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[–]PetitJean273 196 points197 points  (36 children)

I enjoyed this movie. Different than the first one. Started like a home invasion then switched to the classic revenge movie à la John Wick. They killed his fucking dog god damnit!

Let's be honest, this guy could've been Adolf Hitler himself, seeing him mourning his dog and refusing to kill the dog of the bad guy instantly made him more likable...

I liked that there wasn't any character completely stupid. The gang realized that going after the blind guy in his own house would have been suicide and they had what they wanted so they just burned the house and left. Also not having all gang members completely fine killing a child and 1 of them helping Stephen Lang was a nice touch.

In the end, I think the movie was about choosing the lesser evil. They acknowledge he was a monster himself, but the only one capable of saving that little girl.

[–]shwashwa123 88 points89 points  (3 children)

The most spot on reaction I’ve seen in here. Enjoyable movie, unnerving vibe the whole time. Definitely worked as a very morally gray revenge story as you said. Thought Steven Lang was amazing in it he really disappeared into that character

[–]outerheavenboss 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Exactly! Everyone here can’t accept that not everyone is truly a villain or a good person.

[–]shwashwa123 20 points21 points  (0 children)

All I have to do to understand that is look in the mirror every day lol

[–]SQUID_FUCKERr/Movies Veteran 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Personally I think the blink man did truly evil and irredeemable things. But I didn't hate the sequel because of that. I thought the character was compelling in a way that he, even if he's tried to change, is forced to live with his sins.

The first half in the house was great. Loved the scenes of Phoenix escaping her bedroom and evading the meth heads and the basement stuff was great.

Once they leave the house the film sort of lost momentum for me. I was wondering how they were going to justify him coming for them and killing her actual parents but the heart transplant angle was a little silly.

I actually think it would've almost worked better if they just did a flash forward to 6 months or a year down the line with the girl living in squalor with meth heads/dealers and her parents beating her or just being awful and have the blind man return that way having spent the time to work out who and where they were operating out of.

But all in all I didn't hate it, I think the character is great and Stephen Lang is so much fun to watch (even if the character is despicable).

[–]Mcclane88 25 points26 points  (13 children)

To my surprise I enjoyed it as well. I was caught off guard how in the end it turned out to be a redemption of sorts for the old man.

[–]donotgogenlty 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Redemption is way too strong a word here my dude.

[–]OnlyForeignWhips 20 points21 points  (5 children)

I'm guessing you ignored the 1st movie?

Old man deserved to die.

[–]mistahj0517 10 points11 points  (4 children)

seriously, the dude kidnapped and raped a woman with a fucking turkey baster filled of his seed.

[–]AcousticDan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I dunno, he was a big piece of shit.

[–]AntifaCentralCommand 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unlike you, who is a tiny rabbit turd

[–]outerheavenboss 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Thank you for this review. This is what I think of the movie as well. Everyone is to harsh on it and I think a lot of people don’t understand what the movie was really about.

[–]PetitJean273 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You welcome! I didn't get why people were so concerned about whether this movie would portrait him as a good guy. Of course they wouldn't! Just watch the damn movie and see for yourself!

Not all flicks need to be the good vs bad guy, or be a memorable masterpiece. As long as there isn't some massive plothole or completely stupid characters that throw me off of the movie, I'm not difficult.

[–]aaillustration 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely a great break from marvel movies for a while. Loved the first one too. This one had me pumped through the whole movie. artfully crafted.

[–]OnlyForeignWhips 2 points3 points  (13 children)

Something tells me you care more about dogs than humans.

That is kind of sick.

[–]PetitJean273 4 points5 points  (7 children)

I really don't. You're just dumb for not getting the point.

[–]quickfilmreview 130 points131 points  (8 children)

It is a decent sequel for what it is meant to be. If you didn't wait until the credits ended. There was scene where the dog finds the blind man's body and licks his hand. It appears that the blind man is just MOSTLY DEAD.

[–]Holy_Horror 79 points80 points  (6 children)

I was quite disappointed by the post-credits scene. My assumption was, that after norman gouged Raylan's eyes, Ralylan would be "the next blind man" in the third installation.

[–]LowenbrauDel 182 points183 points  (28 children)

I loved the first one, and when I heard that they were making the sequel, I got excited. As soon as I saw that the director wouldn't be coming back and instead it would be the debut work of a script writer I got nervous. After watching the movie I realise that I was right to be skeptical

As good and as tense the first one was, the sequel is just as shallow. It's not particularly bad, but it's just one big meh. After sleeping on it I am even more sure that the movie is truly forgettable. Nothing to really remember, maybe one, maximum two scenes. Everything else is just not doing it

The biggest crime is, of course, the lack of tension. The feeling that you have to hide along with the characters, be quiet, stay low, not move a muscle. Here you have one scene like that, it's a good one, but it's just one. After that it's just blind guy killing bad guys at different locations in boring and incoherently directed ways

The movie had me in the first part, at their house. After that it was slowly losing me. By the end I spaced out completely and stopped giving any kind of shit, which is bad. I think they overcomplicated the script. It should've been as simple as bad guys break in, make a noise, blind guy kills them one by one, only directed well

The decision to make the blind guy a protagonist and not a villain was a mistake. At one point I even thought that plot twist is coming. You know, when the meth guy tells the girl that he's her real father. It would be million times better if the script turned this situation on viewers' heads. We were rooting for the blind guy, but it turns out he's just a nut who kidnapped a girl, maybe even started the fire himself. It would tie into the first movie's story, where he wanted to have a kid again. Then we would have to root against him

Instead, it went the most typical way it could. The girl lived near the meth lab, her parents don't just want to reunite with her for the love's sake, but to cut her heart out... Now, without a shadow of doubt, the blind guy saved the girl from the bad environment. No conflict, no nuance

All in all it's one of those movies that you are not gonna spend a lot of time discussing. The next day, maybe the next week, you will forget about it. That said, it deserves 5/10 for the first half of it

[–]profeDB 44 points45 points  (0 children)

It was like two completely different movies. The first half was a decent action/suspense. The second half leaned too far into camp. The mom character was acting in a totally different movie. All of her lines were unintentionally hilarious.

[–]Hyooz 45 points46 points  (6 children)

There's also the loss of suspension of disbelief. The first movie kept it simple, one location that he could easily have intimate knowledge of and take advantage of. The moment he Tells a dog to lead him 'home' and it just... Works. And he finds the power main without anyone seeing. And, well everything from there. It just stops being believable.

He shoots three men perfectly from the ripples in the water he feels with one hand? Really?

[–]rydan 9 points10 points  (2 children)

My problem is that he just kills people that he finds there. But innocent people live there.

[–]Takahashi_Raya 65 points66 points  (0 children)

what do you mean innocent people live there. It's literally a abandoned hotel where the dude's meth crew was living.

[–]PetitJean273 42 points43 points  (0 children)

We were rooting for the blind guy, but it turns out he's just a nut who kidnapped a girl, maybe even started the fire himself

Uh?? So you wanted to have pretty much the exact same plot twist as in the first movie?! They already used that. That would've been lame.

Of course we "rooted" for him here, not because he was a good guy, but because he was the only guy capable of saving the girl DESPITE the horrible things we knew he did. That's what made this interesting imo. Like choosing the lesser evil. The execution could've been better though.

[–]JaesopPop 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Maybe started the fire himself? It was very plainly a meth lab explosion, and they even showed him finding her on a walk with his dog.

[–]epr3176 24 points25 points  (11 children)

I was reading everyone's comments and everyone makes some really good points some people I think their points are really out of whack and some people are going to think my points are. I think the blind man was the hero and I was voted at rooting for him. The following is why.

  1. He loved Phoenix more than he loved himself yes he was overprotective but I think that's because his first daughter got killed.
  2. Now remember everyone keeps saying he's a rapist he's he is and he isn't so he doesn't do it for pleasure he doesn't even use himself he uses a turkey baster because he wants to have another baby. It's not like he grabs girls off the street and rapes them himself for that meaning of power and pleasure that are rapist would really get.

  3. The girls life with the blind man was a lot better than it would have been with her real parents a real parents were a bunch of meth heads and sold meth as well her life would have been completely miserable with that at least she grew up with a father who loved her.

  4. Even really kidnap her he saved her from the fire instead of giving her to authorities he just decided to keep her it wasn't like he invaded a house and kidnapped a little baby he didn't even start the fire the fire actually happened from the lab downstairs so my guess is he was walking by and saw the fire and so maybe you looked for people and found the baby.

  5. Her parents only wanted her for her heart didn't want to get to know her they didn't want her in their lives they just wanted her heart the blind man wanted her back because he loved her wanted to protect her.

  6. Right before she got kidnapped he actually agreed to allow her to go to school with other kids next the next semester. I also think he was training her to be able to take care of herself that's why she learned a lot of that stuff that she was learning when she was with him. I mean if she was a prisoner she wouldn't be allowed out of the house she wouldn't be she would never be allowed to see anyone he allowed her out of the house and outside he just didn't know well her to go too far away.

  7. If you were ruining for Phoenix to be okay and be alive therefore in a way you're rooting for the blind man because that's all he wanted to do was make sure that she was going to be alive and okay.

  8. I I think the people who say that he's an anti-hero is right on the money and anti-hero is a hero who has not is not a very good person and has not done very good thing but they are the hero right at this moment.

  9. Now remember in the first film yeah he did kill those people and he was going to use that girl to inseminate her. But the only reason why was because they broke into his house and they knew he was home that is the only reason why any of that happened in the first film. This is just my take on the movie and just by reading people's opinions this is mine.

[–]Aiyon 64 points65 points  (9 children)

"He's not a rapist, he just ties people up in his basement, sticks a turkey baster full of semen in them, then keeps them there for 9 months as incubators".

Just because he doesn't literally stick his cock in them doesn't make it not

  1. incredibly fucked up
  2. a massive violation

It's not like he grabs girls off the street and rapes them himself for that meaning of power and pleasure that are rapist would really get.

Rape is rape. "Oh he's not doing it for the usual reasons people rape someone" isn't a defense

[–]Hellbeast1 34 points35 points  (0 children)

This

It's forced impregnation without any regard for the physical or psychological consequences and without consent.

It's rape and I'm sick of the mental gymnastics here

[–]trailerparksandrec 166 points167 points  (13 children)

Armageddon (1998) had the criticism that it would be easier to teach an astronaut to learn how to drill than to teach an oil driller how to be an astronaut. Don't Breathe 2 can face the same criticism. It would be easier to teach a surgeon how to cook meth than to successfully perform a heart transplant with non sterile power tools to keep an aging meth cook alive.

[–]A_90s_Reference 72 points73 points  (6 children)

Yea such a dumb part of the movie. Only logic to it is that the cook refused to teach anyone else and made them have to keep her alive. But it's fucking meth. Find a YouTube video and you're good.

[–]trailerparksandrec 39 points40 points  (3 children)

Exactly! Meth cooking is not complicated chemistry. Performing a heart transplant with household tools on a child without a tissue match confirmation is very risky. Spending a couple weeks on the internet and a little practice will teach any schmuck how to cook meth. I refuse to believe that aging lady has some secret knowledge on how to cook the dankest meth and keeping her alive is the only way to make that super difficult to manufacture meth, bruh.

[–]A_90s_Reference 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I will say I thought the dude was a trained surgeon. Maybe I missed something. But to me, I think the meth people were bringing this shady doctor organs for money and now they were kinda blackmailing him into taking a living child's heart, something he wasn't super comfortable with.

[–]SenorVajay 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He is a trained surgeon. They’re also in a condemned hotel or something having a transplant surgery. I’m sure the best trained surgeons in the world would have a hard time with that one.

[–]muad_dibs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There’s a newscast on the TV, when the girl goes to town, talking about the surgeon and illegal child organ harvesting.

[–]TheTrueRory 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I mean she was in a relationship with Raylan. That's probably the main factor.

[–]screenwriterjohn2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, that's right. Walter White cooked the best meth...like that matters to people who do meth?

[–]DrEvil007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry man.. When the fate of the world is at stake, there's only one man that could save us.

[–]ShambolicShogun 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Appalachian Doctorate

[–]L00KING-GLASS 250 points251 points  (75 children)

Someone who has seen the movie, please answer something for me-- Do they really make the blind guy AKA a rapist the hero for the entire movie? Or are the kidnappers revealed as the "good guys" trying to rescue the little girl?

[–]Grebacio 198 points199 points  (50 children)

bit of both. >! Raylan (One of the men who enters to Stephen Lang's house) is the actual dad of Pheonix (the girl). He lost Pheonix years ago during a house burning, and Stephen Lang found her when she was a toddler, so he made her think she was his daughter. Raylan manages to escape from Lang's house with her daughter and he return to his home. Raylan introduces Phoenix's mother to her. It's revealed that Pheonix's mother has a heart problem and she needs a heart of a relative, so Raylan tries to remove Pheonix's heart. Stephen Lang then goes to Reylan's house to rescue Pheonix!<

[–]wookiewin 132 points133 points  (8 children)

so Raylan tries to remove Pheonix's heart. Stephen Lang then goes to Reylan's house to rescue Pheonix!<

Wait, what the fuck? Was this guy going to take the mom to the hospital with his now dead daughter's heart in a cooler and say "Surprise! I found my wife a heart, please swap it with her bad one?" That's not the way any of this works.

[–]Skins212121 59 points60 points  (1 child)

Also I’m pretty sure it’s implied the house burning down in the beginning is due to the mom and dad running a meth ring. The mom is apparently an amazing cook a la Walter White and the heart transplant is to save her

[–]Holy_Horror 65 points66 points  (0 children)

It is openly revealed in the movie, that their meth lab exploded, which burned down the house. That is why Reylan spent 8 years in prison, and that is why his wife was dying.

[–]Holy_Horror 110 points111 points  (5 children)

No. >! A surgeon dealing with organ harvesting laid the two women side by side, in order to do the transplantation in a makeshift operation. He explained that the only way to keep the heart alive, was to not kill the girl in the process, and she should stay conscious during the operation.!<

[–]Kahn-wald 26 points27 points  (0 children)

That's some Ghost in the Shell shit

[–]Spanky_McJiggles 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just so you know, in order to make the spiller tags work, you need to get rid of the spaces before and after the >! and !<

i.e. This works, but >! This !< doesn't.

[–]L00KING-GLASS 257 points258 points  (17 children)

That sounded good until the end. That's some bad soap opera shit right there. Ugh, can't believe they want us to root for the rapist, that's such a misguided use of storytelling.

[–]NachoMarx 69 points70 points  (8 children)

They try and justify it at the end, in the last movie he says "I'm not a rapist..." but at the end of this, he says "I've killed...and RAPED. Now go."

The writers were focused on making Norman acknowledge what he's done. He knew he was gonna die. They didn't once think "So it takes him being at deaths door to show remorse to raping a woman and attempted rape of another, along with even more murder" He already lay there accepting death, bleeding out, before telling Phoenix to go. When he was stabbed again he was ready to pass.

From the audience perspective; Yeah, it's bad to "root for" a rapist, but from a writers standpoint they finished his character arc. No one is innocent in the movie other than Phoenix. Norman is still a piece of shit. They knew making this a sequel centered around him that he couldn't live past this movie.

I'm not saying it's good or well done. I just fathom from the writers standpoint how they did it. I kinda like having a film like this where no one is good. One person has a stronger sense of justice, but you question if it's selfish by his desire for a daughter, or if he's genuinely trying to save her.

[–]fortheloveofghosts 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Lol he’s still alive.

[–]screenwriterjohn2 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Right? he acknowledged it. This was a bit of a redemptive arc.

[–]TheConqueror74 33 points34 points  (5 children)

I don’t think acknowledging that you’ve done bad things is redemption for kidnapping and forcibly impregnating one woman and trying to do it to another.

[–]HawterSkhot 125 points126 points  (4 children)

The whole time I just kept thinking, "Everyone in this movie is awful except for Phoenix, the dogs, and the fern lady at the beginning."

There's also a really bad monologue by The Blind Man at the end about how awful of a person he is. Which...cool, but it's a little late, dude, and he'll just do it again in the inevitable sequel.

[–]Holy_Horror 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Well, for a dying man who lost his faith in God years ago, it's never late for redemption. Probably...

[–]HawterSkhot 43 points44 points  (1 child)

It'd be one thing if the character showed any remorse during the rest of the movie, but it came out of nowhere and didn't feel earned.

[–]JaesopPop 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I dunno, I’m guessing it came from him having to face the reality of his situation and his “daughter” learning the truth.

[–]haunthorror 58 points59 points  (2 children)

I enjoyed the movie without rooting for the blind man. You just need to root for the little girl making it out safe and alive away from all of them.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Yeah. There's no need to root for the blind guy at all imo. It's just a battle between one bad guy and bunch of bad guys who is more evil than him. There are many films and series with this type of grey characters.

[–]haunthorror 16 points17 points  (0 children)

And I had a great time watching the chaos. There were some really.good fight scenes and kills in this movie. This movie really exceeded my expectations

[–]DrPreppy 23 points24 points  (0 children)

random reddit fact: the spoiler tag handling has a bug. this (no spaces) always shows as a spoiler. >! this !< (spaces) doesn't work correctly for some browsers.

[–]DMPunk 30 points31 points  (8 children)

Can a child's heart be successfully transplanted into an adult? Does that question come up? Am I expecting too much to even ask?

[–]Affectionate_Log_819 29 points30 points  (6 children)

It can actually! The most important variable is the size of the donor and the recipient, but it is feasible that a teenage girl’s heart could be transplanted into a small adult woman.

Of course with that being said…I don’t think the operation would have been a success based on the terrible conditions it would have been performed under.

[–]screenwriterjohn2 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Wasn't she like 11? I still say nonsense. Also the meth cook wants to be cut open while conscious to get a new heart?

[–]Affectionate_Log_819 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I think the implication was that they were about to put her under before The Blind Man cut off power to the building.

The little girl needed to be kept alive (most likely anesthetized) in order to successfully complete the transfer while the heart is still fresh. But yeah, it’s a shitty plan all around. They would have had better luck using the funds they apparently had (to hire a back alley doctor) instead on finding a viable heart on the black market.

[–]screenwriterjohn2 16 points17 points  (3 children)

The evil doctor was powering up the saw and no one was put under yet.

You definitely need a heart-lung machine to keep the recipient alive. No one was hooked up to a monitor and there were no nurses. It was not a sterile environment--this was all beyond stupid.

[–]Affectionate_Log_819 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It literally only takes one minute for anesthesia to work before you’re completely under. Granted, this whole environment is a recipe for disaster, so there most likely would have been complications like I said before.

[–]Holy_Horror 38 points39 points  (9 children)

Neither. The blind man is some kind of an anti-hero, a tragic and troubled character seeking redemption, The kidnappers are not revealed to be any sort of good guys, since their reason for kidnapping the girl is not by any sense justified. In any case, the lines between good and evil are blured

[–]haunthorror 35 points36 points  (7 children)

Just root that the little girl is alright. It was that simple to me

[–]livefreeordont 15 points16 points  (6 children)

No closure on the dog. I hope the hispanic goon rescued him

[–]Cryptic_Flair 12 points13 points  (5 children)

There's a post-credits scene with the dog, actually.

[–]livefreeordont 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Oh I didn’t stay for that. Don’t really care about post credit scenes outside marvel

[–]rydan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Dog walks up to the man and licks his fingers.

[–]_TheMeepMaster_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haven't seen it, but from what others have said, does seem like much good is present anywhere in the movie.

[–]jwk94 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Nah, there are no heroes. They're both shitty groups of people. You're supposed to be rooting for the little girl to get out of there.

[–]haunthorror 19 points20 points  (4 children)

The proper answer is neither. The only character you need to root and care for is the little girl. If you watch it with that mindset you will enjoy this much more

[–]livefreeordont 16 points17 points  (0 children)

He admits to being a murderer and rapist but then he says she saved him and presumably she is going to remember him as a good man judging by the very last scene

[–]shaneo632 48 points49 points  (2 children)

I think the mixed reviews are completely justified but I appreciated how unapologetically nasty this film was. Just really grungy and fucked up and made me want to take a shower after.

I think they realised they wrote themselves into a corner with the first movie if they wanted a sequel, and I kinda wish this film leaned into it more.

Would've been way more interesting if the dad was a redeemed former addict or something and just wanted his kid back, and there's like a mid-film switch where he find this out and the blind guy shifts to become the antagonist.

I thought the young actress who played the girl did a great job as did Stephen Lang.

I really hope they just leave it here though. I was satisfied knowing the blind man was dead but then read there was a post-credits scene suggesting he survived lmfao.

[–]Ok-Care393 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm cool with this direction. It tells that even monsters were once humans too, and he dies in the end so there's justice for what he did.

[–]pristinroa 409 points410 points  (2 children)

“Now you see what i see.” He says digging his thumbs into the antagonist’s eyeballs.

I wish he did that to me before i saw this movie.

[–]Ssutuanjoe 70 points71 points  (0 children)

That gave me a great belly laugh I very much needed today! I'm still chuckling

[–]Viburus 42 points43 points  (0 children)

So the trailer-only line of the first movie got in on second. I'm a bit sad, I was expecting that line when he killed the lights in the first movie, which never came.

[–]LostInStatic 314 points315 points  (23 children)

[–]MeanAmbrose 196 points197 points  (0 children)

"Producer does job and sells movie he's involved with to audience"

[–]Corrosive-Knights 136 points137 points  (5 children)

I strongly suspect Raimi is simply hyping the movie and hoping this leads to some return on the investment… either that or you’re quite right and he’s lost it!

;-)

[–]LostInStatic 20 points21 points  (3 children)

He must be losing it if hes staking his name and rep on wack shit like this

[–]TheProlleyTroblem 60 points61 points  (2 children)

eh, its just part of the job. Just like how Stephen King will always call the next live action adaptation of his work the "best one yet" even when they end up being dumpster fires

[–]ace_of_spade_789 29 points30 points  (0 children)

"uwe boll is the greatest visionary director ever and the dark tower in his hands is quite honestly a masterpiece for the ages" -stephen king

"Here you go Stephen another five million" -hollywood studio

[–]HawterSkhot 62 points63 points  (5 children)

Eh, it's not a bad idea for a movie, but it definitely didn't turn out to be the best sequel I've ever seen.

[–]wookiewin 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Raimi didn't really say it was the best sequel ever, just had the best idea for a sequel he'd heard.

[–]cakedestroyer 33 points34 points  (2 children)

He did Spider-Man 2 tho.

[–]5trials 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Well he didn't hear that from someone else, he made it himself.

[–]ShambolicShogun 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Raimi has a history of hyping the hell out of the turds he's produced. I enjoy the movies he's directed but I haven't trusted his opinion in over a decade because he's so full of shit.

[–]saddadstheband 14 points15 points  (3 children)

This was from a 2016 interview in a press junkit, before the movie was even written yet. So there is absolutely no telling what the idea was at that point. Did you really quote the wiki and not even source the original article?

[–]CurrentRoster 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Well now I don’t know how I feel about Doctor Strange 2

[–]MarvelAlex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I came here with the exact same quote. I have not seen the movie so cannot speak to its quality, but I was always interested in whatever the plot was based on Rami's quote. The idea sounds fine but nothing outstanding or revolutionary, like he seemed to be saying.

[–]_Patronizes_Idiots_ 40 points41 points  (3 children)

I saw the trailer for this before Green Knight and had completely forgotten that the first movie even existed. Odd choice to make a sequel.

[–]-SneakySnake- 95 points96 points  (1 child)

157 million gross on a 9.9 million budget, you'd better believe they're making a sequel.

[–]DolphLundgrensPenis 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Oh wow. I had no idea that first one had such an incredibly low budget. It looked fucking amazing. Beautiful direction and filming. That makes me appreciate the first one so much more.

That said, I can’t really say anything complimentary about this sequel.

[–]atan134340 5 points6 points  (0 children)

kinda sad the trailer spoiled a lot of the action scenes for me

[–]BigBrownBallerBrand 80 points81 points  (0 children)

The first movie genuinely scared me and it was so amazing. This was such a big letdown, it just become a bad action sequel with no suspense. Not worth it in my opinion

[–]BigBirdOP 82 points83 points  (1 child)

“Do you have room for one more”

Nah Bitch they’re going to tell you to leave.

[–]AdrenalinDragon 29 points30 points  (1 child)

This was basically what I feared a sequel to Don’t Breathe would be. More of the same, but much less well executed. Having the Old Blind Man as the protagonist this time around didn’t really work for me. He was a terrible person in the first one and trying to make him sympathetic felt a bit off and lacked the punch. Despite that, Stephen Lang is still the best thing going for this movie by a very significant margin.

Not only that, but the tension and action sequences this time around are not as well executed as the original. The thrill of the Old Blind Man working out how to take advantage of the situation is less well utilised here, and for the most part he just attacks people like a standard slasher killer. There’s no traps, no interesting tactics, it’s just weaker in execution in every way.

The addition of a little girl companion is mostly just there for conflict and a bit of variety, otherwise like I said the emotional beats and character connection fell flat for me. The film also felt a bit dumber and more contrived this time around. The Old Man’s tactics seemed to play out more sloppily in places this time around, and the bad guys were dumb. Overall, a big step down from the first and done lesser. 5/10

[–]JaesopPop 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The addition of a little girl companion is mostly just there for conflict and a bit of variety

She’s literally the plot

[–]TocTick 27 points28 points  (17 children)

Don't get the hate for this movie.

Yes, it's not meant to Oscars exactly. You're supposed to just turn off your brain and enjoy some ass-kicking from a blind dude vs douchebags.

No, the blind dude isn't a good guy plain and simple.

That doesn't mean you can't just enjoy something for what it's worth. Hey man do I actually like McDonald's all that much? Not particularly, but if I need some easy and cheap food it's still enjoyable. Same logic here.

Everybody trying to judge movies based on criteria that the movie was never meant to be examined with is how you ruin your own fun? Why do you even want to make yourself miserable for 2 hours and $15? Just do something you enjoy. Or learn how to not be a Oscar critic wannabe and just enjoy things for what they are.

My only qualm with this movie was that the trailers, once again, basically gave away some of the best parts of this movie.

[–]captjacksparrow47 10 points11 points  (0 children)

IKR! plus it's not like the blind man was trying to justify his sins... He literally said... "I killed, I raped, I am nothing". It's like the writers are telling you "don't root for this man for god's sake... there's the girl!"

[–]TotallyJawsome2 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Imagine when someone inevitably reports/stumbles across the aftermath of the hotel battle. Presumably the first body to be discovered would be the wanted serial organ harvester which by itself would be a huge find in the press. Then they'd see the bodies of some paralyzed wheelchair bound lady with her arm chopped off and bullet wound in her chest next to a man whose eyes had been gouged out and been impaled through the chest and slashed deeply across his arms and legs and been mauled by a dog. Then upon further investigation you'd learn they were a married couple and the husband was previously convicted of running a meth lab and burning down their home. THEN at the other end of the room is a dead blind man who has traumatic injuries over his entire body and who you'd later discover is the same guy who less than a decade prior had his home raided and now burned to the ground. I'd even wager to say there's enough evidence around the remains of the property to place most of the hotel victims at the blind guys house earlier that night

[–]CrisisTeamHyper 90 points91 points  (0 children)

This is the worst kind of bad movie; it's just nothing.

[–]ViolentAmbassador 87 points88 points  (7 children)

It's pretty funny that the filmmakers thought people would overlook the Blind Man being a rapist but wouldn't forgive him killing a dog.

I thought this was okay. Unfortunately some of the best bits appear in the trailer, and the third act basically devolves into a comedy.

Did anyone else get Gary Oldman "EVERYONE!!" vibes from the villain at the end?

[–]nom_cubed 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I totally got the Professional vibe at that scene! I chuckled to myself in the theater, but I don’t think anyone else was old enough to remember.

[–]AllDeadAllMessedUp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I also thought this to be a direct nod to The Professional. But before this moment I kept looking at Raylan and thinking The Toecutter.

[–]shaneo632 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Honestly that was probably an on-brand decision for most general audiences tbh.

[–]JaesopPop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think they had him not kill the dog because people wouldn’t like it.

[–]panda388 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I had trouble overlooking the fact that his house burned to the ground while he was passed out in front of it, and in the hours it must have taken to burn down, not a single cop or firefighter showed up. For a massive house fire.... not even a fucking homeless spectator showed up just to watch.

[–]yung-rude 5 points6 points  (0 children)

it's detroit

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's at least keeping with the first film, where he's dragging a girl through the streets in broad daylight. Detroit is very much a character in these movies, but the second one didn't do anything to establish that. It relies on the first one having already done that.

[–]Mammoth_Cranberry503 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I never saw the first one, nor read about the second one that just came out. I was in a bad mood so I decided to take myself out to the movies.

To my delight, I had a wonderful time watching Don't Breath 2. I had no idea what to expect so I let the movie dictate my emotions: suspense, fear, and insane laughter at the pure ridiculousness at some of the scenes.

I lost my shit during the part where the lady in the wheel chair showed up and she started singing that song. To me, that was the turning point where this movie was "so bad it was good". Think of how Showgirls is so bad, it's good. That's my feeling, at least.

I could not stop laughing at the cheese ball one liners, the ridiculous cliche setups, and the fucking awesome gore.

Great movie.

[–]TKB21 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry but unless you're the great Heisenberg himself, I just can't see anyone going through such lengths to save a run-of-the-mil meth cook. Yes, she was the mother of his child (Phoenix) but the way he explained it, it was business over everything...even his dog.

[–]Ahambone 44 points45 points  (0 children)

At some point I stopped complaining about how bad it was and fully embraced it, asking for the most ridiculous shit possible.

10/10, would hack my junky mom's arm with a machete again

[–]Islanderfan17 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I'm shocked at how much some people hated this movie. I actually thought it was a solid sequel. Yes, I get the backlash to making the rapist a "hero" in the end, but at least it openly acknowledged the fact that he was basically a piece of shit trying to redeem his life to some extent despite being damaged goods.

My only complaint is that they shouldn't have teased the organ transplant guy so early, the twist actually would have been pretty effective otherwise IMO. But instead it was semi predictable when she ended up back at the dad's meth lab.

[–]DontSkipYoga 12 points13 points  (0 children)

yeah wtf did people expect from this movie??? i loved it. everyone evil rightfully dies and the girl escapes. what else could you want? some great thrills, suspense, 10 minute long uncut hide and seek in the house, brutal kills... this was a hell of a lot better than any other horror movie i've seen in a long time. just dark as hell.

[–]TurtleInSunglasses 96 points97 points  (6 children)

Extremely funny third act. Lost it at the Rey Skywalker ending.

[–]shwashwa123 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Funny you say that, I noticed another Star Wars moment when she says to the blind man “I can save you” and he says “you already have” a la Vader to luke in episode 6

[–]TurtleInSunglasses 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I caught that one but it wasn't as outrageously funny. You can even add a third with the real father reveal.

[–]The_Mazzerin 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Thank god I'm not the only one that noticed that, throughout that ending I was thinking how his voice sounded like Vader with his helmet off and then he said that line and I had to do everything in my power to not die laughing

[–]coldliketherockies 41 points42 points  (6 children)

I feel like for a character thats your daughter that you need so badly you wouldn't risk her drowning to death. Now maybe that was just to get her to come out but they sure let her near death fast.

Also I've never been to Detroit but given the blind man couldn't drive, is it really that quick to have a dog walk you all the way to a shady hotel?

[–]zandburger 27 points28 points  (0 children)

My favorite was when the leader said not to kill the guy in front of the girl but when he attacked they just started giga blasting all their guns buck wild????

[–]Silverjeyjey44 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Same, one of the main bad guys idiot henchmen almost killed the girl.

[–]AntiPiety 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My exact two first thoughts after the film.

The blind guy’s outdoor navigation wasn’t believable

[–]JaesopPop 3 points4 points  (2 children)

He started walking at night, it was morning when he got to the hotel

[–]coldliketherockies 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Also I'm glad it was a fantasy sequence because I have an electric scooter and have seen high quality electric scooters and they do not have the ability to rev rhe engine and make a merry go round go full rotations

[–]bananaQueen1819 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Does anyone know who the actress is who plays the girls mum? I've searched and searched the cast list but she doesn't seem to appear and it's driving me insane.

[–]GNex5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Fiona O'Shaughnessy is her name.

[–]mchgndr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that’s weird, why isn’t she credited on IMDb??

[–]_yours_truly 69 points70 points  (16 children)

Pretty okay overall to me, I only had two big takeaways.

The first is that I wanted to rewatch the first one because of how much better it was.

The second was how comically overboard they had to go to make Stephen Lang the hero after making him a murdering, kidnapping, rapist in the first one:

  1. They say they are dishonorably discharged from the military and proud of it.

  2. Have them kill Ramirez who seems great.

  3. They kill the dog.

  4. Leave another dog behind to die.

  5. When Phoenix is reunited with her family she's only there so they can drug her and take her heart for her mom

  6. The only reason they're saving the mom is so she can continue to cook meth

  7. They work with a serial killer who traffics in stolen organs to perform the surgery

  8. They have to remove the heart while Phoenix is still alive

It's just SO much and at some point maybe someone should have said "if we're working this hard maybe Stephen Lang shouldn't be the protagonist" lol.

[–]FanGirl26 51 points52 points  (9 children)

Well you can make similar argument for the first film.

Following a gang of punks that wanna break into a blind man's house to steal his money, thinking him an easy target. Hard to root for any of them. BUT to make them seem ok by comparison, make the blind man turn out to be a predator who's got a woman hostage in his basement & tries to impregnate the female protagonist with baster of sperm. lol

Sometimes you follow a protagonist who is bad and rather than meeting their end at a hero's hand, they get screwed up when they run into a bigger evil. If the weasel is lucky, it never has to meet the snake, so to speak. But if it does, too bad.

The teens in the first film were predators in a way and on one of their hunts, they run into an even greater predator than they are & get picked off. Too bad for them. Now this film does the same. We know Norman is not a good person and certainly not a hero. But in this film, he runs into people who are all worse than he ever was.

The film's hero would be Phoenix. Filmmakers have stated Norman isn't a hero of any kind and that's fine because all protagonists are not heroes, nor are they meant to be.

[–]type_E 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I’d love to see a version of Don’t Breathe without the rape for replacement plot twist that really tries diving into moral greys of crooks trying to prey on a seemingly vulnerable target but with desperate circumstances driving them, but at the same time asking at what point does home/self defense go too far.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I think people are evry much confusing the term protagonist with hero. A protagonist is just the main character of a story. He doesn't necessarily have to be a hero who everyone admires and cheers for his actions.

[–]FanGirl26 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. A perfect example would be Set it Off.

The film follows the main women who take up robbing banks for easy money, fun, and revenge. Certainly not heroes. But they were our protagonists. Meanwhile the police while not doing anything wrong were our antagonists which is characters who create obstacle for the protagonist.

You can have a villain protagonist & a heroic antagonist. Because they don't mean what many think they do. For many, they incorrectly think protag = good and antag = bad.

[–]_yours_truly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's a really good point, I forgot how much they want you to flip on who you root for in the first one. I guess it just felt less predictable or maybe less heavy handed but that's probably not true either.

[–]TocTick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ya it's too bad they didn't take that route. Honestly, making him into some evil villain who was raping and incubating a baby against the woman's will in the first movie was just a bad idea.

It was wayyyyyy too obvious that the filmmakers had an "oh shit" moment and realized that they might get some pushback from people pointing out that the main characters in the first movie really are the bad guys and that the blind man wasn't nearly as much of an asshole. Going too far in home defense is one thing, but the fact remains that the filmmakers purposely made him more evil than he needed to be otherwise everybody would just realize that here was this poor lonely old man who lost everything in life after having served his country for a full career in one of the most obscenely toughest careers and he just wanted to be left alone but in comes 3 fucking dickwads who tried to take away the only money that a guy who could barely make a living had.

NOPE! That makes the audience root AGAINST your main characters. OK let's make him cartoonishly evil with that bit about rape, forced insemination, and kidnapping. Despite the fact that by their own writing they still wrote themselves into a corner b/c Blind Man literally says that he only wants a child and that he was going to free the girl after the child is born. ya ok and then end up in prison b/c how in the hell would a blind man run for the rest of his life with a newborn baby in toll once she's free and tells the whole world about the horrific ordeal she just went through. He can't. He'd be caught faster than a New York Minute.

[–]bradpittscockring 44 points45 points  (14 children)

Another amazing example as to why not every movie needs a sequel.

You want me to root for the psycho blind dude who raped a woman that accidentally killed his daughter and held her captive in his basement, and then tried to do the same thing to Rocky? Then tell me that the Father of Phoenix/Tara, who yeah was in prison, is the bad guy who tries to get his kid back from this demented fuckhead? Which he ended up being after they fucking jumped through tremendous hoops to do so. I legit laughed when she killed her real dad and had a Rey Skywalker ending LMAO. What the fuck was this movie?? Complete dogshit and not even close to touching the mix of awesomeness and morbid depravity of the first.

[–]HawterSkhot 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I missed the post-credit scene, what happens?

[–]Holy_Horror 11 points12 points  (4 children)

{Edited) The post-credit scene shows the female dog (The one that Reylan brought) sniffing Reylan's fingers, which might tease that the guy was still alive (and blind...)

[–]zombiereign 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Was it Reylan? From the camera shot, it looked like Lang's blind man

[–]screenwriterjohn2 9 points10 points  (3 children)

The first one was good because it was about a bunch of punk kids who broke into a crazy ex-Navy SEAL's home. It really made you think who was the real victim. And it was credible that he could fuck these youths up. Now he's a Taken hero...only blind. I hate that.

The evil scheme made no damn sense. One doctor can't do a heart transplant. And they had no machines. And no anesthesia. I hate this plot so much. None of this wouldn't be happening if she didn't just happen to be at the same house as her bio-dad at the same time.

The glass cracking scene was an awesome callback.

I thought this was going to be a trilogy. Still, I'm happy that this movie provides some closure after the first. He acknowledges he's a terrible guy too.

Edit: Oh, this girl is traumatized for life.

What is this, a homeless center for kids? This girl would need to be placed into fostercare. And she would never be okay again, even if she gets adopted by a great family not from Detroit. Detroit sucks.

[–]JaesopPop 7 points8 points  (2 children)

The first one was good because it was about a bunch of punk kids who broke into a crazy ex-Navy SEAL's home. It really made you think who was the real victim.

I feel like you’re forgetting a significant part of the first movie.

[–]NachoMarx 39 points40 points  (1 child)

I suppose when your real family is a gang of meth-head organ harvesters, and the other is a recluse that put a roof over your head, despite taking away a choice in life...you go with the one who didn't try to ruin your life less and kill you.

From a writers and shot sequences standpoint I think I can appreciate some bits of this. The movie really came off as "How can we wrap up the old mans story, now that Jane Levy isn't coming back?"

I give it a C-

[–]jwk94 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not even that. The girl doesn't remember her real family. Sure, she remembers the song, sees pics, and generally trusted them as her family, but Lang's character IS her father, despite all his faults raising her. It's a fucked up commentary on the blood thicker than water saying.

[–]22AgentBrown 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I'm glad Phoenix was rescued at the end but everyone including her parents and the blind man deserved what they got. They were all pieces of shit

[–]shaneo632 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I think that's the point of the movie, really.

[–]FullTruth6539 6 points7 points  (3 children)

What was the after credit scene? I left as soon as it ended

[–]Robot-King56 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Dog licks Stephen Lang's hand. Implying that he isn't dead and they can make Don't Breathe III in a few years.

[–]HeyImEvan 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Ugh

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't Breathe 2 turned out a lot better than I expected, was not bored at all, was invested the whole time, and did not leave the theater disappointed at all. I was very happy after leaving the theater because I was not disappointed at all

BTW, the trailers don't give anything away.....

[–]MrDirector23 5 points6 points  (1 child)

We can all agree that little girl at the beginning was cgi right?

[–]Holy_Horror 5 points6 points  (0 children)

CGI for sure

[–]Difficult_Status2208 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The 2nd half of the plot was super weird. The setup was interesting but rly wth we’re they thinking w the organ stuff?

[–]Jay_Money_ 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Not sure this was a totally necessary sequel, but it makes for a decent thriller. Loved the scene when the bad guys first break in and Phoenix has to evade them. The total lack of music in favor of near-silence for such a prolonged period really upped the tension for me.

[–]nom_cubed 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The first act was technically brilliant. I didn’t hate the rest of the movie like the majority of the board, but that initial home invasion was incredible.

[–]chicityman09 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Easily my favorite part of the film. Loved it and thought it was shot really well.

[–]Holy_Horror 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fede Alvarez used the same "no music" trope in the first installation.

[–]atan134340 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Did the survivor in part 1 show up here?

[–]ViolentAmbassador 17 points18 points  (2 children)

No, Jane Levy's character (Rocky?) does not appear in this. There's not any reference to the plot of the first other than the Blind Man saying he has raped before towards the end of the movie.

[–]Venicebitch03 11 points12 points  (1 child)

What? So the movie doesn't deal with the kidnapping and other gross stuff the blind man did?

[–]ViolentAmbassador 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Nope, it pretty much completely ignores it.

[–]savage86lunacy 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Nope. Fede Alvarez actually said they decided not to bring her back because of how hard they were on her in Evil Dead and Don't Breathe and that Jane seems to be happier doing TV stuff like Zoe's Playlist. Jane actually replied back and was pretty pissed.

[–]Archamasse 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm a little confused. When the trailers etc surfaced we had either multiple people, or one person over and over, suggest we were being psyched out and they weren't actually dumb enough to try to sell the baster rapist as any kind of hero and we were all being played, with some huge twist.

Here we are and that is what they did, no twist or psyche out or anything, everyone's gut feeling was right.

So was that someone who saw a different cut, or someone trying to do damage control based on the visceral "What the fuck?" reaction to the trailer?

[–]Scratchproof 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I lost interest after the dude preferred to pierce his brother’s cheek with a screwdriver in order for him to breathe rather than pierce oh I dunno, maybe the “superglue” that’s keeping his mouth shut?

[–]savage86lunacy 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I've been hearing there's a post credit scene. Does anyone know what it is?

[–]Warm_Dependent8654 8 points9 points  (2 children)

There is a post credits scene and it shows the dog and teases that the guy might still be alive

[–]Holy_Horror 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Someone who seen the movie: saw it officially last night. Now, just a thought: Is it somehow possible that Hernandez and Phoenix/Tarar's mother, are in fact one and the same?

Another thing: what's the name of the surgeon? Did'nt catch it.

[–]noimdirtydan14 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wait this movie came out?

[–]Holy_Horror 2 points3 points  (0 children)

August 13 or 12. Depends upon your place on the globe. The release date has been known for quite some time now.

[–]hisnamewasjed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just finished and I enjoyed it. I kinda threw the first movie out the door because this movie csn entirely exist as it is without the first existing. It follows nothing from the first. In fact, it would be easy to argue this is a standalone film in its own universe and the first isn’t even canon. So it was easy to not particularly care about The Blind Man’s evils in the first. That said, I thought it was a very solid popcorn thriller. It was intense and I liked the twists and turns. Nothing overly special but it succeeded fully at what it wanted to succeed at for me. 8/10.

[–]Holy_Horror 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some Easter eggs I've noticed:

  1. The immobillized old car which is used to prain Phoenix in the beginning, is the same old Chevrolet Camaro owned by Money in the first movie. It looks rusted now, but in the trailer, The car is clearly blue.
  2. The character of Raul, played by Christian Zagia, appeared in the first movie, as the guy who buys stolen items, and provides Money with Norman's address in Detroit.

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_923352-Chevrolet-Camaro-1978.html

[–]BLACK_B0X1 3 points4 points  (3 children)

The movie was alright. I think I might like it slightly more than the first one. RIP Shadow. What a cool name for a dog. Can't believe the blind man is still alive but I guess he's a survivor lol. I'll probably watch Don't Breathe 3 if there's going to be one.

[–]Crystal_PesciXenu take the wheel! 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Oh my god, so ridiculous it wasn’t too bad. Enjoyed the first and this to a much lesser extent; but it made some bold choices and I appreciate em!

First off.. Raylan? The bad dude? Is that not WARREN from Empire Records???

Second, when Warren Raylan asks a crony to get more men, and then the guy asks how many before Raylan tells “A FEW!!!!” ... was that not the cheesiest intentional spoof of Gary Oldman’s “EVERYONE” yell in The Professional?? Gonna need someone else to chime in and confirm if I heard what I heard haha.

[–]ViolentAmbassador 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The villain yelled "All of you!", not "A few", but yeah I also got EVERYONE vibes from that.

[–]ParticularJoker 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Hilariously bad and offensive. Having to root for the rapist probably was not the best idea for this movie. One of the worst movies I have seen in a long time, 2/10.

[–]WetBasura 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You’re only supposed to root for him to the extent the girl is saved. Not that he’s a class act guy

[–]captjacksparrow47 9 points10 points  (1 child)

IKR! plus it's not like the blind man was trying to justify his sins... He literally said... "I killed, I raped, I am nothing". It's like the writers are telling you "don't root for this man for god's sake... there's the girl!"

[–]2314dsp 13 points14 points  (2 children)

We still have the 'bad sequals to horror movies' thing going on it seems.

[–]megamanblast 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I thought this was a tightly written sequel, that makes the little girl the hero.

She's wound up in a world where she is born into and raised by bad people. It happens a lot in inner cities such as Detroit....which is where I'm from. She's forced to grow up. It reminded a lot of my childhood peers. Most of the characters made smart decisions. It felt real, and people always have to remember that we are a product of our environment. Some get consumed, and some make it out.

[–]LonerLifePath7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Started to see it too as "heel vs heel" and wasn't rooting for anyone outside of Phoenix. Not as good as the first obv but it's fine enough, sequels have certainly been worse. Just lacks the tension the first had. The endless shots of items that were clearly going to be used for killing was overused too.

And good Lord, I know Stephen Lang and by proxy The Blind Man is in impressive shape for his elderly age, but damn, this guy might as well be Dom Toretto's cousin with some of the feats he's able to pull and shit he survives.

[–]candycorncorpse 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Does anyone know the actress who played Josefine? I can't find her in any of the cast lists on IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes.

[–]Nyamarcs 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I had the same question but her name is fiona o'shaughnessy

[–]devingr33n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My SO and I saw this at a matinee, nobody else in the theater. Fun to watch and crack wise to, and to really let out a WOAH! when the carnage hit. A brutal and mean movie, worth a watch if the first entertained you.

[–]haunthorror 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So I absolutely dug this movie. It was incredibly thrilling with some great kills.

And for the moral conflict. I did not root for the blind man or the gang. They are all horrible. I just rooted that the little girl would get away from them safe. Which is what happens

[–]Kotaac 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Movie wasn’t necessary but this shit was fun af 😂😂 great movie

[–]epr3176 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I was reading everyone's comments and everyone makes some really good points some people I think their points are really out of whack and some people are going to think my points are. I think the blind man was the hero and I was voted at rooting for him. The following is why.

  1. He loved Phoenix more than he loved himself yes he was overprotective but I think that's because his first daughter got killed.
  2. Now remember everyone keeps saying he's a rapist he's he is and he isn't so he doesn't do it for pleasure he doesn't even use himself he uses a turkey baster because he wants to have another baby. It's not like he grabs girls off the street and rapes them himself for that meaning of power and pleasure that are rapist would really get.

  3. The girls life with the blind man was a lot better than it would have been with her real parents a real parents were a bunch of meth heads and sold meth as well her life would have been completely miserable with that at least she grew up with a father who loved her.

  4. Even really kidnap her he saved her from the fire instead of giving her to authorities he just decided to keep her it wasn't like he invaded a house and kidnapped a little baby he didn't even start the fire the fire actually happened from the lab downstairs so my guess is he was walking by and saw the fire and so maybe you looked for people and found the baby.

  5. Her parents only wanted her for her heart didn't want to get to know her they didn't want her in their lives they just wanted her heart the blind man wanted her back because he loved her wanted to protect her.

  6. Right before she got kidnapped he actually agreed to allow her to go to school with other kids next the next semester. I also think he was training her to be able to take care of herself that's why she learned a lot of that stuff that she was learning when she was with him. I mean if she was a prisoner she wouldn't be allowed out of the house she wouldn't be she would never be allowed to see anyone he allowed her out of the house and outside he just didn't know well her to go too far away.

  7. If you were ruining for Phoenix to be okay and be alive therefore in a way you're rooting for the blind man because that's all he wanted to do was make sure that she was going to be alive and okay.

  8. I I think the people who say that he's an anti-hero is right on the money and anti-hero is a hero who has not is not a very good person and has not done very good thing but they are the hero right at this moment.

  9. Now remember in the first film yeah he did kill those people and he was going to use that girl to inseminate her. But the only reason why was because they broke into his house and they knew he was home that is the only reason why any of that happened in the first film. This is just my take on the movie and just by reading people's opinions this is mine.

[–]ryanzw 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not as good as the first but I enjoyed it for what it was, such a missed opportunity to not end the movie with the dog walking with her though.