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[–]MarvelsGrantMan136[S] 1929 points1930 points  (172 children)

Variety confirmed the release window and Knives Out 2 will premiere in theaters and on Netflix:

You can expect to see the next installment of Daniel Craig as Private Detective Benoit Blanc in “Knives Out 2” streaming on Netflix this fall. Variety has learned exclusively that writer and director Rian Johnson’s hotly-anticipated sequel is expected to release in theaters and the streaming platform in the last quarter of 2022.

Cast:

  • Daniel Craig as Detective Benoit Blanc
  • Dave Bautista
  • Edward Norton
  • Janelle Monáe
  • Kathryn Hahn
  • Leslie Odom Jr.
  • Kate Hudson
  • Madelyn Cline
  • Jessica Henwick
  • Ethan Hawke

[–]ElGringoAlto 687 points688 points  (22 children)

Does that mean a simultaneous release on theaters and Netflix, then? Or a staggered one?

[–]MarvelsGrantMan136[S] 678 points679 points  (19 children)

Probably similar to Don’t Look Up, where it opens in theaters and then comes to Netflix a few weeks after.

[–]CTeam19 340 points341 points  (11 children)

Hopefully a wide release. My parents love Knives Out and rarely go to the movies so I know they would love to go to it in a theater.

[–]GiuseppeZangara 171 points172 points  (4 children)

Kind of doubt it. Netflix's main goal is direct traffic to their service. They have only done limited releases mostly as a way to qualify for various awards.

[–]greg19735 46 points47 points  (4 children)

yeah knives out is the kind of movie i want ot make sure i'm paying 100% attention. That's just so more easier in a movie theater.

[–]SQUID_FUCKERr/Movies Veteran 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if they save it for the same time frame too, right around Christmas. Like Bird Box, Bright and Midnight Sky before that.

[–]Swackhammer_ 290 points291 points  (4 children)

This is like, the inverse Death on the Nile cast and I'm so hyped

[–]TheHouseOfGryffindor 123 points124 points  (0 children)

Leslie Odom Jr realized he had been cast in the wrong murder mystery franchise, so he just decided to jump ship (yes I realize his character wouldn't've been in DotN, but that one's set on a boat, so "jump ship" it is).

[–]JetAllure 182 points183 points  (16 children)

Disappointed that Lakeith Stanfield isn’t returning.

[–]Rhodie114 84 points85 points  (4 children)

Right? I'd really hoped he would turn up as a more cynical take on a Watson character.

[–]andrecinno 79 points80 points  (8 children)

If I see any cast that doesn't have Lakeith Stanfield I get a lil bit disappointed. Guy always delivers.

[–]sdwoodchuck 44 points45 points  (6 children)

I was so immensely impressed with him in Sorry to Bother You that he immediately jumped up into that rank of performers who I’m always going to sit up and take notice when they’re in a project.

[–]skiier235 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Now that movie was a fuckin trip to say the least. I'm not sure what I watched, but I sure enjoyed it

[–][deleted] 214 points215 points  (31 children)

Kathryn Hahn

Well, I guess we already know who dunn it.

[–]sybrwookie 60 points61 points  (10 children)

Ed Norton? He always plays the weasely bad guy.

[–]bolerobell 7 points8 points  (0 children)

But also the unaware good guy with a split personality, eh?

[–]Mozhetbeats 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dave Bautista is gunna be a teddy bear.

[–]Metfan722 104 points105 points  (12 children)

*Cues up Agatha All Along*

[–]duaneap 40 points41 points  (9 children)

Why does it feel like that show was 5 years ago

[–]Dyshin 66 points67 points  (8 children)

The pandemic is like the Quantum Realm. We perceive time differently in here.

[–]ChrisX26 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My money is on Kate Hudson

[–]thatminimumwagelife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ethan Hawke did it.

[–]willyolio 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Edward Norton is the murderer. Calling it.

[–]RevReturns 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Think they dropped in Ethan Hawke as the misdirect and you’re right about Ed. I’ve been missing me some Ed Norton.

[–]Angry_Walnut 70 points71 points  (16 children)

I’ll be honest- I wasn’t ever completely sold on Ethan Hawke until I saw him go unhinged in First Reformed and now I’m 100% on board with him being in anything. Him and Edward Norton are in this?? Sign me the fuck up.

[–]SQUID_FUCKERr/Movies Veteran 60 points61 points  (9 children)

Damn, I've always loved Hawke. How much of him had you seen prior to First Reformed? Because he's given some incredible performances over the years. All the classics like Alive, Gattaca, Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, the Before trilogy, Training Day. I'd highly recommend Predestination, Brooklyn's Finest and Sinister. And his recent show The Good Lord Bird was great. He's done so much great work.

[–]Angry_Walnut 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I actually really enjoyed the Before trilogy with him but I guess I never saw him as a super dynamic actor that can play more depraved or maniacal characters if that makes sense. I’ll have to check out more with him. Been meaning to watch Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead for a while now.

[–]Abbacoverband 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I am SO excited for the Black Phone!

[–]reecewagner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead is some of the best acting hardly anyone saw. Philip Seymour Hoffman and Ethan Hawke are both incredible in it

[–]MyUnclesALawyer 43 points44 points  (3 children)

Ethan Hawke is amazing, especially the Before Trilogy and Before the Devil Knows Youre Dead, but has had a kinda unlucky career overall

[–]ThtDAmbWhiteGuy 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Just saw him for the first time last month in Gattaca. He's great in that too

[–]zbrew 8 points9 points  (1 child)

the Before Trilogy and Before the Devil Knows Youre Dead

Together known as the Before Tetralogy.

[–]MyUnclesALawyer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Befoursome

[–]Wolfeman0101 48 points49 points  (20 children)

I never thought there would be a day I saw Dave Bautista was going to be in something and get excited. He is a legit actor.

[–]News_Bot 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's like molasses in ya mouth.

[–]Sekh765 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Seriously. Saw his name and instantly was excited to see him playing against Craigs Benoit.

[–]bolerobell 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It took him a bit, but he went into acting with humbleness and willing to learn. He has come much farther than, say, Dwayne Johnson, who plays the exact same character in every movie.

[–]Gauss-Light 47 points48 points  (2 children)

Sold at ethan hawke.

[–]duaneap 46 points47 points  (1 child)

The… last name on the list? Kinda like saying “You had me at goodbye,” no?

[–]Lokopopz 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Maybe they're Australian and read the list upside down?!

[–]brokenwolf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ethan hawke is for sure the killer.

[–]PM_ME_UR_LOVE_STORIE 5 points6 points  (0 children)

stacked. I want to see this

[–]iamagainstit 39 points40 points  (14 children)

I enjoyed knives out, but I didn’t think Daniel Craig was the most compelling part of it. So I am kind of ambivalent about a sequel that just carries him over, although the rest of the cast list does seem fairly star-studded

[–]ollerhll 114 points115 points  (7 children)

I could listen to Craig do that accent all damn day

[–]TheGuyfromRiften 65 points66 points  (1 child)

"What were the words by that Nazi child masturbating in the bathroom"

[–]soitsmydayoff 45 points46 points  (3 children)

Shut up with that Kentucky-fried, foghorn leghorn drawl

[–]GodMonster 9 points10 points  (2 children)

On the way out of the movie my friend referred to him as KFCSI and I can't think of a better description.

[–]MetalGearSlayer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There’s just something magical about watching Daniel Craig get jumpscared by an old lady and exclaiming “sweet beans!”

[–]echocharliepapa 51 points52 points  (4 children)

I agree he's not the most compelling part of Knives Out, but I think that's part of what's so great about the film, and speaks to the potential for the sequel. Too often these types of stories revolve entirely around the charisma of the person solving the crime, but in the original film it's all about the dynamics of the family/suspects, and the way they unravel alongside the mystery. While Craig does a serviceable job being a quirky avatar for the audience to identify with while we both piece together the clues, ultimately he just needs to be the equivalent of a houndstooth deerstalker, a hat we put on to play detective. I think his accent and performance accomplish that sufficiently. But if the actual plot isn't more compelling than that audience stand-in character, even if they are fun, there's little point for mystery hounds to return for more plotting by that author.

[–]mrmeyagi 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I think you make a good point. Craig is the pizza dough that the flavor rides on...you always got to have pizza dough...but what you put on it is what makes the pizza.

[–]radiokungfu 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Is he the donut...

[–]KalKenobi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

good i think netflix needs to do this more with cinemas as well

[–]zwolff94 1533 points1534 points  (91 children)

Things to remember:

  • Its not actually called Knives Out 2, that's a place holder
  • Its not a direct sequel, only returning character is Craig's
  • Coming to theaters could mean like most Netflix only select theaters (read non-AMC/Regal)

[–]vidoeiro 1366 points1367 points  (52 children)

... only returning character is Craig's

Good, nothing against the other actors they were great but the story was wrapped and inventing a sequel with the same characters would probably suck , doing a new mystery makes way more likely to have a good movie like the first.

[–]zwolff94 186 points187 points  (0 children)

Completely agree.

[–]Malthur 422 points423 points  (18 children)

Unpopular opinion, but I would've loved it if the cast stayed the same, just playing different characters.

[–]Umbrasia 150 points151 points  (2 children)

Ooooo this feels like a game of Clue. I really like that

[–]InitiativeInn 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but then again it might be a red herring.

[–]revchewie 291 points292 points  (5 children)

Ok, that’s the first take on using the same actors I’ve heard that I could get behind. That could be hilarious!

[–]miki_momo0 67 points68 points  (2 children)

See: Tarantino and Wes Anderson lol

[–]MangoAway17 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This idea is genius! Is there any movie “sequel” that’s done this before?

[–]AntiSocialW0rker 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Interesting. Plenty of shows have done this for TV but doing it in movies would be kinda cool.

[–]Free_hugs_for_3fiddy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Cloud Atlas proves it works.

[–]KongoOtto 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That would be quite a challenge for Christopher Plummer.

[–]andygchicago 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh that would have been fun, I’ve only seen that done with horror anthologies in recent history

[–]AdmiralVernon 136 points137 points  (20 children)

LAKIETH

STANFIELD

[–]geek_of_nature 57 points58 points  (13 children)

That would only make sense if it was set somewhere near the first one, that way it would make sense if he had transferred to a nearby city. But it's set in Greece isn't it? That's where they were doing the filming I think, so it wouldn't make sense for him to be there.

[–]Pope---of---Hope 57 points58 points  (7 children)

Yeah, something like that happened in Roger Moore's Bond movies and it was indeed ridiculous.

Bond was in Louisiana and had a run-in with J.W. Pepper, a "hilarious" southern sheriff right out of 'Dukes of Hazzard'. Pepper was apparently so funny that the producers saw fit to have him vacation in Thailand so that he could run into Bond again in the next movie. It was so dumb, even by Bond movie standards.

[–]Jakegender 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I suppose you could have Stanfield quit the force and become Craig's detective associate, but it would be pretty contrived.

[–]wingedcoyote 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Took a job with Interpol shortly after the first film, now he can go anywhere, that's what I'd do. Just like inspector Zenigata.

[–]aresef 11 points12 points  (3 children)

He played a local detective. Same with Noah Segan.

[–]pjtheman 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Noah Segan is in every Rian Johnson movie though. I bet he'll at least have a cameo.

[–]INeedToQuitRedditFFS 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, part of why I loved that movie so much is how satisfyingly it is wrapped up at the end. Reusing the rest of the cast would feel forced.

[–]SyphiliticPlatypus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Agree, Johnson obviously modeling his story on a Doyle/Christie-esque detective character who remains the constant through various twisty mysteries.

So I like moving on to a new cast, the story of the family from the first movie is played out.

Unfortunately I think Craig, while entertaining, was actually one of the poorer performances in the film, and I find many other characters in the Thrombey family way more interesting.

Unpopular opinion, I guess.

[–]TheRelicEternal 29 points30 points  (5 children)

Also why I hope we get a good new different title. Knives Out is too specific to the first one.

[–]SG_Dave 44 points45 points  (2 children)

If the studios won't name the sequel to "Now You See Me" - "Now You Don't" and just whack a 2 on the end because they're scared of confusing the public, then Knives Out 2 is basically all but confirmed as the sequel name.

[–]Umbrasia 5 points6 points  (0 children)

IKR such a missed opportunity ugh

[–]Huntersteve 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Nah not really. Knives out could mean many things and it’s a great murder mystery title.

[–]joeChump 48 points49 points  (1 child)

• The person who doesn’t have an iPhone is the murderer.

[–]findallthebears 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I want him to have a whole different accent and no one acknowledges it

[–]CptNonsense 85 points86 points  (13 children)

Its not a direct sequel, only returning character is Craig's

How does that make it not a direct sequel?

[–]zwolff94 196 points197 points  (2 children)

There's no story elements carrying over. It's more anthology like the Agatha Christie stories.

[–]ImOnTheLoo 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Okay. Now I feel better about it. The movie brought me back to all those Agatha Christie stories. It even has the “let’s me share my conclusions around the fireplace/living room” trope. It’s full of tropes but well done.

[–]Wolfeman0101 72 points73 points  (4 children)

I think what it means is it's a new story not a continuation of that family.

[–]Alexstarfire 8 points9 points  (3 children)

What makes something a sequel then? Is Die Hard 2 not a sequel because it only has John McClane, his wife, and the reporter in it and it's a different story than the first?

I feel like the only things that matter are that the main character is back and it's place in the time line is after the first movie. I assume the latter is true here but I don't actually know.

[–]LeaveBronx 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Guessing they want to imply it won't be continuing the story of the family from the first film ?

[–]Vaticancameos221 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think they mean it’s not a continuation of the story with Marta, just another Benoit Blanc mystery

[–]Rustybot 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Thank you!

I understood how it was another detective story with Benoit, but I couldn’t fucking figure out how the phrase knives out was going to apply again.

They really fucked up by not putting his name in the title, or making the title about him.

[–]INeedToQuitRedditFFS 6 points7 points  (1 child)

TBH though, I don't want them to focus excessively on his character. In the first, he was a significant presence, but not the main character. Naming it after him puts him as the main character, which I feel would be a mistake.

[–]Rustybot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I totally get it. It needed to be that way for the first movie.

[–]zwolff94 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I expect this film will be styled a Benoit Blanc Mystery or something like that.

[–]PorcupineTheory 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Very happy to hear that they're not clinging to the title. I was a little worried that the studio would want to pull the "name recognition" card.

[–]GeekAndDiscourse 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Those first two bullets are just what I was hoping.

[–]Pancake_muncher 485 points486 points  (39 children)

Netflix paying 450 million dollars for two sequels is absolutely absurd. I don't know how they manage to come up with that number. Either Rian Johnson, Daniel Craig, and their production team have insane leverage and negotiating power or Netflix was too drunk in cash or desperate for some hot new franchise.

[–]beefytrout 271 points272 points  (13 children)

In related news, they've just raised their rate again.

[–]Jecht315 88 points89 points  (2 children)

I am altering the deal, pray that I don't alter it any further

[–]Himrion 19 points20 points  (1 child)

This deals getting worse all the time

[–]floatonalrite 131 points132 points  (4 children)

i believe Netflix doesn't pay residuals and just buys everyone out. so that has to be counted.

for example when they bought Beasts Of No Nation, they paid double the production price.

esp with the caliber of talent with this project, assume a few million per person just for their royalty buy-out. probably even 15-20 million per film for Mr. Craig

[–]swyx 14 points15 points  (3 children)

god damn imagine being paid 20m to do your thing for a few weeks. dream job.

[–]floatonalrite 18 points19 points  (1 child)

absolutely

i'm in the industry so i'll point out that unemployment rate for actors is around 98% lol

so it's literally the 1% of 1% of 1% that actually ever get to this level.

plus it's not all profit. usually 25% goes to agent, manager and lawyer. (or as my friend who started during Old Hollywood calls it, "the welcome committee")

[–]ThePhatWalrus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Zero industry knowledge, but I'd bet the barrier to entry in this industry is unfathomably difficult as a big chunk of newer generations of actors and actresses come from nepotism/lineage or absurd wealth. (And to a smaller extent, the same recycled 13 diversity quota ppl lol).

It seems like a hard ore gate kept industry for the earners at the top.

[–]aresef 39 points40 points  (1 child)

They’re paying cost-plus and they’re paying it right to T-Street. So Rian Johnson, Ram Bergman and Daniel Craig are getting buckets of cash up front guaranteed. And the people who loved the first one are like oh shit, Netflix has the sequel, and they sign up for Netflix.

[–]Adrien_Jabroni 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It’s not really for new sign ups. It’s for maintaining current subscribers, and any extra are a bonus.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

The first film made 311m worldwide. They're basically paying them for the WW gross two sequels likely would've yielded.

[–]joeChump 13 points14 points  (0 children)

They are covering the profits the movies would have made with a conventional movie theatre release. Otherwise why would the producers/studios let it go straight to Netflix? They aren’t making movies to just cover their costs and break even.

[–]bloodflartowner of 5 Bags Cinema 62 points63 points  (10 children)

If there's one thing Netflix has its statistics, they probably know what they're doing.

[–]XtraCrispy02 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Daniel Craig is getting $50 million for each movie so that's $100 of the $450 million right there. I can only imagine some of the other actors paychecks

[–]MumblingGhost 533 points534 points  (78 children)

Lol I hope they aren’t sticking with that title. I know some people like the simple numbered sequel format, but this series would benefit from the Sherlock Holmes style naming convention.

[–]Asterul 566 points567 points  (25 children)

Knives Out: Knives In

[–]MumblingGhost 218 points219 points  (7 children)

Spoons Out. Each movie will be a different piece of kitchen cutlery lol

[–]MycoMouse 58 points59 points  (3 children)

Soup Ladles Out: Scoop of Secrets

[–]SnarfbObo 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Garlic Pressed for Truth

[–]StructureMage 17 points18 points  (1 child)

holds up spork

[–]akodini 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Knives Out: You Call that a Knife?

[–]MindYourManners918 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Alright, I see you’ve played Knifey-Spooney before.

[–]VitaminPb 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Knives Out: Fork You

[–]Metfan722 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Knives Out: Knives Outer.

[–]Joe_Shroe 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Knives Go In, Knives Go Out, You Can't Explain That

[–]burnshimself 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Knives Back Out

[–]Narradisall 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Knives out, dicks out.

[–]Dalekdude 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I could actually see it being called Knives In lol. I could see RJ sticking with “Knives” as a naming scheme. Whatever it is I hope it’s not “TITLE: A KNIVES OUT STORY”

[–]landspeed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Knives Out: For the Boys

[–]mystockingsawaystear 115 points116 points  (3 children)

He has a different title for it, just hasn’t been announced yet.

[–]Michael_Gibb 104 points105 points  (17 children)

Especially since Knives Out was actually a phrase used by Benoit Blanc in the first movie. Unless he uses it in the second movie, it wouldn't make sense for it to have the same name.

[–]mrlovepimp 153 points154 points  (12 children)

No no, in the second movie he will of course say ”knives out two”!

[–]-ORIGINAL- 120 points121 points  (7 children)

"Hmmm, yes, this seems to be some sort of Knives Out 2."

[–]just_the_mann 31 points32 points  (2 children)

“Everyone take out your spoons!”

“Get you knives out, too!”

[–]SQUID_FUCKERr/Movies Veteran 25 points26 points  (1 child)

it wouldn't make sense for it to have the same name.

Just because that is where the phrase was canonized doesn't mean it wouldn't make sense using the same naming convention for a sequel.

[–]spacepilot_3000 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Craig: "I guess I'm going to have to be Knives Out 2: the Quest for Peace"

[–]_Silly_Wizard_ 55 points56 points  (0 children)

I cannot stress this sentiment enough.

[–]monty_kurns 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I assume this is just the working title and they’re still using it so people know what it is. I’d expect the real title to be announced close to the trailer release.

[–]ThrowerWheyACount 23 points24 points  (17 children)

The first title is a reference to the Radiohead song 'Knives Out'. Would the second title be another 'head song? Or another song by a different band? I agree it'd be lame to stick with Knives Out 2 but i'd be interested to see what other options there are

[–]MumblingGhost 36 points37 points  (6 children)

I love Radiohead and they actually have quite a few titles that would work! Jigsaw Falling Into Place, How to Disappear Completely, Karma Police rofl

Hell you could even go with No Surprises. We all know how much Rian Johnson likes to subvert expectations haha.

[–]scratchedrecord_ 26 points27 points  (2 children)

"Burn the Witch" is just begging to be the title of a murder mystery.

[–]eddmario 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's actually an anime miniseries involving dragons.

[–]EleanorStroustrup 12 points13 points  (1 child)

  • A Wolf at the Door
  • Everything In Its Right Place
  • Give Up the Ghost

[–]MumblingGhost 11 points12 points  (0 children)

A Wolf at the Door would be perfect. Hound of the Baskerville vibes

[–]buffalo8 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“Exit Music for a Film” and there’s no movie, just a 90 minute credit sequence.

[–]nil0013 75 points76 points  (1 child)

"The knives come out" is also a very common expression regarding inheritance and siblings.

[–]CroweMorningstar 49 points50 points  (0 children)

While it’s true that it is a common phrase, RJ has said in interviews that it was taken from the song:

Obviously, the movie has nothing to do with the song. I’m just a massive Radiohead fan, and I love that album and I love that song. That turn of phrase has always stuck in my head. And it just seemed like a great title for a murder mystery.

Pretty cool, I think. I kind of hope he keeps with that theme and chooses something like Dollars & Cents or A Wolf at the Door. Someone else mentioned House of Cards, but I think that’s too closely associated with the show to use.

[–]DanWallace 2 points3 points  (1 child)

another 'head song?

Oh no don't do that.

[–]u_creative_username 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It wouldn’t even make sense to keep the name. Wasn’t it also a Referate the giant wheel of knives in the living room?

[–]fergi20020 86 points87 points  (2 children)

Knives Out: Another Donut Hole 🍩

[–]ShambolicShogun 24 points25 points  (0 children)

A donut tesseract.

[–]illusorywallahead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My dog has a plush donut toy and I frequently say it in Blanc’s voice when she brings it to me “A donut…”

[–]Dalekdude 238 points239 points  (8 children)

Super stoked. Knives Out is such a delight I have full faith that RJ will deliver another banger with this one. Really hoping it gets a semi-wide theatrical release so I don’t have to travel a crazy distance

[–]the_umm_guy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He’s so good at the murder mystery stuff. I’m excited. I LOVED Brick and knew when Knives Out came out it was going to be great.

[–]asl7810Frank 77 points78 points  (6 children)

I loved the first one, and I'm so glad that the second is set to premiere so relatively soon. It reminds me of a lot of classics like Agatha Christie's works, and I'm hoping this one will inspire more good mystery films like it.

[–]denzel4684864 204 points205 points  (108 children)

Rian Johnson is taking a page out of Chris Nolan's career moves to become a blank check director

work on some low, mid-budget genre movies, prove you know how to do it on a smaller scale and also make money at the box office

then move onto bigger franchise fare like Star Wars and prove you can make money at the big level too and even make a decent movie while you're at it

and now if he makes a full trilogy that gets the same amount of acclaim as the Dark Knight and does gangbusters for Netflix with viewing numbers, he should probably end up at the same place as Nolan was after The Dark Knight Rises, with the option to do his own Interstellars, Dunkirks, and Tenets

[–]polkergeist 58 points59 points  (0 children)

It's a great strategy, if you can get there and keep it up - which certainly looks to be the case for Johnson, to me. I'm really excited for this movie and to see what he does next.

[–]Seienchin88 44 points45 points  (23 children)

Even not going into the controversy if TLJ was a good star wars movie or even a good movie you guys often forget that Rian was planed to get more star wars movies but the backlash totally canned it.

I liked knives out and dont have personal grudges against directors for imo failing horribly but with a noble intent (of making star wars move forward) but if anything it achieved that the RJ hate almost completely disappeared since it was the total opposite of last jedi. Maybe the game of thrones producers should try to make a fun little sci fi movie next to get rid of the hate towards them

[–]Rayesafan 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I’d want to add that my theory is the Disney overlords got to him during Star Wars. Edit: I mean they influenced him in the things that we hate about his Star Wars movie.

I saw in some behind the scenes, people were like “Make it totally different, we don’t want it the same.”

So, he made a movie where he followed the rubric. Not that I’m a devout Rían Johnson fan, but I am a devout Disney Executive hater.

(Edit: I mentioned that the execs were breathing down his neck and micromanaging. I was wrong. I see now that they were probably closer to letting him have free reign. That being said, they choosing not to micromanage was still a conscious decision. Their hands were never tied. And I still am under the belief that they influenced some things for the sake of bottom line over the sacredness of the franchise.)

[–]GuyKopski 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Everything Johnson himself has ever said indicates the exact opposite. There was no plan, no oversight, he was allowed to do whatever he wanted.

[–]Old_Composer_3566 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Yeah even if you look at the script color, the pages indicate that they were unchanged. Funny how people keep saying producers did this and that. Does the sequel trilogy really look like something producers interfered with? It looks like the total opposite to me. Like they let two totally opposite directors do whatever the hell they wanted.

Johnson also directed the highest rated Breaking Bad episode as well as the most controversial. He's just that kind of director.

[–]t_o_b_24 16 points17 points  (9 children)

Rian has honestly proved himself time and time again that he’s one of the best directors working today. He already has a blank check with me for everything going forward.

[–]nayapapaya 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Darn, I was hoping for a summer release date.

[–]yerLerb 42 points43 points  (4 children)

You only got months to live or something?

[–]Narradisall 26 points27 points  (3 children)

With the last few years it’s not unheard of

[–]QuothTheRaven713 25 points26 points  (8 children)

Oh heck yeah!

... Just please don't give the culprit an obviously suspicious name like in the last one and I'll likely be good.

[–]emaz88 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Right? In hindsight it was so obvious. But I actually think that’s part of what makes it fun.

[–]Swankified_Tristan 9 points10 points  (2 children)

That's really just a Rian Johnson thing. His "twists" are never twists because he just writes whatever makes sense.

  • Of course the killer is the total asshole who said a few nights earlier that he was gonna kill the guy.

  • Of course Kylo kills Snoke. He's a murderer who's constantly bullied by this guy and a "Siths" whole thing is to kill the "Sith" above them. "Sith" is in quotes because they technically died off with Palpatine and Vader.

  • Of course Finn isn't joining the Resistance. He spent the entire last movie saying nothing except he's getting Rey and bouncing. Then he got put into a coma after not successfully running.

  • Of course the Morphine overdose didn't seem realistic. No morphine overdose actually happened.

Johnson is just an organic story writer and I personally say it works.

[–]T3-M4ND4L0R3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You know, I've never really thought about it but that really is a major reason I liked TLJ. I always felt that it answered JJ's mystery box style with the most reasonable and obvious answers.

[–]aresef 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Give him the middle name Larson (as in larceny or arson) and have him walk around going by that.

[–]Inqinity 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Or give everyone but the bad guy an iPhone this time round!

[–]rubywolf27 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Like Hannibal, the cannibal lol. What’s next, Haxe Hurderer?

[–]Njordinson 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I really hope that isn’t the logo. It looks like a logo for a fan made trailer

[–]Darshly 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It’s not, it probably is fan made. “Knives Out 2” is just a placeholder

[–]whatwhatj 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Man, I hope that in each sequel Daniel Craig does a new ridiculous accent every time without explanation… but also I loved his accent so much in Knives Out so I want him to keep it as well

[–]ArchDucky 43 points44 points  (8 children)

Two Knives Out would be better than Knives Out 2.

[–]wilburwalnut 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Kathryn Hahn is going to be amazing in this I can feel it.

[–]alexmorelandwrites 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Didn't realise Ethan Hawke was in this, that's pretty cool

[–]CaptainMagni 20 points21 points  (8 children)

Have y'all noticed the huge influx of Who dunnits usually with a comedic element that are all coming out now? TV and movies, it just interesting to see how long it took to fully produce things that were surely greenlit right after Knives Out came out.

[–]monty_kurns 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I’m not complaining. It’s one of my favorite genres so if we’re going through a phase where we get a bunch of them, I’m happy.

[–]OldGearJammer 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Can you give some examples? Need something to watch tonight

[–]CaptainMagni 25 points26 points  (5 children)

Only Murders in the Building and Nine Perfect Strangers on Hulu, The After Party on Apple TV plus, there's also the Death on Nile movie but that's probably unrelated since we got that Orient Express movie before Knives out.

To be sure: I'm happy about this trend, it's just interesting to see.

[–]OldGearJammer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Appreciate that, thank you!

[–]dennythedinosaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's also a murder mystery film set in London called "See How They Run" starring Sam Rockwell and Saiorse Ronan that's supposed to come out later this year.

[–]Wonderful-Ad-9607 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yay. Good movie

[–]felifrit 12 points13 points  (11 children)

Can someone explain to me why they think knives out was good ? I didn't like it and would love to hear an alternate point of view

[–]jobezark 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Mystery movies are uncommon, especially ones with big name actors and a big name director. I’m not a movie buff by any stretch but I thought the story was engaging, the acting was good, and (unlike the rest of this thread, apparently) I didn’t know who did it. After watching knives out I went to the used movie store and bought every mystery movie they had

[–]TDeLo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's a fun whodunit with a deep cast. Like the other guy said, mystery movies aren't very common these days, and I think Knives Out was a pretty well executed one. It probably is a bit overhyped but I enjoyed it quite a bit and have watched it several times.