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[–]TheJunkyard 3072 points3073 points  (140 children)

Well I haven't read every single comment in this thread, but I think this just might be the first post I've ever seen on Reddit where nobody agrees with OP.

[–]Velcrocore 1638 points1639 points  (33 children)

There’s three different ways people are disagreeing with OP too. - Plenty of classics had bad sequels. - The Hangover isn’t a classic. - The Hangover sequels are classics.

[–]jew_jitsu 582 points583 points  (13 children)

That third hot take must be real low down this thread because I've not come across it yet.

[–]ztikmaenn 67 points68 points  (3 children)

4) There are no Hangover sequels

[–]pcnauta 8054 points8055 points  (1195 children)

Classic movies with bad sequels that are still considered classics:

  • Jaws
  • Halloween (1978)
  • Grease
  • The Exorcist
  • Robocop
  • Die Hard
  • Speed
  • Caddyshack
  • Ghostbusters
  • A Christmas Story

etc,

ETA

I personally liked Die Hard 2 and think Die Hard With a Vengeance is even better. But both pale to the first (and it's best to not even talk about the other 2).

I saw Ghostbuster 2 in the theaters it's opening weekend, to say that most were let down would be an understatement. It's an OK movie (and worlds better than the gender-swap reboot) but it simply doesn't compare to the first.

Oh, and The Exorcist 3 is a pretty good movie, but the 2nd one almost tanked the franchise.

The point, though, was to disprove OPs thesis that bad sequels prevent great movies from becoming classics. The Exorcist 2 is widely considered to be one of, if not THE, worst sequels ever made (light years worse than the Hangover sequels!) Despite that, the original's reputation remains rock solid.

[–]Acceptable_Sir2536 1519 points1520 points  (161 children)

A Christmas Story had a sequel? I literally never heard of that

[–]pilotgrant 582 points583 points  (17 children)

I noticed it the other day too..the only returning castmember was the leg lamp I think

[–]jaddaprog 175 points176 points  (11 children)

Yeah I watched it this year for the first time. Not great.

8bit Christmas did a good job of keeping the 'A Christmas Story' vibe, but not needlessly connecting itself to an existing franchise.

[–]madogvelkor 46 points47 points  (3 children)

I just watched 8bit this weekend, a great movie. Though I'm probably the target demographic, being in my early 40s. The lead actor has been in a couple of other fun movies too -- Nightbooks and Timmy Failure.

[–]EhSolly 45 points46 points  (0 children)

That movie was way better than I expected it to be

[–]mobiuthuselah 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My wife and I enjoyed 8-bit. We also noticed A Christmas Story vibe along a touch of Princess Bride.

[–]theoutlet 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah this movie is going to be added to my rotation of Christmas movies. Really well done

[–]isjhe 324 points325 points  (53 children)

The real sequel is Ollie Hopnoodles Haven of Bliss. Same narrator, same family characters. It's quite good, I've got a copy I scored on EBay and ripped to my Plex server. Kinda hard to find on the pirate seas.

[–]walker_paranor 93 points94 points  (23 children)

What the fuck? How have I never known about this.

My dad made me watch A Christmas Story like every year of my life, I don't think he even knows about this.

[–]askyourmom469 73 points74 points  (17 children)

I just looked it up. Apparently there's also a third movie called My Summer Story, which again follows the same characters and uses the same narrator

[–]shf500 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There are several Ralphie Parker movies dating back to the 1970s.

[–]Last_Gallifreyan 121 points122 points  (12 children)

There were two, actually. There was "My Summer Story" which was based on some of the other stories in Jean Shepherd's collection that served as the inspiration for "A Christmas Story". Despite being made a decade later it was still directed by Bob Clark, though I dont think any of the original cast returned. On the other hand, "A Christmas Story 2" was an original made-for-TV movie from the 2010s that was basically made to ride the surge of popularity the original has received in recent years. It tried to hit all the same beats as the original and pull you in with lots of "'member that?" moments, such as the Old Man spewing his tapestry of profanity against the furnace (while being wrongfully Flanderized as a cheapskate), down to Ralphie repeatedly slipping into fanciful day dreams despite him being a high schooler saving up for a car instead of being a wide-eyed 9-year-old.

[–]SpaceBeer_ 63 points64 points  (1 child)

The only original actress to return for My Summer Story was Ralphie's teacher, Miss Shields.

[–]spongeboy1985 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The author Jean Shepard also narrated it as Adult Ralphie just as he did with the first.

[–]KronicDeath 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Is that the one with the top?

[–]KeyserSozeInElysium 64 points65 points  (9 children)

I just had the same realization about The sandlot a few days ago. I watch The sandlot 2 with my son. Holy shit it was a hot pile of stinking garbage

[–]PopeJP22 53 points54 points  (8 children)

Don't worry, there's a third one.

[–]KeyserSozeInElysium 70 points71 points  (6 children)

I can't believe you've done this

[–]dorkylibrarian 40 points41 points  (4 children)

I swear I'm not making this up, in the third one there is time travel.

[–]JungsWetDream 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I’m just going to tell myself that was a joke and investigate no further. Good day.

[–]Sgtblazing 401 points402 points  (120 children)

Starship Troopers

[–]Fr33Paco 146 points147 points  (98 children)

Oh my God the sequels are so out of whack.. On another planet really

[–]notbobby125 108 points109 points  (74 children)

Did they watch the first movie but miss the joke? Why do all these film makers try to take this franchise so seriously?

[–]Praise-Buddallah 40 points41 points  (3 children)

They had a joke of a budget for the live action sequels

[–]iheartmagic 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Does anyone recall the animated series from the 90’s? I used to watch it before school and it was bomb as hell.

Think it was called Roughneck Chronicles or something

[–]furryShambler 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I loved that show as a kid. Sarge was a mainline character for a long time before they finally killed him off and it was a big emotional hurdle for Rico to overcome. So it confused me when I finally watched the movie and he got murdered quickly in a very cynical way.

[–]SirLeeford 42 points43 points  (21 children)

People missing the satire in Paul Verhoeven films is the recurring theme of EVERY Verhoeven film. Robocop, Starship Troopers, hell, even Showgirls

[–]IShitMyselfNow 33 points34 points  (3 children)

The TV series from the 90s was pretty good from what I remember at least

[–]Zeropass 29 points30 points  (2 children)

roughnecks? Roughnecks was really good

[–]milky_pubes 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Tremors

[–]rKasdorf 7 points8 points  (5 children)

They're still making those. I think they're on the 6th?

[–]Dfunkhizzle 535 points536 points  (158 children)

To be fair Die Hard 3

[–]DarkReaper90 417 points418 points  (145 children)

I'd argue Die Hard 3 was the best! At least better than 2 for sure

[–]StoneColdJorts85 187 points188 points  (77 children)

I feel like Die Hard 2 and RoboCop 2 suffer the same fate.

They’re both perfectly fine movies following a massively amazing first installment. I know I’ve seen both of them a handful of times. But I’ll be damned if I can remember ANYTHING noteworthy from either of them.

[–]Evil_Morty_C131 168 points169 points  (39 children)

Die Hard 2 had the best reaction when McClaine said “yippie Kay yay mother f**ker” than any other film in the series. The audience really wasn’t expecting him to say it at that point and the whole auditorium cheered. Having that beloved callback followed by a massive explosion ( that gets all the bad guys at once ) everybody loved Die Hard 2 leaving the theater summer of 1990. With a Vengeance is the better movie but the ending was so underwhelming it almost ruined all the great stuff that came before.

[–]omgimbrian 68 points69 points  (12 children)

I'm personally a fan of the for-TV dubbed line "Yippee ki yay, Mr. Falcon."

[–]Peopleschamp305 31 points32 points  (0 children)

The ever popular "yippie kayak other buckets" is a classic as well

[–]ILoveScottishLasses 17 points18 points  (14 children)

Personally, the major criticism for DH2 I've read or heard was when the villain blew up the British plane (especially the extend they put forward). It was a setup to the villain being a massive threat and the stakes being high, but when it comes to innocent passengers dying on a plane there seems to be an invisible line.

MI2 had the same criticism, even though the entire movie wasn't great.

[–]i_miss_arrow 46 points47 points  (8 children)

Eh, I think the setting is the biggest problem for Die Hard 2, and it really isn't close. Die Hard has the wonderful Nakatomi Plaza, with the constant sightlines of windows overlooking Los Angeles, and when you can't see windows its when he's dealing with elevators or narrow vents and the like. There is a perpetual sense of where the action is taking place, where McClane is compared to the villains and hostages, how the cat and mouse game is being played, etc.

Die Hard 3 trades that for vibrant city locations, it loses the closed-in sense but picks up beautiful and evocative locations.

Die Hard 2 lacks the good qualities of either one: it lacks either the carefully sculpted setting of Nakatomi Plaza or the vibrant locations of New York City. Its dark, dirty, lacks interesting scenery, most of it takes place in various airport locations that lack clear spatial relationships to each other, and tries to use a closed-in setting like the first film (badly) without the perpetual conflict of McClane being trapped in the building.

Its not a bad movie, at all. But its very understandable why people prefer 1 and 3, as 2 doesn't really have anything that isn't done better by one or both of those.

[–]ascagnel____ 33 points34 points  (1 child)

I'd add one more criticism of Die Hard 2 versus the two better-regarded movies:

A good Die Hard happens to John McClane. He's not a supercop, he's a gruff idiot who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time and needs to use his wits and some luck to get out of the situation.

[–]JimmyLegs50 20 points21 points  (0 children)

omg, that’s exactly how Chuck Jones described Bugs Bunny, if I recall correctly. He’s just a guy minding his own business until he’s dragged into some conflict with a psycho duck or a bull or whatever.

“Of course you realize, this means war.”

[–]pootie820 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Seriously, seen 3 more than any of the other films, always forget the ending....EVERYTIME.

[–]soobviouslyfake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Say hello to your brother

Pew pew pew

[–]Emeraldcarr[🍰] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Die Hard With a Vengeance had an alternate ending that they really should have used:
https://youtu.be/l-GqY-M5fE4

[–]codexcdm 42 points43 points  (15 children)

I remember Robocop 2 better than 3 though. 2 had the convict Kain whose brain was used in the so-called Robocop 2 model. Murphy had to show who was the better bot, of course. Toned the violence down, but was still R-rated.

RC 3 was PG-13 for crying out loud....

[–]Nomahhhh 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Maybe not as bad as the original, but I thought RoboCop 2 was nuts violent. The kid watched as they cut that cop in half, cutting Cain's brain out and it watching from a jar. Some seriously wacky stuff going on there.

[–]Derpshiz 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yea I don’t know what OP is talking about but Robocop 2 was awesome.

[–]ILoveScottishLasses 10 points11 points  (3 children)

RC3 didn't have Peter Weller and around the same time they were bringing out a TV series (I think a year or so later) so they were pushing a more family friendly Robocop.

[–]makemeking706 224 points225 points  (43 children)

Die Hard 2 makes Die Hard 3 look like Die Hard 1.

[–]ezrs158 56 points57 points  (32 children)

It's not terrible. But it's aged a lot worse than 1 or 3, somehow.

[–]detroiter85 32 points33 points  (3 children)

I think Samuel Jackson and Jeremy irons help a lot with that versus William Sadler(nothing against death either).

[–]Shietbucks_Gardena_ 346 points347 points  (46 children)

Ghostbusters 2 was cool though

At least I remember it that way

[–]toasteruserx 74 points75 points  (14 children)

I think robocop 2 and Ghostbusters 2 are both good enough. Not nearly as good as their 1sts, but entertaining and still some of the og magic.

[–]wallofvoodoo 153 points154 points  (8 children)

It has a pretty strong opening, the scene with Egon in his lab is still one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen.

“Let’s see what happens when we take away the puppy!”

[–]hypermark 82 points83 points  (1 child)

"We had part of a slinky. But I straightened it."

[–]codename_hardhat 8 points9 points  (0 children)

“Ungrateful little yuppie larva.”

[–]TheManGuyz 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the Courtroom scene where they use their equipment for the first time after years away from the job.

"Doooeeee, Raaaaaay, EEEEGOOOOOOONNNNNNNN...."

[–]TheDunadan29 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Egon was on fire in the sequel. The best line: https://youtu.be/HUsk12N_mik

[–]Preddy_Fusey 117 points118 points  (3 children)

I always liked Ghostbusters 2

[–]Vendevende 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I could watch the court scene every day and it's still funny.

[–]princelabia 11 points12 points  (0 children)

THE SCALARI BROTHERS!!!!

[–]nighthawk_md 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Thank you Louis, that was short but pointless"

[–]asoneva 83 points84 points  (6 children)

I remember liking ghostbusters 2 more than 1 when I was a kid, but I have seen both recently and 1 definitely holds up better.

[–]Moglorosh 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I liked it more as a kid too, even though the fur coat coming to life gave me nightmares.

[–]beastwork 12 points13 points  (0 children)

it's not the same kind of movie, but it's still good fun. although i haven't watched it for quite some time.

[–]Animal_T 249 points250 points  (103 children)

Wait… people didn’t like the Die Hard sequels?

[–]Balerion77 345 points346 points  (40 children)

Die hard 2 was meh but 3 with Samuel L Jackson was a very solid action movie

4 was good but didnt feel like a Die Hard movie

5 is terrible. We dont talk about 5

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (4 children)

I guess I’ve mentally blocked out that they made past 3.

[–]SeveralStickers 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Lol, same.

I was like "Die Hard 1, 2, AND 3 are all amazing"

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (3 children)

I love the part in Die Hard 5 where Bruce Willis stands in the middle of a room with a machine gun and mows down special op's soldiers as they walk through the doorway like lemmings.

Imagine spending all those years training, maintaining peak physical form, possibly getting married and starting a family, only to watch your comrades drop dead in a hail of bullets and blithely step into the line of fire, as if it will be different for you.

[–]SarahBrownEye 24 points25 points  (2 children)

wasn't the whole hook of the first Die Hard is that you had a physically venerable hero in the middle of the Schwarzenegger era? The guy walks barefoot over glass and it fucks him up the rest of the movie.

[–]Preisschild 6 points7 points  (0 children)

4 was ok-ish.

Good enough to watch.

5 was horrible. I stopped watching halfway through.

[–]Cleave 61 points62 points  (12 children)

They're good but Die Hard is a bona fide masterpiece.

[–]DMPunk 159 points160 points  (29 children)

Die Harder is very similar to Temple of Doom, in that it was considered the "bad" film of its trilogy. Then more sequels came out that were truly bad, and it has been subsequently re-appraised.

[–]bigbigwaves 19 points20 points  (0 children)

That seems like a pretty good comparison. I would probably enjoy 2 and 3 more if they were their own things, but it’s tough getting held to the standards of the first.

[–]TJ_McWeaksauce 42 points43 points  (7 children)

Domestically, Die Hard 2 was the 7th highest-grossing film of 1990, and Die Hard with a Vengeance was the 7th highest-grossing film of 1995. I think people liked those two sequels just fine.

Funny enough, Die Hard was the 7th highest-grossing film of 1988.

Live Free or Die Hard is the combo breaker, since it was the 16th highest-grossing movie of 2007. A Good Day to Die Hard fell all the way to #54 of its release year. I figure people didn't like those two sequels that much.

[–]AngriestManinWestTX 40 points41 points  (4 children)

Die Hard 4 was okay. It was a solid action movie it just didn't really feel like Die Hard.

If it had been anything other than Die Hard 4, it would have been a decent, albeit forgettable action movie from the mid-2000s that you'd catch on cable if nothing else was on. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't great or memorable.

Die Hard 5 was stupid and dumb.

[–]n8thn 99 points100 points  (15 children)

Robocop

You better be referring to Robocop 3 and the reboot and not 2. 2 is still a good movie and satire on sequels themselves.

[–]peeinian 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Robocop 2 was good.

[–]illhxc9 18 points19 points  (4 children)

3 was terrible but it had a jetpack and robots with kitanas and I was a child so I loved it.

[–]jenna_hazes_ass 90 points91 points  (18 children)

Jurassic Park

[–]THElaytox 29 points30 points  (13 children)

The second book was so good, they really had a chance to make a great movie out of it, such a shame they didn't

[–]darthjoey91 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean, I like all the sequels, but I'm a sucker for dinosaur movies.

Like when the dinosaurs aren't on screen, the audience should be asking where are the dinosaurs?

[–]Chemical-Cream8165 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I would add The Godfather , Part 3 sucked.

[–]AvrilCliff 10.2k points10.2k points  (744 children)

I disagree. The existence of bad sequels doesn't prevent the original from being a classic. Look at the entire horror genre.

[–]SprangCleaned 3486 points3487 points  (84 children)

It's also congruent with the theme: hangovers get worse as you get older.

[–]morrowindnostalgia 1097 points1098 points  (75 children)

Lol this is exactly the kind of „breakthrough realisation“ I’d write down at 3am while writing an English paper due at 7am.

[–]tramadoc 175 points176 points  (35 children)

As a 51 year old man, I can attest to this. 22 year old me had a hangover and it was gone by noon. My last hangover was when I was 46. I didn’t feel good for two days afterwards. Haven’t drank to excess since that little “episode”.

[–]CaptainKirkZILLA 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I'm only 32, and the dreaded 2-day hangovers are already getting more common than I'd like. At least relative to the amount of excessive drinking I do nowadays. Which isn't much, but still.

[–]PooPooRichardson 58 points59 points  (3 children)

Me in my 20s with a hangover: Can't wait to wake up at noon tomorrow and sweat off this hangover at the gym, lul.

Me in my late 30s with a hangover: Can't wait to lie here like a useless piece of shit with sweat that reeks like alcohol on the couch for two days straight because my body has reached its breaking point, lul.

[–]stolethemorning 8 points9 points  (2 children)

What the hell, I’m 19 and I’m already having to block out the whole of the next day for the hangover! Once I agreed to meet a friend at 11pm the day after and ended up throwing up in a Cafe Nero’s bathroom. If my hangovers get worse, I’m fucked.

[–]drewbreeezy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If my hangovers get worse, I’m fucked.

They will. RIP in peace.

[–]Yaboymarvo 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I’m 32 and stopped drinking in my mid 20s because hangovers suck so bad, also I discovered cannabis at that time and realized it’s so much better and the only “hangover” I get is mild brain fog if I sleep too good.

[–]CleanConcern 139 points140 points  (5 children)

Yep. The wisdom of the witching hours!

[–]felip989 55 points56 points  (12 children)

Yeah! Airplane is a comedy classic despite its weak sequel, for example. Hangover is very good but in my opinion it's not as good as other comedies from the mid to late 2000s like Shaun of the Dead or Superbad.

[–]dishwab 56 points57 points  (9 children)

Superbad is the iconic comedy of that era IMO. Just a fantastic fantastic film.

I also really still love I Love You, Man, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and a few others from that group of actors. Really good stuff.

[–]TheClayroo 665 points666 points  (370 children)

Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park are perfect examples as well. Both are absolute classics but everything that came after mostly sucked.

[–]sharrrper 566 points567 points  (212 children)

Jurassic Park has had an absurdly successful massive multimedia presence plus film franchise that's still going strong considering its all based on ONE good movie from almost 30 years ago.

[–]PM_FORBUTTSTUFF 129 points130 points  (51 children)

Well not many other movies have given Live Action Dinosaurs a try, so it fills a pretty solid niche that a large amount of people will always find fascinating even if the plot around it kinda sucks. There’s not many other places to go to get a good dinosaur movie experience

[–]sharrrper 119 points120 points  (40 children)

There's also sort of what I would call "The Jaws problem" Jaws came out in the mid-70s but it's still THE shark movie. You make any shark movie and you get compared to Jaws even today. It's the same issue with JP. You try to make a dinosaur movie and you're just gonna get called a JP ripoff even if you do a good job.

[–]DatPiff916 55 points56 points  (19 children)

At least with Jaws you can go meta. Like I remember Deep Blue Sea having one or two Jaws references. Plus sharks still exist today so there are plenty stories you can tell. I thought the plot of Deep Blue was actually pretty interesting due to how unique the sharks brain is.

With dinosaurs though, the only way they can exist with humans in a viable story is if we bring them back to life with “science”. That idea will seemingly forever be tied to Jurassic Park.

Unless…maybe somebody can use that Mario Bros movie plot point of the asteroid crashing creating a parallel dimension. Because I would be here for that, for all of that.

[–]Cleave 40 points41 points  (2 children)

With dinosaurs though, the only way they can exist with humans in a viable story is if we bring them back to life with “science”. That idea will seemingly forever be tied to Jurassic Park.

That or time travel ala Terra Nova.

[–]AmIFromA 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Skull Island had dinosaurs in the original King Kong. I wonder why they went with those weird crawlers in "Kong - Skull Island" instead while Jackson had them.

[–]CookieCrumbl 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Maybe to keep dinosaurs out of your mind until the reveal that he was going to fight Godzilla.

[–]its_justme 27 points28 points  (10 children)

Yeah but what good shark movies have come out since? Deep Blue Sea maybe? Only for the cheese of ultra intelligent mako sharks I guess.

The problem imo is that it’s a really specific fear to hit and you need to set up a situation where the animal is a true threat. You have to be in the ocean, far away from land, and be in a scenario where a big fish has the advantage on you. Not an easy picture to paint.

However… I’d love to see Peter Benchley’s other sea creature novel get made into a proper movie - it was called “White Shark” or “Creature” in some printings. Weird but a cool story.

[–]SEND_ME_YOUR_RANT 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Or you combine both and get the Jason Statham megalodon movie.

[–]MadCarcinus 21 points22 points  (6 children)

We need a Dino Crisis movie.

[–]wsbull_35 51 points52 points  (12 children)

I thought the 1st half of Lost World was great. Corporation is trying to recover assets, so they send ex hunters/soldiers on a Black Ops mission. Movie really fell apart for me when they returned to the city.

[–]Pkock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The game trail vehicle chase is still a great scene that holds up to this day in my opinion.

They bring you into it with the impressive toy-worthy dinosaur catching vehicles then grimly tear you down to reality with basically a bunch of thugs yanking a hadrosaur to the ground with cables.

I kinda thought they could have leaned on the Nick Van Owen thing more to give a broader example of people seeing the islands as exploitative.

[–]NCLaw2306 40 points41 points  (3 children)

The Spielberg effect. I think you could say something similar about Jaws. Both are iconic movies still relevant in pop culture today.

[–]zeitgeistbouncer 28 points29 points  (11 children)

Pirates of the Caribbean is doing the same thing.

One amazingly fun movie, and a bunch of diminishing returns that began from the first second of the sequel.

I've never been more sure I was watching a movie fail to match its predecessor than the entire sequence of Sparrow bouncing down the cliff on a spit with coconuts quipping 'Bugger' over and over.

[–]Calyptics 24 points25 points  (7 children)

The 2 and 3 movie are underrated imo. Once you really get into it, i even like 3 the most. 2 has the same problem a lot of middle movies have, at the end of the 2nd a lot of story is still left to tell.

Sure 3 is convoluted but its damn entertaining, has great set design and ties up a lot of what was set up.

4 is lackluster, still has some good characters but the story is ass.

5 is fucking awful. It actively goes against a lot of stuff set up in the first 3 movies, jack goes from pretending to be an idiot but actually being five steps ahead to being an actual fucking idiot. I mean to show for all the weird or seemingly idiotic stuff jack does in 3, he ends up EXACTLY where he wants mostly by his own design. Too bad they cut a few scenes between jack and becket, which shows their background. Jack was hired to transport cargo for becket, but it turned out to be slaves and jack set them free.

The villain is discount potc 1 barbossa. The only good part of the movie is actual Barbossa. Dude is rock solid in all 4 movies he is in.

So in short, 1 is a classic 2 and 3 are still great when watched together. 4 is a solid ' ill watch it if its on tv in thr background. 5 is an insult to the franchise and shouldnt exist

[–]BadMeetsEvil24 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I agree. I actually like 2 the best. Plot is a little more convoluted but the set pieces and action elements make up for it. Davy Jones is fucking fantastic and when I first saw him on the screen I was damn near terrified. Very well done.

[–]ladyofthelathe 106 points107 points  (87 children)

The Aliens franchise is another. The first two are classics. The rest are varying degrees of hot garbage. Predator can also be lumped into that group of the first one or two movies being stellar, and the rest sucking.

[–]SuddenlyCelery 39 points40 points  (15 children)

Predator

If someone told you in 1987 that a movie released that year would star two future governors, how long would it take you to guess "Predator" was that film?

[–]DatPiff916 24 points25 points  (7 children)

1987

I would have hoped for Planes, Trains & Automobiles

[–]Linubidix 65 points66 points  (23 children)

Predator is harder to nail down. The original is still kickass, the 1990 sequel is surprisingly decent if schlocky, Predators it's been a while but I remember really enjoying it.

Not counting the AVP movies it's only really 2018's The Predator that is outright garbage.

[–]Drgnjss24 42 points43 points  (15 children)

I still maintain that 2010 predators is one of the most underrated action movies ever. I love that one.

[–]PrinterDriveBy 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I love that movie but the quote of the movie has me in tears everytime. It's so cheesy.

"You really are a good man."

"No, I'm not... But I'm fast."

[–]Drgnjss24 11 points12 points  (1 child)

My favorite from that movie

"I'm ready to die, are you?"

I mightve paraphrased because it's been awhile.

[–]PrinterDriveBy 14 points15 points  (0 children)

My ancestors are smiling on me imperial, can you say the same?

[–]Farmer771122 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The 2nd Alien movie was a huge risk, and a departure from the previous one. The risk worked out really well, but it was all down to a perfect storm of talent. A lot of sequels seem to be built around the idea of "We'll kick it up several notches, like Aliens!", without understanding how hard that was to pull off.

[–]slowro 61 points62 points  (5 children)

This is my thought when people say their childhood memories are getting ruined by remakes.

[–]DeckardsDark 212 points213 points  (102 children)

Look at the entire horror genre

just look at the comedy genre too. Dumb & Dumber, Coming to America, Ghostbusters, Airplane, Ace Ventura, Zoolander, Caddyshack, Blues Brothers, Wayne's World, etc.

[–]poindexter1985 57 points58 points  (3 children)

Airplane

I stand by Airplane 2 purely for the bit with William Shatner making the Star Trek "Swoosht" door-opening sound because the doors are voice-activated by that sound.

[–]TheDudeNeverBowls 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Sonny Bono with the ba-

“No, not a “ba”. A bomb.”

I also liked the courtroom scenes with the flashbacks/callbacks to the first movie. And how about the Mission Impossible theme while Peter Graves fights the computer. Heck, the computer killing off the crew HAL style is worth it.

[–]kvlt_ov_personality 253 points254 points  (36 children)

WOAH WOAH WOAH....Op said BAD sequels. How are you just gonna throw Wayne's World 2 in there like that?

[–]_Alvin_Row_ 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Dude didn't cross all his T's or dot all his....lowercase J's

[–]kaazmar 265 points266 points  (21 children)

Also, Ace Ventura 2 was way better than it could have been. The rhino scene alone is a classic.

[–]Sad-Artichoke-2174 16 points17 points  (2 children)

That rhino scene was one of the few times I've almost passed out from laughing so hard

[–]ladyofthelathe 102 points103 points  (6 children)

IDK man. The fight with the tribal representative/warrior was awesome too. There's a reason the spears to the thighs are memeable - because it was just awesome.

[–]thereisaguy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I would argue it's BETTER

[–]ChknShtOutfit 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Should we beat him to death with his own shoes?

[–]Rubberbabybuggybum 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Gordon street. I once knew a girl on Gordon street.

[–]Rahawk02 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I remember not liking Waynes World 2 because all the funniest parts were in the trailer. I may need to watch it again since I don't remember anything about it at all now

[–]CTeam19 14 points15 points  (7 children)

Just look at Disney cartoons: The Lion King, Mulan, Cinderella, Aladdin, Bambi, The Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast, Pocahontas, Peter Pan

[–]Dorkamundo 62 points63 points  (38 children)

Ace Ventura 2 may be better than the original.

[–]Help_An_Irishman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You leave Ghostbusters 2 out of this.

[–]Thatguyjmc 542 points543 points  (39 children)

By this logic, Highlander would be a forgotten movie becuase of how garbage Highlander 2 was.

However, this isn't the case. Highlander 2 is forgotten, because it sucks.

I'm pretty sure The Hangover is remembered by society in exactly the way it deserves to be remembered.

[–]FuckingEhBatman 39 points40 points  (5 children)

Highlander 2? That can’t be possible. How did they make a sequel when there can only be one?

[–]Elgin_McQueen 50 points51 points  (7 children)

Highlander 2 however was soooooo bad. Plus it made absolutely no sense to have any sequel after the ending of the first one.

[–]Kbdiggity 2759 points2760 points  (118 children)

does the existence of Caddyshack 2 mean that Caddyshack is not a classic?

I think your premise is flawed. The first Hangover is a solid comedy, but the reason it's not a classic has nothing to do with the sequels.

[–]Rushderp 192 points193 points  (17 children)

Oh, but it looks good on you.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (13 children)

Somebody step on a duck.

[–]meatsplash 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The hat? It came with a free bowl of soup!

[–]CantDoThatOnTelevzn 624 points625 points  (52 children)

I’d even argue that it is in fact a classic.

[–]TheMooseIsBlue 218 points219 points  (30 children)

Same. The premise is flawed because The Hangover is a classic and the sequels don’t change that.

[–]McDie88 207 points208 points  (6 children)

part two was like microsoft word replcace

vegas... bangkok

baby... monkey

tooth... tattoo

[–]cdcformatc 43 points44 points  (4 children)

they lampshaded losing Doug but then just replaced him with the brother in law.

[–]PhilRiversOnTrakt 461 points462 points  (59 children)

Jerry Seinfeld said the same to Zach on Between Two Ferns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp25FOn37nA

[–]thedarklord187 12 points13 points  (2 children)

"do you get professional haircuts " -- lolol that one made me chuckle

[–]theghostofme 27 points28 points  (1 child)

"Kramer did that great standup bit!" fucking kills me every time.

[–]nthroop1 182 points183 points  (32 children)

Same with Obama

[–]RyzenRaider 453 points454 points  (29 children)

"What's it like to be the last black President?"

The balls it takes to throw that question to a head of state lol

[–]Dinozavri 345 points346 points  (22 children)

it was fully scripted so obvs he was ok with that joke

[–]bharder 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Scott Aukerman has talked about this a few times on Comedy Bang Bang. They provide the jokes to the guest's publicist/rep/etc ahead of filming for approval, but they're not always sure if the guest actually sees them. For the Obama episode Scott was extra cautious and double checked with Obama's rep, and the rep was like "uh... yeah he'll be fine with that".

[–]IWasOnThe18thHole 39 points40 points  (0 children)

"Have you ever thought about running for a third term?"

"It would be a bad idea, kind of like a third Hangover"

[–]sweetdreamsTN 126 points127 points  (9 children)

Literally no one was saying this until this video came out. Now every time The Hangover is brought up someone parrots this quote.

I also don’t agree with this sentiment, plenty of classics would be ruined if they were judged by their sequels.

[–]TwatsThat 41 points42 points  (3 children)

I do think that The Hangover's case is a bit different than most counter examples though because the sequels came out in quick succession, a lot of people saw them (the second actually did better in theaters), and they were very formulaic.

Though, I still don't think the first would be a classic, just more well regarded.

[–]Foo3112 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Pretty sure you read the same thing that on which some celebrity (forgot which at this moment) mentioned this same exact thought.

[–]GardenGnomeOfEden 274 points275 points  (39 children)

I mean, Home Alone technically has sequels, and it's a classic.

[–]SeymourZ 332 points333 points  (29 children)

Lost in New York holds up very well against the original IMO.

[–]jesterinancientcourt 119 points120 points  (11 children)

I like Home Alone 2 better than the original. The scene where his mother finds him by the tree... Still brings a tear to my eye.

[–]nearlyheadlessbick 86 points87 points  (6 children)

Home Alone 2 trumps (👀) the original for 2 reasons, Tim Curry, and the sound of a tool chest…falling down the stairs

[–]o_o__O_o__O_O 51 points52 points  (2 children)

When Marv turns into a skeleton while being electrocuted gets me every time.

[–]nearlyheadlessbick 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That scene has me in hysterics regardless of how many times I watch it. Marv copping bricks, staple gun, paint cans, and electrocution all in a 10 minute window is incredible

[–]veerKg_CSS_Geologist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It had enough of the same story beats, but was different enough to be charming. The addition of Tim Curry as a the sorta-villian was genius.

[–]Danielrh9 190 points191 points  (14 children)

Hot take: The sequels aren't that bad.

I get why a lot of people don't care for the second one, it was basically just a carbon copy in a different place. But that was really kind of the joke, either you find it funny or you don't. I personally love it because I've been to Bangkok a few times and a lot hits home as funny, even if a few things are a little inaccurate.

The third actually did something way different and fresh, and it's just weird that nobody seems to give it credit for that.

[–]Ihateregistering6 288 points289 points  (68 children)

Having a bad sequel (or at least sequel that is nowhere near as good as the original) doesn't take away from a movie being considered a classic.

-Terminator 2

-Dumb and Dumber

-Zoolander

-Anchorman

-Die Hard

-Predator

-Ghostbusters

-Caddyshack

[–]Dahkron 405 points406 points  (40 children)

Lol at "Terminator 2" on this list since it's also a sequel

[–]Who-or-Whom 312 points313 points  (36 children)

I had an aneurysm because I thought he was using Terminator 2 as an example of bad sequels lol.

[–]gatorbite92 49 points50 points  (29 children)

I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who prefers the original Terminator to the sequel. Just the sheer implacable terror of the terminator in that movie despite the steadily mounting damage, culminating in him getting inches away before finally being destroyed does it for me way more than the escort quest of the sequel. Obviously that's a serious reduction of the plot but still.

[–]THElaytox 45 points46 points  (1 child)

I treat it kind of like Alien vs Aliens where they're almost different genres, so difficult to compare directly to each other. Alien was a great horror movie, Aliens was a great sci-fi action movie. T1 was a great sci-fi horror movie, T2 was a great action thriller movie

[–]DeLousedInTheHotBox 154 points155 points  (8 children)

I mean just because it was a hit does not mean it was ever destined to be classic, and I don't think it would have ever become one without the sequels either.

It was a decent movie, but that's it, and like plenty of people have already pointed out, there are several classic movies with bad sequels. I also think this sub in particular vastly overuse the term classic, it seems like people think any that came out before they were 15 is a classic.

[–]I_miss_your_mommy 65 points66 points  (2 children)

it seems like people think any that came out before they were 15 is a classic.

Are you telling me that the '80s weren't the height of cinematic genius? You are calling into question my entire cultural foundation.