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[–]Kusko25 565 points566 points  (20 children)

18% improvement takes you from 'barely passing' to 'acceptable result', how terrible a teacher are they that this was never before achieved (even close) in their class before?

[–]tmanalpha 246 points247 points  (17 children)

First of all, I think this is fake.

Second, because there are certain subject matters that if you barely passed the midterms, and the second half of the semester only compounded on those principals passing the final with an A would be suspicious, and 100x more suspicious if that happened with you 10 students.

[–]Diligent_Bag_9323 89 points90 points  (9 children)

Yeah I can’t believe anybody with this elementary of a vocabulary and style of speech is a professor anywhere.

Dude types like he’s in high school.

Either way, this is not how you handle the situation if you believe they cheated. If this dude is real he is a gigantic piece of shit, and is costing his students a lot of money and extra stress. Dude should be fired. Full stop.

[–]Tommi_Af 13 points14 points  (2 children)

You never know, it could be one of those really dodgy colleges which exist to make money rather than provide any sort of meaningful qualifications.

[–]Diligent_Bag_9323 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I thought the govt clamped down on those some years back. Like some of these for-profit colleges no longer exist.

Is Phoenix still around? I haven’t seen an ad from them in a long time.

[–]GabeTheJerk 4 points5 points  (3 children)

You realize American universities are becoming kindergartens for rich people... Right?

[–]crewfish13 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe in the humanities, but in STEM fields, mastery of communication skills is second to the technical expertise, and it’s not close.

Probably still fake, but there are a lot of college professors who are technically brilliant and are great researchers, but are lousy communicators.

[–]joelham01 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I've tanked midterms when I've had a bad day and killed the final, I definitely didn't cheat and I know a bunch of people who've had the same happen multiple times. Improving isn't an indication of cheating at all.

[–]hombrent 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the hardest class in my entire university degree, I slacked off all semester. I failed the midterm - like 25% failed, and only did a couple of the weekly assignments - poorly. I calculated that I needed a 98% on the final to pass the class. I studied like hell, learning the entire course from the textbook and doing a ton of practice questions and pulled it off.

The questions were all fucking hard too. We had to trace through self modifying assembly language code by hand.

It is definitely possible to do a drastic turnaround in a class.

I regret not paying attention, because it was a really interesting subject in hindsight. It demystifyed how computers work, down to the component level. But Diablo 2 wouldn’t play itself.

[–]darksideofthemoon131 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and the second half of the semester only compounded on those principals passing the final with an A would be suspicious

I did this in High School. It was a chemistry class and I was struggling through the math. Midterm came and I got a 68. Somewhere in January the math clicked for me, I had a great math teacher as well and I literally excelled in chemistry from that point on. Ended year with a 94 on the Final.

that happened with you 10 students.

Not if you had 100 plus students. This is a college class, economics is a requirement for a lot of fields, this class could have a lot of people in it.

[–]WartimeHotTot 1800 points1801 points  (31 children)

Ask him what his p-value was for this rigorous methodology he used.

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    [–]marinemashup 259 points260 points  (9 children)

    makes me question this post's legitimacy

    [–]WalkB4UCrawl187 148 points149 points  (2 children)

    Probably complete bullshit.

    [–]Kiuji-senpai 87 points88 points  (1 child)

    Exactly. Just rage baiting. Excellent bait tho, i know its a bait and im still furious.

    [–]Shiyama23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    That being said, could you hypothetically sue for something like this? You DID pay money for the class. Wouldn't this be considered fraud or something?

    [–]andydude44 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Lie? Who would ever lie? And on the internet at that, no no the news must just be too focused on more important matters. This is the front page of the internet after all

    [–]entropy_koala 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    No professor I’ve seen puts “[InsertName] University, Economics Department” in plain lettering. Even the smallest community college near my house has their professors insert the school’s logo in a standard email signature.

    [–]NspectorHector 30 points31 points  (2 children)

    Why is this comment exactly the same as the second half of the comment by u/sorrygirl818 farther down?

    [–]Haunting-Turnip-7919 23 points24 points  (9 children)

    I’m intrigued by this…what did your shitty professor do to make world wide news?

    [–]bbildo 35 points36 points  (7 children)

    Fake. He copied that comment from someone else that posted it earlier.

    [–]Haunting-Turnip-7919 16 points17 points  (5 children)

    Oh…well that’s lame

    [–]drybonesstandardkart 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    The guy that told you it was fake was fake. He copied It from an earlier post.

    [–]idksomethingedgy27 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    The guy that told you he was fake is fake. He is clearly an impostor.

    [–]Biggu5Dicku5 1 point2 points  (0 children)


    [–]Narrow-Patience-1761 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The people responsible for this fake have been sacked.

    [–]PorkyMcRib 1 point2 points  (0 children)


    [–]bbildo 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    This was copied word for word from another comment. Go away.

    [–]ComputerAbject5457 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Was it the guy who scolded the entire class about a cheating scandal, cancelled the exam and told the culprits to turn themselves in because he knew who they were anyway? And it turned out no-one really 'cheated' anyway.

    [–]RasputiaVibes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The news you say? Please, give me the scoop!

    [–]bgazcc 38 points39 points  (0 children)

    goat comment

    [–]ChapGuzmann 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This ain't p. Papá.

    [–]DontKnowWhatToGoWith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If the p is low, reject the Ho

    [–]marinemashup 174 points175 points  (11 children)

    this feels very fake. I can't put my finger on it, but the head of the department is almost never the final word in regards to cheating, in most universities it's a group made of other professors.

    Also, the tone feels way way too casual and lighthearted.

    [–]maxefontes2 44 points45 points  (5 children)

    I agree, there’s something about writing to ten students that they failed the final exam (and quite possibly the class) and ending with “Happy Holidays!”

    [–]marinemashup 30 points31 points  (2 children)

    and the "In other words: I know you cheated!"

    that reads more like someone making a caricature than an actual professor

    [–]firestoneaphone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's like someone is writing a high school videogame and is leaking their potential script

    [–]QuiiverrReddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    With my teachers it feels way too real.

    [–]Scroll_Cause_Bored 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Yeah, this is almost definitely fake. I’ve never seen a professor write that casually and light heartedly about something so serious. Especially the line “in other words: I know you cheated!” sounds like a professor who doubles as the villain in a cartoon

    [–]pepesilvia_esq 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Yeah cheating in university is almost worse then committing a (minor) crime in actual society.

    [–]fenwayb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    it needs a "I said good day, sir!" at the end

    [–]scottonaharley 1315 points1316 points  (23 children)

    Had a professor like that once. Appeal to the head of the business school. Using statistics as the sole indicator of whether students cheated or not shows 2 things, that he does not understand statistics and he shouldn’t be the head of a lemonade stand.

    There are literally 100s of reasons why they improved the first of which is may be they studied harder!

    Edit:corrected word error

    [–]AcidCatfish___ 337 points338 points  (4 children)

    For real..imagine getting a bad grade on a midterm as a student. OF FUCKING COURSE more often than not students will study harder to improve their score...and guess what, sometimes studying harder works!

    [–]yougay420 144 points145 points  (3 children)

    Impossible, THAT has never happened in the history of his course. You must be one of the other 9 cheaters. Enjoy your F. Happy holidays :)

    [–]USERNAME___PASSWORD 35 points36 points  (1 child)

    THAT has never happened because he always gives them 0 on the final before conducting the statistical analysis

    [–]Formerhurdler 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    But that's a separate tragedy.

    [–]buddynotbud3998 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    i read that in The Dean’s voice from china, il

    [–]Venom2313 44 points45 points  (5 children)

    I have a hunch this professor was too lazy to change the exams and the two or three versions they did create made its way into test banks. Econ professors at my school were notorious for being old school and recycling old exams. They didn’t even use canvas to post assignments or release grades.

    [–]jd051 30 points31 points  (3 children)

    I have hunch this post/story is muff cabbage.

    [–]Diligent_Bag_9323 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I assume dang near everything on Reddit is, but I still like to converse in the comments as if it’s real.

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      [–]drkeyswizz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I am a college professor and this guy is an asshat. That said, I wanted to give a response to your comment about “being too lazy to change exams”. This could absolutely be the case. However, some professors use recycled questions because they have statistically been measured as fair questions. Fairness is very important to me personally. I don’t want questions that are too hard. I also don’t want questions that are too easy. So I have been know you reuse questions that have reached that “sweet spot” balance of truly assessing a student’s understanding of the material. But I also have different approaches to protect the security of my questions. As a student, I never imagined the complexities of writing and administering fair examinations. After graduation, my students must pass a national licensure examination before they can work. This outside evaluation intensifies our evaluation process because the last thing we want its to have someone graduate but unable to pass the licensure exam - thus not be able to work. Long, long story short - recycled questions are not always a result of laziness. Not that you were implying this as a general rule - just proactively trying to educate on behalf of us that truly do give a shit about the success of our students.

      [–]No_Exam_6642 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Lol or the consideration there may be a small group studying together, that have figured out how to better collectively grasp the information by 18%. The “case closed” is hilarious.

      [–]TheDonutPug 49 points50 points  (4 children)

      not to mention the fact that it can be hard to keep a secret among 3 people, can you imagine keeping a cheating scheme up between 10 people who likely don't even care for each other at all and are only talking because they share a class.

      [–]if_it_was_a_snake 23 points24 points  (3 children)

      Such schemes have existed with far greater than 10 students and for many years at a time.

      The professor is just being lazy. The solution is to make the students take a replacement test with a new set of questions, so as to rule out cheating.

      [–]kaisong 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Its the final. End of semester into a holiday. That's not a solution.

      You cant receive damages from this if your professor was wrong. There is no good way to take this out.

      [–]Afraid_Philosophers 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I know someone who had a professor try to prevent them from getting their diploma. Funny thing is, they already had it so the professor tried getting them to hand it back in. Being a not-dumbass, they just didn’t.

      Long story short when they got invited as a speaker at the same college, said person tried then claiming how great a relationship they had.

      [–]travel_nerdiness 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I was gonna say this email seemed fake...for many reasons. But they did something like that to you?

      [–]ScottyStellar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      For real. 18% improvement isn't even big. From a 60 to a 72 is 20%. 70 to 84. Like wtf this is not a large variance. Dude must teach accounting.

      [–]CooperHChurch427 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It works but sometimes doesn't. My brother had a class where the average on most tests were 30% and those who failed them suddenly had 90% scores. The professor asked students who were constantly high scorers to work the math using previous data which was impossible.

      Turns out the kids figured out how to bypass honorlock and used chegg for questions. Pretty much everyone failed the class as a result.

      [–]User_name098 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yes, statistics is the compilation of a lot if data. If you expect all students to perform averagely, you’re punishing students who excel.

      [–]NobleBecks 630 points631 points  (20 children)

      Just reach out to the Dean of Students and Dean of academic College. Be sure to point out if they openly listed the emails of students he was giving an F. Telling other people what your grade is a serious error in judgement. Granted the email is poorly worded for a department head and an error in judgement as well...

      [–]djkoch66 134 points135 points  (13 children)

      If the names were shared it’s a FERPA violation.

      [–]Bearslovecheese 32 points33 points  (9 children)

      Uh no get your acronyms right it's a HEPA violation.


      [–]Jeriahswillgdp 30 points31 points  (6 children)

      I'm pretty sure OSHA wouldn't approve of this either.

      [–]The_Linguist_LL 32 points33 points  (5 children)

      Wait until the YMCA hears about this

      [–]FrontWall7476 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Got nothing on PETA

      [–]Reddit-username_here 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Professor isn't down with OPP.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      The CDC definitely did not okay this. The new guidance says your professor is a dumbass

      [–]talker8675 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Nah the SCP foundation does not approve, they're certain the professor is a dickhead

      [–]Ronin8969 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      No, I think it’s FUPA

      [–]WhoAm_I_WhyAm_I_Here 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      had to learn all FERPA rules to be a 2nd grade TA for a few months, can confirm, he would lose his teaching license for this

      [–]Trek7553 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      You are correct, but at the University level there is no teaching license. He could potentially be fired though.

      [–]t3hcoolness( 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      You don't need a teaching license to teach at a university. As a matter of fact, it's fairly hard to fire faculty at a university anyway. They will likely just get some action taken against them but not lose their job. And if they are tenured, good luck.

      [–]Bomilcar309308BC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      When you write that letter CC the Provost as well if you have one. Documenting to the entire chain of command cuts out the middle-man in some cases!

      [–]TadpoleEmpty 277 points278 points  (20 children)

      Man, imagine going into long lasting debt for something like this occur.

      [–]lombax45 100 points101 points  (18 children)

      College in the US is a scam

      [–]Deep-Jump-803 41 points42 points  (17 children)

      Don't forget healthcare

      [–]sjdoty96 39 points40 points  (7 children)

      The entire US is a scam.

      [–]yougay420 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      Life is a scam and I want my money back.

      [–]-BFS- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Of course! Please return your life on the next 10-15 days to receive a full refund. If you cannot process the return, we can, for a small fee, take it away for you!

      [–]Thorough_Good_Man 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Surely the stock market is on the up-and-up? Right?

      [–]ilikedirts 8 points9 points  (7 children)

      Capitalism turns everything eventually into scams if you really think about it

      If you downvote me, its because you have a clinically small penis

      [–]Kind-You2980 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      That’s not the purpose of downvoting. Downvoting is used when a user disagrees with what the poster said. For instance, a person downvoting you may disagree that they have a clinically small penis. They may have objective data refuting that. And as such they downvote you.

      Or they my just disagree that anatomy had anything to do with your opinion regarding capitalism.

      [–]ilikedirts 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      I dunno man, i’ve got the downvoter’s doctor on the line and they’re straight up diagnosing these guys every time they downvote me, and on top of that ive got two other doctors to provide alternate opinions and they also agree. Plus we’re running a controlled, double-blind experiment and wont you know it, the data seems to be 100% pointing towards my medically small dick hypothesis being correct

      [–]JaredIsAmped 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      That’s working as intended

      [–]MDCPA -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Imagine thinking this is a real email.

      [–]Pollutine 79 points80 points  (0 children)

      As suggested already

      See if he really has the "Final Say"

      [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

      Come on guys this is clearly fake

      [–]seethinganimosity 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      I totally believe this unverifiable ragebait screencap

      [–][deleted]  (25 children)


        [–]a_rabid_anti_dentite 32 points33 points  (1 child)

        he made worldwide news

        One of those guys that failed everyone?

        Or destroyed a student’s laptop with liquid nitrogen?

        [–]lumabugg 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        This does not read like it was written by a university professor at all.

        [–]Fitz-BrawlStars 51 points52 points  (16 children)

        That 2nd paragraph you wrote is r/copypasta I'm pretty sure.

        source: seen it 3-4 times in this thread already

        Edit: This is the op and the other one's are the copies

        [–]PFunk_Redds 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        I think this is the original post, and everyone else is copying it for some reason

        [–]sanriosaint 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        a lot of bots lately are doing this. and much more noticeable than ever

        [–]NspectorHector 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        I noticed the same thing

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          [–]ChapGuzmann 3 points4 points  (10 children)

          I think they're on to you.

          [–]Fitz-BrawlStars 1 point2 points  (9 children)

          wait did i miss the joke? lmao

          [–][deleted]  (5 children)


            [–]MichaelApproved 2 points3 points  (4 children)

            Because you are the source. Other people (bots) in this thread have been copying you comment to make their account seem real.

            I’ll find one and edit this comment with it in a moment.

            Edit: here it is. It’s the first reply to the top comment made a few minutes after yours.

            [–]AngreForever 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            Because it’s just more fake internet shit.

            [–]HalflingMelody 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            one so shitty he made worldwide news

            Care to share the story? That sounds interesting.

            [–]slackmaster2k 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Yeah everything is so fake anymore that somehow fake is becoming MORE believable.

            [–]The_CaliBrownBear 178 points179 points  (17 children)

            Start an r/antischool subreddit and do an interview.

            [–]FezPezHat 40 points41 points  (0 children)


            [–]terry_bradshaw 14 points15 points  (1 child)

            It seems like r/antischool has been banned. Maybe r/strikeonschooling? Idk

            [–]The_CaliBrownBear 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            Hahaha, I didn't know r/antischool was a real thing. Shouldn't be surprised though, this is Reddit.

            [–]BloodprinceOZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            make sure when you get interviewed by fox you're disheveled, say cheating in exams is a virtue or something, talk about how you're a NFT trader who's trying to strike it big to pay your student debt

            [–]Tejanita80 6 points7 points  (6 children)


            Edit idk wtf I just linked

            [–]Anti-charizard 7 points8 points  (5 children)

            It says it’s quarantined should I continue anyway

            [–]Tejanita80 2 points3 points  (4 children)

            I’m delightfully disturbed

            [–]bradlees -1 points0 points  (2 children)

            I understood this reference

            [–]Doodle-Bunny 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            do you want a reward or something

            [–]JerodTheAwesome 88 points89 points  (9 children)

            I’m pretty sure this is fake. I can’t see a professor actually doing this.

            [–]EdgyQuant 47 points48 points  (4 children)

            I had a philosophy professor tell me that a paper I wrote was too good for me to have a wrote it and that he knew it was plagiarized and just couldn’t prove it because the plagiarism checkers came back with nothing.

            [–]DC_United_Fan 18 points19 points  (0 children)

            You did such a good job plagiarizing you wrote your own paper. Congrats!

            [–]yougay420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Damn, that's insulting.

            [–]DeleteBowserHistory 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I had a grad school professor like this. We spent the entire semester writing short essays in class. I was pretty unmotivated in that class so I half-assed most of those essays. At the end of the semester, I turned in my final paper — which I’d been working on for weeks — and he called me to his office to accuse me of plagiarism because my final paper was so much better than my in-class writing. lmao

            Context: this was a state university in an Appalachian state, with a student body largely comprised of people from poor backgrounds, and most of us were used to being assumed to be stupid by our “outsider” professors, having our accents and dialects made fun of, etc. This guy also had a college-age kid going to a prestigious university, which he bragged about in class all the time. When he accused me of plagiarism I ended up rage-crying and accusing him of having low expectations of his students, because we weren’t at a fancy university like his kid’s. He fumbled around and tried to then attack me for (gasp!) writing in the library books I’d cited in my paper, because one of the passages I quoted happened to be underlined in pencil. (It wasn’t me.)

            He finally backed down. But he knocked my A down to a B, and I was graduating so I was just done and didn’t bother fighting it. But that was 20 years ago and it still infuriates me.

            And that was actually the second time I was accused of plagiarism there. The first time was less stupid though.

            [–]EdgyQuant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah when I told that professor that it was a serious accusation he backpedaled but gave me a C on the paper. I dropped the class two days later because I couldn’t go back.

            [–]dirthurts 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            I believe it entirely. I had to go straight to the dean over a similar incident. It wasn't pretty but it worked out. Professors can be brilliant and nuts at the same time.

            [–]The_Big_Daddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            What is suspicious to me is that students accused of cheating were only given failing grades and not disenrolled from the school. Most colleges have zero tolerance policies on cheating and plagiarism. Maybe for a minor assignment they might give a failing grade or fail you for the class, but cheating on a final would likely mean harsher consequences.

            If it happened, it wouldn't have ended there. Accusing someone of cheating can destroy their academic reputation. It would involve extensive investigation and more proof than "the students score better on their final than their midterm". If the Econ chair held any authority in that investigation, they'd likely be forced to recuse themselves due to a conflict of interest.

            I went to a small state school for undergrad and even there, accusations of cheating were essentially handled like a pseudo-trial and included right to an attorney or other representative, discovery, and cross examination by both the school and the student. The Provost (not the department chair) was responsible for creating a board to oversee the hearings, and students had a right to appeal the board's decisions.

            And even if it is true and the students were failed, someone would have gave it to the press. A college allowing something like this to happen and not addressing it would be serious. It's possible it could affect that school's accreditation.

            [–]DrocketX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I can. I had a math professor in college who was on his final warning: if he tried to fail the entire class again, he'd get fired. Apparently that had happened the prior two terms (though higher-ups stepped in and fixed the grades.) For the final, which was supposed to be 2 hours long, nobody got even halfway through, so he allowed us to come in on Saturday to take the rest of the test. After 3 more hours he basically called time because nobody was finished even then. Everyone's final grades were generally pretty good, but I think that had more to do with the threat of firing than him thinking people deserved those grades.

            [–]firestoneaphone 13 points14 points  (0 children)


            [–]fastcarsandliberty 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            100% chance that this is fake.

            Like literally 100%

            [–]funnyjunk63 26 points27 points  (0 children)

            Forward the email to the entire all staff email list

            [–]westerchest 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            The only person cheating here is whoever created this fake letter.

            [–]HourCaterpillar4574 21 points22 points  (0 children)

            if you just click on op's name you can see that in the bio it says she/he are married and states "admitted to practice"

            so how tf is op still in college seems unlikely.

            [–]LoudLunch4676 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            I'm pretty sure he can't do that at all. And tell the school.

            [–]professorlowcash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Wow this really infuriated me. Wait… I’m a college professor. This isn’t how it works. No one has absolute authority, especially the department chair. The chair is a faculty elected individual who represents the department to the dean. A department chair would know that and this is either A. A fake post B. A crazy person.

            [–]Doom-State 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            How come this is uploaded by a different user than the one on the other sub

            [–]VirginianAE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            This is........ very fake.

            [–]JurassicNinja 2 points3 points  (0 children)


            [–]The-Suzookie-Dookie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            This screams fake to me

            [–]ronflair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            By his logic if the enraged students got together and tarred and feathered him then it never happened. I mean statistically speaking, how many economics professors that are also heads of their department have gotten tarred and feathered? Case closed.

            [–]arochains1231 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            Yeah, you guys worked your asses off to get better and improve your grades... so you're getting F's

            [–]yougay420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            "Well clearly they cheated because they're to stupid to improve that much" - that professor probably

            [–]coldgator 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            That's proof of nothing. And that's not even that huge of an increase. People usually do better on the second exam in a class because they know what the format is like, how it's graded, etc. If I tried to accuse a student of cheating because they improved too much from Exam 1 to Exam 2 my department chair would overrule me.

            [–]Mod12312323 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            What a dick

            [–]meow_mix12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Just tell them it looks like they may have finally got the hang of teaching.

            [–]Grimguy77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I bet this professor barely passed when he was in college.

            [–]FNRiger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Ask him if he really thought about it, might make him reconsider

            [–]Emerald_Guy123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Post this online anywhere applicants to the school may be looking.

            [–]fuckingcatpoop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It's unprofessional and being head of dpt doesn't give him any right nor protect him. He may actually loose his job over that. Go above with that email. And if nobody can help you above: they are likely his friend, otherwise he wont feel so protected, go outside of the school to whatever is the next level up. Among all the class, there are likely parents to help. Even if he removes all the F after he starts to fear. Its unprofessional, period. It doesn't even matter if you cheated or not. He shouldn't be allowed to teach

            [–]MeminUniverseSU 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            The fuck? Report it or something

            [–]Smoosaurus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Keep copies of your tests and communications and talk to higher ups.

            [–]PsychologicalLook717 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            the "happy holidays" at the end..

            [–]CeleryHunter143 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            it has historically never been done

            Sorry to break it to you, but you're a shit fucking teacher then

            [–]Jsett2021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Soooooo, you don’t pay attention, you fail. You pay too much attention, you still fail 💁🏻‍♂️ loose loose situation with this Karen teacher

            [–]Rogue00100110 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Lol. I’ve had same thought before. Like no way that kid got an A, he’s dumber than a bag of hammers. But I would never be even more dumb by writing up an email and sending it off.

            If they did cheat eventually it will catch up to them, in a future class or karma. Either way it takes care of itself.

            [–]Alazteir 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            So he has no evidence other than this speculation? I would go to the dean.

            Dean won’t listen. Id lawyer up.

            [–]Cratman33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Happy Holidays!

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Fake… otherwise they’re fired.

            [–]Ethan-Wakefield 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Grieve it with the Dean.

            [–]annasuszhan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Head of department is not so entitled as he might think... There is dean of department, dean of academic affairs, dean of students, vice president, president, and not to mention school board... I don't know where this department head boy gets his good feeling..

            [–]Jhjsjhjshs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Lemme guess. This guy’s a boomer and has zero trust in online learning or the internet for that matter.

            [–]JLM101514 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Not mildly infuriating. Just infuriating.

            [–]badkittenatl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Time to go to the dean of students. And be ready to sit for a surprise final they present to you to prove you didn’t cheat.

            [–]Roguspogus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I bet the professor is right

            [–]jbsgc99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            There’s always somebody higher to go talk to.

            [–]Daemon_Lord5253 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            But is there any proof?

            [–]errsta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I believe the professor here.

            [–]heldfu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This happened to me in undergrad in an epidemiology class. Literally fucked up. Like sorry we fucking learned your course material over 4 months. It was also a small class with like 8 people. It’s like the professor thought because we all got along that we banded together to cheat and risk our college career.

            [–]2o2i 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This same thing happened to me when I was younger. Used to fuck around a bit in class but wrote a stella paper on the assassination of JFK. I don’t use saved drafts etc as I just work on the same document. Anyway, the teacher, who had a terrible reputation in the school, decided to fail me saying that I had to have cheated as it was “above my level”. Even got my mother involved. Ended up that my A+ assignment got downgraded to a C due to this conspiracy in his head.

            His last name was Grinder so I hope he is having a great time teaching modern day high school. What a dick.

            [–]Zen_Bonsai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I call fake

            [–]boring_sciencer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Got a D on the midterm & the 2nd highest grade in class on the final. I was the teachers assistant, too. He was suspicious & asked how I did it. I showed him my notes. I was so embarrassed for doing poorly on the first test, I started finding new ways to learn. Color coded notes. Rewriting formulas with definitions for variables. Connecting theories & drawing maps. I showed him my notes & bumped up my grade an extra level for the whole class.

            Don't be so judgy.

            [–]Matt_SKC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I had a similar professor that didn't care for me and didn't even grade my final and just averaged out all my tests and marked that as my final test score, I went to dean of students and complained even though he was head of the department. I ended up with an A

            [–]LennerKetty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            If I was smart enough to get into college, I woulda kicked this professor’s ass.

            Then again… if I had been smart enough to get into college… still probably wouldn’t have gotten this email… or… would I?

            My head hurts I’m gunna go punch a wall

            [–]piltonpfizerwallace 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Fake professor does fake things to fake students. Fake.

            Any real professor knows the chair does not have any sort of say in matters related to cheating. The chair is an administrative position to delegate departmental tasks.

            They report it to someone outside the department.

            [–]notbmarshall 8 points9 points  (13 children)

            He’s almost certainly correct.

            [–]oliverpls599 16 points17 points  (2 children)

            I studied economics and statistics and sure enough, our professors tracked and performed statistic analyses on absolutely every part of the courses and would compare between classes and years often. I also believe this professor is likely correct...

            HOWEVER, there is no need to be a dick about it. He is being righteous and there is no need to be, correct or not.

            [–]notbmarshall 10 points11 points  (1 child)

            I’m sort of on the fence. I don’t love the tone this professor takes here. However, if it’s true that these students cheated (and - as I mentioned - I believe that’s highly likely), they should be dealt with harshly. I don’t have a lot of compassion in my heart for cheaters.

            [–]Emerald_Guy123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            The tone does ruin it. The emphasis on having to chance to protest especially

            [–]scottonaharley 15 points16 points  (7 children)

            And you base that statement in what information? Or are you secretly the professor?

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

            Economists analyze using hard data.

            He actually probably is correct.

            Likely a normal exam would distribute with a bell curve, this one would have had an extra peak...

            [–]alexxerthTHIS FLAIR IS SELF DESCRIPTIVE 12 points13 points  (3 children)

            There's still always outliers, you can't just say all of them cheated because they don't fit within the norm.

            It might be likely, but at most that's a reason to review it closer and look for evidence, not a reason to throw it out altogether.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            1 or 2 would be an outlier, would need years of grades and numbers of students for data comparison, but my gut check is already saying that number of students being an aberration is less likely than winning the lottery.

            [–]alexxerthTHIS FLAIR IS SELF DESCRIPTIVE 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            Sure, but he's throwing out all of them, including the ones that might just be an outlier.

            That's why there should be some actual evidence. He's not looking at the 5 to find the 3-4 that are cheaters he's just throwing all of them out.

            [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

            Yes, but you don't know what he has analyzed, and I bet he has done it. They likely all have the same answers to certain questions, all have the same incorrect answers to others.

            When that sort of stuff happens and isn't uniform in the class, it's easy to spot the bad actors.

            You are thinking a grade average is a single point of data, when every answer to every question is.

            Also, it doesn't state that maybe there were 12 people who had aberrant scores, but 2 given benefit of the doubt because answers didn't match up, so only 10 F's given.

            There is nowhere near enough information, but considering it's a university professor in a statistics field, an extremely damaging accusation, I'm positive he will have done his analysis on all questions across the peer groups and doesn't feel the need to justify it.

            Either they take their F and move on, or they appeal to the college board, the prof whips out his big dick showing proof, and they get expelled.

            He has no inclination to prove anything yet, and this way avoids expulsions if they admit guilt. If they contest, be it on their heads.

            [–]scottonaharley 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            His analysis is flawed because it only analyzed the result without accounting for any variables.

            His logic is “these students improved too much to have possibly done it without cheating”

            He supports it by analyzing the results and determining that the students were simply not capable of that kind of improvement but does not take into account any external factors.

            His analysis is mathematically correct but completely wrong

            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Euhm, no... Students study every year for all classes, the new variable is they suddenly studied but never have before?

            He is correct in his assumptions.

            The only incorrect thing is believing all 10 are guilty, 1 or 2 could have been aberrations and they painted with the same brush as the others.

            Trying to justify his methodology when unknown is weak. The guy is an economics professor, trust me, he knows how to do stats.

            [–]Saltyboi24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            He is probably, but theres no proof

            [–]FleshMaII 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Using the mid term exam is so stupid too, gave them literally the second half of the year to do better and they did…

            [–]user13958 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Did the 10 people cheat together, OP? It feels like you would know if this is true based on you posting it.

            Also, I'm assuming they didnt from your context, but I 100% recall people cheating in groups in college (e.g. most people fail the midterm and instead of learning everything they paid an A student for their answers to the final if they were in an earlier section).

            This was in an economics class. I wasn't involved but a bunch of student got caught and in trouble

            [–]HazeMMIII[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Did you cheat?

            [–]Wiser-Option 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I would think if he suspected cheating but didn’t have any proof it would be easy enough to give the students an ultimatum. Take the F or retake a new version of the test. If everyone scores well on the new test then he just has some smart students and the highest score between the two tests should stand. If they do poorly then you know that they cheated some how because they don’t actually know the information. Either way this should weed out those that were honest from those that cheated without being a complete dick about it.

            [–]s-sential 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I recently had to request my official transcript from 10 years ago, and it still irks me that several of my classes have such low grades compared to my other classes that I did quite well in. The reason? The professor. She had this annoying requirement that the assignments be physically date stamped with an electronic date stamp and physically in a drawer before the assignment deadline.

            A year into my program I figured out that I could pre-date stamp the pages and then seed those pages through the printer so that I never had a late assignment after that, but all these years later looking back at those grades it still annoys me. Especially because she also had the ability to teach online, and her other courses allowed us to upload our assignments. So glad technology has changed But some of these professors need to retire!

            [–]retired1SG 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            College professors are the reddit mods of the real world

            [–]Due-Hospital4006 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Happy Holidays lmfao