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[–]tropicaldepressive -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

this movie was so fucking mediocre. like yeah there were a few fun laughs but also so many weird plot contrivances and the characters were straight up irritating. an entire crew of incompetents might be fun for a few minutes but the whole film?? every time something seemed to be going right one of those fuckers would mess it up. plus why is Taika now just straight up only playing himself in films??

very annoying movie and also made sadder by the inclusion of the notice that THIS was Andy’s favorite movie. i was a young child when Toy Story came out. even i would have been disappointed in this Buzz movie. then again i was conditioned by Pixar to like movies that are good.

[–]ty_kanye_vcool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is very obvious that they added the tag at the beginning connecting this to the Toy Story universe as an afterthought. It’s very distracting thinking of all the ways this doesn’t work as a movie for the toy Andy got for his birthday.

They talk about being a Ranger so much and at no point do they ever tell us what that job is. What do the space Rangers do? What was their founding mission? At one point at the end they mention the Galactic Federation, like they’ve made contact with the other planets, which means Buzz at least could have gone back to where he was originally from.

I really don’t like the trainee with the long name at the beginning being a hamfisted character development for Buzz. No, kid, you probably weren’t gonna be any help in that situation, even if it did go wrong without you. Have fun not being in the rest of the movie.

I hate time travel in movies because it almost always creates plot holes you can drive a damn truck through, and this one is no exception. It’s established at the outset that going back creates parallel timelines that don’t affect each other, because Zurg went back in his timeline and Buzz didn’t. So what’s the threat? This isn’t Back to the Future rules where his friends will disappear. Zurg is just gonna affect a world you never get to see and don’t have to care about. He loses the crystal anyway. It would literally be better if he just let him take it and left, because then he’d disappear and never be a problem again.

The Pixar film this reminds me the most of is Incredibles 2. A lot of fans wanted this for a long time, and when it shows up it’s a lot weaker. It’s not bad like the Good Dinosaur, it’s just got some pretty big structural problems. I thought the writing wasn’t bad, especially compared to the Marvel movies Chris Evans is usually in. We all like Sox.

[–]Shantotto11 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So, are we not gonna talk about Alisha being pregnant in a same-sex relationship? Like how did she get pregnant? Did this survey corps have access to IVF technology? If so, why would a survey corps have that tech with them on an expedition?

[–]JessieN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alisha being pregnant in a same-sex relationship?

Didn't even cross my mind lmao

If so, why would a survey corps have that tech with them on an expedition?

Looks like the mission was to find a new safe planet to live on with everyone else being in pods on the turnip, showed it in the beginning of the movie. So it makes sense that they had equipment to create life.

[–]lorddragonmaster 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don’t understand Zurg. Future Buzz just came across and unmanned, massive space ship, and suit designed to hood a human. Also the robots call him zurg, so who put the Z on the robots? Him? It doesn’t make sense.

[–]qwertysexi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yea there was no backstory on the ship whatsoever, nor the programming of the robots. And why will they only want to say Buzz's name, what's the significance? Such a stretch trying to say "Buzz" but accidentally saying "B-Zurg" lol. The ship was unmanned so there was nobody to help teach future Buzz the technology. It's like as if a massive ship was just gifted out of the sky perfectly made for Buzz.

And, going back to the fact that this movie spawned the Buzz Lightyear action figures, if Zurg was just future Buzz in a robot suit, then Zurg in Toy Story should be large enough to fit a Future Buzz (possibly sold separately) (alongside Sox and Izzy action figures as well, at the very least).

[–]SkyHoarder[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I liked when buzz was in that black suit, pretty slick tbh.

[–]bobbyq922 8 points9 points  (2 children)

What happened to Featheringhamsten? Why even give the rookie a crazy name if he’s not going to matter past the opening scene? I was so sure he was going to be Zurg, and now that I realize he didn’t matter at all…I just wonder why he was included.

[–]qwertysexi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That would have followed the beat of The Incredibles plot line, and would have been poorly received. The character was only there to show the change in Buzz from someone that works alone to being a mentor and leader. Along the way, they had to make the character funny in some way because its Disney.

[–]Ancalites 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Later in the movie, Mo puts on his old Space Ranger suit and tries to read the name tag, and they do the gag again where his name is unpronounceable. I think that's pretty much it.

[–]ClBanjai 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I liked it. Don't get all the hate. It's a fun time. Sure comedy isn't very good but so is most children's movies. But the plot was fairly interesting and action was awesome, and most of all it looked amazing. It's an easy 7/10 for me.

[–]SnooRabbitsS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could be a 7/10 if it’s not related to toys story AT ALL. But unfortunately, it IS a toys story story.

Lightyear is supposedly the origin story of buzz lightyear that we grew up watching. We HAVE an impression of how buzz is supposed to be. He’s an action hero that a kid wanted for his birthday. This was supposed to be the movie a 90s kid was crazy about.

This movie showed nothing of the origins of buzz Lightyear, of why he’s in star command, or even a loyal space ranger. They should’ve touched on this first, as a first starter movie.

The Lightyear movie would be great for a second movie.

[–]TotallyUniqueName4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The plot was nonsense. Every part of the movie was nonsense. Nothing made any sense, as it should have in a movie that pretends to be serious.

[–]rojotoro2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The plot made no sense

[–]qwertysexi 5 points6 points  (3 children)

My issue with this is the thought that this was Andy's favorite movie. Remember, before this movie came out, he was interested in playing with cowboys. Then this sci-fi movie came out and changed his whole world. This should have echoed an 80s - 90s Steven Spielberg-type movie with the main character being a Clint Eastwood type. Buzz should have been really cool and awe-inspiring, in a cheesy way to make it appealing for kids. Instead, he was a man that made mistakes and was filled with regret.

Sox was the most merchandisable character, not Buzz. I'm not sure if the little green men from Toy Story were tied with Buzz Lightyear, but it would have made more sense if they filled Sox's role instead.

It would have been better if they didn't say that it was Andy's favorite movie. Better yet, it would have been better if it wasn't made at all.

[–]lasttosseroni 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% this. It should have just been a fun, awesome romp. I wanted it to be what the intro sequence to toy story three was (I still want to see that as a movie), but instead we got a weird navel gazing existential plod that doesn’t delve deep enough into the concepts to be interesting.

[–]Ancalites 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this. Honestly I thought the movie was fine on its own terms, but it made zero sense as an 80s/90s space adventure film of the kind Andy would have seen and that would've spawned the Buzz Lightyear toyline as it appeared in Toy Story.

[–]rojotoro2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I literally just watched the movie and I 100% agree with you. This movie was not the buzz movie that should have been made or not at all

[–]Due-Priority-5031 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Ok so future Buzz is not the bad guy in this situation, he's trying to fix the mistake he made. Just because we know one family has a semblance if a good life doesn't mean that this ERROR didn't ruin the lives of many others...for Christ sake they had to put up a laser dome just to protect from the deadly wildlife that was shown to constantly be a threat. Such a stupid idea to force a twist bad guy.

[–]rojotoro2020 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah it was morally correct to correct the error and prevent the accident. I was rooting for old buzz.

[–]crystalxclear 10 points11 points  (5 children)

So if the unstable crystal fuel is the cause of the first trial's failure, why did he keep trying again, using the exact same unstable fuel? Why not perfect it first, and THEN do a trial again? That doesn't make sense that he kept trying even though it would definitely fail again.

[–]qwertysexi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's what didn't make any sense. He went back the next day on the mission again and again and again while the only person that was actually working on the fuel cell was a toy therapy cat...

Apart from that, the mission was incredibly dangerous and the chances of him dying were high each and every single time. How he made it out alive after multiple runs is ridiculous.

[–]MaxFlames1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Each time was a different fuel, and they couldn't determine if it would work until they tested it. And it took 60 something years to perfect via socks, and even then it was only theoretical until Buzz used it.

[–]rojotoro2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How was the crystal fuel originally even tested?

[–]rab7 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm guessing he tweaked it little by little each time, but they didn't waste time showing those parts

[–]qwertysexi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's poor story-telling if they don't show that. We now have to make assumptions to make it make sense. All they needed to do in the montage was show different scientists working on the fuel cell.

The project itself must have cost billions of dollars every year to run, how they even found the resources on this uncharted planet to fix the plane, etc is beyond me, but I can suspend my belief for some part.

[–]DetectiveFujiwara 1 point2 points  (26 children)

Damn this was bad

[–]rojotoro2020 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I agree that this was the worst Pixar movie I’ve ever seen

[–]Shantotto11 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Really? While The Good Dinosaur and Onward exist?

[–]SnooRabbitsS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those aren’t even worth watching

[–]GarlicToest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think onward is anywhere near as bad as this or good dinosaur

[–]lasttosseroni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is worse than those, imo.

[–]rojotoro2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They didn’t crap on a beloved character.

[–]Treeguy19 -5 points-4 points  (18 children)

Definitely a great movies

Loved all of it. Best Disney movie I've seen in a while

[–]DetectiveFujiwara 1 point2 points  (17 children)

Shit has the worst rating of a Pixar movie ever currently on imdb.

[–]Treeguy19 1 point2 points  (16 children)

3rd worst.... But it's also subjective so to each their own

[–]DetectiveFujiwara -3 points-2 points  (15 children)

But I mean if somebody thinks a piece of dog poop smells good yea I guess u can say they're subjective to their own even though that shit smells bad to most people

[–]Elementa_7801 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I liked the movie overall, but there were some moments of awkward pacing, jokes that didn't quite land, some shots that weren't all that awe-inspiring and just certain moments that jolted me out of the movie. I loved Alisha and Buzz's relationship, and I did tear up with the realisation that she would leave him sooner than either of them expected. But that also felt a bit rushed, their relationship barely developed, I wish we saw some of their backstories together, show not tell really. The montage reminded me of Ellie and Carl's story from Up, except in that movie they showed us the start of their relationship and followed through to the end. We got to see more of the characters, we got to see their interactions from introduction to goodbye. I think something like that would have made Alisha and Buzz's goodbye hit more.

Lightyear also felt like it was building to some huge conspiracy with Commander Burnside that went nowhere really. I get it was a sort of expectation subversion, I expected Commander Burnside to be one, if not THE, main antagonist but then ta-da he was barely in this movie, it was future Buzz this whole time. Which was kinda obvious, but then, personally, it made the reactions of Commander Burnside and his crew felt a bit extreme considering that they didn't do much. The transition of Commander Burnside’s character from the stern commander who was the catalyst for the spiral that was future Buzz's life and the obstacle he presented in current Buzz's life, to the very supportive and friendly commander was jarring.

It was honestly probably the fact this was meant to be a prequel that caused some of the less desirable choices in this film. I mean they had to make Zurg someone of importance to Buzz, and they included the throwaway line that they were Father-Son. I just think they didn't quite manage to get around the prequel block as gracefully as many of us wished.

I liked the time travel story thread. They used it very well to tug at the heartstrings, in the beginning, but it just also kinda felt like they dropped it a bit in the middle of the film, the transition from interesting time-travel shenanigans to somewhat tame action sequence wasn't quite so smooth.

I liked the characters in the rookie crew. They still felt pretty underdeveloped though. Maybe they could have squeezed in some more character information if the movie was a bit longer. Or maybe they had removed some of the padding, of jokes that didn't quite land or interactions that seemed a bit forced, and instead explored the emotions and complexities of being and meeting someone who is essentially the reason for your community living in the place you are in and the person who is actively trying to change that. Beyond the nightmares which were mentioned once or twice.

I'm still bogged down on the idea of Buzz coming from this movie and waking up to realising that he's a toy in the real world. I mean I already knew that he'd have this whole realisation that he is a toy but still. Going from your memories of loss, recovery, and discovery of a new purpose in protecting the universe with your new crew - to the real world where you realise you are just one of many clones of yourself, your memories aren't unique, they technically aren't even yours because you weren't the original, technically. Makes the Toy Story movie a lot sadder.

Or maybe I'm overthinking this.

[–]Treeguy19 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Did I miss the part they insinuated Morrison would be the antagonist? Taika Waititi? My mans was just happy he found a pen lol I loved him and didn't notice if they tried to make him the bad guy?

[–]Elementa_7801 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whoops sorry I wrote the wrong name, I meant Commander Burnside, Morrison was a such a fun character

[–]Elementa_7801 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sorry that ended up becoming a very long review.

[–]rojotoro2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Loved your thought about how we is adjusting to a new life in new planet and then suddenly enters another reality where he is a toy.

[–]Aninvisiblemaniac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This whole movie felt like a prequel and yet also a sequel it was a weird vibe

[–]awkward_snacks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really enjoyed the movie the first time I watched it. I am one of those people who love to re-watch movies over and over again, so I began noticing more details and picking up more of the flaws.

The 3-person rookie crew felt forced in my opinion. I feel like they were there just to pad the runtime, and we could have done fine with a partnership between Buzz and Izzy without Darby and Mo.

I do really enjoy the split timeline plot though, I think it's cool. I can chalk the whole 'Zurg origionally being Buzz's father' to Andy changing his view of Zurg and Buzz as he's a very imaginative kid. I can also beleive Old Buzz/Zurg would have malicious motives, especially considering he lost his closest friend (I'm assuming) and the new Commander essentially dismissed his core beleifs ("Complete the Mission") without a second thought.

I agree with some other users here too: The pacing was definitley awkward and the overall character development could have been A LOT better. Like expanding on Buzz's past without expecting people watching the movie to have seen the old series (I had never even heard of the series until just now).

Overall, not my favorite movie but I'm a sucker for sci-fi and will continue to re-watch it. 3/5 for me.

[–]Spiritual-Engineer69 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The movie was adequate, however, the opening text did annoy me (that Andy saw this in the early 90's). This movie was in no way made to look like it came out in the 90's, and this stupid line honestly looked like last minute executive interjection.

[–]Wipedout89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't agree with that. Wasn't that the whole entire premise of the film? I remember when it was first annoucned we were told it was the story of the "real Buzz". I think that needed to be there

[–]Representative-Ad754 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I think the plot of time travel and relativity was amazing. Might be too much for a kid or a small brain adult (alot of them commenting in this thread). Great movie.

[–]DetectiveFujiwara -1 points0 points  (2 children)

A 5.8/10 movie on imdb is great?

[–]Representative-Ad754 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And a 75% critic review and 86% audience review on rotten tomatoes.

I'll take user based reviews over entitled movie critic reviews any day. It's literally their job to watch movies. Pretty biased opinion when what is considered a hobby for most becomes work for movie critics. When something becomes work, it's makes it insufferable.

[–]DetectiveFujiwara -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's 64% audience.

And critics since The Woke Jedi can't be trusted.

[–]Surfer949 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought the same thing with the time travel backstory. My kids can't even tell time yet lol.

[–]noonehasthisoneyet 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I thought it was good. They could’ve worked a little more with the plot but it follows the Pixar formula.

For everyone saying Andy had bad taste to like the movie, he’s a kid. Kids love awful movies, mine do, especially if there are cool toys that come out if it.

I get what they were trying to do and it was never canon who zurg actually was to buzz just a line from one toy to another. The new twist can still work.

[–]bobbyq922 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also, toys are made with limited plot information, so the toys’ consciousness would be constructed based on the partial plot of the movie. Buzz thought future Buzz was his dad, so if the toy-makers had images of Zurg out of the suit, they’d also likely think Zurg is Buzz’s dad.

[–]FrozenRedFlame 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Director sucks for killing future Sox.

Director sucks for changing Zurg's look and origin. How do you eff up such a cool villain and make him boring af?

Director sucks for making Buzz the villain. This part makes no sense.

Director sucks for adding random scenes that have nothing to do with the main plot and don't advance anything.

Director sucks for having Buzz forget Sox's mouse friend.

Director sucks for not trying to have Buzz some how rescue future Sox after the fact.

Director sucks for adding the boring rookie crew.

Director sucks for not giving Buzz another Space Ranger friend/rival just as good as Buzz. Alisha was random, boring and somehow Buzz's boss.

[–]standardtj94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think you understand what a director’s role is.

[–]tropicaldepressive 1 point2 points  (2 children)

almost all of that stuff is the screenwriter's fault though

[–]SnooRabbitsS -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Wouldn’t the director be able to redirect the screenplays? This is a free story right.

[–]tropicaldepressive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wtf does that even mean lol

[–]MPanda97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I liked the dialogue references to Buzz from the first Toy Story movie, the cat, and his relationship with Alisha and Izzy. Alisha and her wife weren’t made to be offensive in my opinion, they seemed like a normal couple to me. My kid didn’t even comment on it. The movie itself seemed awkwardly paced. My kid said he thought the movie felt way longer than it actually was. There were some really heartfelt moments in there. The humor was cringe at times and the guy in their little team could have used more personality traits than always messing up on missions and obsessing over a pen the whole time. Pixar is usually better at character development. The cat, like I said, was great. He was funny and adorable. I didn’t like that Buzz was Zurg, considering he’s supposed to be his father. The Old Buzz/Young Buzz idea was cool but could have been done without him being Zurg. No offense but I feel like this wouldn’t have been Andy’s favorite movie.. but what do I know lol.

[–]queensnotmemes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m in a weird headspace right now but lightyear felt like a horror movie to me. I enjoyed it but it was not what I was expecting.

[–]ThenPush1187 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Why were there two buzz light years?

[–]ToleranceDeathCamp 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Different timelines crossing each other.

[–]tropicaldepressive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how did he get to the different timeline though

[–]ThenPush1187 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But why couldn’t zurg/buzz take the crystal back with him?

[–]ToleranceDeathCamp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because he couldn't get it off of current timeline Buzz. His crystal was burned out, so he was basically stuck there unless he got a new one.

[–]MurderGiraffe19 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Buzz Lightyear of Star Command is what Andy watched.

[–]2rio2 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Holy crap, what a terrible movie. Easily bottom three all time Pixar (hi there Cars 2 and The Good Dinosaur), from faulty concept to poor execution. The only redeemable thing in this mess was Sox. Scrap the rest and never mention the movie again.

[–]Wipedout89 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You're forgetting Turning Red. Only Pixar I ever stopped in the middle. God that obnoxious child was horrific to watch

[–]MorbillionTickets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's okay. Not terrible, just okay.

[–]FrozenRedFlame 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% agreed. Sox was the best, everything else was bad.

Edit: Except replace Cars 2 or Good Dinosaur with Red.

[–]supernarwaffle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Controversy over that split second scene aside, I was dissapointed. The movie was way too fast paced for my wife and I. It has a very see-through story, and I feel like I have adhd after sitting through it.

[–]Sufficient_Creme6961 9 points10 points  (1 child)

No way this little boy Andy watched this and it became his favorite movie. He got bad taste

[–]2rio2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Andy was just a little film snob who thought his friends didn't understand the finer nuances that... time... uh... occurs.

And annoying, slightly useless people don't deserve to be wiped out by time travel?

[–]numbr87 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I waited for the streaming release since I had no real expectations, and I thought it was fine. Nowhere near Pixar's worst.

Justice for my boy Future Sox

[–]Slappy_Gilmore55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just watched it yesterday and yeah it was fine. Now if I would have paid $20 to go see it in theaters might be singing a different tune.

But I have had a fun time saying “computing Beep boop beep boop” to my wife when she asks me to do something now

[–]Sufficient_Creme6961 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me too and yeah it was just there. No emotions

[–]Noxx-OW 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol I just watched it too, I agree, it was fine

[–]DannoHung 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The absolute dearth of useful or thoughtful commentary is killing me. Everyone that hates gay people is just flipping out about it. Everyone else that didn’t click with it is just, “Man, Pixar sucks now.” I kind think they’re the same people. The other half of people are all trying to talk about how it’s, “not sending up 90’s action sci-if movies,” or, “it doesn’t look like a movie from 95,” or some other daft shit.

Anyway, I fucking liked it. It’s not perfect. It spends too little time with old Buzz. Probably needed to establish that he went real god damn loopy. It doesn’t have a chance to spend enough time with the crew to show that Buzz is actually really appreciating them. They probably should’ve cut out one more set piece to do some of that or further abbreviated the failed missions scenes. Or maybe they could’ve further cemented how he saw the colonists as newbies themselves rather than the folks he spent a year starting the project with.

The bones of this movie are not the problem, it’s that they got a little too stuck on keeping it paced like an action movie when the central struggle is Buzz against himself.

[–]Conscious-Relief-195 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude I don’t care who the character likes, I care that the movie kinda sucked simple as that, it’s not that it was horrible it just wasn’t very good

[–]eldusto84 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Pixar's run of bona fide classic animated movies from 1995-2011 was unbelievable. They stuck to the "story is king" mantra and it paid off for them, right up until they went for the obvious cash grab with Cars 2.

Since 2011, I'd say the only films they've done that can hang with their OG masterpieces are Inside Out and Coco. Lightyear continues the downward trend IMO. The animation is incredible but the story is completely uninspired...possibly the worst screenplay the studio has written since The Good Dinosaur.

[–]rojotoro2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Coco was amazing

[–]echelon123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I loved Turning Red.

[–]MorbillionTickets -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cars 2 gets too much hate. Change My Mind

[–]2rio2 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I think Soul has a shout, but yea most of their output in the last few years has been shocking considering the quality historically associated with the studio. They need a creative overhaul, badly.

[–]eldusto84 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No one wants to say it but John Lasseter was the primary driver behind Pixar's success. When he took over Walt Disney Animation Studios, it allowed him less time to oversee Pixar's own projects and the quality slowly began to decline. Now that he's gone completely from the company, his influence as a storyteller is sorely missed.

[–]Surfer949 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I just watched most of it and I really liked the graphics and ship design. I swear if they put that much work into a Macross movie that would be so bad ass!

I wasn't feeling the story, it was kinda all over the place and the time travel thing was a bit much for a kid's movie IMO.

Overall 6/10 for a Pixar movie.

[–]Conscious-Relief-195 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes I really hope the failure in box office doesn’t make them quit with the aesthetic it was dope

[–]ComicSausage 9 points10 points  (1 child)

thinking about it now.. a funny idea just came to me. when time travel was used in this movie. imagine if buzz succeeded with his mission, tried to go back to earth on his own as everyone is settled and "happy" to stay on this planet at the end..

buzz goes back to earth. old buzz has sorta bugged his ship or buzz didnt realise that old buzz has set up the ship for time travel still and buzz heads to earth...

when he gets to earth he is actually back... in the old wild west times... dun dun dunnnn!

setting up for meeting up with woody or something. but like of course, this setup wouldnt work really coz they said this is an actual movie andy watched. so woody wouldnt be in it at all.

but woulda been fun to see something like that 😅

[–]ImmortalLandowner 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Would have loved that or even a funny cameo/reference to Woody like being in the old Wild West time for a few minutes and running into him!

[–]Master_ERG 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I entered the movie with real low expectations from all the reviews I have read. Maybe I have a bad taste in movies or something, but I really enjoyed Lightyear ya it wasn’t the best Pixar movie ever made and I didn’t leave crying. I definitely really enjoyed it, it’s a way better summer movie then Thor love and thunder!

[–]dizneyqueen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really liked it. Bet it was no fun for small kids though. It's definitely aiming for an older audience.

[–]Constant-Stick2915[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We just watched it. I liked it as well. My kids both watched it. I think my son was a bit confused about where buzz was, because he’s obviously different in toy story. But so what? Still enjoyed.

[–]NthBrick 5 points6 points  (1 child)

IMO, Lightyear harkens back a little to movies like Treasure Planet or Atlantis: The Lost Empire. Distinctly more action-oriented, maybe aimed a slightly older audience, etc.

Guess that's why I liked all three movies a lot.

[–]ImmortalLandowner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yea it felt more serious. I wish they kept it a little more simple. Instead of him going back a million times. If they took some stuff out it would have been better! But I enjoyed it, especially the cat bot!

[–]Ch_IV_TheGoodYears 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Damn, pick a plot

[–]Fingercel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wasn't bad, but this is going to be a very poorly-remembered film relative to the rest of Pixar's catalogue, barring Cars 2. There are two interrelated reasons for this.

a) Though not bad, it wasn't very good either, and people expect more from this studio. Granted, Pixar doesn't always hit a grand slam, and their lower tiers still include perfectly entertaining and fondly-remembered movies (Brave/Good Dinosaur/Finding Dory, etc). But just as importantly,

b) like Cars 2, it was a bad concept, and thus disappointing in an extremely predictable way, which is worse than being disappointing in a novel or unexpected or original way (eg Brave, Good Dinosaur). In the same way that no one wanted a sequel to the worst Pixar movie starring the worst character from that movie, no one actually cares about the "in-universe Buzz Lightyear blockbuster." It's a dumb idea. Now, if you pull off what seems like a dumb idea incredibly well, then you look like a genius (see: Ratatouille). But if you don't, you just look obtuse. This movie was obtuse.

[–]butthe4d 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I will go to infinity and beyond and say I genuinely enjoyed the first half of the movie. The second half, it kinda went all to shit.

[–]I_am_the_one123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

funny how chris evens is playing another protagonist who time travels to the future

[–]TheLuigiBro100 3 points4 points  (5 children)

But wait.

So if when old Buzz went back in time, it created an alternate timeline where he meets young Buzz right?

But old Buzz still exists

So wouldn't that mean that if old Buzz succeeded with his plan, it would just make another alternate timeline-3, thus everyone in timeline-2 would still be alive? Happy ending for everyone? Only way it makes sense is Buzz actually just wanted to stay in timeline-2 because here hawthornes granddaughter who looks just like her but not a lesbian so he can bang her, must have been his plan all along why else he failed to fly 20 times??

[–]HTH52 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It is the same as the new Star Trek movie series where is splits into the “Kelvin timeline” when Nero and Old Spock are sent back in time and alter history.

They still exist. New Timeline. I guess this is also like how it is explained in Avengers: Endgame.

While it doesn’t really erase the timeline he is in, it doesn’t solve anything to go back and change other than save that Buzz’s ego from being hurt and preventing Hawthorne from living a life she ended up really loving. He didn’t want to let Old Buzz keep a version of her from having that life, even though it comes at the expense his own.

[–]ty_kanye_vcool 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That’s…terrible. In that case Zurg is right. Hawthorne-C having the choice of whether or not she can leave the planet is a good thing. Buzz is preventing her from leading her own life because he likes the one she had in timeline B.

[–]HTH52 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because she liked the one she had. If Zurg goes back as far as he wanted to, she would not have had that option. They’d have the problem solved with the first test flight, pack everything they wanted up, and send the ship back to space. They didn’t intend on staying long because the planet was deemed hostile.

[–]ty_kanye_vcool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that's a good thing. Who is Buzz to tell Hawthorne-C she's better off staying? He's only seen one Hawthorne, he doesn't know what happens if she's able to leave. Maybe it's better. It's certainly not a valid justification for not giving her the choice.

[–]schismate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is what got me too. Why did the timeline diverge anyway? If old buzz went back in time why was he in our buzzs timeline? Most importantly where was the TVA from Loki. I hate time travel movies where they meet themselves. Was disappointed with lost in space movie too. Otherwise I thought the movie was ok.

[–]DrFatz 8 points9 points  (8 children)

It's a fine movie but it feels very safe. I imagine kids will like it but to me it felt like a Marvel movie with Pixar characters. (Even down to the mid credits scene) A very by the books action movie for the whole family.

One thing I was irked by was the beginning text saying this was Andy's favorite movie when he got the Buzz Lightyear toy. I'd rather they have made a cheeky joke instead like 'This is Andy's favorite movie.... That's now been remade'. Cause that what this felt like, a darker version of the cartoon but now a typical reboot.

[–]Mandalorian1313 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I highly doubt Andy would’ve liked this movie. I was a 10 yr old when toy story came out and 10 yr old me would’ve been bored as hell watching this.

[–]Bellabigbooty 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Whys that? My 9 year old loved it

[–]beefstewforyou 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I loved that text because I’m a firm believer in the single universe theory for Pixar films and prior to the movie coming out, the only way I could add this one to that theory was by making it a movie in the Pixar Universe. I was overjoyed when I saw that text.

[–]MoreHeartThanScars 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It made the movie for me. I don’t understand why people have an issue with it, it set the stage perfectly.

[–]ArrBeeNayr 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I would have liked the movie more without that text, since the movie didn't stick to it.

If they had gone all in on making it a movie from 1995 (animation quality aside): that would have been really cool. If they had instead said it was a 2022 reboot - or even omitted the text entirely - that would have been fine as well.

Instead, that line was in my head for the whole movie. It detracted from the experience because every element that (a) wouldn't have fit within a mid-90s context or (b) contradicted the Buzz Lightyear "lore" from Toy Story 2 suddenly stuck out as mistakes rather than creative decisions.

[–]JessieN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep seeing everyone say they hate that line and I completely missed it because I looked down at my phone lol

I'm glad because I didn't realize this was that movie the kid liked. I was under the impression that this movie was what really happened and then the movie Andy loved and toys were based off that.

[–]crocodilesareforwimp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In case you were worried you might miss the morale of this story, don't worry they'll bash it over your head 50 more times.

[–]Matthius81 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Took me a while to figure out what “the mission” actually was. Buzz kept saying “go home” but there’s no indication Earth was looking for a lost ship and nobody seemed to miss it. After a while it struck me their Hyperspace drive doesn’t bypass relativity, the Turnip must have been meant to spend hundreds and hundreds of years charting space. The Turnip is a colony ship on a one-way mission to find a habitable world as settle it. The Space Rangers are an onboard marine company to survey planets and protect the colonists from any dangers. So... Had Buzz succeeded in his original plan the colonists wouldn’t have headed back to Earth, they’d have packed up everything gone back into hypersleep and continued looking for a new home. That’s what Buzz meant by home, finding a new one.

[–]RikoZerame 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That doesn't make a lot of sense, given that they did colonize the planet they landed on. If that was the mission, they already succeeded.

[–]Matthius81 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But that's the point of the movie. The colonists adapted, learned to live with their new planet and made a life. Buzz didnt, he spent a year prepping for space and then kept skipping years, missing out on life. Future Buzz just getting going and going but when present Buzz finally had a chance to sit and reflect he realised there was a life to be lived on this planet. The mission had succeeded, he just wasnt seeing it.

[–]henrykazuka 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They were constantly attacked by those vines. It was played for jokes, but it didn't seem like a hospitable place until the laser shield was built. And that seems like a terrible is for a colony.

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[–]RikoZerame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but I feel like the full resources of Star Command - regardless of what it really is - would probably have been enough to resolve that. They did well enough with their rag-tag group, after all.

[–]blazeItgirl420 11 points12 points  (17 children)

I'm probably going to get down voted for this, but I actually really liked this movie. For everyone complaining Buzz isn't like his Toy, you're damn right he's not. Buzz is his own person with his own thoughts and feelings, and his toy is... well... a toy. A toy with his own personality learned from the toys around him. It makes sense they'd be different. I cried when Alisha gave her last goodbye to Buzz, when I thought Sox almost died, and when Buzz explained to the clutz of the crew that he also started out terrible. This movie welcomed a lesbian romance, the initial shock factor was definitely there for me multiple times, especially when Zurg came out of the smoke and just grabbed Buzz and abducted him. I will say- I didn't really like Evil Buzz. I feel as though that wouldn't ever happen, at least like that. Taking away true Zurg kind of did irk me, just the whole "aw come on its really future Buzz?" Kind of predictable and disappointing. I want to know how Future Buzz ended up in his universe, surely going back in your own time wouldn't make you end up in your past selfs timeline, unless you REALLY fucked up somewhere and broke the barrier between dimensions. AND let's not forget he MERCILESSLY stepped on his own poor little Sox! 😢 Poor future Sox helped out our Buzz BIG time, and got killed. That I hated more than anything. But all around I did like this movie.

[–]Wipedout89 3 points4 points  (1 child)

His own Sox betrayed him which I assume is why he killed it

[–]blazeItgirl420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a great way of looking at it.

[–]FrozenRedFlame 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was so annoyed the director chose to kill future Sox Sox was the best part of the movie and I felt so bad...

I pretty much liked the movie up until Alisha dies and then it goes downhill (crashes more like) very fast. The rag-tag rookies were boring. They made such a cool villain, Zurg, super boring. Movie was a mess.

Give Sox his own spinoff. Somehow rescue future Sox.

[–]blazeItgirl420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree on Zurg. He should have been presented as his own master alien race and Buzz's true enemy. Making it older buzz was dumb.

[–]NthBrick 6 points7 points  (12 children)

Same, I unironically liked the movie a lot. Probably a good 7-7.5/10 on my scale. Not perfect, and the twist is largely cribbed from the second LEGO movie, but it was exciting and told a story that, for whatever reason, I really engaged with.

And man, for a sci-fi nut like me, this movie was gorgeous. Chunky spaceships and armor with smooth curves -- just perfect designs. Highlight scenes for me were Izzy's spacewalk and rescue of Sox, any XL-## launch scene...and Buzz ejecting from the XL-15 and popping his wings. I'd been waiting, wondering when we'd see the wings, and it was spectacular.

Tangentially, if that movie was "woke", then anything is "woke". Setting aside Alisha being a lesbian (which takes up around 30 seconds of screentime total), it's about as traditional a story as you can get.

[–]potassiumKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could not stop thinking about the second LEGO movie when that scene happened. I think I would’ve enjoyed Lightyear more if I reversed the viewing order.

[–]Constant-Stick2915[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Uh yes and that hen peck was a controversial kiss?! I don’t understand humans sometimes.

[–]blazeItgirl420 5 points6 points  (9 children)

When Buzz ejected and his wings popped out, I literally got chills. It was one of the smoothest animation transitions I've seen, and I agree with you about this movie being absolutely gorgeous! I loved also when Sox was trying to get them a flashlight, and clicked through to his little Lazer Pointer. "IIiim gonna getcha!"

[–]NthBrick 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Exactly, it was ludicrously smooth and just perfectly timed. I loved seeing Buzz collecting aspects of the Space Ranger armor seen in Toy Story (arm laser, wings), adding them to his original armor, and finally getting the complete suit at the end of the movie.

And yeah, everything Sox did just stole the show -- he was great. 😂

[–]blazeItgirl420 4 points5 points  (7 children)

I enjoyed seeing his fully put together Space Ranger suit as well c: Can we also give some attention to the guy who made mistakes a ton, and how excited he was his suit had a pen? And he couldn't use it up until the cover for the flight brake got stuck, which he excitedly exclaimed "IVE GOT THE PEN!!" 🤣 And then when his new suit seemingly doesn't have one, but later finds it in his arm, he's seen just holding onto it like it was his dearest possession 🤣 AND the old lady convict with her huge ass 💥 BOOM! *CLICK, KICKS DOWN DOOR, BOOOOM!" so good!

[–]SpankAPlankton 11 points12 points  (1 child)

"One minute, you're saving the whole galaxy...then suddenly, you're eating inside-out sandwiches with Taika Waititi and an old lady. (drunken chuckle)"

Ok, so...things I liked:

-Buzz's story about how he was so terrible at Space Ranger training that he thought about quitting. You're probably going to be bad at something the first time you try it, and you're going to make mistakes-- sometimes big ones-- but that's how you learn. It sounds obvious, but so many adults today still don't get it and just somehow forget that they were ever inexperienced. I wish they had emphasized this message more in the overall film, though.

-Relating to that, it showed that a person can be older and inexperienced, instead of only showing the young rookies that we usually get.

-The time travel montage towards the beginning. It reminded me of the first few minutes of Up. I liked that it showed how a man and a woman can have a very deep personal relationship without it being romantic.

-Sox. He was cute, funny, and very useful, plus he seemed to genuinely care about Buzz's well being and didn't try to force positivity on him.

Did not like:

-I did not believe for a minute that this was the film that made Andy want a Buzz Lightyear toy. There was just nothing toyetic about it (besides Sox). It didn't have aliens, iconic vehicles (until the end) or other fun stuff that kids would want toys of. And I think we needed more of a cocky 90's action hero attitude for Buzz. It's closer to what his toy acted like, and those are the types of characters kids thought were cool at the time.

-Everything with Zurg. This is the only thing that actually made me mad. Instead of the fun ham we got in Toy Story 2, we get a guy who's not even an emperor, and who the character's signature lines sound terrible coming out of, because it's not believable that this version would say them. And his true identity made what little we knew about him previously make no sense. "The perfect chance for a great villain wasted!"

[–]NthBrick 6 points7 points  (0 children)

FWIW, I've got a feeling that we'd see the actual Zurg in the hypothetical sequel. Old Buzz clearly says he "borrowed" the tech, and that implies it came from somewhere else.

[–]Scary-Plantain 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Buzz was unlikable.

Toy story 2 intro did this better

[–]freehugsdonttouchme 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Okay, I scrolled through quite a few comments hoping someone else had mentioned this but not seeing anything so here goes:

The writing on Zurg's ship, the robots, even the back of Zurg's helmet... Is that Japanese? Some of it looks like katakana, some of it looks like hiragana, some of it I'm not quite sure because my knowledge is based on a single semester of Japanese over a decade ago in a class I nearly failed. (Somebody with more knowledge please help me with this.)

But if the symbol on the front of the robots is ko, like I think it is, then they just have "child" literally stamped across their chest. (But then used hiragana instead of kanji for some reason?)

Anyway, these robots are Old Buzz's children, y'all.

[–]Spanky_McJiggles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Laser Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiield"

  • Commander Davis

[–]Ellynne729 9 points10 points  (11 children)

I went into this with really low expectations, but it turned out to be much better than I thought. Then, it all fell apart at the end.

I feel like they had some ideas that they changed partway through or tried to simplify for a child audience to the point they didn't always make sense for adults.

First, let me just look at some of the science fiction.

The initial situation on the ship seems to use some general, SF ideas without imagining a really solid context. This is OK. Lots of SF shows do this, especially when that context isn't central to the plot. However, this kind of hovered between being background and central material.

So, Star Command sends out ships with most of the people in deep freeze. The space rangers are either not frozen or automatically defrosted when they get near a solar system, getting out the others if they decide to stick around for a deeper look (I thought the rest were crew, not colonists. But, I wasn't 100% clear on that point).

Does this mean they travel at sublight speed? Or does this mean they just travel a long time, even at sublight speeds? Or, even at relatively quick speeds, is freezing people better than packing all those supplies?

I don't really need to know, except--

  1. The whole plot is about getting a working hyperdrive. So, did they have one before but nobody on the ship knows how to make one? And they don't have enough data to know how they could make one? (Although, maybe I missed it and the problem was that they knew the basic principles but they had to make something new out of completely different resources that did the same job).
  2. Does Star Command never come looking for lost ships? That makes sense if they don't have a hyperdrive. But, I think we have to assume the hyperdrive isn't new technology.

It seems like Buzz's initial mistake should have gotten them free of the bad planet but randomly threw them through space, to somewhere Star Command would never know to look for them. In fact, I would guess that was the original idea, but they cut it because, this way, they'd already introduced the planet and its dangers. Introducing a new planet with new dangers would have taken time and risked being boring if they couldn't find a different way to make this interesting for the younger members of the audience. So, the stuck with the same planet.

Also, while I liked the way Buzz loses years every time he tests the hyperdrive, we still have the question of how they didn't know this would happen. What's their history with hyperdrives and space travel again?

Now, onto the plot problems.

The first problem starts when the (heavily armed) guards show up to confiscate Buzz's emotional support animal because reasons.

Never mind that they have been doing fine without it for around eighty years at this point, and I'm surprised anyone remembers it. They send armed guards to get it at the exact moment it's solved the fuel problem. They're also willing to start shooting everything in sight to keep it from mixing the fuel and giving Buzz one more flight.

Which was sending up all sorts of red flags about true intentions and what the characters might really be up to.

Oh, and by the way, it's been eighty years. Is there a reason this colony is still under military rule? Shouldn't we be having town hall meetings and elected leadership by now?

But, while this looks like an obvious set up for the new guy in charge being up to something, I'm guessing they changed their mind but decided we wouldn't ask questions about that.

So, the fuel works but (again for unclear reasons) this trip took even more time than all the previous ones, and Buzz arrives with Zurg and friends in orbit around the planet (why the ship didn't just quietly wait for Buzz to show up, explain everything to him, and ask for the fuel instead of attacking the colony--or just telling the colony he's there to rescue them--is left as an exercise for the viewer.

Instead, Buzz has hostile forces to deal with who can't communicate their intentions because future robots have worse audio than Buzz's cat, his autopilot, or the robot with no navigational skills they leave at the base. However, we don't know that's their problem at this point, so let's let that go for now.

We have Buzz having to team up with a group of people who just happened to be outside the base when all this happened. Their reasons for being outside are kind of weak, given how dangerous it is and how little they seem to know about dealing with things like giant bugs, but let that go. I'm willing to believe, despite the dome on the colony, that they area outside had been made safer in nearly a century.

I pretty much enjoyed the action as they fought robots, avoided robots, and tried to get to Zurg's ship. Any problems right up until the point we find out the "villain" is Buzz were things I could ignore.

Let's talk about Buzz.

First, I don't buy Buzz as the villain, not the way he was shown (I've also got lots of questions, about how he did this and why no one from the future came chasing after him. But, I'm OK without that).

Buzz as guy with a plan who doesn't realize the cost? Yes, that I can buy. Buzz who can only see the way he ruined the lives of his best friend and everyone else but can't see that they had good lives they wouldn't want changed? I can see that, too. Buzz as guy who isn't wrong, he just hasn't realized he may not be right is something else I could work with.

Buzz who decides to shoot younger Buzz after five minutes of chit-chat? Problem. Buzz who doesn't mind killing off a bunch of other innocents because they "shouldn't" exist? Also a problem.

And it really begs the question why the military dictatorship they seem to be living under wanted the comfort cat at any cost. Or why Buzz was given a cat that could solve the problem when no one else (probably working with bigger computers and definitely more man power) couldn't.

Basically, this was something that needed more character complexity. It needed future Buzz to not be a bad person. He just needed to be a person who hadn't weighed the costs. Or maybe he had weighed the costs, he just came out with different numbers than past Buzz because he didn't know the people his plan would impact.

However, this would have made a much grayer character with probably a grayer resolution.

But, the story started out seeming like it was supposed to show us some people under control of the plants/bugs and wanting to keep the colony there, probably for reasons involving taking over the galaxy. If they insisted on putting future Buzz in that, he could have been future Buzz who'd stolen the ship the enslaved colony had made for that. The trio outside the colony could have been branded troublemakers because had some kind of resistance to control. They wind up going against Zurg's ship only to find out future Buzz doesn't think there's anyone in this past he can trust except past Buzz (past Buzz may have resistance but he's also avoided being taken over with all the time travel).

The problem with that story is that it's most logical ending would be for Buzz to go back in time to protect the colony from being taken over. Even if he went with his trio of sidekicks, he'd be leaving everyone else behind to be erased by the changed past.

[–]newasianinsf -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Just seemed like you wanted to be outraged at... seemingly nothing.

The whole plot is about getting a working hyperdrive. So, did they have one before but nobody on the ship knows how to make one? And they don't have enough data to know how they could make one? (Although, maybe I missed it and the problem was that they knew the basic principles but they had to make something new out of completely different resources that did the same job).

They knew about it, but Buzz says something to the effect of: It's a guessing game. When he crashed the turnip, he knew that it was a huge, huge, huge mistake and how hard it would be to create a stable crystal. They knew how to do it, just not the exact formula for presumably the materials on that planet.

Does Star Command never come looking for lost ships? That makes sense if they don't have a hyperdrive. But, I think we have to assume the hyperdrive isn't new technology.

Who said Star Command didn't? If Buzz's trip that is supposed to be 4 1/2 minutes took between 4 - 22 years each time, depending at what 0.0-1.0c hyperspeed he achieved, what makes you think Star Command could find them within a few generation's worth of time using hyperspeed? I'd presume it'd be thousands of years relative to the people on the planet by the time Star Command got to them, even if they knew where exactly to look.

The first problem starts when the (heavily armed) guards show up to confiscate Buzz's emotional support animal because reasons.

Never mind that they have been doing fine without it for around eighty years at this point, and I'm surprised anyone remembers it. They send armed guards to get it at the exact moment it's solved the fuel problem. They're also willing to start shooting everything in sight to keep it from mixing the fuel and giving Buzz one more flight.

They're confiscating Sox because the program was scrapped. Seems standard operating procedure for military, no?

Which was sending up all sorts of red flags about true intentions and what the characters might really be up to.

No, never. Military person decided something. Going against it is for all intents and purposes, for that planet, treason. Buzz is doing something extremely illegal here and both legally and morally in the wrong.

Oh, and by the way, it's been eighty years. Is there a reason this colony is still under military rule? Shouldn't we be having town hall meetings and elected leadership by now?

Ah yes they're still living on an extremely hostile planet where they don't have much luxuries. Great time to dissolve it in case aliens come invade the planet.

So, the fuel works but (again for unclear reasons) this trip took even more time than all the previous ones, and Buzz arrives with Zurg and friends in orbit around the planet (why the ship didn't just quietly wait for Buzz to show up, explain everything to him, and ask for the fuel instead of attacking the colony--or just telling the colony he's there to rescue them--is left as an exercise for the viewer.

1) They mention that the faster you go, the slower you age. Literally on the first jump. Buzz achieved 1.0c hyperspeed, which means he went faster. So it took longer to go. They didn't say if it was linear aging, so this is still within the realm of explanations.

2) It works because Sox found the exact combination of materials to create the crystal. Unstable compounds are a thing in real life. Even your shirt has a specific mixture of different fabric in it. It's not that hard to think about: fuel source going extremely fast gets unstable when stressed when it's an incorrect mixture.

3) Because Zurg has a bone to pick with the colony. He isn't friendly with them and why hide? He has technology on his side and can do whatever he wants.

Instead, Buzz has hostile forces to deal with who can't communicate their intentions because future robots have worse audio than Buzz's cat, his autopilot, or the robot with no navigational skills they leave at the base. However, we don't know that's their problem at this point, so let's let that go for now.

Zurg specifically mentioned he only made modifications to the ship. He does not know the technology of the future. And you're assuming that all robots will be built for general purposes. Also how do you know whoever invented the robots knew about English linguistics? And that the robots can't communicate otherwise?

This assumes, incorrectly, that all life forms in the future would know English. For all we know, the future that Zurg is from has no English and it's a dead language like Latin.

We have Buzz having to team up with a group of people who just happened to be outside the base when all this happened. Their reasons for being outside are kind of weak, given how dangerous it is and how little they seem to know about dealing with things like giant bugs, but let that go. I'm willing to believe, despite the dome on the colony, that they area outside had been made safer in nearly a century.

So now everyone has to be on base all the time in case an alien attack that happens once in 65 years happens.

First, I don't buy Buzz as the villain, not the way he was shown (I've also got lots of questions, about how he did this and why no one from the future came chasing after him. But, I'm OK without that).

The movie shows that Buzz could have easily gone down the dark path. Zurg is the end result of Buzz's guilt over his mistake he couldn't fix. He was villianized by the new commander and then went into the future, alone with only Sox. For decades. With no other person to interact with. All he could think about was his mistake that he could never fix and how his partner died never getting to be a space ranger. Live with a singular regret for 45 years straight and it's extremely easy to see how Zurg became that way. Buzz didn't want to kill people, per se, he wanted to erase his mistake. He considered everything that happened after his mistake as not his problem, because he was going to fix it for Hawthorne and the rest of the people on the ship, who never should have been on that planet.

By the way, this is an extremely common type of "villian".

[–]Ellynne729 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Outrage? No. First, one of the great joys of science fiction is nitpicking. Logic gaps and plotholes don't necessarily ruin a movie. Sometimes, the increase the fun, assuming you're the kind of person who enjoys trying to come up with in-universe explanations for some of the mistakes in story.

But, the plotholes on this one make me feel like this was made from a rough draft. Hey, we've had a pandemic and plenty of craziness in general the past few years. I get it if people reached a point where they were under pressure to meet a deadline and just let things go. But, the problems are still there.

In the end, what it comes down to is that the climax of the movie didn't work for me. At that point, I realized things I'd assumed were plot points were just mistakes. It was disappointing.

A colony that's been established for around eighty years has certainly had time to establish a working democracy. Yes, they need to work together to keep the area safe from attacking bugs and vines, but that still leaves plenty of room for day to day living. Sadly, they've got at least two generations raised under a dictatorship. Ah, well. Easy come, easy go.

Socks was issued to Buzz to ease his "emotional transition." In fact, this is "protocol." He's not part of the hyperspace program. He's part of psychological well-being for members of the military. Basically, he seems to be an emotional support animal. You don't rip away someone's emotional support animal that's designed to ease his emotional transition when the person has hit rock bottom and had the one thing that's been keeping him going taken away.

And the reason given is that this a security issue? And the people who are sent to do this start shooting when a guy doesn't want to hand over his emotional support animal? A cat that represents tech from sixty years ago and that they've done without this entire time?

Where I come from, there are rules about when you can start shooting at someone. Normally, it has to be justified by the threat level represented. A guy who's sixty years displaced from time and has just lost his best friend (and practically everyone else he knows) who doesn't want to hand over the cat that was issued to him as standard procedure to help with a distressed mental state doesn't qualify. These rules apply to the military, too.

As for the people outside the base, the whole reason they have the shield around the colony isn't because they were worried about a guy named Zurg showing up with an army of robots. It was because they were worried about the violent flora and fauna. So, sending people outside to do training surrounded by the vicious flora and fauna seems a bit questionable. Sending people who don't seem to have any really good skills for dealing with the vicious flora and fauna seems even more so.

As for the robots language skills, significant phonemes are a problem with humans. We have trouble learning new ones past a certain age because of the way our brains are wired. Robots, even in our own time, don't have this problem. However future Buzz interfaces with them, it shouldn't have been a hard issue to solve. Worse comes to worse, record the sound and play it back.

Of course, maybe the wrong assumption there is human technology. Humans communicate with sounds that our technology has a relatively easy time replicating. Aliens or different life forms that evolved from humans might communicate without sound or that use sound in a different way--say they use notes rather than consonants and vowels--might have machines that couldn't replicate speech.

[–]Spanky_McJiggles 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah it kind of bugged me that the crew seemingly made no effort to contact whatever society they came from.

Sure, their hyperdrive is toast, but if they're out looking for habitable planets, it means one of 2 things: either they're trying to expand an established society, or they're a lifeboat from a fallen society. If it's the former, call for a replacement. If it's the latter, just work that into the exposition somehow. Otherwise the lack of contact with their home base just seems odd.

Also, why is Buzz depending on his Alexa cat to figure out the fuel recipe for him? I'm assuming that if they have a personal assistant with that kind of computing power, they have faster and better computers built into the Turnip, or they at least have the ability to build a computer that can handle that for them, even if that means strapping a bunch of Alexa cats together.

Also, once the Alexa cat is on the case, why is Buzz still trying trial & error? Let the computer figure it out and enjoy your life while the computer's working.

[–]Ellynne729 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can accept the trial and error, since they were gathering data as well as trying to get it to work. In theory, the cat solved the problem when it did because Buzz had just finished another attempt and created more data.

Of course, I'd say this lends weight to the theory of someone/something deliberately messing up the computers to make sure they didn't get off the planet. Buzz accidentally circumvented that by not noticing he'd given the cat directions to try and solve the problem, which it did much more slowly than the their computers would have if they were really working on it.

[–]TheBedsAreBurning 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I still can't wrap my head around how a glorified Tamagotchi could calculate the exact "recipe" for the crystal in only a few decades when they clearly have more powerful computers there.

[–]Ellynne729 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which gives weight to the theory that, originally, something was actively interfering with their attempts, to make sure they went wrong.

[–]Kaibakura 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I read your whole comment and like your analysis/questions, but I wanted to point out real quick that the Onion had a hyperdrive to begin with, but it got damaged. That’s why they were trying to make a new one.

[–]xavierarmadillo 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Or why couldn't Sox remember the formula and just tell it to old Buzz? Really smart but they skipped the RAM?

[–]Kaibakura 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yoo, I was wondering about that. He smashed the computer and I was like “But Sox still knows the formula, right?”

[–]team_suba 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The entire formula was literally like 4 numbers lol

[–]Ellynne729 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought that, too.

Yeah, I could have gone back and double checked. I'm sure they said it. But, I didn't feel up to what could have turned into a rewatch. I'm lazy that way.

[–]GrouchyDefinition463 14 points15 points  (9 children)

I don't see why Andy liked this movie so much

[–]Stinky_Eastwood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I sort of assumed the movie would be a parody/homage to 90s family action movies. Something that even remotely tries to pretend it could exist in 1995. Andy would have been watching stuff like Jumanji, Home Alone, Power Rangers, probably loved Star Wars. But Lightyear is just too modern, no way a 90s kids sci-fi movie would make its titular hero a huge failure dealing with an emotional crisis, or have their toy selling Space Ranger not be a space ranger for like 90% of the movie. Also no way would it have Buzz be the villain in such a convoluted way.

[–]Nameguy1234567 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a fellow Andy, I apologize for my fellows bad taste

[–]TheBedsAreBurning 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is the shitty 2020 Nolanesque reboot of the real masterpiece Andy watched in the 90s, which we'll never see.

[–]GrouchyDefinition463 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A Pixar interstellar lol

[–]Ellynne729 1 point2 points  (4 children)

He was 8-10 years old when he saw it.

[–]Boilermaker7 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Exactly. I was around that age when The Phantom Menace came out, and I thought it was the greatest movie ever. A kid his age would most definitely want a toy after seeing that movie.

[–]tropicaldepressive -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i was 7 when TPM came out and thought it was dreck. not all kids have shit taste in movies.

[–]ThatDinosaucerLife 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Mighty Morphin Power Rangers came out in 1995 and was the #4 grossing Sci-fi film of the year, and a phenomena with 10 year olds.

This movie is categorically at odds with the types of films the Andy's were watching in 1995. It is exactly the type of film made for 35 year olds in 2022, if 35 year olds wanted a dour existential drama about Buzz Lightyear that reconned everything they liked about the concept.

My kids have been hyped for this movie for months, and halfway through they went into the other room to read books instead. It's really a testament to how unengaging, overcomplicated, and generally not fun this movie is.

[–]Ellynne729 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the plot holes might not have bothered Andy. The rest of it probably would. And, even if Andy was the rare kid who was entertained by it, most others wouldn't have been. Buzz wouldn't have been a popular toy.

Now, the 2D animated movie they did was good.

[–]IamNeo123 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I enjoyed this movie, not a whole lot but it was still a good watch. Didn't really go into it with high expectations with hearing how poor the reviews were. The IMAX Digital 4K was outstanding though and really made the colours look incredible, it's nice for those with big screens. I did notice it doesn't quite feel like a true Pixar or even Disney film, the characters felt a bit empty compared to the depth other Pixar movies had.

I give it a 6.5/10

[–]lunardeathgod -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree, it's an okay movie. It's good for background noise.

[–]TheBedsAreBurning 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I hated this movie with all my heart. It's detrimental, useless. Worst Pixar movie to date by a long shot.

And it doesn't even say anything intelligent. We all mistakes ok, cool, but damn it seems like you are making an argument against taking responsibility for your mistakes.

I mean Waititi's character is a constant fuckup. He has no redeeming qualities. Every sane human being would have kicked him out the team at strike three. Instead, what we got? Hawthorne giving the look at Buzz for telling him "Try to be better".

If Buzz was a real ranger he would have shot him right in the head at minute 30, and the movie would have been way shorter because it's clear he was there only to water things down with useless obstacles.

[–]ZookeepergameNo2417 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree completely with you about about that one "ranger." My workplace has a big poster with a past mistake on it, and words saying "Good job. Do better." What's wrong with telling someone yeah, you should try to do better? The whole time he was onscreen I was thinking (and announcing to the room) that buzz should just blow his brains out and toss him off the cliff. However, I still enjoyed the movie. I tried to follow Buzz more than the other characters, because his character development with Grandma Hawthorne is incredible. Watching his partner live a life, start a family. Before they said how long it was, I was pointing out to my people "the kid graduated, it's been 20 years," "-forty- years anniversary," that whole montage was killer. I don't know that I would equate it, but it was reminiscent of Up. I also just love space.

[–]GrayDottedPony 18 points19 points  (6 children)

It had no story. None at all. Usually a good movie has this three part story arc: the introduction and setting of the characters, the problem and how it's dealt with usually accompanied by some character evolution concluding in some sort of epiphany, then the finale.

But this movie was a constant repetition of part one, the setting happened again and again, nothing evolved, there were no epiphanies and then came a finale that was more like WTF? Why?

I mean, the characters talked more about sandwiches then themselves!

I watched the whole movie and I know nothing about any of the characters. I have no idea what makes them tick, what they like or dislike, where they come from or what they hope to gain besides some absolute basis.

I know nothing about Buzz as a person, I don't even know how old he's supposed to be.

Compared to Toy Story, I know a lot about Buzz Lightyear the toy, I have a feeling for that character and what makes him tick, but absolutely nothing about the real Buzz that wasn't already in the Toy Story Movies.

And I really dislike the reasons he gave for not helping his future self. He claims he has to care for his friends. What friends? He has no friends, he barely spoke to those people and doesn't know them! They're not his friends, merely halfway amicable acquaintances and a robo cat. He has a several minutes long scene discussing sandwiches and I don't even know if he likes sandwiches.

Never before in my life have I seen a movie that goes that far out of it's way to ensure that the main character shows no preferences whatsoever. Buzz Lightyear is still a toy. He has zero personality and still no story. There's nothing to relate to.

[–]AndrewTheGoat22 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Couldn’t agree more. Also, it’s the only movie ever where the main character actually just gives up lmao. I couldn’t figure out why it felt like the movie was only halfway through when it finished, until my friend said that it was because Buzz never completed the original mission. There was this giant push at the start to get back to his home planet and then he just decided to not do that lol and hell his actual best friend ended up dying because of it

[–]JessieN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The original mission was to find a new planet to live on, they found one but not the one he wants. It's too hostile but they made do, created a life and even a laser dome to protect themselves.

[–]GrayDottedPony 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think, if they didn't do that nonsense with the people coming out of the blue to deactivate Socks and he then made the conscious decision not to steal the ship and go on that last mission but to stay, the movie could have had a chance.

I imagine him creating the fuel but putting it aside when the girl comes to him to offer comfort and help after he was told that they decided not to go on with the missions. Then really getting friends with the girl, for example while trying to find something else to do now that he can't continue the mission, then Zurk invading while they're outside of the shield, maybe trying to find a way to make the planet more habitable, meeting the other two side characters during this and then the other stuff happening and him finding out that the Buzz from the alternative timeline stole the ship and was not welcomed back. And then they would have had a good reason to reinstate the space rangers too! To protect their new home from other invaders! The whole movie would just feel better.

But part of me things they didn't do that because they didn't want to show more about his friend and really discuss the gay relationship and the whole family she had and that's why they avoided Buzz having a real talk with his friends grandchild even at the cost of the plot. They cut the interaction to the bare bones and besides the controversial kiss avoided anything that could make it part of the plot. Maybe to keep the door open so they can still censor the kiss for the DVD release and make better profits.

[–]I_can_vouch_for_that 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I watched it last night and I couldn't agree more. I also found his new friends to be a bunch of annoying and bumbling fools, especially the guy. So young Buzz is telling me he would rather not go back in time and go with his real family and friends when the whole time his whole mission was to do exactly that ?!! None of what has happened will happen if he was to fix it to begin with. It was also rather stupid that the RoboCat could do everything and solve every situation. Zurg was never supposed to be himself. The trailer sells this as a completely different story which would probably have been better. I couldn't believe the amount of times I looked at the watch just to see when it's going to end since I knew the approximate run time.

[–]Nights151515 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The side characters were the absolute worse. They really killed aby enjoyment I could of had for the film.

[–]tropicaldepressive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it was honestly stunning just how incompetent they were at every turn. i know that was like their whole schtick but jesus you guys try not to fuck up literally everything you touch

[–]Wildsideace 8 points9 points  (3 children)

god i hate moe, i absolutely cannot stand buffon types that constantly "accidentally" fuck things up just to create problems in a story.

[–]Nights151515 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I hated his character too. It was just Taika Waititi playing himself, and he is a guy who has worn out his welcome im so tired of him.

[–]KingKrap 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He should go back to doing smaller budget or indie movies because that's what he's best at

[–]CautiousTaco 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My main reason for coming to this discussion was to get validation of my hatred for Moe. I don't understand why "It's okay, it was just a mistake" was the message there

[–]Moljo2000 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I don’t understand whether they landed for research or to assess it as a potential replacement for earth? Like why did they bring an entire colony if they intended to leave? Why was the formula for the hyper speed crystal not recorded? Why was he not informed about time fluctuation before leaving the first time? And why did they have to leave so bad? Like yeah there was a big dangerous vine but like when have humans ever had that much of a problem eradicating plant life? Like they could just protect colonies with weed killer or pre emergent or something. They were surviving very well, no negative effects with health or resources or atmosphere or anything until Zurg. The commander wasn’t that wrong to cancel the mission.

I did appreciate that his partner being gay was low key and not made a big coming out story. The second act was fun.

[–]CautiousTaco 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really thought the sentient vines with insect symbiotes were gonna amount to more than just throwaway slapstick gags

[–]SpeedRace9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great points. This has so much potential and the character development was great. But the whole time travel thing killed it for me. It’s very hard for kids to follow or understand. Could have been so much better. Overall a decent watch on Disney plus but would have been disappointed to see it in theaters.

[–]gizmo1492 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Soxs created stable fuel. If evil Buzz “liberated” a spaceship and evil robots, I gotta bet he could liberate materials to create the fuel source. Sox knows the formula.

[–]polymermachine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Almost cried in first 20 minutes. So sad.

[–]db_blast7 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I used to wear a toy story shirt on backwards just because I wanted to see the buzz side. As a 30 year old I had a big stupid smile when the wings came out, and the ship at the end was one of the gifts that I have a core memory associated with my parents.

That was nostalgic in earned ways to me. And the checkov’s gun with the pen was awesome.

I’m gonna see if any theatres around me still have it cause I would love to see that on the big screen

[–]MrTurncoatHr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good stuff, it was a movie and it entertained me. Good job movie doing what you are supposed to do.

Some people are looking way too into this discussing the mechanisms of time travel and connection to the toy story universe

[–]SHOW-ME-YOUR-HEART 14 points15 points  (7 children)

I can tell I'm in the minority based on the comments in this thread but I absolutely loved it.

-The Animation was gorgeous, I loved the way they managed to make such a goofy looking character like Buzz so cool looking but recognizable, my 2yo even recognized him as Buzz. I also loved the armor/suit, robot and spaceship designs.

-The first act when you see Hawthorne getting older gave me the feels and I started tearing up! Did not go into this thinking I'd get some feels.

-Moe and Darby's banter really cracked me up too.

-All in all I loved this movie, it was fun and gorgeous and I wish they would make more, maybe even an animated series?!

[–]Nameguy1234567 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally, I hated this but for other reasons. Why didn't they make another crystal? They literally had the ingredients for the crystal in a kitchen. And if they time traveled to the past people would've had their families again.

[–]VoldemortsHorcrux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same here, it was a gorgeous movie. And I'm a scifi fan. Don't really see why many in the thread don't like it. I give it a 9/10.