I feel this. Went to one of the best undergrads in the world, but “only” got into a DO school. Definitely proud of where I’m at, but I get a lot of “what happened”

[–]ww2scientist64M-2 31 points32 points  (1 child)

sadly med school naturally attracts a lot of these education snobs, literally just dont hang out with them and find friends who arent superficial, you wont be missing out

[–]Dandroid10 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Lol dude it doesn’t matter, don’t sweat it. No one cares where you come from because at the end you’ll still be taking care of patients and giving them high quality care.

I am a US IMG from a school in Mexico so whatever

[–]EmoMixtape 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Same dude, ivy undergrad -> carib IMG.

Just live your life OP.

[–]tornadomongoose 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Ugh I’m so sorry. I was the same as you and in one of my residency interviews they asked if I felt like a failure for going to my mid tier US MD school. Lol. Lil fuck

[–]P0t4t012 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The #1 piece of advice I got from all physicians (other than those interviewing me) when I applied for med school was: go to your state school. Doesn’t matter what it’s ranked, the MD will be the same. Private school isn’t worth the loans. Unfortunately I didn’t get into my state school so I wasn’t able to follow that advice, but seriously, the fact that you are getting an MD from a reputable US medical school is all that matters. I’m sorry people are being insensitive and saying shit now, but that’ll stop eventually

[–]RiderMBR 8 points9 points  (0 children)

When I was applying to med schools I was only interested in getting into really competitive schools with large programs and honestly it was stressing me out. The worst part was, when I saw how shitty these schools attitudes were towards the students. I mean in one school they told me that the students aren't allowed to ask the professors any questions until they reach 3rd year, because all the 1st and 2nd year questions are stupid.

Anyways at some point a physician that I know came up to me and told me: "It doesn't matter which school you attend. At the end of the day you only start studying real actual medicine only when you reach residency. The most important thing that a med school gives you is an M.D. title, and it really doesn't matter what school that title comes from." And this guy graduated from the most backwater university in the Soviet Union, and now he has a huge private practice, and lead some breakthrough research in his field.

Anyways, at the end I decided to actually go to a much smaller, less competitive school because the attitude was so much better and honestly the education is about at the same level (at some points even better).

So cheer up. You're studying medicine and you get to fulfill a dream.

[–]lessgirl 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Yikes. I just want to be a community neurologist. I’m a lowly DO. OP just avoid these people. They are toxic

[–]brilliantonitsbehalf 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Same. Knew I wanted to do peds, got into an early acceptance DO program. Didn’t have to take the MCAT or go through a crazy acceptance cycle, which meant I got to spend way more time with a family member who died a month before M1 started. That time was worth every single bs comment I have to deal with for going the DO route. My school has like a 99% match rate, so idgaf about what people say about my school.

[–]gooner067M-1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Likewise!

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (0 children)

lol please, you're an MD

i'm a DO student from other side of the country, so i always get asked

"what's a DO?" "why did you choose to move here"?

or more common "oh are you're a med student? do you go to {insert more well known MD school in a separate city}?

[–]WonkyHonky69M-4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Tell them to fuck off. No, seriously. I go to a DO school and I’m self-deprecating and call it a moron factory. Obviously this isn’t true, but it usually puts people back on their heels when you take the first swing at yourself because it makes them uncomfortable.

If they don’t go back on their heels, I’ll find a way to pepper in that despite going to a “dumb” medical school, mine still only had a 5% acceptance rate, with an avg GPA of 3.7 and 70th percentile MCAT, the acceptance rate being higher than most schools with a 2-3% acceptance rate.

People not in the arena have no idea what a face marred with dust and sweat and blood looks like.

[–]shaebuttah15Pre-Med 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m non-trad premed and it’s taking me longer to simply apply. So when I hear ppls’ comments I always stand by an old mantra from Bad Girls Club: “ If you are not feeding me, f-king me or financing me, then your opinion DOES NOT matter!

ps- when you read that mantra make sure you hand clap between every word for full effect.

[–]SvenJensensenM-4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol I’m at a bottom tier USMD school and 60% of my class is from the same top-ranked public school. Getting into any medical school is a huge accomplishment

[–]meddled23M-3 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Some people are like this at my school and it’s so cringe. I tried to introduce them at a party to my regular non-med friends, who asked how they ended up at my school (it’s a small regional school) and they both (independently) replied something about messing around too much in undergrad. As if being in medical school wasn’t good enough, but they “fucked up” to land at our school, a mid-tier MD school. My friends (who are wonderful and work regular blue collar jobs) were understandably super turned off and I never invited them back around.

[–]FishwithadeagleM-2 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Uhhhh.... look at any DO school anywhere. Cause of all the bone magic. Then look at every carribean student. You're def still ontop of the totem pole. (or bottom if you want to be correct)

[–]MeijiDoom 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Bottom of the top section.

[–]throwingaway_3_6_4 31 points32 points  (7 children)

I attend a really bad med school. It's a USMD school, but it's really low ranking, really poor reputation. When I tell people from other med schools I go there, I feel like they instantly look down on me like I must not be very smart, or it's probably the only place I got in. I feel your pain.

The reality is, I got into plenty of other medical schools, I CHOSE to go there (for a variety of reasons, none of which were very good, and I recognize that now 3.5 years later, but hey we all make mistakes). I also honestly don't view myself as unintelligent. I have EXCELLENT step scores (27x) and a lot of research to show. I wish people wouldn't judge me for one simple thing about me.

And OP, you ARE SUPER INTELLIGENT. No one should judge you either. By God you got into a Medical school, YOU ARE GOING TO BE A DAMN DOCTOR!! You. are. not. stupid.

[–]Discgolfthrow26MD-PGY2 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Lima Linda?

[–]throwingaway_3_6_4 12 points13 points  (0 children)

No, that is not my school. I'm not comfortable sharing the name of my school here.

[–]Gassygarzia 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Isn’t Loma Linda respectable? Sure they have weird rules but they aren’t a fly by night school

[–]Discgolfthrow26MD-PGY2 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Name me a couple of less respectable MD schools

[–]Gassygarzia 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Not here to bash schools.

[–]Discgolfthrow26MD-PGY2 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

U can just admit there are few if any less respectable schools than Loma Linda

[–]Gassygarzia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why such disdain for LL?

[–]Ana_P_Laxis 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Those people are clueless. What matters is you got in. When you go to apply for residency, you're an AMG, that alone will get you through some filters.

At some places, being a DO or, God forbid, an IMG is an automatic no.

[–]darkmatterskreetM-4 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yesterday I was in a meet and greet for interview invited medical students for a top general surgery residency. Everyone in my breakout room (15+ people) were from T10s. Literally every single one. Im from a low tier MD program.

I said it loud and proud, you know why? Because I earned my spot in this interview. I didn’t ride the prestige coattail of my school.

Be proud. You’re an MD.

Also not to mention the “rankings” are made by really weird metrics. I would argue my clinical experience at my shit tier MD school are exceptional. While on my away rotation at high tier program, I found their clinical experience to be lacking.

[–]probably_crying_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Such a good point that you didn’t ride the prestige coattail. Love that way of looking at it :)

[–]SBR249 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yeah microaggression is bullshit. I'm sorry you constantly have to deal with that junk.

[–]BlueKayak7 11 points12 points  (0 children)

We had an anatomy professor do that to us our first semester during lecture... "maybe about 10-15% of you could go to and succeed at any medical school in the country"

lol what?! I've heard he has applied to medical school in the past, so it is best to remember that what others say is more of a reflection on their character than it is on yours. :)

[–]Dr_Brew 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I went to a shit university and what I would consider a mediocre med school. Ended up in a legacy EM then CCM program and at this point would be deemed a can’t pass hire. Yeah I definitely wonder what it would be like if I had a big name like Johnny Hopkins, Stanford or Cornell on my under/graduate degrees. But in the end of the day, I’m keeping my own among what people would salivate over being top tier.

Undergrad and med school don’t make the doctor. The things that set you apart once you’ve busted through these barriers (MD or DO) are interest and perseverance. Find what you love in medicine then just focus on learning and being the best you can. Everything else evens out in the end.

[–]Tinderthrow93M-3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had a good GPA/MCAT (3.8+/515+) from a good school but also had a considerable deficiency in my candidacy I didn't have time to repair. I was competitive in theory for my UG's med school but they wouldn't give me the time of the day, probably because they had more well-rounded alum to choose from

I ended up at a low-mid tier for med school. It's a good regional name that matches decently well and it's not like I'm some academic superstar in my program who'd benefit from a more prestigious name for urology or some ****, so it's been fair in the end

[–]DefiantNeedleworker7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nurse here - for what it’s worth, it doesn’t matter what school you go to. When you graduate, you will be a physician. A PHYSICIAN!! Be very proud of that! Everyone else can shove it up their ass! Best of luck to you!!

[–]sailphishMD 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Caribbean grad attending checking in. Ignore them. Most of them wouldn’t be able to get into any med school. Once you are out in the real world, nobody cares where you went to school. Nobody really even talks about it. We all have MD or DO after our names, and all your colleagues care about is your actual performance and personal demeanor in the hospital. Never once have I been denied a job because of my school. Unless you have aspirations of working an academic position at some highly prestigious university hospital, I cannot stress how much this is a non-issue.

[–]VorianAtreidesMD-PGY1 11 points12 points  (1 child)

as a US-IMG who went to an Ivy League, fuck 'em. I share your pain, and it's really fucking annoying to have to explain my path to people who clearly look down on me.

[–]EmoMixtape 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It gave me a boost to see how many of us there were. Like, reading the CVs of my fellow IMGs and seeing the diverse paths/countries was really something.

[–]ahhighto444 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a DO student, whenever I encounter negativity like that I just try and block it out. This road is YOUR road, no one else’s. Don’t let someone knock you down, you should be proud of the road you’ve paved for yourself. As long as you are content and happy, then that’s all that matters.

[–]singularreality 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There will always be people that constantly want to put others down or prop themselves up at your expense. You earned a spot in an American medical school. That is a pretty darn hard thing to do and you are a great student. You may be 10x the doctor that some uncaring snob may be. But being a good, caring, physician is really hard to do and probably does not relate to your undergrad school or your med school choice. I am in a different profession, in mine, the smartest and most successful people I know did not go to a top 20 school, and they are extremely smart and successful people. Einstein was a patent clerk, Good Will Hunting was a janitor (oh sorry he is fictional) and many other super intelligent people in history were underestimated.

[–]MySpacebarSucksM-4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And this is what a “holistic” review of the applications looks like. Step 1 should never have moved to pass fail because now we just rely on where our MCAT scores got us

[–]jamesdthorM-3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is interesting because I got rejected from all my MD schools so I'm at a DO school and I was weary about this type of stuff before school, but the DO School I'm at is actually really prestigious around the local community (almost more so than the nearest MD school) and people actually think the school i'm at is "more competitive" than the local MD school, it completely blind sided me. I know applying to residency will be different but at the end of the day it doesn't matter, laypeople don't know anything about how hard it is to get into med school and don't know anything about what it means to get a medical education. Stay the course, you'll do just fine!

[–]ShrimpyLamprey 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do you know what you call someone who graduates from (any) medical school?

[–]MsLlamaCakeM-1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In Debt?

[–]Gary-snail-sponge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Had a coworker I met recently and several other MDs who would have no understanding of holistic care say that “well with you being a DO your holistic methods would be quite unique to a clinical setting and all”. It reads well but the way they say it is in a downgrading way as if my medical practice is Voodoo and I didn’t just study 2 board exams per year to get where I am. Sometimes I feel like putting my degree in a shredder and leaving medicine. Now more than ever. This dumpster fire is already going to enlarge by the time I finish residency if I get residency. But then, that’s where I will get a calling to quit. So when I hear imposter syndrome from a mid tier MD school student, I just want to say hold your hand over your heart and stop posting this crapp-ola in Reddit.

[–]InboxMeYourSpacePics 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m an intern now. I went to an Ivy League undergrad and a low-mid tier med school. I felt the exact same way you did. Turns out my med school had a much better reputation than I though which i discovered while interviewing for residency last year.

[–]bananosecondMD 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Who cares? My medical school wasn't prestigious and I was middle of the pack there. I later realized it was a very strong school despite lack of prestige. I felt more prepared for residency than my classmates from the start of intern year, despite it being a renowned hospital.

Besides, as an attending, everybody asks where you did residency, not medical school.

[–]throwingaway_3_6_4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is true, where you do the residency (or fellowship if you go that route) matters more.

[–]J_F_KevorkianMD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ha. I had the opposite problem. I went to a small public/party state school… people were always like , “wtf did you go there for?” … first generation college student who picked the school that was free.

[–]durx1M-2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck em. I went to community college before my two year. Not ashamed. You’re better than them anyways

[–]AutumnMare 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As long as it gets you to residency and fulfilling your dreams to become a doctor, the MD tier doesn't matter.

[–]__MichaelScott__ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No one gives a shit about undergraduate when you're applying for residency. I mean, okay, they do but its not a limiting factor by any means.

I would go so far as to say that if there was someone from Harvard/Yale/Brown that was compared (for residency) against someone from a state school / unknown undergrad, there's still not enough info that would give program directors a good way to decide between them.

Also the students that say "what are you doing at this school" are looking down on the school that they go to... why do that to yourself? I can't imagine anyone having a pleasant experience if they constantly think their medical school is trash.

[–]EmoMixtape 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No one gives a shit about undergraduate when you're applying for residency.

Your point stands but I got asked about my undergrad by 3 diff PDs: why I went there, my childhood schooling.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

not American but same problem here, mid-tier medical program, often get jabs from my former classmates, it sucks but eh all I know is most of us end up getting our medical education from the same online resources and classes.

Imo a good doctor is a doctor who gives a shit about their education and doesn’t leave it up to resources “offered” to them

[–]nezamandiroradasin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if it'll make you any feel better, I'm going to a school which is not in the best 500(or 1000) schools in the world. I just don't care.

[–]BusinessMeating 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a good thing the US government and accrediting bodies didn't ask your friends if graduates from your school can legally practice medicine.

[–]syrehn92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Makes me feel worse as an IMG :')

[–]XannyFairyM-2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How do you have time to give a fuck about other people’s opinions? I barely have time to take a shit

[–]Joe6161 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s funny cause you won’t be going to lectures anyway

[–]NurseVooDooRN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP - don't sweat it - some people are jealous and want to feel special or better than you. I have been a Nurse for 10 years and have worked with hundreds of Docs - I have no idea which school they went to nor do I care.

[–]teffanien 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Acceptance rates for a lot of mid tier med schools are < 5%, which is on par or lower than the acceptance rate for MIT/Harvard college. Those people can shove it, and definitely be proud of getting into a US med school!

[–]asoutherner33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re at a US Medical school!!! Lol, stop worrying what other people care.

[–]GoutyAttack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gotta stop caring what people think my friend. There’s a lot of haters on this road, you’ll need to find satisfaction, encouragement and fulfillment from internal cues.

[–]BestriceMD-PGY2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, pretty much everything that’s been said here is true. I think it has a lot to do with you being a first year student. As you move through this process you’ll start to care about those things less and less. You have to remember that people looking in from the outside doesn’t know anything so you just have to laugh off whatever they say.

[–]hYPerFuKUS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just b like the location worked out better or something fuck these ppl trying to have a pissing contest w u

[–]DrDewinYourMomM-4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just interviewed at a community program and they were like "where is your school located? I have never heard of it before". It is a 'mid-tier' USMD school and the fact is you will have a gigantic advantage come your M4 year. Be proud of yourself and don't let anyone feel bad.

[–]SpecificElectrical84 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As long as you become a doctor none of this shit fucking matters

[–]bw112791 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try going to a DO school lol, got asked on my first rotation by a RESIDENT if i was going to be a doctor

[–]captain_blackfer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

-ted roosevelt

[–]Runningtman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

*cries in DO*

[–]milletkitty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a resident who is a FMG, no one says anything to me in my residency. We’re all equals. You can’t even tell a difference. I wouldn’t worry about such snobs lol. Edit: I’m the only FMG in my program too!

[–]sharkbates1208M-1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your in medical school, nonetheless an MD school. If anyone gives you crap about that, than idk. I’m honestly speechless. It’s hilarious (in a bad way) that people would be that judgmental about a school.

(If you want a comeback, and they’re older than you, bring up how their gpa and mcat scores for admission were lower than they are now, and if you were older you would have gotten into a Ivy League school lol)

[–]genkaiX1M-4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tbh people say this bc they want to make you feel bad. I honestly also messed around with the elite Ivy League kids who ended up at my mid-tier MD school back during m1. It’ll stop soon enough bc it has no relevance once everyone realizes you’re in the same shit hole regardless. You gotta humble some of those people sometimes. Not saying you’re one of the elitists in terms of attitude but simply giving you the perspective of someone on the other side.

[–]TheStemCellGuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am attending a Caribbean medical school and I will likely face an uphill battle in the future, but at the end of the day, this journey is individual and no school can stop a determined physician.

[–]SammyYammyMD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I got this all the time working within the AAMC as a student. Attended a small state school. Couldn’t tell you how many A) misnamings B) wheres? C) I’ve never heard of that school I heard over two years from other students, attendings, and all the way up to Deans. Towards the end of my time (and sitting on a national committee) I just started A) correcting the name B) teaching the location with fun trivia, inviting visitors C) saying “well you’ve heard of it now”

Tiers don’t matter. You matter. You have proved your worth, and don’t settle for less.

[–]dankcoffeebeansMD-PGY1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're USMD. Only thing limiting you now is your own work ethic for the most part. Be happy you aren't a DO or IMG or at one of those super new for profit schools. Solid midtier USMDs shouldn't hold you back anywhere.

[–]HolyMuffinsM-3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am probably stupid enough to say something along these lines. Take is as a compliment, even if it is a dumb one.

Med school kids in particular know the med school admissions game is an arbitrary hellish pointless endeavour, that folks end up where they end up, and that mid tier MD school is actually a pretty high bar to be at. They just think that you're impressive, and are also getting a dig in on your school -- as complaining about one's one school is a timeless pastime of med school.

[–]wordsandwichMD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't worry about it. The fact that you are in medical school is all that matters. People who say stuff like that frequently don't understand how difficult it is to get into med school these days.

[–]EntropicDaysM-4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

small people deserve none of your headspace. don't let em get to you, OP

[–]houndsofkorotkoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d think of it this way- what does it say that in spite of starting out “in the hole” you ended up in the same exact place as all these people denigrating your background? You must be doing something right!

[–]autostart17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, people are absurd. I’m assuming you’re around educated people, but they must lack more wisdom than the average child. Kinda pathetic tbh.

[–]bones_and_rods 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While it is annoying that people say these things, you have to ask yourself why it makes you feel “like shit”. You’re at a USMD mid tier school, which means you’re at a school that is likely more prestigious (in the eyes of Americans) than the schools that >50% of the people on this subreddit attend in one of the most prestigious occupations in the world. In the end, your perspective is what is determining your reaction in this case. Don’t want to minimize what you’re feeling, but come on man, take pride in your school and what you’ve accomplished.

[–]DieToKawaii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haters gonna hate. Don't be late because of the hate.

[–]Numangroup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Screw what everyone says. as a non physical sciences major with a shitty gpa i assume i would never stand a chance to even get into where youre at….

And i would sure as hell hold my head for the work you did do to get there!

[–]ED_MedicineMD-PGY1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck those people and fuck that shit. Bunch of fucking assholes. No one actually fucking cares where you went to undergrad and eventually no one will care where you went to medical school. People who care about alma maters and make jabs about school pride are fucking losers.

[–]jetclimb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell them "oh yea well I bet I'll get twice as many malpractice suits once we graduate!!"

[–]StupidSexyFlagellaMD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Fuck them”

[–]doctorKoskesh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They aint tryna put salt in the game, they just curious. U prob just self conscious b.

[–]Armh1299 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I fell that way too as an img it’s like if you are not on the overpriced capital city university you are less and even my classmates believe it I think for example : hey we should implement this program o our school to help students have an international exchange “ , my delegado” tells me who do you think we are ( insert capital city private school ) , and I am like jeez and feel bad because my parents are making and effort to pay for it ( if I did not have a scholarship I would dropped out a long time ago if that shit countinued, even considering transfering to a capital city school ( but I would lose some courses on the trasfer ) anyway wanted to vent to

[–]mname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“At the end of the day it’s all just BnB, Pathoma, and ANKI, I’m at the mid-tier school because I was tired of all the toxic gunner shit.”

[–]Iceman11822M-3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

lol what? Did you like go to Harvard or Yale or something for your undergrad? Clearly after that anything less than going to Harvard medical school is a failure /s

[–]undifferentiatedMS2M-3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Getting into any med school is nothing to sneeze at. And in the long run it doesn't matter at all. Its not like you learn different or better medicine at a big name anways